“We want people to actually sit and read the stories, not just look at the photos, because we spend a lot of time choosing who we want to write and the stories that are written are all really meaningful and there are reasons behind that. And I want to make sure it’s not just scrolled through or swiped really quickly.”
“That we are still in print. This time next year we’ll be in our seventh edition and that we have reached millions of people through our stories in print. And hopefully received emails and letters about how this magazine has changed lives. And be able to give millions of dollars to North Tulsa kids and students and become more of a light to the community.”
Trey Thaxton is a Black entrepreneur with a plan to turn the violent history of Tulsa’s Greenwood district into an inspiring and bright future. Greenwood Ave. is a new magazine he has launched in print, no less, to tell the deeply moving stories of the district’s past, but most importantly to him, the refocus of all that trauma and hurt into a bright and challenging new future.
I spoke with Trey recently and we talked about his plans and how there was no choice, the magazine had to be in print for its longevity and tactile nature. For a man who is only 36-years-old, Trey is a staunch believer in print and believes that the medium is the only one that would work for his very important messages.
So, without further ado, the Mr. Magazine™ interview with Trey Thaxton, CEO and Founder, Greenwood Ave.
But first the sound bites:
On why it took 122 years to create a magazine about Greenwood Ave. and why it’s in print:
The reason I did the magazine; my background is in design, print design, and branding, and that’s why it’s in print for sure. I went to high school in Tulsa and college in Oklahoma. And I had never heard of Greenwood or Black Wall Street until after I graduated college. I felt it was such a tragedy not to have known that history when I had been walking in the shadow of Black Wall Street for over 20 years.
On what he’s offering Black entrepreneurs that that can’t find in other magazines: And other magazines are always focused on the history or trauma or the survivors and what they went through and their fight for justice, which is all necessary and part of the story, obviously, but for me I didn’t see a part that talked about the victory of Greenwood. I think for this magazine, you really get the insight into the victory part.
On how he has diversity, inclusion and equality in his magazine: That’s the heart of the whole magazine and the brand. Our theme is Greenwood Ave. is everywhere, so it’s not just in Tulsa, but around the world. Our goal is centered around those entrepreneurs who helped build Greenwood. So for us that is the essence of why we got started and what we’ll continue to do.
On what he says if someone asks why he’s so adamant about print: We want people to actually sit and read the stories, not just look at the photos, because we spend a lot of time choosing who we want to write and the stories that are written are all really meaningful and there are reasons behind that. And I want to make sure it’s not just scrolled through or swiped really quickly. I want it to sit on people’s desks and coffee tables and is passed around and shared and to really have a more tactile interaction than just a swipe on a screen. I think it means a lot more when you can touch and feel and not just read it, but feel the quality of the magazine as well.
On the cover price of $21: We wanted to make sure it was substantial and that number 21 obviously means a lot to the history of Greenwood in that year and is something we try to continue to highlight. On top of that, when people hear the word magazine, they might think of the news rags or something else on the shelf, but this is really more of a coffee table book. The word magazine is somewhat of a misnomer, but it is something that will last the test of time.
On any challenges he’s faced with this project: Just like with any startup, there will be challenges. A lot being capital or will anyone listen. The Greenwood Cultural Center worked for years telling the stories of survivors and there were a lot of documentaries about to start as I was starting this too, but for me there are a lot of different areas, there’s no one side to every story. For me, nobody was coming from the angle of the future.
On any pleasant surprises since he launched the magazine: The first was a little difficult. A lot of people in there were either friends of mine or acquaintances of people I’d met or one person away from them, but as we’ve gone on with the magazine and began to reach out to people who are outside our network to be a part of this, the response has been an overwhelming yes. They want to be a part of it. And how much the stories resonate with people outside of Tulsa has been amazingly beautiful.
On whether he think the magazine industry is moving in the right direction: I can’t speak to the magazine industry as a whole, but with what happened to George Floyd and that tragedy, there are a lot more people who are searching for ways to be an “ally.” We have a good friend here in town who has the only Black-owned bookstore in Tulsa, and he saw an enormous rise in interest in what they call an “ally box” where people from all over the world were subscribing to books on how to be an ally; how to be an anti-racist.
On why he decided to call the magazine Greenwood Ave. instead of Black Wall Street: I think Black Wall Street is ubiquitous, even Greenwood is becoming more well-known. Greenwood is a very known name. Tulsa was the first Black Wall Street, but there were others. So that’s a bit more ubiquitous. But Greenwood Ave. for me speaks to Tulsa. Being based in Tulsa, we do want to expand outside, but Greenwood Ave. to me just spoke more to Tulsa.
On what he would hope to tell someone in a year that he had accomplished with Greenwood Ave.: That we are still in print. This time next year we’ll be in our seventh edition and that we have reached millions of people through our stories in print. And hopefully received emails and letters about how this magazine has changed lives. And be able to give millions of dollars to North Tulsa kids and students and became more of a light to the community.
On what someone would find him doing if they showed up unannounced at his house: Most likely you’ll find me with my kids. Right after work I cook dinner; I’m busy every night. My wife is also an entrepreneur. She is a real-life super-hero, working with clientele so much as a therapist. I try to make it home every night to put dinner on the table for her and our two children. So every night we try to do something with our kids.
On whether he has a mentor or not: I look at a lot of different names. I’ve been able to take inspiration from everywhere, probably because I’m not a great artists I would say. I’m not sure how I passed any of my art classes in school. (Laughs) The great thing about this is I don’t have to do a lot. The meat is really everyone else, so that is the beauty of what this is. All the stories are really telling the great things that other people are doing. And that’s a great thing for me.
On what keeps him up at night: For this past year I’ve been really working on mindset and trying to figure out my purpose and direction. For entrepreneurship, we always talk about the pivot and I think COVID in 2020 – 2021 was a big pivot for a lot of people as far as their direction. When I started doing design after graduation, in my mind if I could just work for Nike or somewhere in the NBA that would be the pinnacle of my career.
And now the lightly edited transcript of the Mr. Magazine™ interview with Trey Thaxton, CEO and Founder, Greenwood Ave.
Samir Husni: Congratulations on the new magazine. It’s very well done.
Trey Thaxton: Thank you very much.
Samir Husni: Tell me, why did it take 122 years for somebody to create a magazine about Greenwood Ave. and why do it in print?
Trey Thaxton: That’s a great question. I’m not sure why it’s taken 122 years. I know for a fact that there are books on the subject. There have been a lot of documentaries that have come out in the last couple of years on Greenwood Ave and Black Wall Street. As of two years ago there’s a new history center dedicated to the memory of how Greenwood is rising – the new River Rising – in North Tulsa right now.
But the reason I did the magazine; my background is in design, print design, and branding, and that’s why it’s in print for sure. I went to high school in Tulsa and college in Oklahoma. And I had never heard of Greenwood or Black Wall Street until after I graduated college. I felt it was such a tragedy not to have known that history when I had been walking in the shadow of Black Wall Street for over 20 years.
Being a designer and an entrepreneur in Tulsa, I believe there’s no way to hide from the gravitas that the spirit of Greenwood is. I wanted to do something that highlights the history and hopefully no one else will have the excuse of not knowing what’s happening here. And once I started hearing about the massacre, the deaths, the 300 lives that were taken and the 600 businesses that were destroyed, for me, I’m a believer in Jesus and I know that there’s more power in the resurrection that there is the death. We just celebrated Easter and I always want to make sure that we highlight that resurrection, because to me that’s where the inspiration comes from.
I hear so many people now who are inspired by, not only that it was there before 1921, but that they actually rebuilt it bigger and better after the massacre. So to me, highlighting that resurrection; it’s not just those 40 blocks underneath Tulsa, it really is about the spirit that’s reenergizing, black people all over the world who are realizing their ideas, dreams and visions in various, different industries.
Samir Husni: You mentioned that it’s not just about the history; you’re not just reflecting on the past, but you’re projecting the future and making it more of a magazine for all Black entrepreneurs. What are you offering that they can’t find in other magazines?
Trey Thaxton: Greenwood focuses a lot on the trauma side of everything. For instance, our first issue, the author who wrote the first article is actually a descendant of Black Wall Street and Greenwood. His great-grandparents owned shops in Greenwood and he gets asked all the time because he actually runs a company called The Black Wall Street Times based here in Tulsa and Atlanta; he gets asked all the time to write or retell stories about Greenwood.
And other magazines are always focused on the history or trauma or the survivors and what they went through and their fight for justice, which is all necessary and part of the story, obviously, but for me I didn’t see a part that talked about the victory of Greenwood. I think for this magazine, you really get the insight into the victory part.
We’ve only had one to come out so far, but every first quarter is our “everywhere magazines” we’re calling them, where we talk to different people in different cities. Our next issue will be around Black chefs and we have 12 different chefs from around the country: Tulsa, Houston, Florida and New York, to name a few, who submitted recipes. So, it’s not just a magazine, it’s also a cookbook. So we have recipes from five-star restaurants and chefs from around the country and we get to tell their stories and recipes through the lens of food and its history.
The one after that is going to be around Black take-out entrepreneurs where we highlight, not only what they’re doing, but some of their struggles and how they overcame that. So I think that in this magazine we get to talk through what people are doing in different spaces and in different industries, but also talk about how they’re overcoming obstacles in entrepreneurship. Entrepreneurs have always been faced with adversity, so we talk about how they are able to overcome and hopefully will inspire people to continue to follow their own dreams and passions.
Samir Husni: The buzzword now after 2020 is diversity. How are you ensuring that the magazine for Black entrepreneurs will have diversity, inclusion and equality within its pages?
Trey Thaxton: That’s the heart of the whole magazine and the brand. Our theme is Greenwood Ave. is everywhere, so it’s not just in Tulsa, but around the world. Our goal is centered around those entrepreneurs who helped build Greenwood. So for us that is the essence of why we got started and what we’ll continue to do.
And the beauty of it is we get to characterize these different industries, whether it be tech or sports, or food, agriculture, or artists. Every issue will be a different industry, where we’ll talk to different people and show their diversity, not just in race and ethnicity, but in the diaspora as well.
In our first one we have features in London; in our artists issue we’re talking to someone right now in Lagos, Africa, so we’re trying to show diversity across the diaspora, not just in language or area. but also in disciplines as well.
Samir Husni: If someone asks why is this young man, who is also a print designer, so engrossed with print, what do you say?
Trey Thaxton: Funny you should bring that up. We get asked all the time if there will be a digital version? We’ll have digital aspects around it, but for me, I’ll be 36 this year, I grew up in a digital age, but I also grew up with print. I think with social media; it goes away so quick. If we did a digital magazine people might scroll through the pictures and we might get a couple of likes, but for me the print component will last a lot longer.
We want people to actually sit and read the stories, not just look at the photos, because we spend a lot of time choosing who we want to write and the stories that are written are all really meaningful and there are reasons behind that. And I want to make sure it’s not just scrolled through or swiped really quickly.
I want it to sit on people’s desks and coffee tables and is passed around and shared and to really have a more tactile interaction than just a swipe on a screen. I think it means a lot more when you can touch and feel and not just read it, but feel the quality of the magazine as well. We want it to be something people want to have in their space. It can get very easily lost on a phone or swipe or a save on Pinterest, so we want to make sure we have that tactile component.
Samir Husni: It’s not a cheap magazine; the cover price is $21. Tell me about that.
Trey Thaxton: Again, we wanted to make sure it was substantial and that number 21 obviously means a lot to the history of Greenwood in that year and is something we try to continue to highlight. On top of that, when people hear the word magazine, they might think of the news rags or something else on the shelf, but this is really more of a coffee table book. The word magazine is somewhat of a misnomer, but it is something that will last the test of time.
We try to make sure everything is evergreen. So when you pick this magazine up, the way it’s designed, the way the stories are written, the way we put it together; if you look at this in the next five years, it’ll feel just as relevant then as it does today. So it is a more expensive price, but it will last for a long time.
Samir Husni: Has this been easy for you, or have you faced some challenges with this project along the way and if so, how did you overcome them?
Trey Thaxton: Just like with any startup, there will be challenges. A lot being capital or will anyone listen. The Greenwood Cultural Center worked for years telling the stories of survivors and there were a lot of documentaries about to start as I was starting this too, but for me there are a lot of different areas, there’s no one side to every story. For me, nobody was coming from the angle of the future.
The challenges for me were if anyone would listen and care, but I’m a believer of doing something if it’s in your heart and you have a passion for it. With a business, you try to overcome your fears. We actually launched this project with a T-shirt series, it didn’t start as a magazine.
As a brand and logo designer, I would take the original names of some of the shops that were on Greenwood in the ‘20s like Rambo Cab Company and Dreamland Theatre and design the shirts to help tell the story. And during February and Black History Month, we did really well. And I thought, how do I continue the story after that, which lead to a video series where we went in and highlighted entrepreneurs who were carrying on the legacy.
That went over really well and we launched more merch around it and did more videos around it, and then just last year we really wanted to do that print component to help share stories and expand outside of Tulsa. And we wanted to help people get a piece of that history as well.
There are always challenges: how do we do a magazine; how do we fund it; will anyone buy it, and there has been a great response so far. For me, it’s really about the level of excellence. From that movie “Field of Dreams” they say, if you build it they will come, that’s not necessarily true. It sounds great in a movie, but if you build it, you also have to promote it, get the right team around and do it well. So for me, doing things in excellence I think has shone through some of the noise and hopefully that will continue to be the case.
Samir Husni: Have there been any pleasant surprises since you launched the magazine?
Trey Thaxton: The first was a little difficult. A lot of people in there were either friends of mine or acquaintances of people I’d met or one person away from them, but as we’ve gone on with the magazine and began to reach out to people who are outside our network to be a part of this, the response has been an overwhelming yes. They want to be a part of it. And how much the stories resonate with people outside of Tulsa has been amazingly beautiful.
When I started this, not being from Tulsa, I’ve been here since I was 11, but not being born and raised in Tulsa and not being a descendant, I wanted to make sure that I was honoring this properly and not just seeing it as someone coming from the outside and not capitalize on anyone’s trauma. I was trying to keep that up front and I got a great response from the descendants here and from people who had been fighting for justice for a long time. And that has been a really pleasant surprise.
When we first started doing the video series, I got emails from teachers who were showing our videos inside the classroom. That wasn’t something that I’d really thought about happening, but seeing it happen has been truly phenomenal.
We have a new partnership with Russell Westbrook and his team and the History Channel during the centennial. They used our video series as part of their curriculum to get out to kids in Tulsa and around the world. These are things you don’t see coming as you attempt to enlighten people. We were featured in Vogue magazine last year. Our jackets have been in the Wall Street Times and Wall Street journals. That kind of stuff is overwhelmingly amazing.
Samir Husni: After George Floyd and the other life-changing experiences we have had, do you think the magazine industry is moving in the right direction or just paying lip service?
Trey Thaxton: I can’t speak to the magazine industry as a whole, but with what happened to George Floyd and that tragedy, there are a lot more people who are searching for ways to be an “ally.” We have a good friend here in town who has the only Black-owned bookstore in Tulsa, and he saw an enormous rise in interest in what they call an “ally box” where people from all over the world were subscribing to books on how to be an ally; how to be an anti-racist.
So I think the hunger, thirst and curiosity was peaked a lot. I would say a few years later that seems to have dwindled down, but I try not to focus on the industry as a whole, obviously there are other ways to make money, so for me this is really more about purpose and passion versus any dollar amount.
Our parent company is actually called Goldmill Co. and that’s our creative agency that Greenwood Ave. is under, and our whole concept is to create brands that uplift, inspire and shine. So with Greenwood, we’re able to uplift the community by uplifting other Black entrepreneurs, not just in Tulsa, but around the world. We also give 10 percent of our proceeds to North Tulsa building efforts. The Oasis Project, a black-owned grocery store doing food deserts, we support them, along with many other North Tulsa projects. So we’re able to do things like that with our work with Greenwood Ave.
We inspire by shining a light on other entrepreneurs. We also want to have more resources to share and be that inspiration. And we want to give to other groups that are doing similar work. To me that’s what it’s all about.
Samir Husni: Why did you decide on Greenwood Ave. and not Black Wall Street?
Trey Thaxton: I think Black Wall Street is ubiquitous, even Greenwood is becoming more well-known. Greenwood is a very known name. Tulsa was the first Black Wall Street, but there were others. So that’s a bit more ubiquitous. But Greenwood Ave. for me speaks to Tulsa. Being based in Tulsa, we do want to expand outside, but Greenwood Ave. to me just spoke more to Tulsa.
Samir Husni: What would you hope to tell someone you had accomplished with Greenwood Ave. in a year?
Trey Thaxton: That we are still in print. This time next year we’ll be in our seventh edition and that we have reached millions of people through our stories in print. And hopefully received emails and letters about how this magazine has changed lives. And be able to give millions of dollars to North Tulsa kids and students and become more of a light to the community.
Samir Husni: If I show up at your house one evening unannounced, what do I find you doing?
Trey Thaxton: Most likely you’ll find me with my kids. Right after work I cook dinner; I’m busy every night. My wife is also an entrepreneur. She is a real-life super-hero, working with clientele so much as a therapist. I try to make it home every night to put dinner on the table for her and our two children. So every night we try to do something with our kids.
Samir Husni: Being a designer and a print person at a young age, do you have a mentor?
Trey Thaxton: I look at a lot of different names. I’ve been able to take inspiration from everywhere, probably because I’m not a great artists I would say. I’m not sure how I passed any of my art classes in school. (Laughs) The great thing about this is I don’t have to do a lot. The meat is really everyone else, so that is the beauty of what this is. All the stories are really telling the great things that other people are doing. And that’s a great thing for me.
As a designer I look at Pentagram a lot; they’re a huge design consultant that does things in print, branding, video and film. I look at that a lot. I love all that branding work. I try to look at everything, not just one or two people in the print world.
Samir Husni: My final question is: what keeps you up at night?
Trey Thaxton: Literally our son. He’s three-years-old and he wants to be up at night in our bed and not in his own. So that literally keeps me up at night.
For this past year I’ve been really working on mindset and trying to figure out my purpose and direction. For entrepreneurship, we always talk about the pivot and I think COVID in 2020 – 2021 was a big pivot for a lot of people as far as their direction. When I started doing design after graduation, in my mind if I could just work for Nike or somewhere in the NBA that would be the pinnacle of my career.
Before Goldmill, I actually worked the ministry for a while helping launch a church and became a choir director for a while and stepped down after about five years. After that, I prayed about it and knew that I wanted to make sure that everything I touched for the next twenty years had real value. So for me, it’s how can I have more value to my family, our staff’s lives and to the world. And how can I share value with other people.
“I think print is so unique. I’d love to tell you that we’ve grown our readership and we’re bigger than ever, but the truth is our readership has stayed boutique and that has really worked for us. We decided it would be better to serve a loyal, smaller group of people, a specific lane of humans who want to be talked to in a certain way than to try and go spend money everywhere, because shelves are so hard.”
“I think it’s about meeting the audience where they are. And what that looks like to me is not saying that one is harder than the other; it’s just knowing your audience and serving them in the right way.”
From Good Grit magazine to Good Grit Creative Agency, Good Grit the brand is going strong and promises to continue that upward swing. Laura Quick is the founder and CEO of the business and believes that the print version of the brand has the Southern niche in inspirational and aspirational storytelling.
I spoke with Laura recently and we talked about the magazine and how the creative agency ties perfectly into the brand. She is an admirer of Garden & Gun and Southern Living and believes that Good Grit falls easily into the same Southern culture type read with an emphasis on great storytelling.
According to the website, Good Grit is using ink on a page to give a voice to the people and places and things that most closely articulate ‘The Character of the South.’ Now without further ado, the Mr. Magazine™ interview with Laura Quick, founder and CEO, Good Grit.
But first the soundbites:
On how she’s still publishing today, even after the naysayers thought she’d never make it: Well, I’ve always said you have to be a little bit crazy to be in this business. (Laughs) You probably agree with that. The main thing that’s happened over the last eight years is I have learned to be a student of this industry and I had to do that because I didn’t come in with a vast knowledge of it. I really knew nothing about the industry. But I felt there was a hole in the market place.
On some of the challenges she’s faced and how she overcame them: Well, the pandemic was a huge challenge, obviously. And if I’m being honest, I think we were on the cusp of needing to make some hard decisions in 2019 going into 2020. We were already thinking of ways to evolve the brand. To make it more like a brand and less like a magazine.
On what she thinks the role of print is in her brand: I think that print plays the role of telling the story of Good Grit, who we are as a company and our value. How we see our value is that we are damned good storytellers. We love what we do and we’re really good at it. We feel that the unique position that we bring to the marketplace shows that we consider ourselves students of the clients; students of the brands that we get to serve, and I think people see that in print first. And they say why wouldn’t we at least consider hiring them for our branding agency.
On how she wants to celebrate her 10th anniversary: We haven’t thrown any really big parties in a long time, but we plan to. (Laughs) We’re probably do popups in our biggest cities. We’ll do a popup on 30 A. Obviously 30 A has been a huge supporter of our brands since the very beginning. We have a lot of loyal subscribers there and a lot of loyal partnerships there. So doing something really cool down on 30 A; doing something big in Birmingham as our flagship, where we started and were founded. I think we’ll do something in Atlanta as we have, and possibly Nashville.
On whether it’s easier to tell a story digitally or in print: I think it’s about meeting the audience where they are. And what that looks like to me is not saying that one is harder than the other; it’s just knowing your audience and serving them in the right way.
On letting go of things now that she has people working for her: I’m proud to say that I have let go and what that looks like is getting to a place of profitability where you can hire great talent and trust them. We’re an all-female core team at Good Grit and our initiative is that every female on our core leadership team makes over six figures by 2025. And we are 80 percent of the way there. When you can invest in great people with high capacities and who believe what you believe, you can do anything. I’m convinced of it.
On whether diversity and inclusion is a part of her brand: We didn’t set out to be an all-women’s team, but it happened over time. And we have great chemistry. And we have over 200 freelancers that are very diverse. We have men and women, people of all races and color.
On anything she’d like to add: This is really hard work and it’s a very difficult business. But it is not impossible. I believe there are still meaningful jobs to be had. I do think you have to be well-rounded. Once every two or three months I have somebody reach out to me if I can go to lunch or for coffee to talk about a magazine they want to start. And I reserve 30 minutes per week for just that. Anyone that asks me to coffee or lunch, I’ll go with them because I think about the Sid Evans’ and the Marshall Mckinney’s and the Kristen Paine’s of the world who would take my calls and pull me back off a cliff. (Laughs)
On what keeps her up at night: I sleep pretty good. (Laughs) There’s not really one thing. I think if I’m ever stirring and don’t have peace, I can typically point back to not living within the habits that really work and keep me on track. Because if you’re staying up at night it means that you’re probably not on track or someone you know or work with.
And now the lightly edited transcript of the Mr. Magazine™ interview with Laura Quick, founder and CEO of Good Grit.
Samir Husni: We haven’t talked since 2016. And the first year after you published, people were saying there was no way you could make it, you’re crazy, etc. Now, eight years later and through a pandemic, you’re still publishing. What gives? How are you still doing it?
Laura Quick: Well, I’ve always said you have to be a little bit crazy to be in this business. (Laughs) You probably agree with that. The main thing that’s happened over the last eight years is I have learned to be a student of this industry and I had to do that because I didn’t come in with a vast knowledge of it. I really knew nothing about the industry. But I felt there was a hole in the market place.
I think over the years the reason that we’ve survived has been primarily because we’ve stayed and maintained our ability to be nimble. But we’ve also been compelled to evolve, to give people what they want, not what we think they want. So, we’ve stepped a little further into that hole that we thought existed and people have resonated with that.
I mean, we know that Garden & Gun is so good at helping us with aspirations, where we aspire to go. And Southern Living has done a great job of being a constant of ‘this is the place where you’re learning about the best recipes you need to be making.’ From Grandma’s Church Cookbook to what they see as quintessential Southern. And we felt like there was a progressive lane for Southern culture and we could really own inspirational storytelling. How do we tell a story that can inspire you to know that if you have failed or fallen down, you can get back up and you can come out of this thing with something good.
And that’s what we’ve been focusing on and we still feel like we don’t have it quite where we want it to be. When I talked with you before, I was so hell-bent that I wasn’t going to have any coffee on the cover. It was going to be this clean, beautiful cover with great imagery. I was so convinced that we wouldn’t be sponsored content, which is so laughable now because there is absolutely no way to survive this industry in my opinion without doing some creative, sponsored content. You can live inside of your brand and do it really well and invite clients and partnerships into that. And that’s what we’ve done.
So those are the big changes. I have implemented sponsored content and I definitely have copy on my covers. (Laughs)
Samir Husni: If you look at the status of magazines today, very few new magazines are launched like they used to be. Almost everything that’s launched is like a bookazine, with a $15 cover price. Yet in our Southern region, you gave the examples of Garden & Gun and Southern Living, and of course, there’s Hoffman Media. So there’s quite a bit of Southern magazines still being published on a regular basis. What are some of the challenges you’ve faced and how did you overcome them?
Laura Quick: Well, the pandemic was a huge challenge, obviously. And if I’m being honest, I think we were on the cusp of needing to make some hard decisions in 2019 going into 2020. We were already thinking of ways to evolve the brand. To make it more like a brand and less like a magazine.
So how do we become more of a household name than just a magazine that publishes six times per year? We had already made the decision prior to the pandemic that we would go from six issues to four issues. That felt logical to us; it felt easy; it felt seasonal; which we really loved to speak to our community in a seasonal way, because we want to be a tastemaker in that inspirational lane.
We walked into 2020 knowing we were going to four issues, had already made that announcement, had already presold half the year, and then the pandemic hit. Every one of them, not some, but every single advertising partner that we had said they were out. That wanted to leave. They were calling and wanted to pull.
Something we did in that moment as a proactive measure, knowing that was coming, was we made a decision to tell every sponsor and advertiser that we had to not pay us, but don’t pull out, to stay. Number one, the only way you make it in this business is by forging incredible relationships with partners and advertisers that believe similarly to you. And there are lots of them out there who want to tell a great story and have great stories to tell that we’ve been able to do and they have partnered with us in a purely advertising way.
We went to them proactively and said please don’t pull out, just don’t pay. Stay and you don’t have to pay if you don’t have the money. We understand. Most of our advertising partners are tourism-driven, so they get paid because of heads and beds tax. If they don’t have heads and beds in hotel rooms, then they don’t have money to advertise with.
And it was tricky. We had intentional conversations with every advertiser on what is the message? Are you curating a message; do you have one; do you need help with one? How can we help you tell the story of what is true in your area; what are the laws where you are; what are the mandates? How can people still come to your city or your town and enjoy it in a safe way? So we went to work. That was our main job during that season.
The interesting thing that happened in 2019 was we had already made the decision to launch a storytelling, branding, and creative agency that would go along with what we were doing. We have had this expertise that we’ve proven. We’ve definitely had more than 10,000 hours of telling powerful stories and we thought there was a lane in that. We did these incredible stories in the magazine for advertising partners and we looked at their branding and marketing and see the opportunity to take the momentum they had to the next level.
So we launched a creative agency in 2019. My first paying client was Southern Living, they hired us. One of my mentors is was the vice president for Southern Living on partnerships and sponsorships and she became my first client. And she hired us to do something really cool.
In March 2020 when the pandemic hit, the creative agency had already outgrown the magazine in six months. And so we had momentum. I think in those moments, people believed that our message mattered more than ever and they were more likely to spend marketing dollars because of a sense of urgency that they had to communicate with their audience whoever they were.
And this happened: the creative agency was going to the stars, which was awesome and all of our partners deeply valued the fact that we were proactive when it was to support them. We were saying we’ll put skin in the game; don’t pull out; create consistency; just don’t pay us. And they all paid; they all ended up paying. And none of them left. We retained 100 percent of our advertisers during that time.
I feel like the pandemic did act somewhat as a driver and gave us some momentum to rethink everything we were doing, tear down anything that wasn’t working and rebuild it in a way that would better support ad dollars and sponsorships and what those look like. In short, I believe that’s why we survived the pandemic, but it was also a jump off point for us. And we’re so grateful.
Samir Husni: What role does print play in the scheme of things concerning your brand?
Laura Quick: I think print is so unique. I’d love to tell you that we’ve grown our readership and we’re bigger than ever, but the truth is our readership has stayed boutique and that has really worked for us. We decided it would be better to serve a loyal, smaller group of people, a specific lane of humans who want to be talked to in a certain way than to try and go spend money everywhere, because shelves are so hard. You’re not making money, you’re losing money. I don’t know anyone in the business that I have a relationship with that’s just killing them on shelves.
The truth is that the group of people we serve is under 20,000 copies. We have strategic partnerships with about 30 high-end hotels around the South and we have a really good subscriber base. The thing that we’ve learned is that they love print. And as long as it’s not a bad guy on my P&L, we’ll stay in print.
When I say we own a creative agency called Good Grit Agency and people ask, what, the magazine, it’s great. Just the fact that people know our name is a huge deal and I am so grateful. It is the number one marketing collateral that we have and when I say we are expert storytellers, we have eight years of data in print to prove that. Everybody still wants to be in print. If you have a business or a nonprofit, or you have something you’re launching, whatever the case may be, getting a print story is still a really big deal. And now maybe more than ever because that slice of real estate is getting smaller and smaller, not just with Good Grit, but with everyone.
I think that print plays the role of telling the story of Good Grit, who we are as a company and our value. How we see our value is that we are damned good storytellers. We love what we do and we’re really good at it. We feel that the unique position that we bring to the marketplace shows that we consider ourselves students of the clients; students of the brands that we get to serve, and I think people see that in print first. And they say why wouldn’t we at least consider hiring them for our branding agency.
Samir Husni: How do you want to celebrate your 10th anniversary?
Laura Quick: We haven’t thrown any really big parties in a long time, but we plan to. (Laughs) We’re probably do popups in our biggest cities. We’ll do a popup on 30 A. Obviously 30 A has been a huge supporter of our brands since the very beginning. We have a lot of loyal subscribers there and a lot of loyal partnerships there. So doing something really cool down on 30 A; doing something big in Birmingham as our flagship, where we started and were founded. I think we’ll do something in Atlanta as we have, and possibly Nashville. We have five big date markets, but those are our top four.
So we’ll do some popups there and probably boutique dinners. And really invite subscribers to that. We do have a lot of people who buy off the shelves too, but who usually find out it’s cheaper to subscribe, but there’s something about standing in front of magazines in a grocery store or a bookstore and choosing one resonates with a lot of people. We want to invite all of those people to come and celebrate telling the stories.
We’re also considering doing an awards ceremony there where we talk about contributors. We are nothing without the people who share their gifts with us: the writers, photographers; the cinematographers, and social influencers that really believe in our brand. We’re already talking about how we want to celebrate 10 years and honestly, I can’t believe it will happen. And I really do believe it will happen and it will happen with us having a print publication still.
Samir Husni: Is it easier to be a storyteller on the digital sphere or the print sphere?
Laura Quick: That’s a great question. I think they’re different. How you tell a story digitally is so dynamically unique from how you tell one in print. It’s odd, but with print you have someone who says, hey, I want to take this journey with you and I’m willing to invest the time, I’m willing to take time to sit down with you and read a 12 or 13 hundred word story.
What we know to be true with digital is we have about nine seconds at the most to grab someone’s attention. I think from a digital perspective, stories are different and they’re shorter. You have someone who is saying to you because of the platform you’re meeting them on that may not have as much time as they might on the swing on their porch.
I think it’s about meeting the audience where they are. And what that looks like to me is not saying that one is harder than the other; it’s just knowing your audience and serving them in the right way.
Samir Husni: When you first started you did everything at the magazine; you were that founder, the editor, etc. Today you have people working for you; you have an editor in chief. How does it feel to let go a little bit? Or have you let go?
Laura Quick: I’m proud to say that I have let go and what that looks like is getting to a place of profitability where you can hire great talent and trust them. We’re an all-female core team at Good Grit and our initiative is that every female on our core leadership team makes over six figures by 2025. And we are 80 percent of the way there. When you can invest in great people with high capacities and who believe what you believe, you can do anything. I’m convinced of it.
I would put my team up against anyone. They’re the most impactful and incredible humans that I’ve ever met and worked with. If I’m being perfectly honest, I don’t touch the magazine, those women run it and I focus solely on the creative agency and forging relationships with current partners and future partners. We don’t even want to do work on the agency side that wouldn’t be a good fit for the magazine. We’re looking for people who equally believe what we believe to do work with.
My confession is that the greatest gift that I’ve ever been given was the ability to let go and let people who are even better at it than I am take the lead and go with it. And they have far surpassed any work that I have ever done on my own.
I have a mentor who always said my ceiling is another woman’s floor. I always say that. My goal for these women is that in the next several years they’re making more money than they could make anywhere else and they don’t want to leave. And that they feel like they’re impactful and that we are busting through some glass ceilings that exist so that our ceilings may be other women’s floors eventually.
Samir Husni: Is diversity and inclusion a part of the tapestry of your brand?
Laura Quick: We didn’t set out to be an all-women’s team, but it happened over time. And we have great chemistry. And we have over 200 freelancers that are very diverse. We have men and women, people of all races and color.
One of the big initiatives we made in 2019 that we’re really proud of was to diversify our content. It’s really easy to be a white person who makes content about other white people because they are in your sphere. And so it takes some intentionality to really think about how we diversify; how do we really represent the South?
We’re proud to say that 60 percent of our content, creatives and contributors are diverse. They are not white. It was a big deal for us to do that and it took a lot of hard work because it’s just easier to do business and think about things through the lens in which you see the world. It takes extra effort to be intentional and invite other people into share how they see the world, and to say this is cool, pitch content into us. We want to do that type of work.
And that has been a big deal and a big accomplishment and I’m really proud of our team for making that an initiative and then doing it.
Samir Husni: Is there anything you’d like to add?
Laura Quick: This is really hard work and it’s a very difficult business. But it is not impossible. I believe there are still meaningful jobs to be had. I do think you have to be well-rounded. Once every two or three months I have somebody reach out to me if I can go to lunch or for coffee to talk about a magazine they want to start. And I reserve 30 minutes per week for just that. Anyone that asks me to coffee or lunch, I’ll go with them because I think about the Sid Evans’ and the Marshall Mckinney’s and the Kristen Paine’s of the world who would take my calls and pull me back off a cliff. (Laughs)
I think about those people and try to be really generous with my time. And when I sit down with people who want to get into the magazine industry, whether it be for career’s sake or they want to start one themselves, I try to be as brutally honest as I can because I wish someone would have done that with me even though I was crazy and didn’t ask anyone.
But I always admire people who are willing to ask questions and I’m as brutally honest as I can be in telling them that this is really freaking hard. (Laughs) And there is a reason why not very many people make it. But it can be done. I just believe you have to have a niche. The more niche you can be, the better.
And we’re constantly thinking about the filters in which we’re building content in and making sure it makes sense because lifestyle is really hard. It’ a hard lane to own. It isn’t as niche as you’d like it to be. We try and niche it down, with progressive Southern culture and storytelling being two of the ways that we do that. We’re willing to talk about things that not everyone who would say they’re Southern would be willing to talk about.
So, I like to have those candid conversations. I would say to anyone thinking about starting a magazine, you need to know really why the hell you want to do it and be willing to give a big portion of your life for it. And that’s most entrepreneurship. I would say that about almost any business. Now I own three businesses and between my husband and I think we own 15 or something. So, we’re a very entrepreneurial family. But this is hard work. I gave up a lot pf things for this brand. A lot of time with my son; a lot of money I could have been making working for someone else. I was almost living in my car the first two years. It was scary.
Samir Husni: My typical last question, what keeps you up at night?
Laura Quick: I sleep pretty good. (Laughs) There’s not really one thing. I think if I’m ever stirring and don’t have peace, I can typically point back to not living within the habits that really work and keep me on track. Because if you’re staying up at night it means that you’re probably not on track or someone you know or work with.
I’ll be 40 in a couple of months and I have learned is that you have to find habits and rituals that work for you and you have to live within them. Truly, the only thing you can control is yourself. And if you model great behavior as a leader, people with usually go with you if they’re the right people.
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