Taser victim at Vancouver airport threatened me, Mountie testifies

 

 
 
 
 
RCMP Consta. Gerry Rundel leaves the Braidwood Inquiry into the 2007 tasering death of Robert Dziekanski.  Rundel testified the incident unfolded very fast.
 
 

RCMP Consta. Gerry Rundel leaves the Braidwood Inquiry into the 2007 tasering death of Robert Dziekanski. Rundel testified the incident unfolded very fast.

Photograph by: Ian Smith, Vancouver Sun

VANCOUVER — Police were justified in using a Taser stun gun on a Polish immigrant in 2007 because the man was agitated, failed to obey police commands and caused police to fear for their safety, an RCMP officer told the Braidwood inquiry Monday.

RCMP Const. Gerry Rundel, who had been an RCMP officer for only two years when the man was Tasered at Vancouver International Airport said the fact that Robert Dziekanski spoke no English was not a factor in his failure to obey police commands.

He recalled that seconds after police arrived on the scene — at the exit to the international arrivals area at the airport — Dziekanski tossed a chair against a glass wall and then bent down and motioned toward his luggage.

Rundel recalled RCMP Corp. Benjamin (Monty) Robinson told Dziekanski “No,” in an authoritative voice, holding out the palm of his hand to signal to the Polish man that he could not go into his luggage.

“Mr. Dziekanski clearly understood the command,” the witness told the inquiry, which is probing Dziekanski’s death and the use of Tasers in B.C.

Dziekanski then “disobeyed Cpl. Robinson by flipping up his hands and leaving,” Rundel said.

“My interpretation of that was, ‘To hell with you guys — I’m out of here,’” he said.

“I didn’t see it myself, but he grabbed a metal object, later determined to be a stapler. He had a firm grasp of it.”

Rundel said Dziekanski assumed a combative pose, swinging the stapler in front of his body and balling his hands into fists at chest-level, then moved his left foot forward as if preparing to fight.

The inquiry was told earlier that once the four officers surrounded him, Dziekanski’s final words, spoken in Polish, were: “Leave me alone! Are you out of your mind? Why?”

That’s when Const. Kwesi Millington deployed the Taser, Rundel said.

Dziekanski yelled, indicating he was feeling the Taser shock but did not fall, the witness recalled.

“Hit him again,” Robinson told Millington, meaning deploy the stun gun again, Rundel said.

After the second shock, Dziekanski dropped the stapler and fell to the ground.

Rundel said he thought Dziekanski was Tasered twice, but the inquiry has heard the Taser was deployed five times.

Rundel and Const. Bill Bentley then moved in to handcuff Dziekanski. They had a prolonged struggle handcuffing his hands behind his back and Rundel had to put his weight on Dziekanski’s back and hold down the man’s legs down.

“Once Mr. Dziekanski was handcuffed there was still a kicking motion for five or 10 seconds,” before he stopped resisting, Rundel said. Minutes later, he said, Dziekanski was snoring, indicating he was unconscious.

Dziekanski died at the scene.

When a video showing his final moments was shown in the courtroom Monday, Dziekanski’s mother began crying. She left court sobbing.

Patrick McGowan, a lawyer for inquiry commissioner Thomas Braidwood, asked Rundel if he interpreted Dziekanski’s movements on the ground and the noises he was making as evidence of resistance.

“Yes,” Rundel replied.

“Did you consider it might have something to do with him being Tasered again?” “No,” Rundel replied.

Dziekanski, 40, had no drugs or alcohol in his system that night. He had left Poland 24 hours earlier and had spent about 10 hours in the airport, unable to find his mother who had come to meet him.

He had never been on a plane before and came to Canada to live with his mother, who had left the airport to return home to Kamloops after being told by officials that her son could not be located.

Several people called 911 after the exhausted man became agitated and began acting bizarrely.

Rundel recalled he and his three colleagues were having lunch together at the airport RCMP detachment when the dispatcher called out that there was an intoxicated non-white male throwing around luggage at the airport. (He turned out to be neither intoxicated nor non-white.)

The officers got into separate police cars and drove the one-minute distance to the airport, arriving seconds apart. On the way, the dispatcher said “the man now is throwing chairs against a glass window.”

Rundel recalled that when he got to the international arrivals area, Dziekanski was looking very unkempt and his hair was matted, looking like he had been sweating.

“He had a wide-eyed glaze,” he recalled, adding he thought Dziekanski was intoxicated, on drugs or in some other kind of distress.

He said a woman at the airport had said the man did not speak English, he did not pass that on to his colleagues. He said things just happened so fast.

He said Bentley greeted Dziekanski with a friendly, “Hi, how you doing?” But seconds later Dziekanski had been Tasered and was writhing on the floor.

The officer continues his testimony today. The three other RCMP officers at the scene will follow Rundel.

Transcripts of each day’s testimony are posted online at: www.braidwoodinquiry.ca

nhall@vancouversun.com

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
RCMP Consta. Gerry Rundel leaves the Braidwood Inquiry into the 2007 tasering death of Robert Dziekanski.  Rundel testified the incident unfolded very fast.
 

RCMP Consta. Gerry Rundel leaves the Braidwood Inquiry into the 2007 tasering death of Robert Dziekanski. Rundel testified the incident unfolded very fast.

Photograph by: Ian Smith, Vancouver Sun

 
RCMP Consta. Gerry Rundel leaves the Braidwood Inquiry into the 2007 tasering death of Robert Dziekanski.  Rundel testified the incident unfolded very fast.
Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski is seen in the arrivals area of the Vancouver airport in this video footage October 14, 2007.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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To "Bill"
 
February 24, 2009 - 6:50 PM
 
 

Bill.....give me a break.....you are so full of BS if you are telling me that should you need police in a 9-1-1 situation that you would seriously consider NOT calling the RCMP (should you live in their jurisdiction).....?????  Come on, we all know that's a load of crap!  You have clearly never needed the police in an emergency situation and I speak from experience.

Furthermore, if you live in a municipality outside of an RCMP jurisdiction then how would you know what their response time is?  That's right.....YOU DON"T.  i can tell you from fact that VPD will take up to 3 days to respond to a priority 3 or 4 call...RCMP....even in Surrey......the same day unless unforseen circumstances (such as a shooting) and a call will be made to the complainant.  As far as the types of calls they won't attend...how bout the calls made into the 9-1-1 line, that's right 9-1-1 line regarding the neighbours dog shi!!'ing on their lawn.  

Given the low numbers of applicants for ALL municipal police forces, getting rid of the RCMP and creating a provincial police force is just a pipe dream.....you wouldn't have enough applicants and the people that would likely apply?  Those same applicants who were turned down by four other police forces including the RCMP.  

As for Russ BRAK....he's pretty vocal on here.....he must a) not have a job and b) likely is facing criminal charges himself.  LOL.

Finally, thank you RCMP for all that you help us with...you helped me in my need and you went far far above and beyond.  Not only were you professional, caring and dedicated...but you helped me through a very difficult time and you followed up with me after the fact.  I for one will be forever grateful to you all.

   
 
harold
 
February 24, 2009 - 2:44 PM
 
 Just came from the airport. Didn't see anyone tazered but the arrogance the RCMP walk around with is something to see.
   
 
Stan D
 
February 24, 2009 - 11:45 AM
 
 

Why didn't the crowd of onlookers resolve the issue of Mr. Dziekanski's violent behaviour before the police showed up? I think a couple of people did try, but wait, when they approached him they got scared, probably felt "threatened" and backed away. Good choice. So the police were called. Believe it or not, police are also human beings filled with the same emotions, including fear, that the rest of the crowd felt. Despite this feeling of "fear" when others back away as demonstrated by the audience, the police continue to do their job in the face of fear. So why is it so different then when a police officer feels fear? All of the tools in the world don't make the feeling of fear magically disappear!

   
 
Darren
 
February 24, 2009 - 11:40 AM
 
 Grasp of a stapler is grounds to taser or shoot a person!!!! Wow, If this sets a precedent, then all one has to do is let a cop hold your stapler and the public is justified to take matters into their own hands. I hope these police officers girlfriends or wives don't catch these officers doing any paperwork with staplers....or it will be their turn...but they probably won't be shot 5 times for it. Shame, shame, shame!!
   
 
ergr
 
February 24, 2009 - 11:38 AM
 
 canada needs more hooks on walls. if you physically attacked people for 8 hours 4-5 days a week for a year, you woulnt want to have to lift a muscle either.
   
 
Wes
 
February 24, 2009 - 10:49 AM
 
 This situation is uncomprehensible. 4 fit police officers armed with guns and tazers against 1 distraught apparently out of shape man with a stapler. I witnessed similar situation in a Vancouver hotel lobby several years ago where a man went berzerk throwing and smashing furniture. 2 Vancouver police officers and 2 paramedics stood by and let him wear himself out until they could easily subdue him. If as is stated the officers acted within established guidlines, then those that created those guidelines should be held responsible and punished. Also I believe the officers on site used very bad judgement, overreacting causing a very unnecessary death. As a whole I have very little faith in our overall justice and penal system.
   
 
MR T
 
February 24, 2009 - 9:34 AM
 
 

" Len

Over-equipped & under-trained"

Over-equipped & under-Brained

   
 
14yo
 
February 24, 2009 - 9:31 AM
 
 This Mountie felt threatened???? Sheese....3 other ARMED Mounties along side him and HE FELT THREATENED???? Because he "..spoke no English was not a factor in his failure to obey police commands"???? Sheese...... I think you need to find a less stressful dayjob....like DAYCARE!? or maybe educate yourself to become a PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER?? I am sure the children will appreciate your way of thinking...
   
 
Andy
 
February 24, 2009 - 9:21 AM
 
 ... he grabbed a metal object, later determined to be a stapler. He had a firm grasp of it.” --- this is incredible, it goes to show you how absolutely out of touch the RCMP really are when it comes to 'explaining' the events that led to the killing of this man. They go on as if they really believe they acted accordingly, shame on you all, RCMP. And for those who write long diatribes defending this absolutely horrendous misuse of force, you have got to be kidding! We wouldn't let our children get away with the kind of crap these officers are spinning. It is clear these guys will not suffer any consequences for killing this guy, however they know in their hearts that 'this time' business as usual" ended up tragically wrong, and hopefully they won't do it again. For the many other police who abuse people, please stop - just do your jobs without exercising over the top violence on people. We want you to protect us and deal with the bad guys... just figure out who is who --- in this case you made a hasty, bad decision ---- own up to it for heavens sake.
   
 
Charlotte
 
February 24, 2009 - 9:17 AM
 
 I blame the airport security and those that informed the police of setting off this whole horrible event. BUT the police are supposed to form their own opinions before reacting to obviously false information. If these officers are not charged in Robert's death then we have no such thing as justice in this country. Thank heavens we have captured video evidence of what happened or this would have been swept under the carpet. No way should the RCMP or any other police force be in charge of investigating themselves. Robert did not need to be hurt never mind killed. The staff at the airport during those 10 hours should be jointly charged with the RCMP in his death.
   
 
John
 
February 24, 2009 - 9:09 AM
 
 "Dziekanski then “disobeyed Cpl. Robinson by flipping up his hands and leaving,” Rundel said." And that, my dear friends, is the ONLY reason they deployed the Taser. He DARED to "disobey" an officer. And for THAT and THAT REASON ALONE, he was Tasered. So be very very careful before you question an officer about ANYTHING because they feel justified in using their weapon against you whenever they feel you disobey. Heavens, you BETTER sign that traffic ticket when he says so or ZAP! And THAT is why I support strict guidelines around when Tasers should be used; one step below deadly force should be the only allowable/acceptable reason. This was CLEARLY an abuse and utilized strictly because it was too easy to use it. Zap, splat, and put 'im on the mat. That was (and still is?) the attitude then and it's only because of the blatant video evidence that we get to see it for ourselves. Gung-ho officers who had their doughnut break interrupted.... HARDLY an excuse to use such excessive force on someone for ANY reason. Feared for their safety my eye! He was still in a SECURE area after departing from an aircraft that had gone through SECURITY CHECKS. It is as obvious as the nose on your face to anyone with an ounce of brains that what was needed here was negotiation and compassion, not a quick-and-dirty little Tasering.
   
 
Nathan
 
February 24, 2009 - 9:05 AM
 
 Fine. Justified for one taser. Okay. Justified for two tasers, a little excessive, but I'll let it go. But how can they be justified for tasering someone 5 times. I don't get it.
   
 
Michael
 
February 24, 2009 - 9:03 AM
 
 Oh yes. Four police officers with tasers v. one person with a stapler. It's so easy to understand how this officer 'feared for his safety'. It's amazing how easy it is to justify the unjustifiable with the correct words.
   
 
Bob
 
February 24, 2009 - 8:37 AM
 
 CAL, give me a break. 4 huge RCMP "officers" surrounding a guy with a stapler? All you had to do was offer him a chair and a glass of water. Maybe try hospitality? They made almost NO effort on diffusing the situation. The ESCALATED the situation and he died because of their errors. This is the best we can get from the RCMP? They should be behind a desk and not trusted to be infront of the public.
   
 
mike
 
February 24, 2009 - 8:34 AM
 
 I dont even remotely believe this concocted story. Even if true, no one was in danger and no use of force was ever justified, let alone police intervention at all. They knew or ought to have known the victim was not drunk, on drugs, or armed. Back off, and let the man calm down. Idiots. This is manslaughter.
   
 
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