Wikipedia:Simple talk

People are copying JavaScript from EN Wikipedia. Is it okay? Cactus ^{spiky ouch} 12:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

For user scripts and the like? No reason why not. All content on En-wiki is covered by CC-BY-SA, that includes script. If it's malicious, then that's a problem. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Without attribution? Cactus ^{spiky ouch} 06:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

hmm? Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 12:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

What sort of thing are we talking about? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Redwarn Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 02:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

there was one more, but I forgot Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 02:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

cant you just import the script from enwiki? In some cases it's possible, you'd use something like importScript('W:User:RedWarn/.js'); //Linkback: W:User:RedWarn/.js Added by Script installer.

Someone slightly more adept at redwarn may be able to tell if this works. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

hmm, okay Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 08:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

These pages are a mess, mainly caused by not being clear about their historical sequence. Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Comment: discussion at Talk:Herakles Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 11:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello all, Good Aruicles, and Very Good Aricles were a nice idea at the time. They are flags that say that a given article has a better quality than other articles. There's just one problen though: Except for me, no one has been promoting these articles, and if they sit in the queue for too long, it is clear that the proposers lose interest. If one month from now (mid August), there are no other people promoting, I propose we do away with the idea. Our community is small already, and getting an article to meet GA or VGA criteria is a huge effort. What do other people think? Eptalon (talk) 08:36, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm more than happy to go through any I haven't commented on and give them a promote/fail if there's a consensus. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

The GA/VGA process has been slow for a long time, but I think it's good to keep it around. It's a nice way to motivate people to make pages that stand out in quality (I know that the thought of getting a page to 'Good Article' status has at least made me put my best work into translating & writing, I wouldn't like to speak for anyone else).

Maybe we should change the process to be more similar to how English wiki does it? The biggest obstacle I've noticed is simply getting enough users to vote for an article to have a consensus. Having one user do a much more involved review might help with that - right now, it takes months for something to pass, even if it has a clear consensus given by a small number of editors. 🤘🤘 DovahFRD (talk) 15:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I also believe a system of fewer, more in-depth reviews would do good in helping get more GA/VGA's through. LV^✉✎ 15:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I will always be supportive of the GA/VGA process. I think the idea of elevating articles to VGA statuses and having them on the front page is essential for Simple Wiki. I'd be happy to promote articles :) Is there like a guideline/instructions on how to do so or is promoting articles an admin-only thing? I also think that even if you voted to support a promotion, you could still promote the article given the little active users we have on this project. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I recently confirmed that it isn't an admin activity and can be done by anyone. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

My reading of it: If you (as an established editor) thin that there is enough support for promoting it, and that there are no major issues left to solve, then you can promote the article. I read "enough support" as 3 supporting votes, and ideally no oppose votes by established editors. Promoting entails updating the tag from pga/pvga to ga/vga, and updating the listing. In the case of VGAs, a blurb to appear on the main page needs to be there as well. Eptalon (talk) 15:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Perfect. I already promoted one article. Could I also promote an article that I nominated, in this case Christopher Plummer? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

If you judge it the same way as you would judge another article, I honestly don't see why not. Oh,I forgot: after promoting or denoting, you should also write a message in Simple Talk... Eptalon (talk) 06:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Gotcha. Would the message on Simple Talk basically be: "I have recently promoted x article to good article status"? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Likely yes, or something similar Eptalon (talk) 06:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello all, there were elections in the UK a few days back, and Sunak's party lost. There are likely many people who do ont agree with his policies or actions. I have therefore semi-protected the page, for two weeks. Eptalon (talk) 15:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

seems reasonable Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 08:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sulphate&oldid=9636526

The current version is dead wrong.--Please have it either QD, or put up for Delete discussion. ASAP.--Alternatively, have the page remain a laughing stock (on the Wikipedia that Jimbo Wales created).--The ball is in your court (and i might not be adding to this thread). 2001:2020:357:A2F3:E82C:920C:6BD0:F92E (talk) 22:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC) / 2001:2020:357:A2F3:C5A3:205D:48AE:EE45 (talk) 22:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@2001:2020:357:A2F3:E82C:920C:6BD0:F92E: Exactly which QD criteria does it meet? "I don't like the content" isn't one. You should review Deletion is not cleanup rule on Wikipedia. You are proving to be a very severe and on-going WP:CIR concern. Operator873 ^connect 22:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Note that it is "your" version of the page, that I have mentioned specifically.--A third wikipedia-user has not been militant about "his" version that has been shot-down (and that does not have consensus).--I have pointed out which versions are dead wrong (and the community has been advised to get the wheels in motion (ASAP), for Delete of the article , if the current version is going to stand).--This Master class is a freebie (and i might not be adding to this thread).--Other master classes might be available from other "purveyors". 2001:2020:357:A2F3:C5A3:205D:48AE:EE45 (talk) 22:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, it's my version of the page... but I didn't write it. I agreed with the edit from another administrator and restored it. You know what that's called? Consensus. YOU do not determine the content of the encyclopedia. Inaccuracy or problems on a page are not criteria for deletion. Finally, you hold no authority to determine what gets "shot down" and what remains. I'll remind you that you're on final warning for conduct and behavior. :) Operator873 ^connect 22:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have no problem with you adding parts that are dead wrong.--(I am not going to go back and see if you did that twice, or only once.)--I have made my recommendation to the community (and i might not be adding to this thread).--About this thread, an option might be "Humble pie". Someone else will likely come along and fill in the details. Bye, 2001:2020:357:A2F3:C5A3:205D:48AE:EE45 (talk) 23:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I don't understand what you want - you ask others to nominate for deletion. If you believe an article either needs fixing or deletion, you should be the change you need. See this essay on it on enwiki - W:WP:SOFIXIT. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Many languages of Wikipedia allow fair-use pictures. But we don't allow them in Simple English Wikipedia. So I want to deprecate the File namespace. That is, we want to declare the namespace to be obsolete in this language. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • changes) 08:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Sbb1413: I'm not sure what form that would take, but we do have a few files here. The ones we have are administrative and are mostly recordings of Simple English articles -- remember that not all files are images. Therefore we couldn't completely eliminate the file namespace. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

There should be an article for creation on this wiki, like EN Wiki, so that there won't be so many nonsensical pages created, and the backlog would decrease significantly. Thanks Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 08:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Cactusisme An AfC-like process has been rejected by the community many times so I doubt that this proposal will go anywhere.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 09:11, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think you should read through the archives before proposing such thing. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • changes) 09:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

oh, my bad. Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 11:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

then closing Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 11:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Cactusisme: Also, that wouldn't stop people from creating bad pages. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I mean it would not show up in mainspace Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 22:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Joe Bloggs

Joe Bloggs in 1987 [example of a free picture]
Birth	July 4, 1969
Death	May 16, 2021

Sometimes, we try to add a non-free picture in subjects without any free pictures. But we don't allow them here. So we should make changes to the infoboxes to add a parameter to add a website to a non-free picture. I'm showing its example at the right. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • changes) 08:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Oppose Thank you for suggesting it, but I do not see the point in this. It does not look very good in the infobox and you can simply search for the picture on the web. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 10:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Also, we try to keep many of our templates the same as enwiki's to make maintenance easier, and such a change would conflict with that. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

• Given Simple and EN Wikipedias are generally the same it's a shame we can't use EN images or at least upload images locally like EN, I know we're Simple and all but it's still never made sense to me why we can't, Anyway like above I don't see the point of having placeholder images either so oppose, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 15:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  I've been flogging that horse for years. I've forgotten how many times I've asked the community to allow local images. :-| fr33kman 09:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  @Fr33kman Ah okay I didn't know that, that makes me sad now I know you tried and seemingly got nowhere :(,

  Given article layout, templates, navboxes, modules... virtually everything goes back to EN you'd think they'd have the sense to say "Images uploaded to EN can also exclusively be used on Simple" or as I said upload locally .... guess this is all hot air and forever will be, shame really, –Davey2010^Talk 19:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

We are discussing the introduction to this article (Plaxton Pointer), and would appreciate opinions and suggestions. Kdammers (talk) 22:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Comment: discussion at Talk:Plaxton Pointer Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 11:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki. Please help translate to your language

Hello all,

A special election has been called to fill additional vacancies on the U4C. The call for candidates phase is open from now through July 19, 2024.

The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. Community members are invited to submit their applications in the special election for the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, please review the U4C Charter.

In this special election, according to chapter 2 of the U4C charter, there are 9 seats available on the U4C: four community-at-large seats and five regional seats to ensure the U4C represents the diversity of the movement. No more than two members of the U4C can be elected from the same home wiki. Therefore, candidates must not have English Wikipedia, German Wikipedia, or Italian Wikipedia as their home wiki.

Read more and submit your application on Meta-wiki.

In cooperation with the U4C,

-- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 00:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Should we, like enwiki, have a Draft namespace? It might encourage greater cooperation to edit articles. fr33kman 04:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Is that how it works on enwiki? I thought people write their drafts and then they got either approved or denied (by whom, I don't know). -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Well...anyone can write a draft on enwiki. Users not autoconfirmed can't create articles in the mainspace. In order to get a draft published to mainspace, an autoconfirmed user can just move it. A non-autoconfirmed user can submit it for review through AFC, where it is reviewed by an experienced AFC reviewer.

The Draft namespace (at least on enwiki) isn't for editing, just for eventually bringing a not fully complete article to mainspace. I actually do think that a Draft namespace would be helpful (for all those half-baked, unsourced pages to be in a for a it), but the issue that we would need some way, like enwiki, to get non-autoconfirmed user's articles out of draftspace (and AFC would be really annoying to implement here as there's much less users). @Auntof6@Fr33kman Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 16:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

i think this would add a lot of overhead, with little to no benefit to this wiki Eptalon (talk) 17:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I agree. Ideally, we could have it such that non-autoconfirmed users could move it form draftspace (in which case I think draftspace would be helpful), but otherwise I think it would do more harm than good. @Eptalon Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 17:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Me Da Wikipedian Non-autoconfirmed users can't move pages at all. 73.170.137.168 (talk) 17:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I know that, that's my point. It would only work if they could move pages from draftspace. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 02:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Category:People who committed suicide is very bulky and not simple. Perhaps we ought to move this category to either Category:Deaths by suicide or simply Category:Suicides? MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 21:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Support Seems like a better category Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 01:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Suicides Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 03:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Support Suicides as the simplest one. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 02:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

'Suicide victims'? Would allow to also have a category for those who survived Eptalon (talk) 12:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Eptalon I do not understand what your mean. Sorry Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 12:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Not all people are successful committing suicides. The wording I proposed would allow to keep track of people who survived an attempt Eptalon (talk) 12:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Eptalon oh okay Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 11:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I don't know the exact figures, but I heard that some people who jump in front of a train actually survive. Don't ask what they look like afterwards, but still. Also, manufacturers of sleeping pills have made it more difficult to commit suicide that way. In that respect, it would perhaps make sense to have a cattegory to hold both those that were successful, and those that weren't. Eptalon (talk) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Eptalon Not all people who died by suicide are "victims" though. Think about Cato the Younger. "Victims" is a bit POVish as well, because not every culture sees suicides as victims. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 18:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I forgot to actually vote, sorry. My vote is   Support Category:Suicides ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 11:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Support Suicides as per above, also matches EN (en:Category:People who committed suicide redirects to en:Category:Suicides), –Davey2010^Talk 12:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Support More simple. Cyclonical (talk) 18:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@MrMeAndMrMe seems like the community approve this idea Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 11:46, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Basically, if an IP wanted to create the page TFYUIGYIYIOPHBOUYDIVGHDGIOUDBY on simple.wikipedia.org, they would be able to, but if they wanted to create the page on English wikipedia, they can't. Why is that? 24.115.255.37 (talk) 22:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

On en wikipedia, you need to submit the article for review and an reviwer will take a look at it if it is acceptable to be on mainspace. Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 01:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

But why isn't that the case on Simple? 24.115.255.37 (talk) 02:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Simple do not have articles for creation Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 02:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Also please do not create the page as it would be nonsense Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 01:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I wasn't going to I was just using it as an example 24.115.255.37 (talk) 02:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Okay Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 02:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

The rules on different languages Wikipedias are different. We don't have any requirement to go through Articles for Creation. Enwiki only enacted it a few years back. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:18, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

In very short terms: This community is much smaller than EnWp, and it believes that deep down most IP editors are good people who create useful content. There's no reason to keep an IP from creating an article. Note: there are quick dleetion criteria, a few of them let us delete articles that are nonsense. Admins regularly delete such articles. IP editors who create a few bad pages may be bloked. First the blocks are short, later the blocks are longer. In short: there is no need to prevent IP edittors from creating (hopefully meaningful) articles.

Creating an account isn't necessary, but it has benefits:

• You can vote in elections
• If your account has a cetain age, and you have done a number of edits, you will be able ot edit semu-protected pages.

Eptalon (talk) 12:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

In the page All About That Bass#Certifications, citation 122 has an error that says that the reference has no access date or url. This should not be an issue. The issue seems to be in the template, since the reference itself in the article does not show any url or access date, however I do not know what the issue is. Is there any way to fix this? MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 01:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have tried updating the templates regarding Template:Certification Table Entry, but nothing seems to have worked. (sorry if I broke something) It looks like this happens at every instance of an ARIA chart, and it has something to do with Template:Cite certification, but I still do not know why there is an issue. MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 01:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

On Simple English Wikipedia we do not create pages, we start them, so I am asking if we can move Wikipedia:Do not create hoaxes to Wikipedia:Do not start hoaxes. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 13:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I would also suggest moving Wikipedia:Why create an account? to Wikipedia:Why make an account?. MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 23:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Agreed. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 23:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello, I am an editor from Wikipedia and I am interested in also editing in Simple Wikipedia. Is there anything different about editing Simple Wikipedia that I should know besides to make it in simple English? Zabro29 (talk) 16:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Welcome! Some things here are different from how they are on English Wikipedia (for example, anyone can put new pages on the mainspace), but most of it is similar. I would recommend checking out Wikipedia:How to write Simple English pages - it has great info on how to write in Simple English. If you need any help, feel free to ask! 🤘🤘 DovahFRD (talk) 19:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

When you say “Anyone can put new pages on the mainspace”, does this mean that I can create a new article without having to go through a process? Zabro29 (talk) 22:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, you can publish new articles immediately. 🤘🤘 DovahFRD (talk) 22:43, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! Can’t wait to contribute to here Zabro29 (talk) 22:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Zabro29 I add a welcome template to your talk page, User talk:Zabro29. There are some useful links there. Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 11:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Welcome here! You may be interested in reading Wikipedia:An English Wikipedian's guide. Hope you choose to stay and help us :) ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 21:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for giving me the guide, that helped me Zabro29 (talk) 22:01, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Happy to help   ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 23:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Zabro29: Welcome. In addition to the things mentioned above, you might be interested in this list I maintain of some things that are different here. The list is not a policy or guideline, but it links to some relevant policies and guidelines. If you have any questions about it, feel free to leave a message on my talk page. -- Auntof6 (talk) 23:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Can someone help to simplify the wording in this infobox: Enumclaw horse sex case? Or should it just be left as it is? I don't think "Acute peritonitis caused by traumatic perforation of the colon" or "Laws passed criminalizing bestiality and zoophilic pornography" are simple. 2607:F140:6000:802A:4E1:5FBE:B05:C96 (talk) 22:57, 15 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

How about:

• Instead of the first: Peritonitis because of a hole in the colon
• Instead of the second: Laws passed making sexual intercourse with animals and human/animal pornography illegal

What do you think? -- Auntof6 (talk) 11:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Is there help for Jamaicans, schooled in English but speaking with a strong Jamaican dialect? 2001:56A:6FE0:8BF5:144E:4AE4:3C2E:93EE (talk) 22:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

On some pages of the article wizard, there are tabs with redlinks. They are pages such as:

• Wikipedia:Article wizard/Redirect
• Wikipedia:Article wizard/Category
• Wikipedia:Article wizard/Disambiguation
• Wikipedia:Article wizard/Advertising
• Wikipedia:Article wizard/Content

There are links on the tabs that say "Introduction", "Subject", and in some cases, "Notability" and "Sources". But are these necessary? 2607:F140:6000:806A:755A:8FB:CCBA:6EB4 (talk) 04:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Comment: moved this from User talk:Ferien to simple talk. Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 08:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

This page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_suboxide states that carbon Suboxide is produced in the human body from Malonic acid and by heme oxygenase-however I could not find any more info on this!

Is this simply false or is there some source that states this? If neither are true, then that would make this a primary source and therefore inappropriate!? Harry (talk) 10:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@LevelMeasurement6553 Why are you asking about an EN wiki article on simple wiki? Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 10:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Because primary sources are not allowed on Wikipedia Harry (talk) 00:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@LevelMeasurement6553 It would be best to bring it up on en rather than simple as the wikis act essentially separate.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 08:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

oh okay Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 07:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Just FYI, I brought over part of the page, now at Carbon suboxide. I am not a chemist, so likely the page needs looking at/copyediting. Eptalon (talk) 08:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello, Blood on the Clocktower and Christopher Plummer have recently been promoted to Good Article. Thank you to all who contributed, good work... Eptalon (talk) 10:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi. I emptied Category:Pages needing to be simplified from April 2012 and the quick-deletion template automatically appeared on the page, automatically categorizing it inside Category:Quick deletion requests. However, I cannot find it inside Category:Quick deletion requests. It happens with other empty monthly clean-up categories as well. Is this a problem with the template inside them? Should I manually tag them for quickly deletion? (I am not taking about mantainance categories that should not be deleted even if empty, of course.) ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 14:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Dream Indigo: I think it's a cache thing. I think if you just do a null edit, it will show up. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Auntof6: Such an easy fix, thank you very much! It shows up now. Thanks a lot. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 15:16, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Dream Indigo: Yes, I did a null edit. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello, I semi-protected the articles on Joe Biden and Donald Trump, as they will be the likely candidates for the presidential election end of the year. They are now semi-protected, only autoconfirmed users can edit the articles. This was done, because there was an increasing level of vandalism to the pages. The protection is for six months, it will expire after the election is over. Editors who aren't autoconfirmed can still suggest changes on the respective talk page, and autoconfirmed editor will then do the change once there is agreement. Eptalon (talk) 08:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply