Temporary Disabled. :) please Go back ⚓ T66793 Make compact interlanguage links default www.fgks.org » Address: [go: up one dir, main page] Include Form Remove Scripts Accept Cookies Show Images Show Referer Rotate13 Base64 Strip Meta Strip Title Session Cookies Page MenuHomePhabricatorSearchConfigure Global SearchLog InCreate Task Maniphest T66793 Make compact interlanguage links defaultOpen, MediumPublicFeatureActionsEdit TaskEdit Related Tasks...Create SubtaskEdit Parent TasksEdit SubtasksMerge Duplicates InClose As DuplicateEdit Related Objects...Edit CommitsEdit MocksSubscribeMute NotificationsProtect as security issueAward TokenFlag For LaterAssigned ToNoneAuthored ByNemo_bisMay 3 2014, 11:43 AM2014-05-03 11:43:00 (UTC+0)TagsUniversalLanguageSelector (Compact Language Links)ULS-CompactLinks (Deployment and configuration)Wikimedia-Interwiki-links (Backlog)Language-Engineering April-June 2016 (ULS)GoalReferenced FilesF4005423: Screen Shot 2016-05-13 at 14.38.00.pngMay 13 2016, 1:10 PM2016-05-13 13:10:23 (UTC+0)F4001591: no_cll_screenshot.pngMay 12 2016, 4:22 PM2016-05-12 16:22:35 (UTC+0)F4001587: cll_screenshot.pngMay 12 2016, 4:22 PM2016-05-12 16:22:35 (UTC+0)SubscribersAklapperAmire80Arrbeedchan• ElitreHe7d3rJdforrester-WMFView All 17 SubscribersDescriptionThe feature has been demanded for core since at least 2010, r67281: We might want to try guessing which interwikis may be relevant to the reader and highlight them somehow, though. For now it's available in ULS, it's unlikely for it to be redeveloped elsewhere. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/Design/Interlanguage_links Niharika, not all known bugs and enhancement requests are filed in bugzilla, can you please file them? They'll then need to be triaged to identify which are blockers for the feature to be default. Performance wise, mw.loader.inspect() shows zero impact on the size of the modules loaded, whether this is enabled or not, for a registered user on the Italian Wikipedia (not vanilla preferences), i.e. 574.9 kB. Chromium dev console throttled at Good 3G (1 MB/s, 40 ms RTT) shows 35 requests, 215 kB transferred and finish in 2.21 s on https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suillus_bovinus with the beta enabled; 34 requests, 214 kB and finish in 2.22 s without (plus/minus some ms). Version: master Severity: enhancement URL: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/Design/Interlanguage_linksDetailsReference bz64793 Related ObjectsSearch...Task GraphMentionsDuplicatesStatusSubtypeAssignedTask InvalidNoneT98348 Implement the Wikimedia Foundation Call to Action 2015 InvalidNoneT98358 WMF to integrate, consolidate, and pause or stop stalled initiatives OpenNoneT76456 Language Engineering tracker of trackers (tracking) ResolvedAmire80T18888 Make the user's preferred languages more prominent in interlanguage links list OpenFeatureNoneT18962 Provide a non-JavaScript means of including a "Complete list" link in the interlanguage sidebar OpenFeatureNoneT66793 Make compact interlanguage links default ResolvedNoneT64692 Previous languages not being updated on selecting a new language in compact links beta feature ResolvedAmire80T64981 Compact-interlanguage link doesn't show up correctly for RTL languages InvalidNoneT66796 [Interlanguage links] Interlanguage list should be customizable by user ResolvedNemo_bisT66797 [Compact links] Collapsed language links should preserve <a>, <li> elements and attributes DeclinedNoneT65271 [Compact links] When common languages are not enough, "fillers" should come after ResolvedAmire80T72109 mediawiki.language should respect $wgTranslateNumerals in convertNumber() ResolvedNoneT65809 Local number for MediaWiki:Ext-uls-compact-link-count ResolvedNemo_bisT64342 [Interlanguage links] Always display assistant languages where available ResolvedsanthoshT64346 [Compact links] Default languages shown for an Italian user can be improved InvalidNoneT64363 Compact-interlanguage link feature fails to show any relevant languages for some users ResolvedNemo_bisT64362 [Compact links] Don't show as a beta feature option if it can't be enabled ResolvedNiharikaT64361 [Interlanguage links] Provide a way to enable compact links with ULS in "personal" position ResolvedNemo_bisT64365 [Compact links] Fix position of language links and uls-trigger ResolvedNoneT64364 [Compact links] Make the compact-uls menu under the language links accessible from the keyboard InvalidNoneT64376 [Compact links] With compact-links beta feature, "Featured Article" and "Good Article" tags vanish ResolvedNiharikaT70076 In addition to "…", "X more languages"/ext-uls-compact-link-count/#more-lang-label should also open the language selector ResolvedNoneT70075 [Compact links] Accessibility of the "more"/… button, including via keyboard InvalidNoneT71959 Language settings are not delivering customized list of interwiki links DuplicateNoneT129826 [Tracker] Missing languages in Compact Language Links Duplicate• NikerabbitT123834 Link to pa does not appear in ULS Compact Links Duplicate• NikerabbitT126909 Link to be-tarask does not appear in ULS Compact Links ResolvedsanthoshT100002 Link to sr does not appear in ULS Compact Links DuplicatesanthoshT131005 Link to zh-yue does not appear in ULS Compact Links Resolved• NikerabbitT122341 Performance analysis of ULS "Compact Interlanguage links" feature ResolvedsanthoshT133030 Create a new user preference for Compact Language Links ResolvedKartikMistryT134966 Configure Compact Language Links on Beta/testwikis for testing ResolvedKartikMistryT134963 Inform and receive feedback (if any) Release and Tech Ops for Compact Language Links deployment Resolved• NikerabbitT136248 zh (Chinese) doesn't appear as a suggested language if the country is CN (China) Resolved• NikerabbitT136677 Deployment of Compact Language Links Resolved• NikerabbitT136676 Test Compact Language Links ResolvedArrbeeT135586 Cross browser test Compact language links ResolvedAmire80T187677 Deploy Compact Language Links on the English Wikipedia ResolvedTrizek-WMFT187784 Support deployment of CLL to the English Wikipedia Resolved• NikerabbitT187880 Improve preference migration script ResolvedAmire80T177836 Deploy Compact Language Links on the German Wikipedia ResolvedArrbeeT136680 Update the Mediawiki page and FAQ for Compact Links ResolvedKartikMistryT136161 Enable Compact Language Links for new users on BetaMentioned In T18888: Make the user's preferred languages more prominent in interlanguage links listT135224: Add tooltip to the "more languages" action to provide better contextT121919: [GOAL] Improve in-article language switching on mobile web IT98358: WMF to integrate, consolidate, and pause or stop stalled initiativesT88284: Use "assistant languages" from the Translate extension for the term box, etc.T86536: Create a Phabricator project for ULS compact links to supersede T66793 Mentioned Here T135224: Add tooltip to the "more languages" action to provide better contextT131455: Some main pages have a redundant "Complete list" link in other languagesT122341: Performance analysis of ULS "Compact Interlanguage links" featureT86536: Create a Phabricator project for ULS compact links to supersede T66793 Duplicates Merged Here T90153: ULS - interwiki links integration- Content language selection Event TimelineThere are a very large number of changes, so older changes are hidden. Show Older ChangesNemo_bis merged a task: T90153: ULS - interwiki links integration- Content language selection.Feb 22 2015, 6:57 PM2015-02-22 18:57:25 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis added a subscriber: Aklapper.Aklapper added a comment.Mar 3 2015, 3:42 PM2015-03-03 15:42:12 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsNote that this tracking task is proposed to be converted into a project: T86536.Nemo_bis added a comment.Mar 5 2015, 7:58 AM2015-03-05 07:58:46 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsHmpfLiuxinyu970226 subscribed.Mar 9 2015, 7:01 AM2015-03-09 07:01:22 (UTC+0)Aklapper closed this task as Declined.Mar 10 2015, 2:58 PM2015-03-10 14:58:26 (UTC+0)Aklapper updated the task description. (Show Details)Aklapper added a project: ULS-CompactLinks.Comment ActionsThis tracking task has been superseded by the project ULS-CompactLinks as requested in T86536: Create a Phabricator project for ULS compact links to supersede T66793. Please use / watch the project ULS-CompactLinks instead of this task.Liuxinyu970226 unsubscribed.Mar 10 2015, 11:51 PM2015-03-10 23:51:09 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis changed the task status from Declined to Invalid.Edited · Mar 11 2015, 12:20 PM2015-03-11 12:20:49 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis claimed this task.Comment ActionsDeclined looks bad. We definitely want to do this. Where is the report which tracks the configuration change which will make compact links the default?Amire80 reopened this task as Open.Apr 1 2015, 9:50 PM2015-04-01 21:50:43 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsThis one is open, just not as a tracker. I definitely plan to do it.Amire80 renamed this task from Make compact interwikis (interlanguage wikilinks) default (tracking) to Make compact interlanguage links default.Apr 1 2015, 9:51 PM2015-04-01 21:51:10 (UTC+0)Liuxinyu970226 subscribed.Apr 10 2015, 1:49 AM2015-04-10 01:49:54 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis closed subtask T70076: In addition to "…", "X more languages"/ext-uls-compact-link-count/#more-lang-label should also open the language selector as Resolved.Apr 22 2015, 7:16 PM2015-04-22 19:16:26 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis removed Nemo_bis as the assignee of this task.Apr 24 2015, 2:03 PM2015-04-24 14:03:31 (UTC+0)Amire80 removed a project: MW-1.24-release.May 22 2015, 7:04 AM2015-05-22 07:04:39 (UTC+0)Amire80 removed a subscriber: Unknown Object (MLST).• demon closed subtask T72109: mediawiki.language should respect $wgTranslateNumerals in convertNumber() as Resolved.May 23 2015, 3:20 PM2015-05-23 15:20:48 (UTC+0)Jdforrester-WMF added a comment.Dec 11 2015, 2:56 AM2015-12-11 02:56:19 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsHey. As mentioned by me on wikitech-l just now, this Beta Feature has sat for far too long with no development that I can see. It's many months past its due date to be pushed to all users, improved, or pulled. Which is it going to be? If there's no progress in a month I'm going to have to pull it myself. :-(Aklapper added a parent task: T98358: WMF to integrate, consolidate, and pause or stop stalled initiatives.Dec 11 2015, 10:41 AM2015-12-11 10:41:53 (UTC+0)Aklapper mentioned this in T98358: WMF to integrate, consolidate, and pause or stop stalled initiatives.Nemo_bis added a comment.Edited · Dec 11 2015, 11:34 AM2015-12-11 11:34:38 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsIMHO it's good enough to be default feature-wise (CLDR data improved in the meanwhile), but there should maybe be a performance review. Alternatively it could become a permanent preference offered by ULS, of which we can reconsider the default later.Nemo_bis removed a project: Tracking-Neverending.Dec 11 2015, 12:03 PM2015-12-11 12:03:26 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis closed subtask T66797: [Compact links] Collapsed language links should preserve <a>, <li> elements and attributes as Resolved.Dec 11 2015, 12:09 PM2015-12-11 12:09:50 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis closed subtask T64365: [Compact links] Fix position of language links and uls-trigger as Resolved.Nemo_bis updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 11 2015, 12:51 PM2015-12-11 12:51:47 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis added a parent task: T18888: Make the user's preferred languages more prominent in interlanguage links list.Dec 20 2015, 10:25 AM2015-12-20 10:25:28 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis added a parent task: T18962: Provide a non-JavaScript means of including a "Complete list" link in the interlanguage sidebar.Dec 20 2015, 10:29 AM2015-12-20 10:29:04 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis mentioned this in T121919: [GOAL] Improve in-article language switching on mobile web I.Dec 20 2015, 10:32 AM2015-12-20 10:32:41 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis added a parent task: T121919: [GOAL] Improve in-article language switching on mobile web I.Nemo_bis removed a subtask: T78351: there should be a comparison of clicks count on interlanguage links on different platforms.Jan 5 2016, 11:50 AM2016-01-05 11:50:17 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis removed a subtask: T70078: [Compact links] The "..." button should be kept pressed while the panel is open.Nemo_bis added a project: Wikimedia-Interwiki-links.Jan 5 2016, 11:55 AM2016-01-05 11:55:08 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis added a comment.Jan 5 2016, 5:27 PM2016-01-05 17:27:52 (UTC+0)Comment Actions In T66793#1872780, @Nemo_bis wrote: IMHO it's good enough to be default feature-wise (CLDR data improved in the meanwhile), but there should maybe be a performance review. A performance review happened too in the meanwhile thanks to Krinkle and improvements were merged, see in particular T122341#1907435.• Jhernandez removed a parent task: T121919: [GOAL] Improve in-article language switching on mobile web I.Jan 12 2016, 1:39 AM2016-01-12 01:39:30 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis added a parent task: T121919: [GOAL] Improve in-article language switching on mobile web I.Jan 16 2016, 11:46 AM2016-01-16 11:46:17 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis updated the task description. (Show Details)Jdlrobson removed a parent task: T121919: [GOAL] Improve in-article language switching on mobile web I.Jan 18 2016, 6:52 PM2016-01-18 18:52:21 (UTC+0)Amire80 edited subtasks, added: T129826: [Tracker] Missing languages in Compact Language Links; removed: T100002: Link to sr does not appear in ULS Compact Links.Mar 14 2016, 6:00 AM2016-03-14 06:00:18 (UTC+0)Amire80 removed subtasks: T70077: [Compact links] Prioritise interwiki to language "X" if a lang="X" attribute is present in the page's HTML, T70071: [Compact links] Prioritise interwikis to featured pages, T59133: Search in CLDR-aliased language codes, but output corresponding MediaWiki locale code (or $wgLanguageCode or wikiId?).Amire80 added a subtask: T122341: Performance analysis of ULS "Compact Interlanguage links" feature.Mar 26 2016, 4:02 PM2016-03-26 16:02:02 (UTC+0)Amire80 moved this task from Backlog to Deployment and configuration on the ULS-CompactLinks board.Mar 26 2016, 4:06 PM2016-03-26 16:06:02 (UTC+0)santhosh added a subtask: T130633: Alignment, space and shadow in language selector.Mar 29 2016, 5:29 AM2016-03-29 05:29:01 (UTC+0)Amire80 added a project: Language-Engineering April-June 2016.Mar 30 2016, 8:49 AM2016-03-30 08:49:51 (UTC+0)• Nikerabbit moved this task from Backlog to ULS on the Language-Engineering April-June 2016 board.Mar 30 2016, 8:50 AM2016-03-30 08:50:37 (UTC+0)Pginer-WMF added a comment.Apr 1 2016, 9:14 AM2016-04-01 09:14:52 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsT131455 captures a very specific case, but given the frequent access to the page we may consider fixing this before exposing the feature to more people (i.e., adding it to the list of blockers).Amire80 added a subtask: T131455: Some main pages have a redundant "Complete list" link in other languages.Apr 1 2016, 9:20 AM2016-04-01 09:20:25 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis removed a subtask: T130633: Alignment, space and shadow in language selector.Apr 2 2016, 9:06 AM2016-04-02 09:06:58 (UTC+0)Amire80 added subtasks: T133030: Create a new user preference for Compact Language Links, T133031: Preference conversion for Compact Language Links.Apr 19 2016, 11:48 AM2016-04-19 11:48:43 (UTC+0)Arrbee removed a subtask: T133031: Preference conversion for Compact Language Links.May 2 2016, 7:19 AM2016-05-02 07:19:59 (UTC+0)• Elitre subscribed.May 2 2016, 4:42 PM2016-05-02 16:42:03 (UTC+0)Arrbee created subtask T134966: Configure Compact Language Links on Beta/testwikis for testing.May 11 2016, 7:29 AM2016-05-11 07:29:50 (UTC+0)KartikMistry added a subtask: T134963: Inform and receive feedback (if any) Release and Tech Ops for Compact Language Links deployment.May 11 2016, 7:31 AM2016-05-11 07:31:44 (UTC+0)• Capt_Swing subscribed.May 12 2016, 4:22 PM2016-05-12 16:22:35 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsI was asked to provide a bit of feedback on CIL. I compared the "Languages" that appear on my sidebar on en.wikipedia, while logged in under my staff account, with and without CIL. See the screenshots below (first with CIL, second without CIL). I used the article Panama Papers, because it's an article I have recently looked at in multiple languages. Of the links that appear when CIL is enabled, some of them are clearly relevant (you can see from the link color on that I've recently clicked on them). But it's not clear why certain languages are appearing--for example, Afrikaans, a language wiki that I can't remember ever visiting. I'm essentially monolingual—I don't read any languages other than English. We can expect, from what we know about editor demographics, that many other English Wikipedians are monolingual as well. For people like us, it's not clear what value this feature provides (other than shrinking the length of a long list in the sidebar, which I appreciate). It comes off looking kind of arbitrary. So, I strongly suggest that when this feature is implemented, you add a tooltip or info link that users can click on to find out why these links are being recommended to them. Otherwise, I expect that there will be some amount of pushback—editors generally don't respond positively to interface changes that seem arbitrary, and/or for which they can't immediately see the value. We also don't know if there are workflows that will be disrupted by a default rollout of this feature. There may be important curation processes that involve rapidly moving back and forth between different versions of an article (even among editors who don't read/edit in those other languages). Not saying the rollout should be halted, just that if you want to avoid negative feedback, you should provide editors with an easy way of learning how this feature works, and why it's being implemented. A link from the interface itself is the natural place for this. Note that I haven't been involved in this project, and do not know if any of my suggestions above are already on your roadmap or not. Hope that helps! JonathanPginer-WMF mentioned this in T135224: Add tooltip to the "more languages" action to provide better context.May 13 2016, 1:06 PM2016-05-13 13:06:15 (UTC+0)Pginer-WMF added a comment.May 13 2016, 1:10 PM2016-05-13 13:10:23 (UTC+0)Comment Actions In T66793#2289607, @Capt_Swing wrote: I was asked to provide a bit of feedback on CIL. Thanks for your input. It's been really useful. I agree that providing some context can help. I proposed a ticket for this (T135224). As you mentioned, I don't see it as a hard blocker for the initial stage of the deployment targeting smaller wikis. But paying attention to feedback around this, and making adjustments before reaching wikis with a heavier volume of users makes sense. As a reference, similar pattern of making the list shorter (in this case in apparently arbitrary way) is already present at the main pages of Wikipedia: For people like us, it's not clear what value this feature provides (other than shrinking the length of a long list in the sidebar, which I appreciate). It comes off looking kind of arbitrary. Although it's not the main audience, for monolingual users there is also the small benefit of making it easier to answer a question such as "in how many languages is now available this article I created?"santhosh added a comment.May 16 2016, 3:33 AM2016-05-16 03:33:46 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsBut it's not clear why certain languages are appearing--for example, Afrikaans, The logic for selecting a subset of languages is based on the following: It is a language you chose using this feature previously It is a language widely spoken in the world It is the language in which you see wikipedia - user language It is the language you set for your browser - Browsers UI language It is the acceptLanguage set you configured in your browser It is a language spoken in the geographic area you are now. But I agree, if we can communicate this in a simple way in UI, people will find it helpful.Arrbee removed a subtask: T131455: Some main pages have a redundant "Complete list" link in other languages.May 16 2016, 7:05 AM2016-05-16 07:05:45 (UTC+0)Arrbee closed subtask T122341: Performance analysis of ULS "Compact Interlanguage links" feature as Resolved.May 17 2016, 7:01 AM2016-05-17 07:01:41 (UTC+0)Arrbee closed subtask T134963: Inform and receive feedback (if any) Release and Tech Ops for Compact Language Links deployment as Resolved.May 17 2016, 7:12 AM2016-05-17 07:12:02 (UTC+0)KartikMistry closed subtask T134966: Configure Compact Language Links on Beta/testwikis for testing as Resolved.May 25 2016, 3:50 AM2016-05-25 03:50:48 (UTC+0)Amire80 added a subtask: T136248: zh (Chinese) doesn't appear as a suggested language if the country is CN (China).May 25 2016, 9:14 PM2016-05-25 21:14:49 (UTC+0)Arrbee closed subtask T133030: Create a new user preference for Compact Language Links as Resolved.May 31 2016, 6:57 AM2016-05-31 06:57:09 (UTC+0)Arrbee added a subtask: T136677: Deployment of Compact Language Links.Jun 1 2016, 6:51 AM2016-06-01 06:51:52 (UTC+0)Arrbee created subtask T136680: Update the Mediawiki page and FAQ for Compact Links.Jun 1 2016, 7:16 AM2016-06-01 07:16:14 (UTC+0)KartikMistry added a subtask: T136161: Enable Compact Language Links for new users on Beta.Jun 2 2016, 2:35 PM2016-06-02 14:35:42 (UTC+0)Nemo_bis unsubscribed.Jun 8 2016, 12:49 PM2016-06-08 12:49:58 (UTC+0)Arrbee closed subtask T136248: zh (Chinese) doesn't appear as a suggested language if the country is CN (China) as Resolved.Jun 14 2016, 7:53 AM2016-06-14 07:53:59 (UTC+0)Arrbee closed subtask T136161: Enable Compact Language Links for new users on Beta as Resolved.Jun 15 2016, 6:33 AM2016-06-15 06:33:29 (UTC+0)Stryn subscribed.Jun 20 2016, 3:35 PM2016-06-20 15:35:53 (UTC+0)Arrbee closed subtask T136680: Update the Mediawiki page and FAQ for Compact Links as Resolved.Jun 27 2016, 7:01 AM2016-06-27 07:01:05 (UTC+0)Krinkle added a project: Performance-Team.Jun 27 2016, 8:04 PM2016-06-27 20:04:05 (UTC+0)Krinkle moved this task from Inbox, needs triage to Radar on the Performance-Team board.Krinkle subscribed.Danny_B removed a parent task: T4007: [DO NOT USE] Tracking bug [superseded by #Tracking].Jul 14 2016, 11:35 PM2016-07-14 23:35:42 (UTC+0)Danny_B added a project: Tracking-Neverending.Danny_B moved this task from Tag to Should be Goal instead on the Tracking-Neverending board.Jul 14 2016, 11:38 PM2016-07-14 23:38:32 (UTC+0)• Phabricator_maintenance added a project: Goal.Aug 13 2016, 8:41 PM2016-08-13 20:41:56 (UTC+0)• Phabricator_maintenance removed a project: Tracking-Neverending.Aug 13 2016, 9:57 PM2016-08-13 21:57:32 (UTC+0)• Gilles removed a project: Performance-Team.Dec 6 2016, 3:45 PM2016-12-06 15:45:02 (UTC+0)Shizhao closed subtask T136677: Deployment of Compact Language Links as Resolved.Apr 7 2017, 1:57 PM2017-04-07 13:57:44 (UTC+0)Amire80 reopened subtask T136677: Deployment of Compact Language Links as Open.Apr 7 2017, 2:01 PM2017-04-07 14:01:23 (UTC+0)Amire80 mentioned this in T18888: Make the user's preferred languages more prominent in interlanguage links list.Nov 1 2017, 2:35 PM2017-11-01 14:35:43 (UTC+0)Amire80 moved this task from Backlog to Compact Language Links on the UniversalLanguageSelector board.Nov 1 2017, 2:43 PM2017-11-01 14:43:12 (UTC+0)Krinkle unsubscribed.Nov 1 2017, 7:53 PM2017-11-01 19:53:38 (UTC+0)• Nikerabbit closed subtask T136677: Deployment of Compact Language Links as Resolved.Jun 22 2020, 11:00 AM2020-06-22 11:00:06 (UTC+0)Aklapper changed the subtype of this task from "Task" to "Feature Request".Feb 4 2022, 12:23 PM2022-02-04 12:23:44 (UTC+0) · Aklapper removed a subscriber: • Capt_Swing.Log In to Comment
The feature has been demanded for core since at least 2010, r67281:
We might want to try guessing which interwikis may be relevant to the reader and highlight them somehow, though.
For now it's available in ULS, it's unlikely for it to be redeveloped elsewhere. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/Design/Interlanguage_links Niharika, not all known bugs and enhancement requests are filed in bugzilla, can you please file them? They'll then need to be triaged to identify which are blockers for the feature to be default.
Performance wise, mw.loader.inspect() shows zero impact on the size of the modules loaded, whether this is enabled or not, for a registered user on the Italian Wikipedia (not vanilla preferences), i.e. 574.9 kB.
Chromium dev console throttled at Good 3G (1 MB/s, 40 ms RTT) shows 35 requests, 215 kB transferred and finish in 2.21 s on https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suillus_bovinus with the beta enabled; 34 requests, 214 kB and finish in 2.22 s without (plus/minus some ms).
Version: master Severity: enhancement URL: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/Design/Interlanguage_links
Note that this tracking task is proposed to be converted into a project: T86536.
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This tracking task has been superseded by the project ULS-CompactLinks as requested in T86536: Create a Phabricator project for ULS compact links to supersede T66793. Please use / watch the project ULS-CompactLinks instead of this task.
Declined looks bad. We definitely want to do this.
Where is the report which tracks the configuration change which will make compact links the default?
This one is open, just not as a tracker. I definitely plan to do it.
Hey. As mentioned by me on wikitech-l just now, this Beta Feature has sat for far too long with no development that I can see. It's many months past its due date to be pushed to all users, improved, or pulled. Which is it going to be? If there's no progress in a month I'm going to have to pull it myself. :-(
IMHO it's good enough to be default feature-wise (CLDR data improved in the meanwhile), but there should maybe be a performance review.
Alternatively it could become a permanent preference offered by ULS, of which we can reconsider the default later.
In T66793#1872780, @Nemo_bis wrote: IMHO it's good enough to be default feature-wise (CLDR data improved in the meanwhile), but there should maybe be a performance review.
A performance review happened too in the meanwhile thanks to Krinkle and improvements were merged, see in particular T122341#1907435.
T131455 captures a very specific case, but given the frequent access to the page we may consider fixing this before exposing the feature to more people (i.e., adding it to the list of blockers).
I was asked to provide a bit of feedback on CIL.
I compared the "Languages" that appear on my sidebar on en.wikipedia, while logged in under my staff account, with and without CIL. See the screenshots below (first with CIL, second without CIL). I used the article Panama Papers, because it's an article I have recently looked at in multiple languages.
Of the links that appear when CIL is enabled, some of them are clearly relevant (you can see from the link color on that I've recently clicked on them). But it's not clear why certain languages are appearing--for example, Afrikaans, a language wiki that I can't remember ever visiting.
I'm essentially monolingual—I don't read any languages other than English. We can expect, from what we know about editor demographics, that many other English Wikipedians are monolingual as well.
For people like us, it's not clear what value this feature provides (other than shrinking the length of a long list in the sidebar, which I appreciate). It comes off looking kind of arbitrary.
So, I strongly suggest that when this feature is implemented, you add a tooltip or info link that users can click on to find out why these links are being recommended to them. Otherwise, I expect that there will be some amount of pushback—editors generally don't respond positively to interface changes that seem arbitrary, and/or for which they can't immediately see the value. We also don't know if there are workflows that will be disrupted by a default rollout of this feature. There may be important curation processes that involve rapidly moving back and forth between different versions of an article (even among editors who don't read/edit in those other languages).
Not saying the rollout should be halted, just that if you want to avoid negative feedback, you should provide editors with an easy way of learning how this feature works, and why it's being implemented. A link from the interface itself is the natural place for this.
Note that I haven't been involved in this project, and do not know if any of my suggestions above are already on your roadmap or not.
Hope that helps! Jonathan
In T66793#2289607, @Capt_Swing wrote: I was asked to provide a bit of feedback on CIL.
Thanks for your input. It's been really useful.
I agree that providing some context can help. I proposed a ticket for this (T135224).
As you mentioned, I don't see it as a hard blocker for the initial stage of the deployment targeting smaller wikis. But paying attention to feedback around this, and making adjustments before reaching wikis with a heavier volume of users makes sense.
As a reference, similar pattern of making the list shorter (in this case in apparently arbitrary way) is already present at the main pages of Wikipedia:
Although it's not the main audience, for monolingual users there is also the small benefit of making it easier to answer a question such as "in how many languages is now available this article I created?"
But it's not clear why certain languages are appearing--for example, Afrikaans,
The logic for selecting a subset of languages is based on the following:
But I agree, if we can communicate this in a simple way in UI, people will find it helpful.