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Happy editing! Grimes2 (talk) 13:54, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

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Please provide an edit summary for every edit you make. With a Wikipedia account you can give yourself a reminder to add an edit summary by setting Preferences → Editing →   Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary, and then click the "Save" button. Thanks! Uness232 (talk) 23:47, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

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I noticed the current discussion at the talk for Intforce (talk · contribs) concerning Hamburg. An earlier discussion from June 2023 regarding the same subject is still on that talk page. The comments suggesting the discussion should be at Talk:Hamburg are correct. When there is a disagreement about an article, it is important that discussions occur at article talk. That allows others watching the topic to see what is going on and join in if wanted. It also makes it easy for editors in the future to find relevant discussions when trying to work out why certain changes were made. It may be that a discussion will not get much attention on article talk, but that goes more so for a user talk page. There comes a point when a discussion crosses over from being a debate about improving an article to unpleasant pressure. That is not permitted at Wikipedia. The official procedure that should be followed is dispute resolution. To attract more attention, a neutral message could be left at the talk page of one of the wikiprojects listed at the top of article talk. That would probably be WT:WikiProject Germany. It is common for disagreement to occur and contributors must discuss things from the point of view of improving the article. For images, it may not be possible to demonstrate that one arrangement is better than another and what should happen will boil down to personal opinion. In that case, Wikipedia puts the onus on someone wanting a change to justify why that change should occur. What happens in other articles (WP:OTHERSTUFF) is not relevant. Any further discussion about Hamburg should be at its talk page. If wanted, you can ask questions here or at WP:Teahouse. Johnuniq (talk) 09:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Dear Johnuniq, the discussion on the talk page of Intforce is actually not about Hamburg anyway. I just made a mistake when writing the headline. Furthermore i'd like to let you know, that the same thing that i am accused of, happened the other way round too: i made a photo collage for Vienna last December... This has been changed without having been discussed on the talk page before, a few days ago. And there are still those mistakes at Bautzen and Cottbus. Please note that the articles of cities are named after the most often used name in English. The most often used names for Bautzen and Cottbus by far are the German ones, and not the Sorbian ones. Therefore, the intros would have to read: "Bautzen (Upper Sorbian: Budyšin)" and "Cottbus (Upper Sorbian: Chóśebuz)", and not "Bautzen or Budyšin" and "Cottbus or Chóśebuz". However, someone else insists that he is right. Tibesti1 (talk) 13:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have moved your above reply from my talk to here as standard procedure is to keep discussion in one place. If wanted, you could notify the person you are replying to, for example, {{ping|Johnuniq}}. The points made above do not change the fact that a discussion about an article should be at the article talk page. If you want to know what should be done if multiple articles are involved, try the advice I gave above about asking questions. To make myself clearer, the discussion at User talk:Intforce has been going on too long and is too confrontational. As an administrator, I am supposed to explain procedures if needed. Hundreds of disagreements occur every day at Wikipedia and contributors have to get used to the fact that others will revert edits and will argue against proposals. People who respond in a WP:BATTLEGROUND fashion are not successful. Johnuniq (talk) 06:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Johnuniq:. Everything you said, i already know... As you can see, i didn't even change back the things where obvious mistakes occurred, and stating the fact that it is common practice to revert unwanted changes, and redirect them to talk pages while hoping that this won't be done because it is too stressful, is just stating a true fact. As an administrator you probably know the naming rules of articles about foreign cities, and now that i've told you what happened at Bautzen and Cottbus, perhaps you could change it. The discussions i had back then were exactly the same style as now, and the result was, that the article is false now since months, because i am too good-natured to press through my will. Tibesti1 (talk) 08:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi Tibesti1,

I noticed your recent edits and your intention to decorate articles a little. First of all, that's great! Images are important to convey topics the way you intend to. However, too many images can become messy quickly, making it difficult to navigate through an article, especially the lead section.

I would like to ask you not to put more images than absolutely necessary into infoboxes of towns and cities and consider the technical quality. For example, the image you added to Halle (Saale) had a terrible quality, low resolution, unfortunate perspective, and poor contrast. Pictures like that are almost never a good idea. On the other hand, this file doesn't have those disadvantages and therefore is a probably suitable image.

I understand that it can be challenging to determine the quality of a picture, but it is necessary to ensure graphic article quality. –Tobias (talk) 15:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tobiasi0: Since the collages are there for a month now, and you are the only one who has something against them, you would have to discuss each of your alterations on the talk pages, i've been told. Also, there is no rule stating how many photos a collage should include, see Miami for instance, long-lasting collage with 12 photos. And your mentioning of the low resolution is just a trick to alter all the collages the way you like them. The one photo you chose was probably the only one with a lower resolution. You know exactly that i only use high quality photos, and it is astonishing how someone could think that your new collages are an improvement. You didn't even just reduce the number of photos, but changed almost all of them. If you can't cite a rule stating how many photos should not be exceeded in the collages, i will undo all your deletions and you will have to discuss each collage on the respective talk pages. Tibesti1 (talk) 08:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

PS: i saw that you even changed the Vienna and Cologne collages which are there for months now. You forgot to delete my collages at Wiesbaden, Mainz, and Stuttgart :-) Tibesti1 (talk) 08:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I don't want to just delete your edits, I want images to meet minimum quality standards and not to be spammed everywhere. There were countless other examples of poor quality pictures you inserted, I can give you a few others later if you wish that, but for now, I feel like I invested enough time to clean that up a little bit. –Tobias (talk) 08:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

There is no time limit for reverts. I would be careful with redoing reverts if I were you as this is considered an edit war. The duration of the existence of this infoboxes is just the lower visits of the articles. German people usually search for cities on German Wikipedia, not here, but there are actually not just a few people who hate too many images in an infobox. So unless you got good reason for spamming low quality images, leave it. –Tobias (talk) 08:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Btw. I reduced ALL image count on any infobox. Yes, I altered a few, mostly the ones with poor quality, but there isn't one single infobox that contains the same amount of images than before. –Tobias (talk) 08:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Do you think i'm stupid? We both know that the photos i included were not low quality ones. Sorry, but which ones were low quality again? Please show them here. When i changed the collages i was told that i have to discuss the alterations on the talk pages, if someone has something against the changes, so why should you not have to do that? And to be honest, if you compare the Dresden or Leipzig collages now and before, is it really possible to regard the new ones as better than the old ones? It's unbelievable, they are so ugly now, that it is a disgrace. Tibesti1 (talk) 08:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)Reply