Qcne

Hi @Qcne, you kindly offered to have a look at this draft once I'd rewritten it (it's the page for Kernow Asset Management, an asset management firm).

I've had a careful look through the pages you and another user suggested, and made sure to re-write using only statements that can be backed up by independent sources. Here's the finished draft - if you could have a look over it and let me know if you think this is OK I'd be very grateful:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hcdmdigital/sandbox

Thank you! Hcdmdigital (talk) 14:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Hcdmdigital.

I'll go through your sources one by one:

1. Single reference to KAM, so not significant coverage.
2. Duplicate of above.
3. My concern with this is the independence of the bit in this journal - it's full-on praise for KAM and reads more like a PR piece. It might work, I am 50/50.
4. Duplicate of above.
5. Single reference to KAM, so not significant coverage.
6. Duplicate of above.
7. Duplicate of the Hedge Fund Journal PDF.
8. Duplicate of above.
9. Mostly an interview with Alyx, but I think this is okay as a source. Not sure about it's independence as I mentioned earlier, but I am hedging towards it being okay to use.
10. This is routine business coverage / regurgitated press release (lots of "According to Wood" and "Wood said"). I'm not seeing much independent analysis here.

Hope that helps, but I don't think you're quite there yet. Qcne (talk) 14:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Qcne, thanks very much for having a look, really appreciate it. We have some other sources, podcasts and conference appearances, would those be worth including to show evidence of more coverage? What would you suggest - is it worth going ahead with the sources you think are 50/50, or should we wait longer until there's been more significant independent coverage?

Thanks again for taking the time. Hcdmdigital (talk) 12:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Hcdmdigital. Podcasts - depends on what the podcast is? If it's an interview with the founder or staff, then not independent. If it's a well regarded finance podcast (I'm thinking, NPR Planet Money) which discusses the business, then that could be okay. Conference appearances wouldn't prove notability. Qcne (talk) 12:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Qcne - yes just interviews, so sounds like not worth including. In that case do you think it's worth going ahead as some of the sources are okay to use or is there just not enough independent analysis? Just to add in reply to your notes on the individual sources - the ones that are just single references (such as NBIM) were included more to back up the facts I was stating in the article. Again thanks! Hcdmdigital (talk) 12:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Currently? not enough independent analysis unfortunately. Qcne (talk) 18:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

hello, why my article declined. what type of source issue it has? Zastarbaba (talk) 19:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Zastarbaba. You only have two sources, both primary (they link to Google itself). We need significant coverage in secondary sources. Qcne (talk) 09:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Qcne, I’ve rewritten the page Restaurant Chef Pillai as per your and another user’s suggestions. Here’s the finished draft—could you please review it and let me know if it looks okay?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Restaurant_Chef_Pillai Wiki.afrinleonad (talk) 11:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Wiki.afrinleonad.

It still isn't great. "each offering unique dining experiences and innovative menus" "emphasizing fresh, locally sourced ingredients and traditional cooking methods" < this is just marketing-speak.

I am not sure if the restaurant is even notable, most of the sources are interviews Qcne (talk) 11:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

in reference to Draft:Encrypta

hey, i am very new to wiki, and that too for writing article in wikipedia. i have been observing this organization for months now, and really wanted to write this article. could you help me with suggestions on what to include and what to omit? KingMaker69 (talk) 18:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @KingMaker69. Sorry if my comments in the help desk were unduly harsh- we get hundreds of spammers a month.

To be blunt though, your draft was basically an advert for the organisation. Wikipedia has zero interest in promoting companies, in fact that is prohibited and could get your account blocked.

Instead an article should only paraphrase or summarise what reliable, independent, secondary sources state about a subject. That means:

- not press releases;

- not interviews with the founder/employees;

- not paid promo articles;

- not from the companies own website.

Take a read of WP:NORG to understand in more detail what we require. And let me know if you have further questions. Qcne (talk) 19:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I would love to get some help aligning this with what it is mean to be. I did a lot of research toward this article. The article was mainly written by me, however I have used AI to clean up the spelling and grammar etc. Thanks in advance for any advice you can give. Scottnailon (talk) 12:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Scottnailon. So, firstly, you need to convert your external links in the body of the text into proper in-line citations by following the tutorial at WP:INTREFVE. External links should only appear in the External Links section. You should get in-line citations that point to a footnote for every biographical statement, and this will automatically generate a reference list for you.

Going onto the tone though - it's really obviously been written by ChatGPT. Its full of promotional language, phrases, and words that you only really find in AI-generated text (I've reviewed hundreds of AI text and can spot this really easily now). Wikipedia articles must be written from a completely dispassionate neutral point of view. i.e. Robert Nailon's contributions to bodybuilding, particularly through his photography, have left an indelible mark on the sport you would only be able to state indelible mark if you are quoting a reliable, independent source which uses that exact phrase.

The entire draft needs re-writing to be in this utterly neutral tone.

Please check WP:NPOV and WP:PEACOCK for more information.

Let me know if you have further questions. Qcne (talk) 13:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ok sure. Thanks for the help btw. I am not very good at any of this. And yeah ok you called it - I did use LLM for a lot of it, then corrected certain things, then have LLM rewrite it to correct grammar etc.

in the way of neutral point of view, is this better?

Robert Nailon

Robert Nailon (born 1945) is an Australian bodybuilder, photographer, and artist. He is recognized for his involvement in bodybuilding and his photographic work within the sport.

Early Life

Robert Nailon was born in Sydney, Australia, to Michael and Elizabeth Nailon. Raised in Sydney's eastern suburbs, he developed an interest in drawing and sports during his youth. Nailon was also passionate about cars and photography, frequently driving sports cars along Sydney's beaches. In 1963, he met Paul Graham, a future official with the International Federation of Bodybuilding & Fitness (IFBB), which influenced his career path .

Career

Bodybuilding and Photography

Nailon's engagement with bodybuilding began in his youth. He became known within the bodybuilding community both for his participation in the sport and for his photography. His images have appeared in several bodybuilding magazines, including Muscular Development, Musclemag International, Muscle Training Illustrated, Strength & Health, and Health & Strength .

Nailon's photography has been noted for documenting the bodybuilding scene in Australia and abroad. His work is considered a significant record of the sport during his active years .

Gym Ownership

In 1974, Nailon opened a gym in Randwick, Sydney. The gym attracted bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts and was known for its facilities. Nailon managed the gym until 1992 .

Relationship with Arnold Schwarzenegger

Nailon is known for his professional relationship with Arnold Schwarzenegger, whom he photographed during Schwarzenegger's visits to Australia starting in 1972. Nailon's photographs from this period have been widely recognized and referenced in discussions about Schwarzenegger's career and bodybuilding history .

Nailon was present at the 1980 Mr. Olympia competition, a notable event in Schwarzenegger's career. His photographs and accounts of the event have been referenced in various sources .

Legacy and Recognition

Nailon's contributions to bodybuilding, particularly through his photography, have been recognized within the community. His work continues to be appreciated for its historical and artistic value Scottnailon (talk) 02:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Scottnailon That's better. I would remove the entire Legacy and Recognition section, as it is a bit promotional.

The key thing is that every single statement in that draft must be backed up by a reliable source. Starting with the date of birth. Examples include:

1. "He is recognized for his involvement" < recognised by whom?
2. "which influenced his career path" < influenced how?
3. "He became known within the bodybuilding community both for his participation in the sport and for his photography" < evidence?
4. "been noted for documenting the bodybuilding" < noted by whom?
5. "His work is considered a significant record of the sport" < considered by whom?
6. "Nailon is known for his professional relationship" < known how?
7. "Nailon's photographs from this period have been widely recognized and referenced" < source?
8. "accounts of the event have been referenced in various sources" < source?

Hope that helps. Qcne (talk) 10:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Gosh that is so difficult to go do! Most of his stuff is in old magazines and said publicly but different authorities. I will have to dig deep. Scottnailon (talk) 12:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sources can be offline, as long as they are published. You'll need to correctly reference them so that a reader can verify the source by e.g. going to a library or archive. Qcne (talk) 12:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi,@Qcne

I have read the criera and understood TOI . Thanks for information it will help me for upcoming my drafts. I have remove the TOI Ref and others are making it notable . when u have time kindly review it Draft:Bhavya Trikha Monhiroe (talk) 12:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Mane358 (talk) 12:18, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

What assistance do you require, @Mane358? This is the English language Wikipedia, we do not allow other languaegs. Qcne (talk) 12:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply