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Found more areas controlled by Indian EAOs[edit]
"Pounyu village and Woilan Kingphu village" in Lahe township near New Pangsha village https://morungexpress.com/general-store-at-itc-dan-a-lifeline-for-naga-villages-under-myanmar
Also PDF forces have a presence along the Hkamti-Lahe road IdioticAnarchist (talk) 03:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Likely coords for those villages are: ပုံညိုရွာ၊ လဟယ်မြို့နယ် and ဝေလံရွာ၊ လဟယ်မြို့နယ် - with Wailan being in Ponyu village tract. I've included these and Chen Hoyat in UNFLWESEA's control on the new map. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 01:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Where is Pounyu, Woilan, and Chen Hoyat on the map? It appears that Pounya and Woilan are in Lahe Township, while the map only shows IIG (Indian Insurgent Group) territory in Layshi? Also, I don't think I've found a map of Chen Hoyat so I don't know where it is, but I may have just forgotten considering I have pretty bad memory. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 20:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, using Google Earth I've found the location of both Chen Hoyat and Chen Throilo (which I've seen mentioned in several articles) and both are in Lahe Township near Pounyu and Woilan, which is not shown on the map. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 23:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ah thats my bad I confused the border squiggle with the wrong squiggle. You can get the locations of Ponyu and Wailan on the burmese articles I linked.
- I can probably update the map again later tonight-
- 1) What's the change with Tedim, just that it's contested?
- 2) I think I agree with Hsi Hseng contested- but you wanted hold off. Still disagree right? EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 23:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd say that putting Hsi Hseng as contested is right; and yes, Tedim is contested. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 23:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm very sorry, I completely forgot to mention this, but apparently the DKBA-5 controls the Three Pagodas Pass https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/chinese-telecom-scammers-expand-operations-three-pagoda-pass and the KNLA de facto control most of Payathonzu https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/knu-consolidates-full-control-over-three-pagodas-pass-payathonzu-area-administration-spite (and a few months ago Kyaikdon was captured by KNLA forces https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-military-commanders-replaced-in-rakhine-mon-and-karen-states-sources.html) IdioticAnarchist (talk) 01:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, using Google Earth I've found the location of both Chen Hoyat and Chen Throilo (which I've seen mentioned in several articles) and both are in Lahe Township near Pounyu and Woilan, which is not shown on the map. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 23:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Where is Pounyu, Woilan, and Chen Hoyat on the map? It appears that Pounya and Woilan are in Lahe Township, while the map only shows IIG (Indian Insurgent Group) territory in Layshi? Also, I don't think I've found a map of Chen Hoyat so I don't know where it is, but I may have just forgotten considering I have pretty bad memory. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 20:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
The map colors for “Arakan Army” and “Indian Insurgent Groups” need to be differentiated[edit]
They look so similar that they’re almost the same color; I can’t tell which parts of the map are controlled by which entity. LordOfWalruses (talk) 20:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
I need some help with this source about Border Guard Forces (+NDA-K areas)[edit]
https://mmpeacemonitor.org/313251/border-guard-force-scheme/
This source includes the actual areas controlled by Border Guard Forces, not just their townships. Most of these are self-explanatory and I can find them on maps, but there's areas noted that I'm gonna suppose are smaller towns that I cannot find. These include:
- "Gant Gwan", Kachin (I'm guessing Gawyawm?)
"Lupi", Kachin(Found on this map as north of Pang War https://reliefweb.int/map/myanmar/myanmar-chipwi-township-kachin-state-20-april-2020-enmy)- "Sin Kyaing", Kachin (Maybe "Shan Keng"? https://www.themimu.info/sites/themimu.info/files/documents/Tsp_Map_VL_Waingmaw_-_Kachin_MIMU154v05_20Apr2020_A1_Eng.pdf)
- "Pantain", Kayah
- "Soppai", Kayah
- "Pantawmi", Kayin
- "Kyonhtaw", Kayin
- "Kataihte", Kayin
- "Tanta-Oo", Kayin
- "Dawlan", Kayin
- "Maepalae", Kayin (I'm guessing Mepale?)
- "Taw-Oak", Kayin
- "Htiwakalay", Kayin
- "Hteehuthan", Kayin
- "Atwin-kwin-kalay", Kayin
If anyone knows at least a bit of Burmese, can you perhaps give a little help here?
Also, apparently the New Democratic Army - Kachin controls Tsawlaw https://asiafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Militias-in-Myanmar.pdf the "Sidone" area of Waingmaw https://www.frontiermyanmar.net/en/divide-and-rule-in-kachin-state/ and maybe Hpimaw and Kambaiti (which might be referring to the Pass https://geographic.org/geographic_names/name.php?uni=-614015&fid=687&c=burma) https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/pro-govt-militias-fueling-drugs-crisis-northern-burma-report.htmlIdioticAnarchist (talk) 02:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Mon and PDF Resistance control along the Union Highway[edit]
"The Mon State Revolutionary Force and allies have managed to secure control over a section of the Union Highway running from southern Ye Township to Yebyu Township in Tanintharyi Region."
https://www.frontiermyanmar.net/en/a-fledgling-mon-resistance-spreads-its-wings/
And PDF https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/intense-battle-junta-over-control-ye-dawei-road IdioticAnarchist (talk) 16:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Map edits (June)[edit]
It's the end of the month, therefore it's time to update the map. Cheers y'all!
Nitpicks and suggestions:
- Mohnyin is not disputed
- I believe that small villages shouldn't be included on the map because of how minor they are
- Should the Chin Council and Chin Brotherhood be shown as seperate entities (considering they're kinda enemies and don't like each other)? It can confuse people if, on the map, enemies are shown as the same colour.
Indisputable Edits:
- AA presence around the Thandwe-Taungup highway (Gawt village captured) https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/arakan-army-less-than-2-km-from-myanmars-thandwe-airport.html https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/battle-thandwes-ma-zin-airports-underway-hotel-residents-trapped-junta-battalions-fight-prevent
- AA Taungup contested (from the north via Taungup University) https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/aa-launches-offensive-capture-tanungup
- AA presence around Taungup-Pandaung road https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/aa-ambushes-junta-troops-en-route-taungup
- AA captured Thandwe Airport https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/aa-seizes-thandwe-airport-near-rakhines-ngapali-beach-local-sources-say.html
- AA presence around Ngapai Beach https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/fighting-famous-ngapali-beach-aa-army-tries-knock-out-2-last-junta-bases-thandwe
- CDF-Matupi captured township's district administrative office on the Matupi-Hakha road https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/operation-chin-brotherhood-sees-swift-success-against-myanmar-junta-troops.html
- CBA captured Matupi and surrounding junta bases https://www.rfa.org/burmese/news/matupi-chin-brotherhood-occupied-06292024125225.html
- TNLA captured Kyaukme https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/op-1027-update-tnla-captures-seven-myanmar-junta-bases-two-battalion-hqs.html
- TNLA + PDF captured Naunghkio https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/tnla-seizes-town-and-myanmar-regime-positions-in-northern-shan-state.html
- TNLA captured Kyatpyin Police Station and entered eastern Mogok (attempting to encircled junta forces in Mogok) https://bur.mizzima.com/2024/06/27/25670
- TNLA in Mongmit Township https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/op-1027-update-tnla-captures-seven-myanmar-junta-bases-two-battalion-hqs.html
- PDF attacked Budalin https://bur.mizzima.com/2024/06/29/25807
- KIA captured Waingmaw-Sadung-Kanpaikti road (captured Sadung) https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/kia-captures-5-military-bases-one-day-sadung-waingmaw-road-declared-junta-free-zone
- NDA-K control Phimaw (Hpimaw) https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/kia-seizes-three-junta-positions-in-battle-for-myanmar-china-trade-route.html
- junta control Hsi Hseng https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/junta-column-advances-hsihseng-mongpai-loikaw-intersection-southern-shan-state
- Junta captured Loikaw-Mobye-Hsi Hseng intersection https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/junta-column-advances-hsihseng-mongpai-loikaw-intersection-southern-shan-state
- Karenni captured Maesalawng Hill https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/resistance-forces-seize-junta-base-maesalawng-hill
- KNLA captured Kyaikdon a while ago https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-military-commanders-replaced-in-rakhine-mon-and-karen-states-sources.html
- Mon/Karen/PDF control Ye-Dawei Union Highway https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/junta-prepares-counter-offensive-recapture-gains-made-mon-resistance https://www.frontiermyanmar.net/en/a-fledgling-mon-resistance-spreads-its-wings/ https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/intense-battle-junta-over-control-ye-dawei-road
Disputable Edits:
- TNLA attacking Hsipaw and (possibly) Momeik https://www.rfa.org/burmese/news/tnla-military-posts-seized-06272024120947.html
- NDA-K control "Gant Gwan", Lupi, and "Sin Kyaing" https://mmpeacemonitor.org/313251/border-guard-force-scheme/ (Found Lupi on this map, but cannot find the other villages)
Very Disputable Edits: (needs more research or has articles disputing it, but good to note)
- DKBA and KNLA de facto control Three Pagodas Pass and Payathonzu https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/chinese-telecom-scammers-expand-operations-three-pagoda-pass https://www.bnionline.net/en/news/knu-consolidates-full-control-over-three-pagodas-pass-payathonzu-area-administration-spite
- NDA-K control "Sidone" https://www.frontiermyanmar.net/en/divide-and-rule-in-kachin-state/ (old source)
- NDA-K maybe controls Tsawlaw and Chipwi https://asiafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Militias-in-Myanmar.pdf https://mmpeacemonitor.org/313251/border-guard-force-scheme/ (They probably don't and these sources are giving rough estimations of the area they control)
IdioticAnarchist (talk) 19:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- What do you mean by small villages? Right now the standard that the base map uses and that I've modified is- township capitals are shown. Smaller villagers are shown if particularly relevant to the specific update (e.g. Chinshwehaw when it was taken, Dotphonenyan when it was taken, etc.); i don't remove those dots but will remove the labelled name to reduce clutter. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 21:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- By "small villages" I was specifically talking about Somra and possibly Moe Bye. I just think that the map should only include larger, more important settlements (towns and higher). Of course, that is just my opinion. Also, I was under the impression that Chinshwehaw and Dotphonenyan were towns? Google says they are. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 21:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- They are but not township capitals. Mobye is a village but it used to be the capital of the relatively large historical Karenni state iirc- It's also three times larger than Pekon, the township capital so tbh I'm always surprised when I remember that it's not even a town, much less having its own township. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 00:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wow, I did not know any of that! That's good to know! It does seem a bit strange that it isn't "Moebye Township". IdioticAnarchist (talk) 02:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- They are but not township capitals. Mobye is a village but it used to be the capital of the relatively large historical Karenni state iirc- It's also three times larger than Pekon, the township capital so tbh I'm always surprised when I remember that it's not even a town, much less having its own township. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 00:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- By "small villages" I was specifically talking about Somra and possibly Moe Bye. I just think that the map should only include larger, more important settlements (towns and higher). Of course, that is just my opinion. Also, I was under the impression that Chinshwehaw and Dotphonenyan were towns? Google says they are. IdioticAnarchist (talk) 21:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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