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Category:Rātana politicians

Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. No need to merge, the subcategory is already in the tree of the three potential targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are we certain there are no Rātana people who stood but were not elected? I would prefer to keep ‘politicians’, but delete ‘MPs’. If that is not preferred, then yes, I would still delete ‘politicians’. — HTGS (talk) 00:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: there seems to be a lot of confusion in this category (and in articles relating to Rātana as a political force). Some of these people are adherents of the Rātana faith who became MPs, others of them were MPs for the Rātana Party or (after affiliation with the Labour Party) MPs officially endorsed by the Rātana church. Soraya Peke-Mason, for example, is a Rātana, but not an official Rātana-endorsed MP. If that can be cleared up I'd support Marcocapelle's second suggestion (merging MPs into politicians). Grutness...wha? 14:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Native American artists by gender

Nominator's rationale: If there are concerns that lead to categories such as Category:American male artists (and similar articles) being treated as non-diffusing, it seems that the same rationale should apply to Native American artists. (Apologies if I've made any formatting errors. This is my first time submitting a cfd.) Katya (talk) 21:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, then I modify to: Merge Category:Native American male artists to Category:Native American artists, per WP:OCEGRS unless there is indication that male Native American artists are a notable topic in themselves. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So, it looks like there's been discussion in the past about whether or not there should be any "male artist" categories, without any consensus. In the absence of consensus to delete them, I think we should keep the Native American male artist categories, in keeping with other paired male / female artist categories elsewhere on the site. (Or we could revisit the issue of whether "male artist" categories should exist at all, but I think that's a separate issue. Again, my original question was just whether or not the categories should be non-diffusing.) Katya (talk) 01:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Politicians of the Second Polish Republic

Nominator's rationale: The contents seem to be broader than political office-holders, so "from" will be more appropriate than "of". – Fayenatic London 11:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, while "from" is the default, I think "of" is also a good possibility for politicians and for military personnel. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Of" is fitting for political office-holders, but we don't use it for politicians generally. I suppose we have "opposition politicians of a country" who are appointed to a formal role, but e.g. revolutionaries or independence activists would be better described as "from" the country. – Fayenatic London 22:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for consistency and given the broader scope of the category. Mason (talk) 21:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Politicians of the Korean Empire

Nominator's rationale: Either (A) purge and rename to political office-holders, removing some e.g. Syngman Rhee who was born under the Empire but IIUC not a politician until it ended; or (B) rename to Category:Politicians from the Korean Empire, because where there is no demonym we usually use "Politicians from" rather than "of" (see various siblings in Category:Politicians by former country). – Fayenatic London 15:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • At least purge, possibly rename, people who weren't a politician in the Korean Empire do not belong here. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Politicians of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan

Nominator's rationale: Purge and rename. E.g. Abdul Rashid Dostum was a military officer, not a politician, of the DRA (1978–1992). – Fayenatic London 15:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Muppet performers

Nominator's rationale: Performers by performance is textbook WP:PERFCAT. --woodensuperman 09:58, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These actors are on contract with either Jim Henson Company or Disney (Muppet), Sesame Workshop (Sesame Street), or Jim Henson Company (Fraggle Rock), to perform numerous roles. Such contracts are incredibly rare, and even the most finite involvement with any of them, the puppeteer remains known as having been part of the troupe, akin to a college alumni category.
For reference, they also each play endless characters, so it's not really by performance.
I'd propose Category:Muppet Studios performers, Category:Sesame Workshop performers, and Category:Jim Henson Company performers. -- Zanimum (talk) 23:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, especially the Muppet category. They're distinct performances/performers, categories and brands of puppeteering. Scanlan (talk) 01:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships

Nominator's rationale: Harmonizing subcategory names in the Category:IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championship. Please see also the previous discussion here. Maiō T. (talk) 17:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The nomenclature aligns with the official name of the tournament as used by the IIHF. Spitzmauskc (talk) 15:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The naming is unnecessarily redundant. The proposal is equivalent to "1999 International Ice Hockey Federation Ice Hockey Women's World Championships". What logical reason is there to say ice hockey twice? Seems like the parent category should be discussed, not the children. Flibirigit (talk) 11:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The IIHF uses "IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championship" on all official documentation. I suspect the inclusion of 'Ice Hockey' has its roots in the period during which the IIHF also organized the IIHF Inline Hockey World Championship. While I don’t disagree that the name may read as redundant, I do see value in maintaining the official name and feel the inclusion of 'Ice Hockey' is a helpful indicator for readers who may not be familiar with the IIHF acronym. Spitzmauskc (talk) 19:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:IIHF World Women's U18 Championships

Nominator's rationale: Official tournament name as used by the IIHF. Maiō T. (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Spitzmauskc (talk) 15:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lists of films by year

Nominator's rationale: A prior discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 January 11#Lists of films by country or language split the "Lists of YYYY films by country or language" subcategories that used to be here into separate country and language categories, which is fine and I'm not disputing that result -- but now this category is a bit confusing and difficult to navigate because of its mixture of two categories (one by country and one by language) per year for virtually every year after 1920. So now that by-country and by-language are two separate sets of categories rather than one set of merged ones, they should actually be split up to their own separate parent categories rather than being mixed together in the same place.
This can certainly still be kept as a parent for those two new subcategories, if desired, but the by-country and by-language categories really should be split up into separate subcategories. Bearcat (talk) 14:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Yes, the lists should be kept seperate I think.♦ Dr. Blofeld 05:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any thoughts Ser Amantio di Nicolao? Bearcat's proposal makes sense I think. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 05:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Defunct National Basketball League of Canada teams

Nominator's rationale: The NBLC itself is defunct. User:Namiba 14:44, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Quebec Kebs

Nominator's rationale: Defunct minor league team containing no articles except the team article, the arena it temporarily inhabited, and the coaches category. User:Namiba 14:43, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Punjabi people by occupation

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection between occupation and ethnicity. There is mostly no need to merge, the articles are already in a parallel Indian or Pakistani category if applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:29, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like a notable intersection [5][6]--User:Namiba 14:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is mainly about Indian descent, as the second link also illustrates. Hardly any of these articles is about someone of Pakistani descent, while a clear majority of Punjabi are Pakistanis. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Remote viewing

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. This is a fringe subject with only three articles and one subcat, which has a tendentious name (there are no "remote viewers", remote viewing is nonsense). Creator is permabanned and globally locked. Guy (help! - typo?) 21:32, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • If not deleted, it may be renamed to Category:Stargate Project, that is what the category and subcategory are primarily about. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Even that is a small category with no hope of expansion (because it doesn't exist any more). Guy (help! - typo?) 15:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I will note that WP:SMALLCAT is no longer a guideline.
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  • Keep but Upmerge Category:Remote viewers to Category:Remote viewing. Nom is correct that this is a fringe subject generally considered pseudoscience, and the claim that anyone is a "remote viewer" is WP:SUBJECTIVECAT / WP:OPINIONCAT. But I think we can put them in the parent category as people making claims about remote viewing, which at least has a main article. This seems to solve most issues pointed out by nom. I just think they nominated the wrong category to be changed. NLeeuw (talk) 15:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep both as sufficiently well populated to be useful for navigation. People are normally categorised separately from topics, see WP:SEPARATE, and the remote viewers category has parents which look useful for navigation. Hella Hammid is not mentioned in the main article, but states that "Hammid was also a remote viewer who worked with Russell Targ and Harold E. Puthoff at SRI International doing work for the CIA" with five citations, so the involvement of these persons is sufficiently well documented. – Fayenatic London 10:02, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Communism in the Arab world

Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:OVERLAPCAT. All children are already in parents Category:Communism in Asia and Category:Communism in Asia (part of the Category:Political movements by continent tree), as well as Category:Communism by country). On the other hand, Category:Arab communists is in the Category:People by ethnicity and political orientation tree, which has been inappropriately intersected with the trees above. NLeeuw (talk) 06:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Added Conservatism and Monarchism which are very similar situations. Other siblings could be nominated as well, but I suggest we do them as follow-ups in order to not make this nomination overly complicated. NLeeuw (talk) 06:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Continental Singers

Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation to have a category that's with two pages (just the band and their discography) Mason (talk) 03:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. The discography page doesn't look like it would survive an AfD as is anyway, and I'm not even sure the main article would. Regardless, the main article doesn't look likely to spawn any more additional pages any time soon, so the category would be staying at two entries. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, the articles are already interlinked directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Housing rights organizations in Nashville

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in this category, which is uphelpful for navigation. If not merged, it should be renamed to Housing rights organizations based in Nashville, Tennessee Mason (talk) 03:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television in Cleveland

Nominator's rationale: Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 18#Category:Chicago television shows. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 03:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not all content is about original programming. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Most of these categories have scopes that go beyond television programming. No objection to creating subcategories for programming, where appropriate. - Eureka Lott 05:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose renaming, but support creation of subcategories. The proposed categories could legitimately be created as subcategories of the "Television in" categories where there are enough programs to support one, but just doing a straight rename of the "Television in" categories isn't appropriate as they don't only contain original local programs — they also have subcategories for (and/or directly contain) television stations, and people, and television programs that were national Hollywood productions set or filmed in that place but not "original" local-channel programming per se. I'll grant that they're misfiled as subcategories of a "local television programming" tree, so that should be moved to subcategories if they get created, but these categories don't only contain original local programming. Bearcat (talk) 14:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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