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In the section called 'Matsui's reaction to the massacre', I request for where it says "On December 1937, as General Iwane Matsui began to comprehend the full extent of the rape, murder, and looting in the city, he grew increasingly dismayed" to "On December 1937, as General Iwane Matsui began to comprehend the full extent of the rape, torture, murder, and looting in the city, he grew increasingly dismayed" please. 95.147.145.134 (talk) 13:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I request for where It says "Rape and looting was widespread" to "Rape, torture, and looting was widespread". 95.147.145.134 (talk) 21:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a source that states that torture was widespread? I see sources for widespread rape and looting in the article but not torture. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Ferien (talk) 22:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Image of person stabed in their genitals
Hi there everyone! I want to argue that the image of the person stabed in their genitals is unnecessary and does not enough for the article to warrent such an extreme image.
I guess its purpose is to depict the extremes of the massacre. As much as I get that I though want to ask if that is necessary? (similarly with some other close images of single corpses, mostly children) Nsae Comp (talk) 22:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:NOTCENSORED and WP:PROFANE, no they should not be removed. The images have captions which tie them into the article in an encyclopaedic fashion. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not disputing that thei caption is encyclopaedic. I am questioning if they are necessary. As above WP:PROFANE and WP:Manual of Style/Images states:"Material that would be considered vulgar or obscene by typical Wikipedia readers should be used if and only if its omission would cause the article to be less informative, [...]" ... so once again: is it a necessary image to warrent the offensive- and disrepectfulness of the image? Is the article less informative if only the caption remains as normal text or does the reader get more knowledgable by seeing this image? Nsae Comp (talk) 23:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The captions make little sense without the image itself, furthermore without images it's easy to say 'okay X wrote about but is there proof'. Traumnovelle (talk) 23:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia doesnt need to proove anything, it has to only reference the proof. So I really dont see the necessity of the image. It is not adding to the informativeness of the article. Well at least if you dont find it informative to see how stabed genitals look like. Also, why are we censoring other such images from the massacre? Why this one? Why is it so informative? Nsae Comp (talk) 00:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All images of a massacre will be obscene or vulgar, massacres are brutal things. It's odd to talk about John Magee and the images he captured without including them. They're of value to the reader which is why they've been in the article for so long. They're included with tertiary sources talking about the event as well. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:36, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not disputeing anything you said. But I am still asking why is this one included, why is it so important to warrent the degree of imagery. My argument is, that the following image of the old lady at the site is more than enough. Nsae Comp (talk) 05:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only valid reason to argue for it's removal is that the photo does not actually relate to the Nanking Massacre. Arguments about offensive aren't valid. Other articles like the Manila massacre also have an offensive image in the article. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
level-4 vital article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Done
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Ferien (talk) 22:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
