Talk:Baritone horn

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Where did it go? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.138.43.78 (talk) 03:10, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it's me, but I find this passage confusing:

"The baritone horn - a saxhorn - is closer in relation to the trombone and trumpet with a cylindrical bore. The euphonium is closer in nature to the horn and tuba with its conical bore."

Isn't that backwards? A saxhorn has a conical bore. (The entry on the saxhorn says it has a "tapered bore". I am assuming that is the same as a "conical bore") Thus, if the baritone is a saxhorn, how can it be closer to instruments with a cylindrical bore? Also, if the euphonium has a conical bore, doesn't it become, by defintion, a saxhorn? Admittedly, even when I played them I never distinguished the terminology, and I understand that the British and US terms differ.

The first paragraph states that the baritone horn has a conical bore. However, later in the article, it says that "The baritone has a smaller and more cylindrical bore." To my knowledge, the baritone horn has a cylindrical bore, while the euphonium has a conical bore, and that is one of the main differences between the two. Andrewtoering (talk) 04:18, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I took out the image request tag on this page because someone has added a photo to the article. Jeffmatt 07:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"In the UK a baritone horn...is a bass Saxhorn in Bb....The baritone is a mellow instrument in concert pitch." Isn't there something wrong here - how can it be Bb and concert pitch? TKA

No: Two different concepts are involved. The "Bb" refers to the fact that the instrument is tuned in such a way that the fundamental tone you get when no valves are pressed is a Bb (the next two harmonics are then the fifth of the Bb scale, and then Bb an octave up from the original). The "concert pitch" part refers to the fact that the baritone is not a transposing instrument (so an A on a baritone is an A in concert pitch). Contrast this to the trumpet where a C played on the trumpet sounds as a Bb in concert pitch. Anyway, the article could potentially clarified, but it's not incorrect. JPrice

"It is one of the few saxhorns that was played in ancient times (...)"

According to Saxhorn, that instrument was invented in the 1830s, so one can hardly claim that they were used in "ancient times" (unless you use a perverse definition of the phrase). Can someone who knows about the subject fix this? Hairy Dude 01:09, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I play what I believe to be a Euphonium but what I keep hearing called a Baritone, so I was happy to find out that they are different.

I read the cornet article and it had a subhead dedicated to similarities to the trumpet: could this be done for baritone/euphonium?

As a baritone player in a British brass band, these are my views on the subject: When viewed with the flugel horn, tenor (E flat) horn, and the EE flat and BB flat tubas (or basses in brass band terminology), it is obvious that the baritone is more a horn and the euphonium more a tuba. In orchestral circles the euphonium is known as a tenor tuba. The sound produced by the baritone is similar to a horn, while the sound from a euphonium is more of a tuba sound.

Keith Eves, 21 March 2006.

The range as shown on the right-hand-side box appears to show a range of F1 through F5. Surely, this cannot be correct! I would put the common range of the three-valve non-compensating instrument shown at E2 through perhaps D5 (or a bit higher if the performer is up to the job). The E2 will usually be quite sharp on a non-compensating instrument, as will the F above it.

Chuck Guzis, 8 Feb. 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.210.31.26 (talk) 19:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are in fact right, I play the baritone a bit, and most of my pieces include notes as high as a B, or even a Middle C. So yes, the range is incorrect. I will try to find another image to replace the current. 1bevingtonco (talk) 18:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The range shown is correct; the notes may not be commonly played but most advanced players will be able to play them. The range is the same as that of a straight tenor trombone. Please don't alter this.Benny the wayfarer (talk) 00:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, because most of my notes in pieces I play tend to waver around the higher pitches than the lower ones, but I won't altar the range. 1bevingtonco (talk) 20:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, do you mean that the notes themselves waver, they wobble in other words, or that that's where the notes are? i find higher notes hard , but i suppose it takes time and practise and the chops do get stronger eventually. listen to Don Drummond with the Skatalites for high range! what a trombonist.Benny the wayfarer (talk) 22:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Higher notes are indeed harder, because they require faster air to execute the pitch, but I find that the notes are rather higher than lower, that's all. 1bevingtonco (talk) 18:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Chuck, the low end should be E2. A normal, 3 valve baritone can only go down to that E (same as a straight, tenor trombone). Although Pedal tones are possible, they do not count as normal notes. There are 2 kinds of 4-valve baritones, one with the 4th valve next to the other 3, and one with the 4th valve on the bottom. I'm not sure exactly how much the 4th valve affects the range, but the range should be changed to show a normal baritone range and a note about 4-valve baritones and their range. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.36.79.10 (talk) 16:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i dont understand the difference in wich the valves change th sound —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.200.215 (talk) 09:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ok so the valves change the way the air flows, BUT to truly get into the upper and lower registers, you must tighten(to get higher) or loosen(to get lower) your lips.--24.216.121.135 (talk) 18:38, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Within the high school and college marching band activity, marching baritones are nearly always present to facilitate concert baritone (and sometimes euphonium) players. In some ensembles, trombones are not used, in which case baritones also provide an alternative for trombonists who can't bring their instrument onto the marching field. Since many high school baritone and euphonium players migrate from the trumpet, the instruments of choice have always been in the key of B♭."

This last Marching Band section seems confusing to me. When are trombones not used? No citation. Do trombone players really have to double on baritone in some bands? How common is this? And do many high school players really migrate from trumpet? Not in my band during the 1960s. And how does that explain the Eb Alto horn? The paragraph has the sound of one person's personal experience. If I was going to be bold, I'd eliminate the whole paragraph, but I'm not a professional music educator, so I don't know the answers to my own questions for sure.

MarkBul (talk) 17:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]