opening an american shop/restaurant outside usa is an instance of american culture abroad, but not necessarily americanising that place. you wouldnt say a sushi bar is japanisation right? RZuo (talk) 19:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel this category should be deleted. There are only two files in this category which are just different scans of the same image. It also doesn't accurately describe the content of the category. There is only one flag of White Plains, New York, which was adopted in the 20th century. The flags depicted on this stamp are of the United States and a battle flag used by American forces at the Battle of White Plains and other battles in the American Revolutionary War. You can read more here. At the very least, this category would need to be moved to "Flag of the Battle of White Plains on stamps." Denniscabrams (talk) 14:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A lot of these "Flags of" categories being created by @אוריאל כ: are totally unnecessary. As well as just wrongly named to begin with. Which seems to be their MO. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you just asking for it to be changed to lower case? If so, that requires a move, not a discussion. I see the same issue with one of the subcategories. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
this should be turned into disambiguation page. right now some files show something that protrude. some show projection from projectors (devices that display graphics on a screen).
Oppose Lets just do it the other way around (REDIR “QR codes” to “Quick response codes”). I'd like a world of precise namings (no to gallery pages or categories using abbrevations such as PJ, USA, NATO, etc.). Sincerely, --Mateus2019 (talk) 18:12, 4 March 2024 (UTC) P.S. Your input (except this one) is very valuable and keep this up. I notice your edits daily.[reply]
Support. same reason as the reasons above. I'm not a native speaker but I doubt most natives know the meaning of "QR code" or even care in this case, as this is not Wikipedia. Juwan (talk) 07:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's the problem, other categories have some split about this, see Category:Île-de-France by century, but not in a single one is a definition included, what belongs where and why. When and how have the borders officially changed? Must some content sorted to present-day while other must be contemporary? No explanation. Nobody is supposed to know, it seems. --Enyavar (talk) 13:37, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The current structure looks like it was not created by accident, and I felt unfamiliar with the possibly serious intention behind it, so I felt it was better to discuss beforehand. So far, I see Irish, Dutch and German editors in agreement ♥, but I think some French Wikimedians should look it over and sign off on our reasoning - or explain why they might disagree. I don't think we should do anything in a hurry here. --Enyavar (talk) 15:23, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Move to Category:Al-Rashid massacre, opening fire on civilians and killing over 100 in any other situation would be deemed a massacre. Doesn't matter what enwiki calls it, they have always shown a biased position on wars/invasion/genocides involving the US and Israel. A few other language wikis who have this article have called it a massacre too. The definition for massacre is "an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of many people"...let me put it this way, if those were Russian soldiers opening fire on ukranians civilians trying to get food from aid trucks, what do you think enwiki would have called their article on this? The best thing about commons is that we have always been neutral cause we provide for 700+ wikis and not controlled by ONE, so lets categorise accordingly.....the word "Incident" is degrading to the 118+ lives lost in that massacre..--Stemoc05:13, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Category:Al-Rashid stampede and shooting, massacre implies this was a deliberate act by IDF rather than a preventable tragedy that the IDF is largely responsible for. I think incident is as bad as massacre as far as inaccuracy. I would also accept "Al-Rashid deaths" or "Al-Rashid killings". Merriam-Webster defines massacre as https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/massacre " the act or an instance of killing a number of usually helpless or unresisting human beings under circumstances of atrocity or cruelty" Abzeronow (talk) 17:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
are you saying those people waiting for food, most of whom were hungry for days if not weeks now and just wanted some food were not helpless and were resisting getting aid?; stampede and shooting is laughable, isn't "shooting" what you americans calls the massacre of school kids at schools in your country by "lone wolf's"? (another word invented to hide the real problem).. yeah this is the issue with enwiki, its run by biased Americans who use a different work to underplay the truth of the atrocities of the crimes committed..A country which calls invading a country and killing millions of innocent people a "military intervention" is not a country's whose opinions matter on what a genocide or massacre is. I have seen the voting of the renaming of this on enwiki and its disturbingly, sad, very sad...Maybe follow international news on whats happening in Gaza right now instead of the biased American news media like foxnews and CNN..no other news is calling what happened here an "incident", its a massacre and it has been happening for 6 months now.. Stemoc01:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we Americans do have a mass shooting problem because many value easy access to guns more than the lives of children. These shootings are perpetrated by those who often have a history of "domestic violence" (which those who commit terrorism also have a history of). On the rest of this reply, I'll just state that I disagree and I will leave it at that. Abzeronow (talk) 17:11, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i think, for categories of new concepts (an event in this case) that are controversial in the real world such as this, commons users can wait until the real world reaches a conclusion on what to call it.
commons categories is just a tool for grouping together files hosted on this website. it's not commons users' responsibility to decide what name is proper before the real world has a conclusion.
is there a template that users can put on such categories, that says something like "this category title is a temporary placeholder. it may be changed in the future. for the convenience of users, it should not be changed until a commonly accepted name is found through community discussion."? RZuo (talk) 13:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
actually, even for category titles that have been decided, there can be a template saying something similar, that the category title is just a tool of convinience. it doesnt imply that commons users hold a particular point of view. RZuo (talk) 14:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, ideally yes, I agree with you. However the media is uploaded in real time before consensus develops on what to call these real life events, and I would even agree with a disclaimer that categories are for ease to finding things, and doesn't imply anything as far as the viewpoints of Commons users. So things are a bit messy before consensus develops. I can understand the need for caution for these events so I can see why someone would chose "incident" even though it completely masks that many people died as a result of it, and I can see the viewpoints of those who want "massacre". Abzeronow (talk) 17:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jesus, what a horrible name.... its like someone murdered flour..it sometimes saddens me how low people on enwiki will go to to avoid using the word "genocide" just because they are afraid to piss certain people off...I don't think moving it to Flour Massacre here is a good idea, lets stick with what we were voting for....now if it was Al-Rashid food-Aid massacre or Al-Rashid Massacre, would have made more sense.. the 8 other non-biased wikis carrying it has called it the Al-Rashid Massacre so if we make any change here, it will be to that category.. IMO.. Stemoc11:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Stemoc in that "Al-Rashid massacre" is a better name than "Flour Massacre" and this is why we on Commons don't blindly follow what English Wikipedia does. Abzeronow (talk) 16:05, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He dropped the diacritical marks when he moved to the USA, you can see his application for citizenship and his passport application. I added an obituary and his death certificate. --RAN (talk) 19:58, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand why somebody would not consider this very useful and extraordinarily missing earlier. That other category is not enough – most of these are about particular activities only or about rather extraordinary events and activities which is what most popular media show instead of just daily life and common experience of a point in time and space. For example, a video summarizing one day of daily life of a normal person fits into this category.
This is for example the subject of Life in a Day (2011 film). Have you thought a bit about this? The key thing in this cat is that it does not contain files about any particular common experiences and activities like sleeping in a bed or going to shopping mall or traveling through a city, rather it shows media that have this as a specific subject or compile many such things into a meaningful summary-style media like the mentioned movie or File:One Day in the life.webm.
There's so many other ways to describe why and how this is useful, I didn't think that would be necessary but I could continue if more explanations are needed or just ask if something is unclear about it – one way to explain is that one may not be that interested in or only interested in things like wars in medieval times – rather I'd be interested how daily life of common people (that is not let's say a king or queen) at the time was like, as done in File:So wohnten die Menschen im antiken Rom (CC BY 4.0).webm which shows how people lived (dwelled) in ancient Rome. Wars and the life of the uppermost 0.001% is not all there is to a time-period. The media describes not any particular activities but provides meaningful information about daily life in a civilization at a time in spacetime such as ours at relatively high resolution but also the Maya civilization and whatnot; just see how few files there are in this category. It's obviously something where media is missing and that is for some reason neglected. It's the orthogonal concept to always showing unusual extraordinary events and it's missing media. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First of all User:Prototyperspective: please do not act so condescending when I (or someone else) am asking a question I do not know the answer of. On Commons editors often have different backgrounds and values, and we come from different cultures. You might find something totally normal, self-evident or very useful, while it might seem odd to me or someone else. Just be polite and try to be neutral in your answers.
Then my answers and remarks to your reply:
My interpretation of what this category is intended to be about: it is for media showing:
more than one activity, like a video summarizing one day of daily life of a normal person, diagrams showing how people currently spend their time on, and long-duration recordings of environmental sounds at a particular place;
how daily life of common people at the time was like, for instance during the Roman period, the Middle Ages or the Maya civilization; media can be photos, videos, sound recordings or other types.
Is this correct?
If yes, then the key question is: Do we need this category for this kind of media? Can other categories might do the same trick?
For the first intention (more than one activity): perhaps we need another category name that reflects better this intention, something with "multi".
For daily life:
We already have Category:Society of [location/group of people/tribe X]; Category:Culture of [idem], Category:People at work in [location], [period]; Category:Human activities in/by [location]/[people of], [period], etc. You can make any combination you want. What can you not accomodate here? And you can always make a gallery page.
Adding more subcategories, like Infrogmation of New Orleans and Prototyperspective suggest below (and what would make sense), will cause the same kind of trouble as Category:Everyday life caused years ago: "Within subcategories of Everyday life there are subcategories that do not belong to Everyday life. For example ... the Category:Sleeping people. Sleeping in your own bedroom at home is indeed Everyday life. But People sleeping on trains or Sleeping people under tree is not. Are we going to split the Category:Sleeping people (and many others)?"
So I suggest:
Rename this category for media showing more than one activity.
Delete it for the daily life part. Move the subcategories and files to other appropriate categories.
Okay, I don't think I was acting condescendingly but I may need to contain my worry that things may get deleted hastily just because of a combination of misunderstandings and low participation more.
Yes, like videos giving a reasonably rich picture of daily life of a society in a point in time or of an individual or group. That can be compilation videos, documentaries, meaningfully informative videos on common/prevalent components of daily lives, or long-duration/time-lapse videos – probably at best compilations when it comes to videos. That is not videos where the extraordinary things are picked – the ideal/best-in-scope would be showing a realistic accurate depiction of a mundane common day rather than extraordinary unusual things. Other cats are usually structured from the approach 'the more unusual the better' which is orthogonal to this approaches structure. Note that not many long-duration recordings fit here, only those that provide some meaningful content about daily human life in the present so maybe a few city soundscapes.
Exactly. It could also show the daily life of uncommon people such as some nobility but it would need to specify that and still summarize it – this is the case for File:Life aboard the ISS… which provides a meaningful/extensive picture of the daily life at this location / for these people.
No, other categories can't do this, for instance because they use the opposite approach as just mentioned. Files being here doesn't mean they can't also be in other categories like those about a specific culture or the ISS. None of the files here would be category-less if this category didn't exist but that's not the point.
The issue you pointed out is a good point but it's not a problem if it's contextualized as to only relate to this category through the relation "universally common human activities -> biological human functional behaviors" for instance. I'd suggest simply not making these subcategories and most linking a cat see also at the top to for example Cat:Human activities which contains such. An image showing how prevalent sleeping is and how many hours humans sleep on average could still be put here (directly or probably into the Time-use cat).
A hatnote could be added that usually media contained here is about more than one activity; however that doesn't have to be the case so I don't think it would that due since people could just explore the contents and find out that way.
So you want "not making these subcategories" (which I interprete as "not adding subcategories that usually should be added")?
Isn't that odd? So you are not making a proper category structure, like we usually do? How then can you come from categories about sleeping, eating, drinking, cooking, cleaning, and other activities we do daily, to this category?
And what subcategories should be in and which not? What are the limits/borders? Do you decide about that? Would that not be arbitrary?
What if existing subcategories are growing and need subcategories, for instance Category:Photos illustrating daily life of tribal people in Visakhapatnam? I guess you want to make subcategories like Photos illustrating working activities of tribal people in Visakhapatnam and/or taking care of children and so on. Shouldn't their parent categories be in this main category as subcategories, like we normally do (see point above)?
No, that is not what I said and I won't copy and paste what I just wrote above. If it's so important to you to clarify whether or not these can be subcategories, then just simply don't add them directly.
It's a proper category structure. Many categories aren't yet 100% completed. If you want to make this category contain everything it could contain then again you'd need to make intermediate categories but that's not needed since the relation of such specific daily activities like eating are just tangential; don't know why you are so fixated on these. You don't need to be able to come from there to here. There may also be some categories that are not part a subcat of Earth even though it relates to that, that doesn't mean either cat shouldn't exist.
I just clarified all that. The cat and its contents are fine as they are right now. People can add or remove stuff but it's fine as is except for all the time spent on this talk page.
I don't why we talk about so many what-ifs. They can both be somewhere in the subcategories, by spatiotemporal and activity, it doesn't really matter but from this approach over-categorization like that is best avoided. This is not ultra-fine-grained categorization so things are near-useless with current UIs like "Cat:1.73m tall women wearing yellow shirts retrieving water in cities in Ghana" – from this starting point it would at most be roughly like "Daily life of women in Ghana" (not portraits or super-fine grained overcategorization).
We talk about the category structure, the subcategories and so many what-ifs, because I expect that there is a clear and well-thought vision about the category structure of it, before you create a category like this (= a similar category has been deleted for good reasons; AND (what we did not discuss yet) it is a category with two subjects, "Daily life" and "common experience", what is not inline with the Commons:Categories#Selectivity principle which says "There should be one category per topic; multi-subject categories should be avoided."). I'm trying to find out what that vision is. That is important because a category like this can easily go off the rails, see the discussion of 2014. It would not be good for Commons to make that mistake again. So no, the cat and its contents are not fine as they are right now, because for a category like this, you have to take future expansions into account, by ignorant people who have their own thoughts for this category. Therefor it needs a clear descriptions with the kind of categories that do belong here and which dor not. JopkeB (talk) 17:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay so it should be clear by now that there is. The combination of two terms or the use of "and" in the cat-name is a good point – one could change it to just "Daily life" but the latter part makes it clearer that this is specifically about "common experience" of daily lives (such as that of an individual or a group or at some time etc.). It's just there to make it clearer what this is about and not really two different subjects; it's not multi-subject. Future expansions also need to be taken into accoutn for all other categories which is why WMC is a living project that is not done and finished but continuously refined, changed, and maintained – this applies to all other categories like for example "Documentary videos" or "Cat:Videos of sensory systems". Okay, that makes sense and that is why I added a brief clear category description to the top of the page. Prototyperspective (talk) 18:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Certainly mundane subjects and everyday life are in scope subjects, the question is useful ways to categorize such subjects. As the nomination notes, an earlier similar category was deleted earlier. We have categories for such more specific subsets like eating, sleeping, washing, walking as well as kitchens, bedrooms, offices, sidewalks, people at work, etc etc. I note such things are not subcategories of this category. Alternative suggestions as to how to categorize? -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 15:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is possible that these become subcategories; simply the broader perspective these are categorized into are from starting at this approach. For example, one could have:
this cat -> universally common human activities -> biological human functional behaviors -> Cat:People eating and Cat:Sleeping people
However, more on topic to this cat and thus in or close to the top layer of it are more general media like for example diagrams showing how people currently spend their time on or a full-day video of a person in time-lapse which could includ sleep. This should also clarify other confusion people had or have about what this cat is about. The top layer is not for random images, I moved some of these that are too relevant to remove outright into a new subcat "Photos illustrating daily life of tribal people in Visakhapatnam" this further illustrates how such issues are resolved: subcategorizing them into how they relate to this concept. Prototyperspective (talk) 17:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please do read the answers to the questions/concerns above. Also pinging a few people who contributed to the WP article of this very notable subject @Pirhayati, Jim.henderson, and David Condrey: . This is a key concept to sociology, the human condition, civilization, people's lives, society, economics, and more and has a translation to many other languages such as "Alltag" with the media contained in this category making it quite clear that this is useful so I don't know what the issue is. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think "daily life" and "common experience" are subjective descriptions that could contain everything or nothing. I don't find this to be a useful category tree at at all. -- Themightyquill (talk) 07:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Low-resolution example of what fits here "One Day in the life"Because you have neither read the above explanations nor looked at the contents for longer than 3 seconds. This is one of the most notable subjects there are, with some of the potentially most valuable media on WMC in the future, and all the other categories are structured by the approach "the more unusual the better" while the approach here is the more mundane / common the better, in specific reasonably extensive representations of human daily life (with reference to place, time, long-event, or similar) such as a compilation video of a normal (not extraordinary) week from the view of the individual. You want to ignore not only my explanations but also the presence of this subject in very many Wikipedias as well as the quite well-defined scope.
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The non-issue you describe applies to roughly half of categories which is why categories are populated and depopulated not just by one user but many and that not with no thought going into it. Nowhere is it implied people should categorize things without giving it some thought. If you're concerned that media relevant to the cat is missing here: these would go into subcategories (really simple so I'm wondering why people do not understand this); intermediate categories may be needed as described above so if you really want to make images of "[not far from] everything [when it comes to photos of humans]" available from here, you can – via appropriate subcategories instead of placing things in here directly (the upper layer is for things that are about that subject explicitly or more extensively than a random photo of daily life like the example or Time-use charts). If you see an issue: improve/change it rather than outright deleting this. The only rationale I can discern in the comment, which as I said indicates low engagement with both the subject / category and prior discussion, is unclarity of scope – but the contents of the cat are fine as they are, the scope is made clear in the cat description, and I just addressed your concern to the extent that it should be resolved. People could speculate long about what may or may not be potential issues of categories in the future, and attempt to decide based on this, when there is no problem in actuality whatsoever.
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@Media lib, Wheeke, Sturm, Jeanne Angerie, Vahurzpu, Engelberthumperdink, NeverDoING, Piotrus, and Estopedist1: pinging some more Wikipedia article contributors and editors of subcats and two editors who may be interested – do you think this subject is notable/due here? Please glance over the prior discussion such as that subcategories can be created with the upper layer of the cat only for media about the subject like those that are currently there. (Please get some more editors involved in this discussion.) Prototyperspective (talk) 12:05, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure what I can say that I did not say at the Everyday life discussion. I think Everyday life should've been kept as a redirect, so interwiki would work, while this is obviously a poorly named fork version of that category. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul PiotrusTalk02:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS. While Everyday life is an important encyclopedic and scholarly concept, I can't imagine what photos would go here that would not go into some other category, and indeed, Human activities seems fine. Right now I lean towards assuming Human activities is a Commons equivalent of the encyclopedic everyday life concept. This should be retargeted there. We also need to clean up the weird subcategories here (Category:Everyday Life in Old China etc). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul PiotrusTalk02:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a fork of it; I didn't even know it existed before and it should have been kept buck then but was deleted because of a failure to understand the concept of subcategories.
I can't imagine what photos would go here I suggest you take a look at the media currently in it, and maybe also the discussion above. Human activities seems fine These are photos of one specific activity each. This category is about the concept, the approach and subject. Again: take a look at the example and files in it.
There even are some films about this concept – see below. The category should not be deleted by people who didn't put any thought in it, don't understand it, go against the clear notability established by countless WP:RS and W-articles across many languages and most importantly don't understand the concept of subcategories which I explained above how they could contain human activities such as this cat -> universally common human activities -> biological human functional behaviors -> Cat:People eating and Cat:Sleeping people even though it's not necessary that the cat contains everything it could like that to be useful and valid.
These films are about this subject and if they would be CCBY they would be in this category rather than only if at all in cat:Human activities; maybe that helps you understand this: Life in a Day (2011 film) "Life in a Day is a crowd-sourced documentary film comprising an arranged series of video clips selected from 80,000 clips submitted to the YouTube video sharing website, the clips showing respective occurrences from around the world on a single day, 24 July 2010." Life in a Day 2020 "Like its predecessor, it comprises a wide array of selected video clips showing things happening in the world on one day: July 25, 2020. [..] Life in a Day 2020 begins at dawn, with a montage of mothers giving birth. Then, morning rises and people awaken, going about their lives"
Why do we need this category on Commons? What benefit does it have? Isn't Category:Human activities enough?
Answers
We need this category because we need a category for media showing:
more than one activity, like a video summarizing one day of daily life of a normal person, diagrams showing how people currently spend their time on, and long-duration recordings of environmental sounds at a particular place;
reaction: this might indeed be so, but then we need another category name, something with "multi" in the name and a hatnote explaining what this category is for.
how daily life of common people at a particular time was like;
reaction: herefor we have already a lot of other categories with in/by [location]/[people of], [period], etc. in the name, like subcategories of Human activities; and because all images in this category (Daily life and common experience) are about specific locations, periods and people, these additives should be in the subcategory names anyhow.
Other remarks
"Daily life" and "common experience" are subjective descriptions that could contain everything or nothing. Therefor it cannot be a useful category tree.
There is no agreement on what subcategories should be in and which not. For instance, normally this category would have a lot of subcategories that reflect daily life and commons experiences (like sleeping, eating, working) and when it is growing, it would have the same kind of subcategories; but that is problematic because subcategories of those subcategories are not all about daily life (sleeping in trains and under trees are not about daily life). Omitting them would cause a rift in the category flow of linking categories about the same subject.
It is hard to imagine what photos would go here that would not go into some other category, Human activities seems fine.
This is a poorly named fork version of the deleted category Everyday life.
Solutions
Rename this category for media showing more than one activity.
Delete it for the daily life part. Move the subcategories and files to other appropriate categories, like subcategories of Category:Human activities.
This will again need quite a bit of text to correct some inaccuracies:
recordings of environmental sounds sounds like random nature soundscapes would be within scope; it's common daily life sound (in general or especially for something specified like "in a modern city" or "city x" or "compilation of sounds at home during day") – the subcategory title and description should make this clear enough. A good nonexisting example would be a sound recording of walking through a big city with subtitles for whatever can currently be heard (like ambulance sounds, children shouting, etc)
The "multi" in the category title is not needed: it's just that the uppermost layer is reserved for such media and everything in it needs to be subcategorized to connect to this approach of media providing comprehensive pictures of daily lives. It could be specified in the category description and/or, like most other categories, needs to be maintained in case people put things in it that either don't fit or (more likely) only fit in some potential or existing subcategory. For the same reason there shouldn't (but currently are btw) photos of random people or similar in the top layer of cat:"Humanity", rather it would need to provide a more fuller picture relating to humans much more broadly or even relate to humanity in specific. For example, an issue with putting "multi" in the cat-title is that individual items in the subcategories don't each need to show multiple things like collages could. They only need to relate to this approach to how they're categorized which is a different conceptual approach as in other category starting points. The cat-description could make this aspect of showing comprehensive pictures rather than isolated individual components clearer if it isn't yet clear enough.
categories with in/by [location]/[people of], [period] Most of the media there doesn't show their daily lives. The media there that does, could go into subcategories here. A see also could also be added (Category:People of the Middle Ages already is a see also). So far, I could only find very few items of that kind that are all mostly in one cat. This is one of the best examples of what this cat is for and why it's useful so I recommend watching this: "This is how people lived in ancient Rome".webm. I wouldn't have a problem with if somebody just subcategorized a broad category to here but sooner or later it should be refined to a subcategory that only includes media providing genuine information about daily life at the time (rather than also emblems, portraits, inaccurate artworks, etc etc). Indeed, the additives would need to be in the subcategory title and this allows accessing them from one place.
are subjective descriptions that could contain everything or nothing I already addressed this above! The short version of the explanations is that if people want to add what you call "everything" it would need to be placed in appropriate relevant subcategories. The cat contents are fine as they are and that can not be called "everything" or overpopulated, rather media is missing and this cat is useful also for highlighting this gap of media. "Nothing" is proven wrong by the current cat contents.
"Daily life" and "common experience" are two concepts in one No, it's one but the way it's phrased may be unclear – it's that contents shouldn't be about daily life but Common daily life for a set of humans. This daily life could be common to people aboard the ISS (small set), peasants throughout history, or humans in some country (large set). Experience in the title makes clear that the subject is the experience of people; maybe that part is redundant but I think it makes it clearer.
subcategories of those subcategories are not all about daily life This is why I would suggest simply not adding them as subcategories this broadly. Before adding things should be refined. If you look at any other major category, you'd see lots of subcategories that ideally or at some point should also be refined such as cat:Environment in cat:Society which I just removed to leave only Cat:"Environment and society" (there's many more examples). The category/ies about activities could be linked as see also and this is currently not a problem except if you're absolutely particularly keen on making sure that this category in specific contains all the subcategories/media that it could contain right from the start. Solving the non-issues you bring up requires thought that could be done at a later point when somebody wants to actually add such a subcategory (usually category-creators don't need to flesh out the whole subcategory tree right from the start): here's a way to solve the unconventional sleeping issue: make a new category like "Photos of people sleeping conventionally" or similar (e.g. by type of bed and time) and only add that to a category that is then made a subcategory here. When people lump overly broad things in a cat this doesn't mean it necessarily needs to be removed but that another option is to at a later point refine things for example like that. Currently there is no problem there; aware of this issue, just add categories as you see fit.
If it is to be renamed/moved, then please suggest alternatives but I think it's fine as is and clearer than alternatives. Cat:Society should also not contain images that depict one particular social activity or social subject, instead these go into subcategories that relate to this approach and the more distanced from the top-layer, the more specific they probably are, with the top-layer category not being renamed to sth like "Comprehensive pictures of societies and society as a subject". It should be common sense and in the cat-description to only allow for the latter to be added or kept at the top-level. "Human activities" is structured after isolated specific activities which is orthogonal to this approach even though it's a cat-tree very useful to this cat.
@Prototyperspective: Your responses remain unconvincing to me mostly because I'm having trouble imagining how they would work. I can see the value a category for "one day in the life" video or photo collages, but "one day in the life" may not represent "daily life" at all. 1) Could you give some examples of subcategories you imagine will solve the problems laid out above? 2) What would you imagine should go in Category:People sleeping conventionally that would not be better sorted into Category:Sleeping people and its existing subcategories? -- Themightyquill (talk) 20:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does one particular media in other categories represent the full category subject? For example, does any particular file in Category:Buildings have to represent all buildings there are such as all types of buildings?
The one day in life thing was just one example of how people may approach the subject but there are many ways. And it as well as other approaches would only show aspects of daily life or the attempted representation of daily life of one specific individual, spatiotemporality, or group. For example, a video could be about and try to show the diverse daily life of human children in some particular region in the 21st century or the daily life of people across particular professions and so on. There's not that many things that would go into the top-layer as most would go into subcategories that specify how they relate to the subject. That can clarify how for example the subject is approached and as said there can be very different approaches from time-lapse videos to statistics or documentary videos that largely summarize daily life like the video about daily life in ancient Rome.
In addition, Category:Buildings does not contain all media files that show buildings on WMC and that is not necessarily a problem and certainly doesn't mean the top-layer category needs to be deleted. The more close to the top-layer the more likely that "building" (such as 'building construction' 'statistics relating to buildings' 'sustainable building' and so on) are the primary subject etc. Going deep down into subcategories makes it less informative about the overall subject and is more specific such as a photo showing one particular building instead of a video showing many different types of buildings and explaining how and when each building-type or -style emerged or similar.
1) The category now already has good subcategories and I named multiple potential subcategories earlier. One example that I already named twice is this cat -> universally common human activities (explains the relation to daily life in that these are included in many daily lives or in daily life a lot) -> biological human functional behaviors (explains the relation that they are relatively common because they are biological functions) -> Cat:People eating and Cat:Sleeping people. Issues like ones mentioned are rarely all solved at the outset of major categories but get solved over time and a category doesn't have to include all potential subcategories right from the start (so this one doesn't have to include lots of Cat:Human activities subcats and could just link to it with a See also). 2) The discussion about sleeping people is a bit off-topic since it's not important to this category and just a minor accuracy issue of some potential subcat that doesn't even have to be included to begin with and could be sorted out at a later point. The redcat doesn't have to exist but if it does it would show people sleeping in ways that are conventional for them. If a person or set of people such as people in first world countries in the 21st century overall usually sleep in beds than that would be included there; also included there could be people sleeping in tents, at work, in trenches, or wherever else as long as the subcat clarifies for whom this is "conventional" sleeping. The cat would imply that subcat clarify how they relate to it. But again, this is a subject of how some subcats are structured or included, not about the overall category discussed here. The user doesn't need to be able to find pictures of sleeping people from this as a starting point for this to be a valid, important and useful category, especially as there could be a See also. If it should be there right away then I think this solution would work.
moved to proper distinctive naming - this one is now redundant, would lead to confusion between village in Kazbegi municipality of this name and Category:Gori fortress which has the same name in Georgian. Labrang (talk) 14:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
redudant - was presented as composed village of Kvemo and Zemo Okrokana, but they are two separate villages. No need for umbrella cat. Labrang (talk) 15:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Labrang, I wonder. what the purpose for discussion that the files are already removed? You should leave the files in the category for consideration. Otherwise it may be considered as vandalism. -- Geagea (talk) 15:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was one category in it, Zemo Okrokana. Kvemo Okrokana, was missing, while available. This all has been a mess anyways, so any threat of vandalism sounds ironic and not very constructive. The only way to propose categories for deletion is to start a "discussion". Hence why. Labrang (talk) 15:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please change the name of this category to "Category:Sasa Hanten-Schmidt" to match the name of her Wikipedia pages. Thanks in advance. 109.78.51.15617:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
colleges and univerisities are clearly different concepts. That's why we have Category:Colleges and Category:Universities. Per the policy on naming categories "We should not classify items which are related to different subjects in the same category. There should be one category per topic; multi-subject categories should be avoided. The category name should be unambiguous and not homonymous." So Category:Logos of universities and colleges in the United States goes against policy. Whereas this category doesn't.
There is no parent category that these "Logos of universities and colleges" can go in because we have Category:Colleges and Category:Universities, not Category:Universities and colleges since it's a redirect. In fact most, or all of the "Logos of universities and colleges" categories have "Higher education institutions in" as the parent, not Category:Universities and colleges. It's clearly pointless to have categories for "Logos of universities and colleges" when there isn't even a parent category for it to go into. At the end of the day files in the categories should probably just be up merged to "logos of higher education institutions in" categories and deleted. But there's no reason you can't, or shouldn't, have separate categories for "logos of colleges" or "logos of universities" categories when again there's already top level categories for both, not Category:Universities and colleges. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:47, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps to your surprise: There are people, countries and cultures that consider sheep liver as good food, perhaps even as delicacies. So please respect that and do not offend them by calling it offal, just because you yourself do perhaps not like it. Commons is populated with people and editors from all over the world and that means respect for other people, cultures, cuisines, habits and customs. Please first investigate a judgement before you write it here. JopkeB (talk) 11:22, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JopkeB: I'm worried something might have been lost in translation here. "Offal" is a neutral term referring specifically to the entrails and internal organs of a butched animal, to be used as food. It's not a judgement like the word "awful." That said, Category:Offal is a subcategory of Category:Meat, so I don't see any big reason to rename this category, especially given the potential confusion surrounding the term offal. -- Themightyquill (talk) 07:42, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Themightyquill: , for your explanation. Yes, that might be the case: Google Translate gives the equivalent of waste during slaughter.
Who cares for the ethnicity of models? Is there an obligation to make positive discrimination to Jewish people everywhere? Why, because they suffered a Holokoust? Now they are making a genocide and we are not making any negative discrimination. So use the "ethnic" adjective only for tribes lost in jungles who may not have citizenship of any country... 186.173.68.23412:32, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep — we don't value ethnicities like Jews just because they have survived genocides like the Holocaust. We value them because such ethnicities are not concentrated to a single country. We can also create similar categories on other international ethnicities like Basque models and Flemish models. I also belong to an international ethnicity spread across two countries. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 16:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I created this category because I falsely believed that the aircraft at the National Museum of the United States Air Force was not actually 44-76068 ZLEAT\C02:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ZLEA: This probably doesn't need discussion. You could tag it with one of these:
Hi @Joshbaumgartner: and thanks for updating me on that ! After a second thought : there may be a difference in the name if one separates the Parliament since 1975, the Parliament under the Ditadura Nacional/Estado Novo, the Parliament from 1910 to 1926 and the Parliament under the Constitutional Monarchy. As I did not dig inside this question I may be wrong. Regardless, Category:Election apportionment diagrams of the Portuguese Parliament seems to fit for all of them, and I agree to rename/merge the current categories in it. Tpe.g5.stan (talk) 17:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When I created this category there were loads of images of the province of Prato with borders that needed to be reuploaded. As of now the great majority of the work has been done, so this category is no longer useful, it could even be deleted. Naioli (talk) 17:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The terms "Church hall" and "Parish hall" seem to be synonymous. Might be just an EngVar thing. Either way, one needs to be merged into the other. I would have a preference for "Parish hall" as the target since "Hall church" is an architectural term. I can see how Category:Church halls might get confused with Category:Hall churches. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can't think of, or find, any Minis that aren't automobiles, so Merge would be sensible. Though the next action would be to rename all the "Mini vehicle" sub-categories. Sionk (talk) 13:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
6450x7650 is not a lower resolution than 6450x7650.
these are duplicates. The jpeg version has no discernable loss of quality from the tif version.
These duplicates exist, because the naming scheme is unusual for the maps uploaded in 2018.
I am no longer fixing any sanborn problems. I spent a week or two writing perl scripts and fix the mess, but then i ran into a bunch of idiots, who were under the impression that somebody made smart decisions in 2018.
After bringing half a dozen people up to speed on the matter in instances of 5 minutes each and dealing with 7 to 8 bureaucrats who all said different things, the half dozen new-born experts on the matter decided it is all a mess, but it should better not be touched.
I have a bunch of shell scripts to make this sanborn thing really comfortable for myself, so i pulled the plug on jerking off the wiki-clowns. Why bother, right? Nowakki (talk) 14:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying, I hadn't really looked close enough into file size and types.
At least, I certainly am no Sanborn-expert nor do I ever want to be declared one; I just regularly stumble over these maps that are strewn haphazardly all over our "old maps" categories in Commons (in my opinion, this here is some 1895 random Sanborn plan (as in cadastral plan) and should not be sorted under "1884 maps of Massachusetts"). Someone Else[TM] should bring some sense into the matter, I just find them amusingly annoying whenever I encounter them. --Enyavar (talk) 16:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
all the sanborn map plates/sheets are cadastral plans.
if you want them to be found, they need to appear in a map category. they are high resolution maps. i don't see the problem. Nowakki (talk) 16:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just found two categories with identical content and wanted to voice my concern. If you say all is as it should be, then great, a quick resolution for a CfD for once! --Enyavar (talk) 17:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I said i don't see the problem with filing them as "maps".
And I said that i stopped fixing the obvious existing problems, because of a lack of good judgement encountered along the way.
The are over 500,000 sanborn map files on commons. This cannot be fixed without a consensus (in other words, some people would have to lose a vote). There are not enough people who care, to reach a consensus either way. Nowakki (talk) 18:01, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is hours of work cataloguing trains by their class number. It does not affect people who do not want trains catalogued by class number - the less useful (in my eyes) system of electric locomotives etc and then numbers still exists. However there are many many ways we can catalogue things in commons and I'm unhappy you are trying to destroy al my work by mass reverting me. Secretlondon (talk) 23:06, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is hours of work cataloguing trains by their class number.
Keep This seems like a very logical and useful way to organise the sub-categories that doesn't require people to know what motive power a particular class of train is before they can navigate to it. I also cannot see any obvious reason why this is "nonsense", "wrong" or how it disrupts any parallel organisation structure that exists and the nominator has chosen not to give any explanation beyond an implied personal dislike. Thryduulf (talk) 00:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also note that the nominator has apparently spent a lot of effort reverting the addition of this category (with no explanation) and without waiting for the outcome of this discussion, which would definitely be explicitly contrary to en.wp policies and is should also be contrary to Commons' policies (although I admit I am rusty on these). Thryduulf (talk) 00:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This category is based on three terms: all three of them are wrong.
These are not 'trains', they're rolling stock: mostly locomotives, some are railcars or multiple units. Rolling stock have class numbers, this could work, but trains do not. Trains are temporary groups of rolling stock, assembled for a particular journey. They do have numbers or reporting codes, but they'll be something like 1V66, not 'class 158'.
There are no 'trains of the United Kingdom', no more than there are trains of England. Trains in that region are associated with Great Britain instead. Trains don't operate between Britain and Northern Ireland. But I can photograph trains from my own window as they magically transform from trains of England into trains of Wales - they're not stable or workable categories.
This all began last night from a series of changes breaking the Category:Numbers on rail vehicles tree. See User talk:Secretlondon#Number 99 on rail vehicles. That's a category tree based on simple lexical appearance and some presumed graphic design value for 'trains with numbers on'. They're visible. It's not about any semantics of the number (Take a look at what's there - it isn't.) Locos with numeric classes don't usually have that class number visible on them. NS 2900? They're numbered from 2901 upwards. None of them have 2900 on them. For the L&YR, this is especially ridiculous, because those class numbers were never used by the railway and are still contentious today (they appeared in one book, long afterwards). Now if rollback for that caught up changes to this other category tree too, that's perhaps unfortunate (and why I opened this CfD), but neither of these changes are any sort of improvement.
We've long had the problem of 'four-engined tractor aircraft with unicorn sprinkles' [1] and poorly-thought out categorisations based on an incomplete or incorrect understanding of the details. Generally if they're self-contained I leave them be, but this was now breaking the existing Numbers tree, so it was time to clean up. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:09, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, on the basis we have categories by class number of each train, so it makes sense to have an umbrella category. The "Trains of the United Kingdom" category has existed for almost 20 years. For good or ill, there are train nerds on Commons who delight in categorising railway stock in great detail. (As for the "of the United Kingdom" vs "in the United Kingdom", I'd happily support a rename of the subcategories from "of" to "in", for the reasons Andy explains above. If a locomotive passes through my local station I've no idea where it is "of".) Sionk (talk) 21:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"there are train nerds on Commons " having made your disparaging opinion of other editors so clear, then I think we know how to treat your opinions on this. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are undoubtedly people on Commons who obsessively photograph and categorise railway related subjects. That doesn't invalidate my opinion on this discussion. Sionk (talk) 23:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The act is a major piece of tranformative legislation in an Irish context and is still not fully implemented. All new housing estate road signage since 2009 has to have equal status for both Irish and English on them and this policy is still not fully implemented in practice. This measure is part of the act.
It is good I believe to keep a watch on the act. I personally believe that the act is major and transformative enough to merit a category on WC. Having photos of signs in line with the act in the category seems normal to me. Darren J. Prior (talk) 14:17, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This nomination is not about the merits or notability of the act. What could be contained in this nominated category that would not be in the Irish-language signs category? Personally, I'd see little content. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see the harm in having the category and the photos I have put in it. The photos are all relevant as they have come out post-2003 when the act came in. They are not just any Irish language / bilingual signs. Darren J. Prior
There is no consensus that the category should be deleted.
And they are bilingual signs not Irish-language signs.
Every photo in the category has come out post-2003 when the act came in. That was the point in having the category and to so highlight examples the change in legislation brought in.
I have heard your argument / rationale but believe that there is nothing wrong with having the category. WC should be a welcoming place. I would consider the cateogory to be a good category to have.
Before the act came in in 2003 there was no legal obligation that there had to be Irish langugae versions of signs in Ireland. And printed in the same size as the English language versions. Every sign in the category has come out post-2003. Darren J. Prior (talk) 12:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The signs in the Official Languages Act 2003 category all came out post-2003 - you can tell by looking at them that they are not older signs - and are all in accordance with the act. If you want I can add a description to the category to this effect. I took most of the photos in the category so know that they came out post-2003, and you can tell by the other ones that they are not more than 20 years old.
"You placed the entirety of Category:Irish-language signs, Category:Irish-language signs in Ireland and Category:Bilingual signs in Ireland in the category about the act."
Then for those that are signs they should just be in Category:Bilingual English-Irish signs in Ireland, as was suggested to you above. If there is other content (which I don't see any at the moment) then we may consider if such a category is needed.
Re "you can tell by looking at them that they are not older signs": it is very much a matter of appreciation to guess how old is a sign when you just have a picture of it and no other information. But that's not what matters. These signs (older or newer) don't have an explicit reference to the Official Languages Act written on them. They are, however, explicitly unilingual or bilingual, in Irish Gaelic, English, Polish, French, Latin or even some other languages. That's why the categories of signs by language are a good fit for them, but a category about an act is not really.
Re "I was just linking the categories because they are connected": you don't put content in a category because it is related, but because it precisely belongs to the definition of that category and could not do without it. Otherwise that would be a mess to no end. Categories are an organized structure, not a spaghetti plate. Guideline Commons:Categories#Over-categorization could help you to understand how categories are useful. PlaceClichy21:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All of the signs in the category are bilingual in Irish/English - with only 1 in Irish-only which is also in line with the act as an English language version of the sign was beside it but I did not take a photo of that - not "in Irish Gaelic, English, Polish, French, Latin or even some other languages."
"a good fit for them, a category about an act is not really."
I don't see that the category merits deletion (there are also 2 audio interviews in the category), and if it remains what is wrong with keeping the photos that came in in line with the act in it.
I don't want to continue this tedious conversation for much longer. I have as it happens already when I uploaded my photos (which constitute most photos in the category) added them to the 2 other most relevant categories as well.
I would imagine that more people than just 2 would merit a "consensus" for deleting the category and/or moving most of the photos.
I recommend that you ask more people to comment on this CfD and ideally some / some more Irish people who may have an idea of what the Official Languages Act 2003 is in general. Darren J. Prior (talk) 21:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was just going to say as well that pursuing a deaf dialogue is not needed. More than 1 opinion is probably needed to keep a redundant category that is ill-advised per guidelines on category usage (Commons:Categories). However, besides this disagreement, I acknowledge that you edits are all done in good faith and welcome your contribution to this project. PlaceClichy09:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I recommend keeping the category with the 2 audio files in it.
I had created this category and its subcats, with the reason provided in the description. However, after understanding the principles of COM:NCR, I have decided to delete these categories. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Appeal speedy deletion prod by User:Denniss. Rationale had been "emptied cat, was based on POV accusation vs Latuff", which suggests a good faith misunderstanding. The cat is a description of what the images are about – i.e. the concept of how Weaponization of antisemitism can be used to stifle free speech. It is akin to the concept of playing the Race card.
Poorly defined categories created by the same editor - "surrounding area" is unnecessary because, commonly, pictures of the immediate surrounding area are already included in village categories. I suggest the contents of these categories are merged into the main village categories. --Sionk (talk) 14:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Poorly defined categories created by the same editor. Either the contents are pictures of views within these communities, or they're not. I suggest the contents of these categories are merged into the main community categories. Note that communities (similar to English civil parishes) are the lowest level of local government organisation in Wales, with clearly defined boundaries. The "surrounding area" would logically be in a neighbouring community.
Communities are often named after a town or village within the community, and maybe the creator has confused the two, and these are duplicates of the community categories. But if the built-up area of that town or village forms only a small part of the community (though communities are often quite small anyway), it makes much more sense in my opinion if a subcategory of "FOO (village)" or "FOO (town)" is created. --Sionk (talk) 21:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep: Populated areas (village / town) and it's surrounding area are two very distinct places. The first is a collection of homesteads defined in all cases by name on a road sign. The surrounding area refers to the community which aren't marked on road signs, this area (similar to parishes) is much larger than the village or town, included within. I can't see how this differentiation is 'poorly defined' as both are defined geographically by the planning authority. Sionk describes these populated places as only 'communities or not (communities)' and does not take into account the populated area within the community / parish etc, which also have 'clearly defined boundaries'. Having 1 size fits all is certainly confusing and poorly defined when both community and populated area have the same name. The surrounding area category also helps ensures that only images of the village / town are within that Category, rather than clutter each populated area with hundreds of images of bypassing roads, fields of sheep, mountains and and flowing rivers miles from the actual populated area. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 09:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As you point out, these categories have the same name as the community and an associated town or village (after which the community is named). The surrounding area to the town of Denbigh is ...the Denbigh community, for example. So calling a category "Denbigh surrounding area" doesn't help much, we don't know whether this is surrounding the Denbigh urban area, or the Denbigh community. There has to be a better solution - maybe creating a Category:Denbigh (town), Category:Hawarden (village) categories etc.? Sionk (talk) 16:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be happy with any recognised term within parenthesis, as suggested, depending on defined status eg X (community}, Y (village)... The important bit is that they become separate entities rather than one big mish-mash as per status quo. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 16:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To see if the suggested format works, I've trialled one area: Category:Abergwyngregyn to Category:Abergwyngregyn (village) and Category:Abergwyngregyn (Community area). I can't guarantee that every images in the Category:Abergwyngregyn (Community area) is actually in that community, as the community boundaries are not easily mapped. Going through each one of the 500+ images to check would take days. It's already taken me two hours, whereas the general category (surrounding area) would have been done in 10 minutes. I still believe that surrounding area is a quicker and better way. Yes, Strong keepLlywelyn2000 (talk) 06:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per nom and previous discussion. "surrounding area" is vague and undefined. If it/some can be converted to "(community)" then that's fine. It indeed is helpful if the settlement is separated from the rural areas for categorisation, but should stick to more defined variables like administrative boundaries, or making settlement categories. Understand that them being intentionally vague allows for quicker categorising though. A parent category can be used if unsure. DankJae00:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
sitelen pona and sitelen sitelen are only used for one language, toki pona
editors can decide whether to have it in lowercase (sitelen pona) or Caps (Sitelen Pona). the former is used natively in toki pona. Juwan (talk) 17:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When you say "consistent with other categories", which categories do you mean exactly? Toki Pona categories or those of other languages/scripts?
It is probably part of Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/12/Category:Kingdom of Denmark, see Talk page (for the Kingdom of the Netherlands, spread over two contintents, this is an emergency solution; perhaps there are other countries with similar problems). Please be patient, Josh is absent for another couple of weeks, I am sure he will try to solve this thereafter. And please, let him just do his thing here on Commons, including creating new categories. JopkeB (talk) 15:54, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
KeepEstopedist1 states it is not applicable for countries, which is correct, it is for regions (countries should be under Category:Concepts by country). It does appear that the inclusion of Kingdom of Denmark has caused confusion, which I agree with. I would personally have that placed under countries, but I am not the only voice and there appears to be consensus (perhaps temporary, per JopkeB?) to treat them as regions as a result of discussion regarding Countries. Regardless, if there are contents that do not belong here (perfectly valid debate), the remedy is to put them where they belong, not to just delete the category outright. If in the end, there are no categories that belong here then deletion is easy, but while Denmark and Netherlands inclusion may be debatable, it doesn't seem there is any doubt that Latin America, Scandinavia, Central America, etc. are regions, and so this category itself remains valid even if some of its content may be up for debate. Josh (talk) 23:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Laurel Lodged As far as scope, it is very easily defined: it is an index category for categories in the form "Category:Concepts of region" (where region is an entity which is categorized under Regions). Josh (talk) 23:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The more I look at the whole "concepts" tree structure, the more I think that it should all be deleted. It's nonsense or at best duplication of "academic disciplines" trees. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:35, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a consensus to eliminate the categories of concepts by geographical criterion. While Josh has tried to defend the categories, he may have misunderstood the reason of deleting such categories. I have looked into individual categories and found that only the "academic disciplines in [country]" categories (and subnational concept categories) are categorized. Anyway, I have redirected the concerned categories to academic disciplines. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 04:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't it be good to merge this with Category:Plants? The latter is the more common term and seems far better maintained/populated with the two essentially being about the same thing (see Plant taxonomy and Plant). Despite of this, the former is linked from the main page and contains e.g. Category:Plantae in art with barely anything in it while Category:Plants in art (not a subcat) is well-populated. Merging should be done in a good way if it indeed does make sense (if not things like the need for an additional cat, the difference to the other cat, and the missing media/subcats should be addressed). Prototyperspective (talk) 11:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(1) What is the difference from Category:Countries of the Antarctic? (2) Why is it Antarctic in some categories and Antarctica in others? 200.111.227.10520:28, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Map hobby: How does you being a tubist make sense out of the combination "Category:Template:" which I have never before seen on Commons or any other WMF project? Is the intent here simply a template (in which case "Category:" should not be there)? - Jmabel ! talk16:41, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry! Yes, it was supposed to be a template. But I'm not experienced yet.
That was the first attempt to create a template (as you can see, it was unsuccessful)
They are duplicate; just merge them and redirect one to the other. (This seems like something that could be done without having to go through Categories for discussion.) Marbletan (talk) 17:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Parentless category with no clear definition and exactly one file. What exactly are the criteria to determine what does and does not belong in this category? What are appropriate parent categories? Jmabel ! talk00:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At the very least, that would be Category:Bengali revolutionaries (plural); however, I see no other categories of revolutionaries by ethnicity, not even for groups like the where there was a specifically nationalist failed revolution (the war). - Jmabel ! talk18:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I assume all the subcategories can be sorted as "criminals" or something similar. I don't think a category for a person should be within a category called "abusive". However, we might need a category for things related to emotional abuse, verbal abuse, or other types that aren't crimes. DeleteCategory:Abusive men and Category:Abusive women as well. Kk.urban (talk) 04:01, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all three categories for the reasons outlined by Omphalographer. The way these categories (and its parent, "Problem behaviour") are being used is also rather inappropriate. ReneeWrites (talk) 23:39, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawn My mistake. I've taken this road literally hundreds of times and it never dawned on me that it wasn't Cote-des-Neiges. I should have checked the first result on G Maps more carefully, as it spat out the much smaller Mcdougall Ave. in Outremont. Shawn à Montréal (talk) 16:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Transparentality" does not seem to be a commonly-used term. In fact, I'd never heard of this word before today, and I'm pretty deep in trans culture myself. "Transgender parenting" or something like that would be more understandable. Brainy J (talk) 20:41, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JopkeB: The discussion period of two weeks has more than passed by. Since there seems to be no opposition, how can we proceed? Can I close the discussion and make a move request to the name you suggested? Or is this forbidden for IPs? 213.55.188.11317:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you can close the discussion and implement the solution. I do not know whether you can do that with you IP adress, I try to avoid it, so I wouldn't know. JopkeB (talk) 04:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Consulted 3 sources today all of which have the aircraft as current. Hardly surprising since aircraft not retiring until tomorrow according to you. Will, of course, delete the 4 cats once confirmation received on aircraft status. Ardfern (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see no good reason why this category exists. If there is a good reason, would someone please add parent categories and (presumably) more than the single subcat it now has? Jmabel ! talk16:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One of them is a stereo microscope. But it's a type with a single pair of objectives, and these are interchangeable. It can have as many of them as you have access to, not just 4 on a turret. In fact this one appears to have 5. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't see the point you're making? You're arguing that these really are stereo microscopes? Or that because you've named the files already, we have to propagate the error? Andy Dingley (talk) 21:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @RZuo, I'm the creator of this category :) Please keep in mind that this category has been in use for 6 years and it contains all the contributions of the very first #VisibleWikiWomen campaign. What's your suggestion for this category? Do you think it should be transformed in a topical category? I have no opposition to that, since other #VisibleWikiWomen categories are also topical. But please, can you explain a little bit more about your idea of what to do with this one? I just don't want to make drastic changes that can cause a valuable memory loss. Even, I can do the change, after a reasonable discussion. Thank you! Señoritaleona (talk) 22:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"other #VisibleWikiWomen categories are also topical"
the women, of which you uploaded pictures, are not defined by "VisibleWikiWomen..." in fact, they probably have no interaction with your event or your organisers at all.
what's appropriate, is (1) apply these event categories only to files or your event pages, but not to topical categories, (2) if you want to have a list, you create one in gallery or commons namespace, instead of using a category.
Hey @RZuo! So, your proposal is to make VisibleWikiWomen_2018 a non-topical hidden category, correct? If that's what you mean, I'll be happy to proceed with the change. Thanks! Señoritaleona (talk) 13:40, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it's to remove all these categories from this category, e.g.
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VRT ticket confirmed that Kiri Karma is uploader's wife and all the files were reviewed, I don't think this maintenance category is useful anymore A1Cafel (talk) 02:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's unclear what this category is about. The parent categories say something about biblical figures and Israeli people, but the Dan category itself includes photos from Thailand and Dan (as in: martial arts black belt) certificates. This category probably needs a name addition that indicates what it is about ("Dan (Israeli tribe)"?) and the Category:Dan should be a disambig page that lists Black Belts as an option as well as the aspect that got those Thailand photos in that category (no clue what that aspect is). Nakonana (talk) 08:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this should not be the main/parent category (as it looks like it is now), but there should be one for the raw vegetables it is made of, which I cannot find yet. They are usually not made of cucumbers we use in salads, but of very small ones, that undoubtfully have another (Latin) name. Can anyone tell me what it should be? Can Category:Gherkins be the parent? JopkeB (talk) 13:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For me there is a clear difference between the little ones (raw or still on the plant) that are usually used for pickles (but are not yet pickles) and the large raw ones that are usually used in salads. I would like to have different categories for them. There may be a common parent category for both of them, but for now I am looking for a proper name for the little raw ones, a better parent for Category:Pickled cucumbers. And I think this difference should be made throughout the category structure, starting with Category:Cucumis sativus and/or its parents. But I am not at all familiar with the Latin names, so I hope someone can help. JopkeB (talk) 07:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New definition: Gherkins = small cucumbers, between 3 to 13 cm (1 to 5 inch) in length, often with bumpy skin, which are typically used for pickling (source: EN-WP).
Conclusion: Gherkins may be pickled, but they can also be raw or still on the plant.
Category structure:
Category:Gherkins will become the main category for all small cucumbers (between 3 to 13 cm (1 to 5 inch)), on a plant, raw (for instance for sale on markets) or pickled.
But if we add the description to Category:Gherkins, then it is clear, isn't it? Otherwise people who do not agree should come up with a better name for an umbrella category for those small cucumbers in all their manifestations: stil on plants, raw and pickled. I searched and didn't find it.
The other way round, anyway! The food crop plant is derived from the species, not the species from the crop plant :-) I'll need to check up in case the crop plant is derived from hybrids between C. anguria and other species, or just from the one species. Hope this helps! - MPF (talk) 09:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like we agree on proposal 1. (definition) and 2. (conclusion about gherkins). But we need an adjusted proposal for the category structure (green text is new):
3. Category structure:
Category:Gherkins will become the main category for all small cucumbers (between 3 to 13 cm (1 to 5 inch)), on a plant, raw (for instance for sale on markets) or pickled. Though, this is only true for the category names in English; it is not possible to have it as a parent for species, for categories with scientific names.
Can Category:Gherkins indeed stay as a category in which also images of gherkings are that are not picked, that are still on a plant? Otherwise: What can be the parent of gherkins that are on a plant?
Delete A lot of these "Flags of" categories being created by @אוריאל כ: are totally unnecessary. As well as just wrongly named to begin with. Which seems to be their MO. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
Oppose Lets just do it the other way around (REDIR “QR codes” to “Quick response codes”). I'd like a world of precise namings (no to gallery pages or categories using abbrevations such as PJ, USA, NATO, etc.). Sincerely, --Mateus2019 (talk) 18:12, 4 March 2024 (UTC) P.S. Your input (except this one) is very valuable and keep this up. I notice your edits daily.
Agree with RZuo. I am suchs a not native English speaking person, who indeed did not know that Quick response is the meaning of QR. Perhaps we can change the category name to Category:Quick response codes (QR codes) or Category:QR codes (Quick response codes) or something like this? JopkeB (talk) 05:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Support QR codes. We're not an encyclopedia. (I hear one of the neighbours is. They deal with stuff like this.) Andy Dingley (talk) 01:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Comment Certainly mundane subjects and everyday life are in scope subjects, the question is useful ways to categorize such subjects. As the nomination notes, an earlier similar category was deleted earlier. We have categories for such more specific subsets like eating, sleeping, washing, walking as well as kitchens, bedrooms, offices, sidewalks, people at work, etc etc. I note such things are not subcategories of this category. Alternative suggestions as to how to categorize? -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 15:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Rename . Spenĉjo (talk) 00:18, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Speedy keep Close as unnecessary Andy Dingley (talk) 10:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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Question Do you agree with the rest of the proposals?