Ruthless Will-To-Power promotes longevity.

I’m surprised that evil old ghoul Henry Kissinger died as young as he did.

OT – or is it?

Welsh Refugee Council uses 12 year old girls to present “welcome” video.

UK: Welsh Government is using 14-year-old Welsh girls to attract migrant men to the country

Migrants arriving in Europe come from Africa and Asia where pedophilia is wide spread.

Wales is using little girls to encourage migrants to move to Wales and claim benefits and housings. pic.twitter.com/pjKIeoCQae

— Klaus Arminius (@Klaus_Arminius) December 26, 2023

Jew comedians live especially long, it seems like

They don’t do hazardous work and avoid military service and farming if you believe Solzhenitsyn. Regarding military service there is the notable exception of the early Soviet Armies.

Part of it will be the higher average IQ, which in non-Ashkenazi populations has been demonstrated to correlate with longevity (e.g. in Scotland among those born 1921).

It’s unclear what the mechanism of that is, though this paper confirms it is genetic rather than environmental, in Scandinavia at least. If there is a longevity advantage specific to American Jews, it would need to be teased out to see if it is above and beyond that from the IQ advantage.

https://nymag.com/news/features/ashkenazi-jews-2011-11/

Saw this article a while back.

Growing up in and around NYC among Jews, I was always shocked at how long my Jewish friends’ grandparents lived and prospered. Still coherent into their late 80s.

My gentile Irish, Magyar and German grandparents were toast by their late 60s, looking like they were already in their 80s.

Longer Telomeres? Protective genes? Sure.

Also a lack of compounded Catholic/Christian guilt over time. Also never met an overly shy Jewish person. They live in the moment and seem unburdened. They seem to just “go for it” in most circumstances. How else could one explain a Jeffrey Toobin or Eliot Spitzer not giving a shit about their public downfall? Some would say it’s a lack of self-awareness. But I think they just know how to bury the past and move on. Good for them.

About being bright and getting old – –
– – Bright and old people have a double advantage over others. The higher IQ allows them to make use of the increasing number of experiences they can integrate into their memory and decision-making. The same is true for the number of acquaintances and relatives.

Bottom line: Being bright is an advantage that is enforced by getting old.

Jewish perfidy robs whites of 80 million years of life.

I thought the traditional explanation of Jewish relative non-susceptibility to alcoholism was that Jews came from a very old society that had access to wine for many centuries or even millennia and thus those whose genes rendered them vulnerable to alcoholism had been weeded out. That probably goes for a lot of other bad urban habits.

Remember, in Jews we are dealing with a people who have been living — and thus evolving both genetically and culturally – under the rules that support modern civilization much longer than any other western people, because they invented the rules (or had them revealed).

Probably just higher incomes and less dangerous and draining work.

Longevity seems to be in the genes, Churchill died at age 90,
Jews Murray Rothbard at 68, Murray Bookchin at 85, John Von Neumann at 53.

Compare apples to apples. I would suggest comparing the life span of university professors of different ethnicities. What is interesting is mestizo longevity, that is very counter intuitive.

Nordics probably live long too, except there is no data on it because of the War. odd that the war eliminated the ability to collect census data on “Aryans” but not Jews.

Don’t expect data sets that distinguish Nordics appearing in research papers soon. That is verboten. Do expect more research papers on Jewish genes are related to IQ, better sex, longevity, social skills and chosen-ness in general.

I’ve been watching Seinfeld too…great minds think alike!

I keep watching seasons 5-7 over and over

Jerry REALLY looks down on the working class…the bus boy monologue about how the bus boy hates his life shows how little Jerry knows about being a restauranteur.

I don’t think Seinfeld has ever done serious physical work and his arrogance shows.

It’s a good show…but it does not deserve the accolades it got in the 90s when everyone was GAGA over it

There’s several episodes that are superb and the rest are a bit blah

The Bette Midler episode is interesting because 2 jewish female writers wrote it and other than introducing J Peterman and the Tag Scene at the end, it’s a crappy episode. Like Derry Girls, women prefer to write characters Running Around Screaming. Compare it to the Male Written ‘Don’t call me Suze’ episode and you can see the difference between the male/ female brain.

Jimmy Carter’s chances of making it to 100 in October seem very slim to none based on his recent appearance during his wife’s memorial service. The way his mouth hung open is a sign he lacked the strength to keep it closed, and is something seen near the end of life.
As for Henry Kissinger, what is remarkable is how active he remained right until the end.

r K strategy. Ashkenazi are extreme K. Africans are extreme r.

They form an executive caste.

Yes. Jews are less shy. Arguing about everything and trying to get over on people are not signs of a shrinking violet.

I haven’t looked into this, but I am guessing that there is a correlation between intelligence and longevity and that it predates current “scientific dietary advice” such that “healthy living bias” is not an explanation. Better brains equate to better bodies. Not faster running and bigger dicks but just better in general.

This is the slowest news week of the year
The Houthi Navy sends you greetings of the season and reminds you, you know, a curse upon the Jews, yadda yadda yadda.

“What other reasons might there be?”

Baby’s blood.

The episode where the hag steals the soup nazi’s recipes is pretty revealing about the entire group. these people think it’s funny to ruin people’s lives and just throw out the lazy nazi accusation to justify it.

There are Jews who avoid drink altogether (like Howard Stern or Dennis Prager), but NPR did a story about abusive Jewish parents a while back and alcohol was a huge factor in that; there are also things like the command to drink at Purim until you cannot tell the characters apart. Unmentioned anywhere here is the historical Jewish connection to alcohol as concession-holding monopoly merchants and the Jewish use of alcohol to trick peasants into signing gratuitously unjust contracts.
Then again, Chuck Berry lived to be 91, and in the 80s every year newspapers used to publish a fluff story about a pack-a-day smoker living into near-centennialism.

Perhaps, but I found that the editing of the episodes and the interweaving of at least two plots — all within the 20-something-minute format — was very clever.

This is a really good point. There’s people who make it to the end but who really died thirty years ago. Look at Trump and Zhou Bai Dien. If you asked Kissinger a serious question on his last day he’d probably give an answer as intelligent as when he was running State.

ixnay! ixnay!

Jewish women have one thing going against them as far as longevity goes: they are about 10 times more likely to carry harmful mutations in the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes than the general population. These mutations greatly increase the risk of breast and ovarian cancer.

The percentage of Jews with one of the mutations is about 2%. But the risk of cancer is so high that many carriers opt for preventive mastectomy and/or removal of ovaries.

I first read about this in a book by Masha Gessen, a Russian born Jew whose mother died in her 40s of breast cancer. She learned that she carried the mutation and opted for preventive mastectomy.

The mutations exist in other populations at a lower rate. Angelina Jolie discovered she carries the mutation and has had a preventive mastectomy.

I’m not saying it isn’t true because I never thought about it or even herd someone claim it until this year, but I don’t think the proportion of really old Jews tells you anything by itself. What if 90 years ago Jews were having a lot of kids and then more recently had fewer?

Looking at the elderly population of a city doesn’t answer the question by itself either. You need to take account of selection effects, especially people’s ability to move. Maybe less hardy Jews move to Florida or suburban nursing homes or in with their children in the suburbs.

And I am every so often shocked by how much some gentiles truly love their booze. My previous housemate and his girlfriend would polish off a box of wine every few days. He also liked sticking tobacco under his lip. gross

The pronunciation rhyming with hived is consistent with the word’s etymology (from the noun life rather than the verb to live), and was formerly far more common, because it is, well, correct. It is not a matter of sounding snooty…it is simply correct. However, the pronunciation /lɪvd/ (the word is pronounced as the verb lived) is far more common today.

Everyone I have ever personally known of German ancestry has lived a long time. My aunt lived to 98, my mom’s friend is 91 and lives by herself in her own apartment, her mother lived a few years past 100.

Irish? I had an aunt who died at 99 just a few months shy of 100, an uncle who drinks Jim Beam like iced tea and is still going strong at 88.

Unlike MOST Jews my ancestors WORKED hard demanding PHYSICAL jobs. That probably actually helped their health instead of hurting it though.

So now Jews are not only smarter but they live longer as well?

ROTFLMMFWAO.

Longevity? Length can be . . . problematic.

In this tragic case, a vain gentleman’s longing led to the bris of death:

Billionaire dies during Paris penis enlargement operation
https://torontosun.com/news/world/billionaire-dies-during-paris-penis-enlargement-op

“Billionaire diamond trader Ehud Arye Laniad’s pursuit of a plentiful penis has ended in his death. The 65-year-old big wheel died of a heart attack at a private Paris hospital where he was undergoing a penis enlargement procedure. Reports say the Israeli-Belgian died on the operating table. Belgian media report that Laniad was stricken when a substance was injected into his penis triggering his demise.”

Jewish perfidy robs whites of 80 million years of life.

Well played.

Is it not because they are the chosen people?

Every Jew I have ever known personally is very involved in his or her own medical care and maintenance. A lot of them have baseline issues like Type I diabetes or other congenital illnesses, but they’re always being poked, prodded and tested. I imagine that what presents itself as a disability (likelihood for illness) winds up being a net benefit to longevity because they’re always under medical supervision. By managing chronic illnesses, they’re intercepting other medical landmines. Like their fellow Hyman Roth, they’re dying from the same heart attack for twenty years.

IS there an IQ advantage, though? If so I’m not finding it in the literature.

Or is this yet another thing re IQ being hidden or downplayed? Or is it just high IQ Jews who live forever?

Btw I would add short stature as another predictor of longevity.

According to some website called worlddata.info, the average Israeli man weighs 5.2 kg less than the average American man. And Israeli women weigh 7 kg less than American women, on average. This would go a long way in explaining differences in life expectancy.

On avg, shorter, affeminate and smerrt.

Why, when one is falling off a cliff, there is an impulse to strap on a rocket pack and crash even faster onto the rocks below?

I’ve been watching Seinfeld reruns lately, and it strikes me that none of the four main characters seem to take much interest in alcohol

Never noticed that, but it’s definitely true. Babkas and black and white cookies, yes. A stiff drink after work, no.

Compare and contrast with the underrated Last Man Standing, which I think is better than Seinfeld. The mom is constantly nursing a glass of wine and pouring wine for her daughters. The husband and his dad retire to the den to knock back well-aged bourbon. Alcohol is a pretty big deal on that show, and “buzzed” jokes push the comedy along. Seinfeld missed that opportunity.

Less excessive drinking is probably part of the answer.

I’ve been watching Seinfeld reruns lately, and it strikes me that none of the four main characters seem to take much interest in alcohol — at least not for singles living in Manhattan who do a huge amount of socializing. (The title character works in nightclubs.)

A lot of people drink when socializing to get over their shyness — Nordics are especially notorious for this. Are Jews less shy on average?

It’s funny that of the four main characters only the eponymous Seinfeld was explicitly Jewish, but that three of the main characters were played by Jewish actors and all four main characters were perceived as vaguely Jewish (This is partially because I think that for a lot of the United States, “Manhattan” and “Jewish” are not clearly distinct categories).

George was purportedly non-Jewish, but it’s impossible to think of George and his parents as anything other than Jews.

One of the things I’ve noticed about Jews and intoxicants is that I can’t think of a single Jew I’ve known of who was an alcoholic, but they seem to return to the average when it comes to other chemical addictions and especially prescription drugs. They just don’t seem susceptible to alcohol as a trigger for an addiction.

Since historically Jews have been a minority outsider group in Europe, I am not surprised they would generally be underrepresented in a typical European nations armed forces. In the U.S. during the era of mass migration in late 19th/early 20th century, most Jews were “working class” and ended up in roughly their percentage of the population in the draft era armed forces, particularly in World War I and II. The Private Melish character in “Saving Private Ryan” would have been approximately correct for Jewish citizens in the ground combat arms (infantry, artillery, armor). Likely underrepresented at the Service academies during that timeframe (West Point and Annapolis were pretty WASP-y), but probably more normal in ROTC commissions (any other college that had an officer commissioning program). Later in the 20th century and up until today with the all-volunteer force, and concurrent with Jewish ascendance in more remunerative professions in America, you see less Jewish presence in combat arms professions (and in the enlisted ranks) and more in Judge Advocate General (military lawyers), and medical skills (doctors, vets, nurses). At least that is my biased Army experience (35+ years). I imagine the more technical skills required for certain Air Force, Navy and now Space Force occupations, you would see more Jewish representation there, but I’m just speculating based on my personal knowledge of Jewish friends/colleagues and their experiences.

This website has data on military demographics, but I don’t see any specific ethnic or religious breakdowns to show Jewish representation; probably lumped in the “White” category.

https://www.militaryonesource.mil/data-research-and-statistics/military-community-demographics/

The aveerage is skewed by all of the Jewish babies who die from having their heads chopped off.

Israeli longevity is at 83.39. Behind Norway, Sweden, Australia, Malta, Spain, Switzerland and Italy. That’s Jews in Israel of whom the overwhelming majority are of European descent. There’s no longer a need for guessing, there’s a whole country of Jews where accurate numbers can be found. By the way, the average IQ of Israelis (Jews) is 95. I know, doesn’t fit the media induced stereotype, but facts is facts.

Back during the run-up to the insane Iraq War, I had the misfortune of working on a staff composed mostly of Jews. We really didn’t have a brief to talk politics, but nevertheless they insisted, and all of them to a man supported the Bush Iraq intervention, almost as if they had all been directed to by some unseen hidden force.

At one point I stapled a $100 bill to the wall, and offered a bet: who could tell me, where could they say there were a larger number of military-age Jews: serving in forward-deployed combat positions in Iraq, or at Harvard Law School? (not Harvard in general, mind you… just the Law School).

Not a single Jew was willing to take the bet.

How anti-semitic of me to even ask.

Kissinger has been mentioned several times.

I believe he had heart surgery at age 53.

Seems remarkable he lived so long with that circumstance. Modern medicine at work, I suppose. I’d like to know his health protocol before/after.

“They just know how to bury the past and move on.”

If only!

I was thinking of something similar. Jews have a large presence in the medical profession, and, by extension, their immediate/extended family does as well. I think, along with their general avoidance of alcohol, that they are very tuned to their health and can employ the network effect to get ahead of potential chronic or other debilitating ailments than members of other groups in general.

because they are smart but also small and weak?

never thought about this group specifically, but maybe my default hypothesis applies. other things being equal, the trend is that the smaller and weaker you are, the less testosterone you have, the less calories you eat, the longer you live.

i’ve asked this several times, but have the experts in this field done simple body weight to body weight checking for why women live longer than men? small weak men, barring the violence of the pre-modern age, indeed do live longer than big strong men, with huge men, either from height and muscle or fat, having obviously shorter lives.

a 130 pound man is a small man these days, their life spans might be converging on 130 pound women. testosterone does seem to hurt you long term, so they’ll never be equal lifespans, after factoring in men having more dangerous jobs.

My impression was that George Costanza’s family was supposed to be Mediterranean European in origin (Italian? Greek?), although because I know that Jason Alexander (born Jay Scott Greenspan) and Jerry Stiller (who played his father) are Jewish, their mannerisms and speech were VERY New York City Jewish.

posted a couple times in the last year about the life extension era, and how the upper class is living to 95 now instead of to 75 like they were 40 years ago. but this phenomenon is not happening for the lower class. so it is intelligence itself causing them to make better life choices, or is it the good and lucky genes they got for intelligence also came along with other good and lucky genes for longevity and everything else?

well, jewish people don’t have great genes for everything else, so in this test case, it would seem to be the intelligence? as the ashekanzi jews are the smartest people.

but what about orthodox jews? do they live a long time? they aren’t that smart, but also have the marginal genes for everything else too. if yes, then maybe there’s something in the group, like how elephants have 40 times the genes for suppressing cancer. if not, then maybe we’ve made progress on how it IS simply being smarter that tends to lead you to living longer.

How else could one explain a Jeffrey Toobin or Eliot Spitzer not giving a shit about their public downfall? Some would say it’s a lack of self-awareness. But I think they just know how to bury the past and move on.

Could be that they simply don’t care about what the goyim think.

I’ve been watching Seinfeld reruns lately, and it strikes me that none of the four main characters seem to take much interest in alcohol — at least not for singles living in Manhattan who do a huge amount of socializing. (The title character works in nightclubs.)

and casinos and The Tonight Show.

Only one of the four is Jewish. George, of Italian descent therefore presumably Catholic, was once reminded by Jerry “but you don’t drink”. Kramer hosts all night poker parties and other bacchanalia. Elaine gets drunk at the office party and “dances”. I’d like to see the same laser-like analysis of the cast of Friends. Everyone on The West Wing drank, even the Jew Toby Ziegler. How can Young Sheldon be used as a lens to examine this matter?

Churchill died at age 90,
Jews Murray Rothbard at 68

Rothbard came immediately to mind, as did Stephen Jay Gould, 60. Yesterday I mentioned Carolyn Leigh, who wrote the famous line, “And if you should survive to 105…” She dropped from a heart attack at 57– not very ladylike! (Here’s Tony Bennett, who reached a fortnight shy of 97, in a duet with “deliberate practice” author Geoff Colvin’s little sister, Shawn. This took 22 takes; now that’s deliberate.)

From the same field, George Gershwin (38) and Amy Winehouse (27). Ruth Lowe might or might not have been Jewish, but she wrote “I’ll Never Smile Again” after her husband Harold Cohen died during a heart operation– at age 24.

On the other hand, there were Irvings Berlin and Caesar, both of whom made it to 101. Caesar seemed determined to break Berlin’s record, and eventually did. Kind of like Bob Hope sticking it out to 100 because a relative had made it only to 99.

People live longer is warmer climates on average and a larger percentage of older Jews move to warm climates.

It’s my opinion based on experience— I’ve had 5 strokes and 1 heart attack— that cool or cold weather increases the risk of things like heart attacks and strokes.

There’s also evidence to hint at cold weather causing strokes and cardiac issues:

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2019/01/31/chilling-studies-show-cold-weather-could-increase-stroke-risk

The pronunciation rhyming with hived is consistent with the word’s etymology (from the noun life rather than the verb to live), and was formerly far more common, because it is, well, correct.

When the boats arrived,
we said it “lived”.
But that’s been knived–
or rather, shivved–
to the lifeless “lived”.

I’ve (“iv”?) had my head handed to me at this forum for reviving to knive. Even if to knife is “correct” now, the former is classier. Petruchio didn’t “wife” it wealthily in Padua!

You seriously have never heard of Jewish neuroticism? Jewish guilt? Worrying about everything?

My best guess is that plus IQ and money, all that worrying about health actually pays some dividends.

Herman Wouk made it to 103. One of the very few right-leaning novelists I can think of apart from Tom Wolfe.

…and can employ the network effect to get ahead of potential chronic or other debilitating ailments than members of other groups in general.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-hhs-nominee-faced-scrutiny-moving-mother-care-facility-covid-19-outbreak

Biden administration nominee Rachel Levine faced scrutiny last May after she moved her mother out of a personal care facility shortly after she implemented a policy directing Pennsylvania’s nursing homes and certain care facilities to admit recovered COVID-19 patients who were treated at nearby hospitals.

Looking across the page at the other Unz articles, you might think we live so long because we enjoy genocide so much!

Dammit! Had to waste a reply because I wasn’t sure if this was an LOL or an AGREE.

Arguing about everything and trying to get over on people are not signs of a shrinking violet.

Just like the blacks, but the blacks have short life spans

Growing old and “living” a long time is overrated. Who really wants to live to be 90-100 or even 80 IF you have trouble getting around and have to take multiple pills each day. At that point you are just existing. Like douchebag John Cougar/Mellencamp sang, ” live goes on long after the thrill of living is gone.” “Three score and ten” is long enuff for MOST. You lose your looks, your hair, your teeth, your mobility, your physical strength, your libido, your memory, your eyesight, your hearing, etc. Growing old does not sound fun.

First of all that’s a stupid bet, I’d rather throw a hundred on an Aqueduct claimer. Second, given your snotty tone, I thought you were expecting some Jew who you “unfortunately” had to work with to simply grab the hundred.

My father and grandfather didn’t get to go to Harvard law school or any college, they were too busy serving in two world wars

Imma take this opportunity to encourage all to pronounce “long-lived” the way it should be pronounced: long-LYEved. That’s right, rhyming with JIVED (ex: “That jive turkey was up all night jiving. That mfer JIVED til the wee hours.”) Because if something has a long LIFE its is long-LIFE’d. Duh.

(Comparable to how in “The Lives of Others” the word does not rhyme with “gives”.)

Thanks for your attention.

–Joe Sweet aka Nietzsche Guevara

Since it’s a slow news week, how about touching on a story with potentially huge ramifications for the future of American urban centers? The fact that it is from Frontpage magazine maintains the critical jewish connection of the thread.

In a nutshell, the only group in the world with a long, uninterrupted history of successfully dealing with sub-Saharan Africans is pointing the way to a bright new era of urban renewal in America’s collapsing cities.

The below-title quote alone is a meme goldmine.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/pro-palestinian-protesters-attack-democrat-christmas-party/
“Them Arabs in motherf***ing Detroit tried to kill me!”

Good for them

I’m all for cutting 100% of aid to Israel and then having you move in with them. You can really live in the moment then!

A good amount of the longevity is probably just from Jews being midgets. Shorter people live longer, every inch over 5’9 or so you pay for in cancer and all cause mortality after your 60s. Italians are similar. If they can avoid being scumbag mafioso they’ll be 100 years old, hunched over, wandering around the neighborhood.

There does seem to be a connection (a subgroup of a subgroup, as with abstaining from drink) of Jews with “health food.” Health food stores and brands are almost always Jewish-owned, eg, the biggest one, Hain Celestial, or the store by me. There was a story about Jews in Venezuela living under Chavez (who was then still alive) — it depended on interviews with shoppers and clerks in a health food store.
But then there’s Ariel Sharon, or the Baskin-Robbins founder who ate ice cream every day and died in middle age.

Jews are not big drinkers but what about that other killer, cigarettes? I think we’re pretty low on this vice as well but my dad lived to 91 in part because he kicked a serious habit in his 40s. One grandfather was a big drinker and smoker but still lived to 88. Other grandfather was a wiry little guy who drank very little (like my dad) and was still pretty sharp at 90. He’s the one who saved a friend’s life during the Spanish Flu and the guy gave him a racehorse in return

Jews do seem very health conscious as a group. I get the impression that one reason they stick to the NY and South Florida areas is for the medical care, which they suspect is substandard in many other parts of the country. I say “they” rather than “we” here because this is one trait where I part ways with my Tribe, I actively avoid medical care

They’re all clearly Jews, and the insistence that they’re not is itself the most Jewish thing of all. Now argue to the class that Ferengi aren’t Jewish because they’re not Homo sapiens and eat crustaceans. Jewish writers and show runners guarantee that, at worst, over time the characters and storylines will Judaize. Jews love talking about themselves.

tfw jewish aversion to alcohol on one side of the fanily and japanese shyness on the other
at least I’m reasonably good at math

You’d think being a billionaire would be enough, but perhaps he became a billionaire by never thinking he had enough, and always wanting more.

Now he’ll be remembered for death by penis enlargement.

https://historica.fandom.com/wiki/Ehud_Arye_Laniado

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-billionaire-ehud-arye-laniado-died-during-a-penis-enlargement

Herman Wouk made it to 103. One of the very few right-leaning novelists I can think of apart from Tom Wolfe.

And John Updike, of whom a friend said the only federal program he supported was the Postal Service. Erica Jong lamented to an Italian magazine that Wolfe and Updike, our best writers, were “men of the right”, while those of her own persuasion were increasingly lame. (Whether that was her exact phrasing, or via the Italian and back, I don’t know.)

Don’t forget Yukio Mishima, who committed ritual seppuku in print, on film, and finally in real life. But “right” has a different meaning in different countries, as you’re conserving different things.

Mario Vargas Llosa and Václav Havel weren’t exactly rightists, but were a move in that direction. Among the French New Wave, François Truffaut was a tad and Eric Rohmer quite a bit right-wing.

Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, of Kellogg’s cereal fame, wrote a book called Plain Facts for Young and Old. In it he touted, among other things*, male circumcision, and mused that it might be responsible for the general good health and longevity of Jews.

*He was also a big fan of yogurt enemas and carbolic acid clitoridectomy.

“What other reasons might there be?”
Baby’s blood.

Do Haredim mohels live that much longer?

I mean, the richest ethnic group living the longest seems to be simple enough on it’s own. You’d expect this to be really pronounced in the US where the medical system is so dependent on money and insurance from good jobs. (Though the critical years are covered by medicare after 65, there is always something more money can get you in America in a way that isn’t true of other countries)

Though the NHS obviously makes the UK different in this respect, compared to continental European countries it is chronically underfunded and filled with incompetent and indifferent staff from the third world and Eastern Europe who may not have very senior positions but cause infections and poor care for older patients in particular. Despite the reputation of the NHS, private medical care is a big world in Britain compared to continental Europe. (Albeit in an often vicious cycle where the NHS is underfunded driving more people to private and leading to more underfunding on the back of increased public indifference both to the NHS and the vicious cycle with more and more using private care) Indians in particular seem to be in senior positions in hospice and care homes and seem to be very quick to put down elderly patients with morphine.

It’s not just the ability to pay for better medical care but the sense of comfort and self-esteem and control from higher social status. The examples of others in similar socio-economic conditions is also key, note, for example the proposals for things like a soda tax or even ban due to the massive chronic health damage done to young people in urban ghettos and other underclass populations from it’s consumption. Rich mothers fret over giving their kids too much sugar like that.

The archetypal image of the poor in Anglosphere countries is obesity from very poor but cheap diets. Albeit they are changing now too being more aware, it took longer for them to be able to adapt to the new environment of sugar-rich foods and more sedentary lifestyles.

Another way to look at it is why should all ethnic groups be identically long-lived? We have no problem with noticing that some breeds of dogs live to an average age of nine while others make it to fifteen.

Why not people? Is there some average that everyone but Jews is clinging to? Or do Bulgarians, Sicilians, Swedes, Guatemalans, Burmese all vary from the mean to a greater or lesser extent?

At any rate, I do suspect that not drinking heavily doesn’t hurt. Also, Jews seem to fret about their health more — that leads to that cancer getting detected in time more, and to adopting various health and exercise regimens that probably do more good than harm on the average.

I have a (gentile) neighbor who is eighty seven. She will not go to the doctor. Well, it’s obviously worked for her, but I doubt if it’s a statistically defensible practice.

Anderchrone

By the way, the average IQ of Israelis (Jews) is 95. I know, doesn’t fit the media induced stereotype, but facts is facts.

Ashkenaz Jews are the group with an exceptionally high average IQ, due primarily to high scores on verbal and quantitative skills. This may be due to a number of factors, e.g. (1) a strong “founder effect” about 1,000 to 1,500 years ago coupled with extreme endogamy or (2) cultural selection for these traits within a Jewish community providing services to feudal European society. On the other hand, the average IQ of Mizrahim and Sephardic Jews is not greater than and may in fact be well below 100. This probably accounts for the average IQ of Israeli Jews.

Jews can be problem drinkers who should cut back. But what’s pretty rare is for them to become gutter wino alcoholics who start drinking in the morning and continue all day if they are physically able. They also seem to avoid nordid style binge drinking that involves blacking out, passing out in the grass, etc.

Conversely I think Jews used to suffer from marijuana use disorder at a disproportionate rate. Weed legalization and the rapid decrease in its price however I think may have made extreme and pathological marijuana use more downscale and less Jewish the past decade.

NPR did a story about abusive Jewish parents a while back and alcohol was a huge factor in that;

Sure, as Jews become more assimilated their drinking habits also more closely resemble that of the general population.

there are also things like the command to drink at Purim until you cannot tell the characters apart.

This commandment is mostly observed by the ultra-Orthodox. Most secular American Jews think of Purim as a children’s holiday like Halloween and don’t even know about the getting drunk thing. And for the ultra-Orthodox it’s a once a year bender.

Unmentioned anywhere here is the historical Jewish connection to alcohol as concession-holding monopoly merchants and the Jewish use of alcohol to trick peasants into signing gratuitously unjust contracts.

It’s unmentioned because it has nothing to do with Jewish longevity. Yes, Jews were connected to the alcohol trade in E. Europe and one reason was that they didn’t get high on their own supply.

and the Jewish use of alcohol to trick peasants into signing gratuitously unjust contracts.

Yes, white people are to Jews like blacks are to white people. They should have conservators appointed for them like Michael Oher so that Joos won’t trick them into selling their birthright for a bowl of porridge. This has been going on for 3,000 years – you would think that the goyim would have caught on by now. “Here peasant, sign this contract!” Peasant, “Shouldn’t I read this first? I’ll come back when I have learned to read.” Jew: “No, no, don’t worry about it. It’s all good. Just put your X down there at the bottom. Have another glass of vodka. My treat!” Where did you learn about this? In Der Shturmer?

I was listening to an interview with some local guy who had just turned a feisty 102, so the reporterette asked the standard “What’s your secret?”

“Always have some small grudge you can nurse,” was his surprising reply. Having some minor bug up your ass helps your mind stays sharp and your juices flowing. Now this geezer was not Jewish, but it strikes me that Jews are indeed very skilled at kvetching about some little thing or other.

Only the good die young.

OT: Another 2023 R.I.P.

https://www.artnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/02_Great-White-Way_2002.jpg

Pope.L, Daredevil Artist Who Invoked Heady Ideas About Blackness, Dies at 68

Pope.L, an artist whose daredevil performances and conceptual artworks unraveled the concept of race and explored the complexities of language, died at 68 on December 23. His three galleries—Mitchell-Innes & Nash, Modern Art, and Vielmetter Los Angeles—announced his death on Wednesday, saying that he died unexpectedly in his Chicago home.

Across the past four decades, Pope.L amassed an oeuvre of works that thwarted easy readings, offering up situations that alluded to the condition of Black Americans without outright stating what they were trying to communicate. The sculptures, installations, performances, and conceptual artworks that Pope.L created were often provocative and sad—and, more often than not, funny, too, in ways that could be shocking.

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His breakthrough with an art-world audience came in 1991. Sitting in the front window of New York’s Franklin Furnace art space, Pope.L slathered himself in mayonnaise, a material that he said lent him a kind of “bogus whiteness.” The piece’s plainly funny title, I Get Paid to Rub Mayo on My Body, suggested self-commodification in the name of art.

So too did another legendary performance, 1997’s ATM Piece, for which Pope.L donned only a pair of Timberland boots and a skirt made of dollar bills, attached himself to an ATM by an eight-foot-long chain of sausage links, and doled out money to passersby. The work alluded to a newly passed law that made it illegal to panhandle within 10 feet of an ATM, and Pope.L seemed to know that he was flirting with trouble. He ended up being labeled an “E.D.P.” (emotionally disturbed person) by a police officer; a photograph documenting the performance preserves that very confrontation between him and a cop.

In 2008, he produced Trinket, a 45-foot-long American flag that shreds itself as it blows in the wind; a version of it later acted as the backdrop to a performance by the rapper Kendrick Lamar. (Only recently did the work find an institutional home with the Museum of Contemporary Art Los Angeles, due to its unusual format.) And in 2017, he staged Flint Water, an installation and performance that involved bottling contaminated water from Flint, the majority-Black Michigan city that has been mired in crisis for much of the past decade. The bottles were produced as an edition and made available for sale.

2023/12/27 by Alex Greenberger | Art News online.

Fun for the whole family …

Agreed; however wealth is typically the most dependable indicator, along with personal health habits of course. These also correlate with intelligence.

I think Jews avoid total dysfunctional drinking (or heroin for that matter) because it would interfere with the quest for financial and/or professional success and respect. Jewish men are driven to give the wife a nice house and give the kids good schools, so the kids can continue the cycle. Even in not so lucrative business sectors we want to be seen and treated as professionals

Now you might think this drive to succeed would not be healthy but for many Jewish men it’s their fun and games. On their deathbed they really might think they should have spent more time at the office.

I’m talking about secular assimilated American Jews, I do not claim to understand the Orthodox way of life but they don’t look all that healthy to me. Now weed and coke could be a problem for young Jewish guys in the fast lane, but I wouldn’t know about that either

Only successfully done after Season 5

I would visit a Norwegian friend in upstate New York, he lived in a small town near Middletown, New York, might have been Goshen. Anyhow on his street were several families who left Norway in the 1950s. The only drinker I encountered was my friend who had some serious problems with alcohol. I remember his Norwegian mom made the best lasagna that I have ever eaten, my sister in law is Italian and I lived next door to an Italian lady who cooked us a lasagna every Christmas, but they had nothing on the lady born and raised in Norway.

I remember eating waffles at my “Viking” friend’s house in upstate, NY., and they would eat their waffles with cheese. I’m like, can you please pass the syrup. I did encounter a woman in the service from Minnesota who was obviously of Nordic ancestry, the girl could and would drink the average guy under the table. So that is 2 out of about 10 people of Scandinavian descent that I have met who were drinkers, most were completely sober or social drinkers.

Sort of off topic but maybe on topic:

A commenter who calls him- or herself Noochness at David Cole’s Substack posted this:

“I don’t hear much that RFK Jr. is married to Cheryl Hines, Larry David’s wife on ‘Curb Your Enthusiasm’– maybe Larry could be ambassador to Israel?

Netanyahu: We have some complaints about—

Larry: Here we go, here comes the litany.

Netanyahu: You want the litany? I’ll give you the litany. The Palestinians—

Larry: No, actually I don’t want the litany. But you’re going to give it to me anyway, I can tell….”

https://bestservedcole.substack.com/p/a-new-yuletide-tradition/comments

Yes, white people are to Jews like blacks are to white people. They should have conservators appointed for them… “Here peasant, sign this contract!” Peasant, “Shouldn’t I read this first? I’ll come back when I have learned to read.” Jew: “No, no, don’t worry about it. It’s all good. Just put your X down there at the bottom. Have another glass of vodka. My treat!”

This is actually a reasonably concise history of early-modern Russia before the Bolsheviks.

“Most of the more recent data I’ve uncovered similarly suggests that Jews remain especially long-lived”

My vague impression is that people who live for a long time have a healthier lifestyle. In other words, it is environmental. Here is a study of what seems to be Mr. Sailer’s go-to group for discussion. I think they rank relatively high on the intersectionality hierarchy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6034120

Several studies have suggested that lifestyle and genetic factors play an important role in human longevity by protecting against age-related chronic diseases such as cancer, cardiovascular disease, and dementia.1 Although it is difficult to estimate the relative contributions of these two factors in promoting healthy longevity, studies conducted in monozygotic and dizygotic twins in Scandinavian countries have indicated that genetic factors may contribute to one-third of the genetic variance in life expectancy,2,3 but these results may not be relevant to people who live exceptionally long, for example, to 100 years. Evidence from existing studies suggests that the genetic contribution to a healthy life span in those with exceptional longevity may be greater than that in the general population,4–6 and several genes have been found to be associated with longevity these individuals.7–11 Although most of the studies in individuals with exceptional longevity have focused on genetic factors, the lifestyle of this population has received less attention. It is possible that those with exceptional longevity may practice a healthy lifestyle, or “longevity”-associated genes may protected them against the detrimental effects of an unhealthy lifestyle. To evaluate the lifestyle factors, including obesity, smoking, and physical activity, of individuals with exceptional longevity, a study was conducted in a well-defined cohort of Ashkenazi Jews with exceptional longevity.

Conclusion–People with exceptional longevity are not distinct in terms of lifestyle factors from the general population, suggesting that people with exceptional longevity may interact with environmental factors differently than others. This requires further investigation.

The ‘ruthless’ example of ‘will to power’ held public office for one eight year period followed by a couple of months-long stints on blue ribbon commissions and some minor (volunteer) gigs on advisory committees. Between 1946 and 1969, the number of people working under him likely never exceeded a secretary and a couple of research assistants. He had a record as an occupation official in post-war Germany. Just what ‘ruthless’ things did he do in those positions?

Wow, what a great story. Thanks for sharing.

Most of the episodes are still very funny. Some are now regarded as not PC. In one episode Jerry decides not to date a woman because she has “man hands”. 30 years later a heterosexual man is supposed to continue dating a woman when he discovers she has “man genitals”.

Ruth Lowe was Jewish.

Gershwin died of a rare brain tumor.

Winehouse died of alcohol poisoning. Her blood alcohol level at time of her death was 0.416%, 5x the driving limit.

Longevity is a game of averages. In any group you are going to have some people who die young but Jews have fewer alcohol related deaths than most groups. Drinking less alcohol is going to add a few years to the group average.

Note that, unlike Muslims or Mormons, Jews are not banned from drinking alcohol. They just don’t drink a lot of it, except for some outliers like Winehouse. When I was growing up, a bottle of vodka might last for years around my parents’ house. When my non-Jewish brother in law would come to stay at my mother in laws, I would be amazed to see entire fifths of booze disappear in a matter of days. It was like the proverbial hollow leg. And this guy was a functional alcoholic – a college professor, not a bum.

Jews drink even less than other Mediterranean people like Italians – Italians will have wine with every meal. Jews in E. Europe didn’t really drink table wine, just wine for ritual purposes and liquor only on special occasions. It just wasn’t a part of the regular diet.

Well, our 103-year-old neighbor who passed away this Christmas Eve was not Jewish, but I don’t know how much alcohol she consumed.

Previous to this residence, we had a 93-year-old neighbor who said her secret was drinking “Stoli” in the morning. She was Polish American, and the booze didn’t seem to hurt her. She always had a large bottle of the vodka in her pantry.

My father drank Scotch every evening and smoked cigarettes all day. He lived self-sufficiently in our mountain house among the elk at 7,800 feet to the age of 85. He dropped dead in the driveway after driving home from the store. He had gone to buy cigarettes.

Anecdotes don’t mean much, but I wonder if genetics has more to do with this than anything else. I’m pretty sure it does.

Not working with hands or body.

On the other hand, the average IQ of Mizrahim and Sephardic Jews is not greater than and may in fact be well below 100. This probably accounts for the average IQ of Israeli Jews.

Noticibly below 100, but not “well below.” As I’ve been commenting over the IDF’s ability to stomp on Hamas with remarkably few dead in what’s normally the most brutal type of modern warfare. The average Israeli IQ is well above Palestinians who are around the general average of 85 for Arabs (but not those in Yemen who are officially a more African 66 (!)) and this pays of big in modern warfare, all the way down to the lowliest infantryman.

If you don’t count the Sephardim as “of European descent” or only some fraction, then I’m pretty sure “the overwhelming majority [of Israeli Jews] aren’t of European descent.”

And “Israeli” is not axiomatically Jewish, using Wikipedia and religion as a proxy, only 73.6% as of 2022. 18.1% Muslim, then a scattering of others including the now rare Samaritans. Wikipedia says ~874, while I seem to remember a figure of six thousand a while ago. Given that both they and the Jews are “Old Testament” Abrahamic a compare and contrast for why one population ended up being so successful might be interesting.

You must have been a real popular guy around the office.

Back when America had a draft, Jews served alongside everyone else. My in-laws had a circle of “Greatest Generation” friends and to a man, every one of them had been in the military.

Nowadays we have a volunteer army and we don’t have mandatory quotas for ethnic groups. The most “patriotic” of all ethnic groups are the blacks, who make up 21% of the Army, far above their weight in the population. In reality, this has nothing to do with their patriotism (or that of Jews).

In a volunteer army, people choose to enlist or choose other jobs based upon their relative economic prospects. If you go to work for a Big Law law firm, your starting salary nowadays will be north of $200k. An Army private makes around 1/10th of that. So naturally, the people with the mental HP to make it as Big Law associates would rather do that than make 1/10th as much as privates. OTOH, if you are a black kid or a working class white kid from W. Virginia, $26k/yr might sound pretty good to you.

More evidence that only the good die young.

The Ashkenazim have a high average IQ because they are European.

Q.E.D.

They don’t do hazardous work and avoid military service and farming if you believe Solzhenitsyn.

I’m pretty good friends with a Jewish farmer, FWIW.

And he’s certainly not the only one. Perhaps the most famous was Max Yasgur, who allowed the Woodstock Music Festival to take place on his farm.

Not yer typical stereotype

BTW I understand our own Jack’eD grew up on a chicken farm in New Jersey, God bless him.

Not to mention the infamous Puerto Rican Day Parade episode…

“How else could one explain a Jeffrey Toobin or Elliot Spitzer . . .”

That they crave novelty and excitement more than others and that includes sexual novelty/excitement? That or they despair of boredom.

We’ve had the sports fanatic discussion on this site mostly relative to southerners and I really don’t know where Jews land on that scale either. Sure, there are the Jewish sports fanatic movies and the porno industry, but is their libido calibrated north of average and their sports fandom above or below average? I don’t know. The unifying trait for Spitzer and Toobin might not be their Jewishness. For every Roth there may be an Updike.

The funniest bits in Seinfeld emanate from the various mental disorders afflicting the four main characters. They don’t need to label the behaviors presented as indigenous to the Upper West Side because we’re all in on the joke. Seasons 4-7 are stellar. Along with Classical music Jews really excel at humour. I’ve worked with a few Jews and it was a lot of fun but I had to work at keeping up with them what with my IQ and all.

Solzhenitsyn talked about repeated efforts by the Russian state to make farmers of their Jewish population. All in vain, apparently.

Did your Dad hunt the elk in his mountain aerie?

“Back when America had a draft, Jews served alongside everyone else.”

Which is why we should return to the draft. Not just Jews, but the kids of MIC investors and members of Congress too.

You have to admit that when we had a draft Jews were very visible in the anti-war movement.

A lot of this has to do with “smarter fraction”. The top people in Israel (usually Ashkenazi), including in their Army, are as smart as anyone on earth. These are the people who determine strategy in Gaza and do it in a way that minimizes Israeli troop losses. They are the ones who procure Namer APCs (based on Merkava tanks) and body armor and so on to afford the troops top quality protection. They are the ones that use combined arms and send in air strikes before the infantry is sent in. And so on – minimizing Israeli casualties is an important goal for the IDF and they have structured their strategy and tactics and equipment to fulfill this goal – it’s no accident. And this is not just at the very top but extending down into the officer corps.

So if the typical Israeli recruit is some Sephardi guy with an IQ in the 90s, he is still going to be protected (just as American troops are also protected).

Now the top Hamas guys are also clever, in a killer sort of way. But they really don’t have a deep bench. Anyone with any brains in Gaza got out years ago. The original refugees in Gaza were mostly fellahin (peasants) to begin with. The Palestinian elites had connections in Cairo or Beirut or Damascus and were not going to linger in some refugee camp for 70 years. They get a lot of help from the Iranians but politics dictates that the Iranians have to remain in the background and offer assistance from afar.

Note that, unlike Muslims or Mormons, Jews are not banned from drinking alcohol. They just don’t drink a lot of it, except for some outliers like Winehouse. When I was growing up, a bottle of vodka might last for years around my parents’ house.

Yep, this is the best alcohol culture. Available–not some forbidden fruit–but not burned through. (Alcohol sits around in my house–and I see in AnotherDaughter’s house–too.)

But Jews obviously have a few other factors going for them:
— high IQ, doing less stupid stuff; and now with medical care, seeking out care for treatable problems
— more white collar work, less exposure to on-the-job injury; less damage from dirty/dusty/toxic environments; (noticeable how well/long folks were doing at my parent’s UMC/professional class retirement community)
— probably a bit less isolation, more family/community connection clung to; with the us/them thing

And I’d bet almost certainly some natural longevity selection. If you do a middle-man occupation there would be more benefit to your children from you staying around accumulating wealth and teaching skills, than there would be for the corresponding gentile peasant (selection for smarts, planning, mechanical skill, conscientiousness, health, physical robustness, get up and go … but not so much span.) So long-lived genes would correlate with richer more-successful Jewish families and be selected for.

The most robust and healthy looking Jews seem to be Israel’s “national religious” settlers. They often work outside and have tan or ruddy faces and sunbleached blond highlights on their often wild Jesus-ish hair. The women have a casual trad farmwife look and they are very fertile.

It is a much better look than the pale sickly Hasidic 1820’s Lithuania look.

Maybe this had more to do with Russian society than with Jews? There were plenty of Jewish farmers in America at one time:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-agricultural-and-industrial-aid-society#:~:text=JEWISH%20AGRICULTURAL%20(and%20Industrial%20Aid)%20SOCIETY%2C%20organization%20chartered%20in,with%20rural%20industry%20to%20supplement

Mostly they were located in the coastal states and in the poultry industry. When, with the advent of refrigerated trucking post WWII, the egg industry mostly moved south (where costs were lower), the Jews did not follow. With greater access to higher education, the offspring of most Jewish farmers preferred to take up professional careers instead.

Eleventh Commandment: Don’t be a freier!

Keep your wits about you and you will tend to live longer.
Drink and more likely you will not.

Longevity is a well-established class marker. Even then Jews were rising by kissing up and kicking down.

The swing era band leader and clarinetist, Artie Shaw–a jew–walked away from the music biz to become a DAIRY farmer.

A self-centered neuroticism about health and money and then their guilt is only about “not being Jewish enough” as Steve would say.

They couldn’t give a flying fuck about what the Goyim or anyone else think, nor if somebody wants to guilt them about bankrolling a porn. Doesn’t faze them or make them feel shame in the least bit. It’s just satisfying an urge, scratching an itch and nobody’s business but their own.

There were no nuns in Hebrew school convincing them they’d go blind.

This is likely some Welsh girls’ middle school video project that has gotten misconstrued as government propaganda.

Of course, Welsh middle school girls (and all UK kids) are fed boatloads of actual government propaganda, so this the kind of stuff they produce when given “free expression”, but still that’s not quite the same as being a government production.

Whiskey bottles …
brand new cars …
Oak tree you’re in my way …

Jack, I look forward to your book about the the Jewish egg industry.

‘Fascinating!’ as Steve replied when I emailed him about some boring thing or another.

Okay, but why do Jewish men die before their wives?

Because they want to.

Which races and ethnicities were less likely to smoke tobacco 50 years ago and now?

It doesn’t shorten every smoker’s life. My SIL’s mother quit in her 50s after her husband died of cancer from cigar-smoking in his 60s. She died last fall at 100. Her youngest son died of lung cancer at 70 this summer. He was the only one in the family that never smoked.

The Jewish population of Russia was inconsequential prior to the partitions of Poland. Afterward, Jews were confined by law to the western frontier provinces.

In a volunteer army, people choose to enlist or choose other jobs based upon their relative economic prospects
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Every once in a while you say something that’s unintentionally revealing.

Both probably matter. What you are referring to is known as the “system integrity hypothesis.” Recycling part of a recent comment.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-halting-the-pursuit-of-knowledge/#comment-6285606

See the “system integrity hypothesis” here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_epidemiology#System_integrity_hypothesis_vs_evolution_hypothesis

The System integrity hypothesis posits that childhood intelligence is just one aspect of a well wired and well-functioning body and suggests that there is a latent trait that encompasses intelligence, health and many other factors.[82][83] This trait indexes how well the body is functioning and how well the body can respond to change and return to a normal balance again (allostatic load). According to the system integrity hypothesis lower IQ does not cause mortality but instead poor system integrity causes lower intelligence and poorer health as well as a range of other traits which can be thought of as markers of system integrity. Professor Ian Deary has proposed that fluctuating asymmetry, speed of information processing, physical co-ordination, physical strength, metabolic syndrome and genetic correlation may be further potential markers of system integrity which by definition should explain a large part of or nullify the relationship between intelligence and mortality.

At age 65?!

I have mixed feelings about that. The attentiveness might be beneficial, but I think it is important to manage your own care to a degree. Not sure uncritically and indiscriminately following mainstream medical advice is the route to healthy longevity.

A lot of people drink when socializing to get over their shyness — Nordics are especially notorious for this. Are Jews less shy on average?

I haven’t seen any official statistics; but that is almost certainly the case.

Jerry REALLY looks down on the working class…the bus boy monologue about how the bus boy hates his life shows how little Jerry knows about being a restauranteur.

I don’t think Seinfeld has ever done serious physical work and his arrogance shows.

As the series progressed, that became part of the joke, perhaps the dominant aspect. They’re all supposed to be selfish, self-absorbed people who casually wreck other people’s lives, despite thinking well of themselves.

That’s why it was funny. As Seinfeld commented about the series: Nobody hugs, nobody learns anything. They didn’t want to be like Cheers.

I found the Bette Midler episode to be funny – not the best, certainly, but not bad. I like the gunning gag of Rochelle, Rochelle which went from being an Emmanuelle-like soft-core porn movie in earlier seasons to being a big Broadway musical.

I must admit that a lot of the sitcoms in the 90s were pretty good, in the sense of being pretty consistently funny. I’ve recently been watching episodes of Just Shoot Me, and they’re quite entertaining. It doesn’t take itself seriously – it’s mostly just gags and one-liners and for the most part, it works.

Do Jews have children at a later age than gentiles, on average? That is something that I can imagine would eventually select for longevity.

“There were plenty of Jewish farmers in America at one time.”

Your citation establishes that they had an office at one time and that the office serviced thousands. Not much to go on there with regard to proportions. That Jews preferred more remunerative and presumably less arduous work than the agricultural work promoted by the Czars doesn’t tell us much about either the Czars or the Jews. That the Czars sought to end the abuses relative to the serfs by promoting agricultural labor for the non-agricultural Jews and that effort resulted in failure tells us something about willingness of the Russian Jewish population to play ball with the country’s leadership on matters of mutual benefit to the nation as a whole.

Evidence indicates that smoking clearly does shorten life (on average.) But this is not true of alcohol consumption. Drinking a little booze (even a lot of booze) actually extends human life.

https://nationalpost.com/news/heavy-drinkers-live-longer-than-non-drinkers-study-finds

Only one of the four is Jewish. George, of Italian descent therefore presumably Catholic, was once reminded by Jerry “but you don’t drink”.

The series strongly implies that George is Jewish, and weakly implies that Kramer might be too. Only Elaine is explicitly supposed to be a gentile. And she is the one who is shown drinking the most and the only one shown getting drunk.

People have written books about this already. I wouldn’t bring it up at all except that people here seem to have antique notions about Jews like they were marooned on a desert island and the most recent book that they have access to is The International Jew by Henry Ford.

Israel has a very notable agricultural sector that is responsible for some important innovations such as drip irrigation that are now found all over the world. I should note though that if you visit a kibbutz today that most likely you will find that a segment of it has been converted to an industrial park doing some sort of light industry (plastics manufacturing, for example). It’s really hard to make a living doing just agriculture. Most agricultural commodities are very low on the value added chain – when you buy a loaf of bread for $3, the wheat farmer gets 10 cents. A lot of farmers moonlight with 2nd jobs to pay the bills.

I think that Hebrew Billy Joel put it very aptly in his song, “Only the Good Die Young”. The devil looks after his own.

I’ve been commenting over the IDF’s ability to stomp on Hamas with remarkably few dead in what’s normally the most brutal type of modern warfare.

All about IQ, hmm? Tell ya what, let’s arm both sides equally–a fair fight for once–and see how the cards fall.

Less excessive drinking is probably part of the answer.

The theory I’ve heard is that the longer one’s ancestral population has been exposed to alcohol, the less of a problem it should be. For example, Spaniards, being on the European side of the Mediterranean, have evolved in a temperate climate amenable to grape cultivation. Thus they would have fermented grapes into wine at a very early stage and been around alcohol in the form of wine for a very long time. Which is why we don’t tend to think of Spaniards (or Italians for Greeks for that matter) as being particularly prone to alcoholism. But as you go farther north you’ll find populations which did not develop fermentation of the materials on hand (potatoes or grains or whatever) until much later on, thus leading to their notorious alcohol issues (I offer Russia and the British isles as prime examples). And of course alcohol has been an utter disaster for New World Indians and Australian aborigines.

Yeah, when I think of the Czars, mutual benefit are definitely the words that come to mind.

How was getting the Jews to do agricultural work supposed to help the serfs? Wouldn’t these mean an even bigger labor pool when there was already too much serf labor available and consequently low wages for them?

As Art points out, there were no Jews in most of Russia proper, only in the Pale of Settlement that Russia acquired when the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth fell apart. In the Pale, while the Jews did not generally pursue agriculture themselves, they had important roles as adders of value who would buy agricultural products from the peasants and estate owners (wheat, hides, flax, raw milk, logs, etc.) and transform them into higher value products (flour, vodka, leather and shoes, cloth and clothing, cheese, sawn lumber, etc.) Without this, there was no cash economy – all the peasants could do was to eat what they grew.

My own grandfather had a grain and lumber mill in his rural shtetl. I once saw the business directory for the town. There were many such Jewish owned businesses (my mother remembered them all when I read off their names). A leather tannery. A cattle dealer. Etc. Not only did these businesses provide an outlet for the products grown by the peasants but they also provided employment.

On the other hand, the average IQ of Mizrahim and Sephardic Jews is not greater than and may in fact be well below 100. This probably accounts for the average IQ of Israeli Jews.

Noticibly below 100, but not “well below.”

Agree. I particularly don’t get this idea that the Sephardic Jews are bozos. They were middle-manning in Spain (granted when the Spanish IQ was much lower) and continued to do so in diaspora. (Thessalonica or wherever.) They’ve occasionally thrown up impressive individuals from small populations–like Notorious RBG’s favorite Judah P. Benjamin. The Sephardic populations should at minimum be smarter than Mediterranean whites.

My SWAG on the Israelis:
Ashkenazi — 110ish
Sephardim — 102ish
Mizrahi — 90-93ish
Yemeni — dumber
~
Arabs — 87-90ish
Druze — no idea

The main thing is they’ve got a sufficient smart faction of really clever Ashkenazis to figure things out, make sure stuff that must work works. And, of course, they a) get the best military tech in the world from the United States and b) are fighting Arabs.

The Ashkenazim have a high average IQ because they are European.

First, the Ashkenazim are genetically distinct enough from the non-Ashkenazim European population that a simple DNA test can determine whether one is an Ashkenaz Jew. Second, if the Ashkenazim have a high average IQ solely because they are European then the average IQ of Ashkenazim should be about the same as the average IQ of all Europeans. In fact it is higher, at least a half standard deviation higher. On some dimensions of IQ, e.g. verbal ability, it is much higher, at least a standard deviation higher.

What is your explanation for why the US Army is 20% black? Is it because blacks are extra patriotic, unlike Jews, even more patriotic than white people?

You analysis, I believe, is correct. I was thinking the same thing before I read your comment. People who are smaller, upper class, and intelligent typically live longer than those who aren’t. Smarter people are less likely to not be around alcoholic/druggie people and are more future-oriented.

Mormons aren’t especially smart, but live longer due to clean living, perhaps even longer than Jews, which considering Mormons tend to be bigger.

In the Pale, while the Jews did not generally pursue agriculture themselves, they had important roles as adders of value who would buy agricultural products from the peasants and estate owners (wheat, hides, flax, raw milk, logs, etc.) and transform them into higher value products (flour, vodka, leather and shoes, cloth and clothing, cheese, sawn lumber, etc.) Without this, there was no cash economy – all the peasants could do was to eat what they grew.

Only in a completely static model of the economy.

What’s–obviously–actually way, way, way better is for the peasants–i.e. the nation’s people–to do all those occupations themselves. Middle man themselves, develop the full range of skills in their own population … and have the selection effects for that. It provides better skill matching–boy with talent for X, does X. It makes the population more resilient, flexible, capable. And populations which have done this are/were better prepared for the breakout to modernity.

It is no coincidence that the “breakout” to modernity occurred in England and France where they had wisely expelled the Jews, middle-manned themselves and Jewish populations were low. While the Jew-heavy Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth sunk into statis and its people were–and remain–the backward.

Having some middle man caste(s) extract wealth while the nation’s people stay feudal peasants isn’t the recipe for anything. If it was India–this feudal model on steroids–would rule the world.

My explanation is that people don’t sign up for the armed services for purely pecuniary reasons.

My Dad tells of how in 1967 all the Jewish 20-year olds in the brokerage office he was interning in while going to college at night did everything they could to avoid the Draft for Vietnam. The moment the Six Day War started they were clamoring to say they wanted to go to Israel to join the IDF.

My 22-year old Dad then got drafted in mid-67 and literally landed in Saigon the week of the First Tet Offensive.

None of those guys in his office ever got drafted nor went to Vietnam.

Jimmy Carter always had trouble keeping his mouth closed, even when president, all we ever saw was his teeth. As for Henry Kissinger, we’ve only seen him sitting down for the past ten or twenty years, not walking around. His voice has always sounded like he was half dead.

“How was getting the Jews to do agricultural work supposed to help the serfs?”

Cmon, don’t play dumb. To take the excess of roving tinkers and booze sellers out of the economy and their related swindles in the case of the booze sellers. You aren’t arguing that the Jewish population kept itself to the shtetls are you? Just for kicks and giggles, to what do you attribute the peasant violence if not to the abuses of the roaming booze sellers and the tax farmers? Anti-semitism in all its oblique causation elements?

How far on average did the peasants have to travel to get to the Pale to take out their anger in the much ballyhooed pograms (which Solzhenitsyn suggests were exaggerated)?

I expect you to disagree with Solzhenitsyn but at least make your objections coherent. And yes, please keep the pseudo psychological causes to a minimum if possible.

Blacks like government jobs. I heard a Black woman spout off on a mostly empty CTA bus on how “people” join the military because of the “benefits” and the US government was apparently going to endanger those enlisted people by invading Iraq in 2003.

Well, duh. It’s the freaking military, not a City of Chicago job.

The most “patriotic” of all ethnic groups are the blacks, who make up 21% of the Army, far above their weight in the population.

No, it’s the Scots-Irish as it always has been. (Black military participation is only very slightly higher than their young adult population percentage–a couple of points. You picked their favorite service branch.)

But, I’ll grant you that military service is not the be all and end all of patriotism. That is best determined simply by people’s loyalty to their fellow citizens and their interests.

it is environmental

It is very Corvinus-like to seize on one side of a false dichotomy (remember how you keep asking me to provide citations for your fallacies? well, here is one).

But at least in this case you look to be on the more than half right side.
A meta-analysis of genome-wide association studies identifies multiple longevity genes
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11558-2

Based on twin studies, the heritability of human lifespan has been estimated to be ~25%, although this estimate differs among studies2. On the other hand, the heritability of lifespan based on the correlation of the mid-parent (i.e., the average of the father and mother) and offspring difference between age at death and expected lifespan was estimated to be 12%3. A recent study has indicated that the different heritability estimates may be inflated due to assortative mating, leaving a true heritability that is below 10%4. The heritability of lifespan, estimated using the sibling relative risk, increases with age5 and is assumed to be enriched in long-lived families, particularly when belonging to the 10% longest-lived of their generation6.

“People live longer is warmer climates on average and a larger percentage of older Jews move to warm climates.

It’s my opinion based on experience— I’ve had 5 strokes and 1 heart attack— that cool or cold weather increases the risk of things like heart attacks and strokes.”

Total nonsense, cold Nordic countries have some of the highest longevity rates in the world, while hot India and Africa have some of the lowest.

Americans who live in colder states might have higher rates of heart attacks and strokes because they stay at home in winter hardly moving and eating junk food. Sitting for extended periods is a killer, it causes blood to thicken and form clots leading to strokes and heart attacks.

Especially when your prostate goes first and your knees second!
At least I still have sharp eyesight and hearing – the suckiest part for me is that everyone is know is worse off than me so I can’t even complain.

Go big or get gone

Are Jews smaller and/or weaker than other men?

They all look like thugs from an Israeli trailer park.

The Jews of Israel are about half and half Ashkenazi and Sephardic. The Sephardim are not of European descent.

Re: Kissinger’s longevity.

It’s a genetic thing. His mother lived to 97, his father to 95 and brother to 97.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_KissingerIs

Exactly, that’s where this was taking place.

How far on average did the peasants have to travel to get to the Pale ?

It’s clear from your question that you don’t have the slightest understanding of how the Russian Empire was set up. All you have is Joo on the brain disease.

People in the West used to think that all of our problems with Russia stemmed from Communism. But now that Communism is gone, we can see that Russian nationalism was there before, during and after Communism. When Solzhenitsyn came West, we hailed him as some kind of anti-Communist hero, but he never liked the West. He holed himself up in some forest compound in Vermont so that he could pretend he was still in Russia. Russian nationalism is incompatible with Western thought and with notions such as the equal status of the Jews as national citizens that have been common in the rest of Europe since Napoleon. As a Russian nationalist, Solzhenitsyn could only see the Jews as an alien race living among his own. Of course, this is how the Men of Unz see Jews also so it’s not surprising that you would find his views congenial. But keep in mind he hated America too.

There is no question that by the later bloody standards of the 20th century, when millions would die, many of the pogroms had a low body count. In the infamous Kishinev pogrom of 1903, which received a lot of ink in the Western press at the time, “only” 49 Jews were killed. People in the West at that time were not wrong to be shocked or upset – 49 deaths is still a lot of deaths (plus a lot more injuries, rapes, pillaging, etc.) It’s just that in 1903 people were still naive and unaware of the infinitely greater horrors the new century would bring. Also, what was shocking about Kishinev was not so much the pogrom itself but that the Russian government authorities had turned a blind eye to the pogrom and did not try to stop it.

The foreign middleman idea was from the Polish nobility (the most vile group in European history), not the Jews themselves, and was to prevent the emergence of a native middle class which could create problems for the nobles. Similarly, the nobility hobbled the monarchy, which was never very powerful in Poland.
Rent-seeking property owners are the scum of the earth and the biggest threat to society. When the Romans started to fall apart, it was the result of a class like that, interfering with governance and tradition to preserve profits. The Semitic practice of Jubilee sensibly broke theit power at regular intervals to preserve social harmony.
Also, a quibble: “Poland” (here including some other bits) was divided between three empires, and the respective pieces actually tracked with the varying levels of those partitioners, eg, Austrian Poland was pretty much the same as rural Austria, and Russian Poland was the most backward. This regional effect persists into the present day.

During WW2, Jews were about 3.5% of the US population, about 3.5% of the men in service, and 2.5% of the war dead. That is 10,400+ Jewish dead out of 405,000+ American dead.

-Discard

Hardly anyone joins the service because of “patriotism,” they join for a J-O-B with GREAT benefits. I don’t know about the Army, Marines, or Air Force, but I ate GOOD in the USCG, I heard the USN also eats well. Nothing for me to eat 3 ribeye steaks for dinner. We had 3 FULL meals a day, even the lunch was a full course meal. Underway they served an additional snack, “midrats”, for people who had the 11:30-3:30 watch.

I always laughed to myself when someone would say, ” thank you for your service. ” lolol. Any Southern White male or any straight White male who joins the U.S. military for “patriotic” reasons has to be an idiot especially now. Why fight for a nation that treats you like shit.

Why do women live longer than men?

An article from Harvard lists the larger size of men among the answers.

Other factors mentioned: dangerous jobs tend to be male jobs, men commit suicide more often, take more risks, are more likely to die of heart disease, avoid doctors more, are less social.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-men-often-die-earlier-than-women-201602199137

Russian peasants were tied to specific plots of land (and would mainly travel only during the terrifying twenty-year army enlistment or Siberian exile, which you had to effect yourself on foot). The Pale was “Russian” Poland, bearing in mind that this would include Ukraine, so we’re mainly talking about “Rossiya not Rus,” nationally but not ethnically Russian peasants. Towards the end peasants were allowed to travel and move to cities, there’s a famous autobiography of one who became successful at business after emancipation.

I’ll add that when I joined in the early 1980s the country wasn’t nearly as anti White as it is now. I would be homeless before I would voluntarily join the U.S. military as a White male in 2023.

First of all, value added is not the same as “middle manning” (although wholesalers and retailers also serve a vital function in a market economy even if they do not transform the goods – middle manning is not a dirty word. Ask Amazon.)

2nd, you are looking in the wrong end of the telescope. The reason the Polish nobility invited the Jews into Poland in the 1st place was that they realized that their local peasants (not just the Poles but the even dumber Ruthenians (aka Ukrainians) did not have “the necessities” to do commerce. This is like saying that blacks are poor and stupid because they don’t own the businesses in the ghetto. No, it’s the other way around. You are advocating for a sort of “magic dirt” theory.

A few years ago I visited what remains of my mother’s shtetl. My grandfather’s mill was operated by the local collective farm into the 1970s at which point it was abandoned. It still had the original machinery that my grandfather had purchased in the 1920s. I have seen the business directory from the 1920s for this town. In addition to my grandfather’s mill, there were various other (mainly but not entirely) Jewish owned businesses mostly concerned with adding value to the local agricultural products – a leather tannery, etc. None of these businesses remain. I didn’t see any signs of commerce beyond one bodega type grocery store. The locals (mostly old people) had basically reverted to doing subsistence agriculture.

The same thing happened in parts of Africa when the locals threw out the “colonialists” and the Indians. When the Israelis left behind fully intact greenhouses in Gaza, they were not maintained as viable businesses. The locals swarmed in like locusts and picked the place clean – one guy got a window pane, one guy got a table, one guy got a fan so millions of $ of productive infrastructure were reduced to random junk and scrap metal with 1/10th the value.

Not that it makes much of a difference but the cited tweet says 14 yr. old, not twelve.

“It is very Corvinus-like to seize on one side of a false dichotomy (remember how you keep asking me to provide citations for your fallacies? well, here is one”

I ask you to explain exactly how and why it is a fallacy. You choose not to here.

NOTICE you didn’t dispute my source nor I didn’t dispute that hereditary plays a role in human longevity.

Mhttps://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/traits/longevity/

—The study of longevity genes is a developing science. It is estimated that about 25 percent of the variation in human life span is determined by genetics, but which genes, and how they contribute to longevity, are not well understood. A few of the common variations (called polymorphisms) associated with long life spans are found in the APOE, FOXO3, and CETP genes, but they are not found in all individuals with exceptional longevity. It is likely that variants in multiple genes, some of which are unidentified, act together to contribute to a long life.

Whole genome sequencing studies of supercentenarians have identified the same gene variants that increase disease risk in people who have average life spans. The supercentenarians, however, also have many other newly identified gene variants that possibly promote longevity.

Scientists speculate that for the first seven or eight decades, lifestyle is a stronger determinant of health and life span than genetics. Eating well, not drinking too much alcohol, avoiding tobacco, and staying physically active enable some individuals to attain a healthy old age; genetics then appears to play a progressively important role in keeping individuals healthy as they age into their eighties and beyond.

Many nonagenarians and centenarians are able to live independently and avoid age-related diseases until the very last years of their lives.—

It depends what you mean by “Sephardic”. In broad terms, everyone Jewish who is not Ashkenazi can be called “Sephardic”. This included the true Sephardim (Sefarad means “Spain” in Hebrew) who are the descendants of the expelled Jews of Spain and Portugal who accepted the invitation of the Ottoman Sultan and settled in the Ottoman Empire but it also includes other groups of Jews such as the Jews of Yemen who never set foot in Spain and had been in the Middle East since ancient times.

The true Sephardim are just as European as the Ashkenazi Jews but a lot of the Mizrahim (Eastern Jews) are not. The Yemeni Jews were extremely backward, coming from an isolated pre-industrial society and unfamiliar with modern conveniences like plumbing. Genetically they are closer to Arabs than to Europeans or even Levantines.

All Mediterranian Caucasians have very low rates of alcoholism compared to their northern cousins. Ashkinazi Jews are half Hebrew, and, for the most part, half Italian.

Back during the run-up to the insane Iraq War, I had the misfortune of working on a staff composed mostly of Jews. We really didn’t have a brief to talk politics, but nevertheless they insisted, and all of them to a man supported the Bush Iraq intervention, almost as if they had all been directed to by some unseen hidden force.

Of course, I can’t speak to your personal experience, but fwiw, survey data indicate that Jews disapproved of Iraq War at much higher rate than the population at large.

Das juden, regardless their longevity, do not age well: viz IQ214, who by looks alone is 65 going on 90. Judish women are even worse and all resemble witches by age 35 at the latest.

The best part of that is you seem to think it was a compelling response. Thanks for the chuckle.

P.S. I quoted you writing “it is environmental.” The meaning of that is clear. That you can’t see it is picking one side of a false dichotomy is your problem, not mine.

I agree that age alone does not indicate having a quality life. This especially true with dementia, losing the ability to read and write and think straight.

But not everyone gets dementia. I saw a video of Kissinger discussing the Oct 7 attacks. He was pretty decrepit looking but understood what was going on.

Ed Ames is another Jewish person who lived a long life. He died this year at 95.

““There were plenty of Jewish farmers in America at one time.””

But no plantation owners! Crazy!

It is a compelling response. I can’t help it you are being too stubborn here to admit it.

“That you can’t see it is picking one side of a false dichotomy is your problem, not mine.”

That’s rich considering you offered a source that focuses on the genetic side, along with your comment “But at least in this case you look to be on the more than half right side”.

Again, you’re not disputing the conclusions from the sources I provided, so I am on the right track. Thanks for tacitly acknowledging it!

Some more up to date articles on this subject:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23057246/

https://www.atlantajewishtimes.com/do-jews-live-longer/

https://www.thejc.com/news/and-now-for-the-good-news-jews-do-live-longer-agvqrcww

Now you might think this drive to succeed would not be healthy but for many Jewish men it’s their fun and games. On their deathbed they really might think they should have spent more time at the office.

Old Jewish joke : Moshe was on his death bed surrounded by family. He raises his head and asks “Mendel are you there?”

“Yes, Father, I am here.”

A moment later Moshe says, “Izzy, are you there?”

His son, Izzy assures him he is by his side.

“Joshua,” says the ailing Moshe, “Are you there?”

“I’m here Poppa,” said Joshua taking his hand.

“Rivka are you here?”

” Don’t worry Poppa, I’m here”

Moshe raises himself on his elbow,

“Then who the hell is minding the business?!”

Conspicuously absent: chicks see the doc more and actually listen to instructions. Modern medicine is largely there to help you feel better, not to help you get better. Most of health is nutrition and good decision making. There are accidents, genetic curses, and genuine medicine, but not at a rate which justifies female doctor visits.

Jewish men also had a longevity advantage in the USSR back in 1989:

https://daviscenter.fas.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/files/2021-04/Tolts%20M.%20A%20Half%20Century%20of%20Jewish%20Emigration%20from%20the%20Former%20Soviet%20Union%20-%20Harvard4%20_0.pdf

“At the onset of the mass exodus, Jewish males had a much higher life
expectancy than the average for total Soviet males, whereas Jewish females in the
Soviet Union had no such advantage. Life expectancy at birth for Soviet Jews in
1988-1989 was 70.1 for males and 73.7 for females (Andreev et al. 1993).”

This might be due in part due to Soviet Jewish men possibly drinking less alcohol, especially vodka, relative to Soviet Slavic men. Another possible reason for this might be superior average Soviet Jewish genes, though it’s less likely because Soviet Jewish women apparently did not have any longevity advantage over Soviet gentile women back in 1989.

I forget the name and author but there’s an excellent book from the 1900s with a passage to the effect that, Jews actually want to work and, if they somehow had a choice, would choose to continue at their business, whereas gentiles tolerate work because they want money and, if they somehow could, they would go fishing for the rest of their lives. Interestingly, in the only place where Karl Marx attempted to concretely illustrate his utopia, that’s pretty much what he said.

Okay, but why do Jewish men die before their wives?

Because they want to.

Reminds me of a curmudgeon I used to work with. Really great guy but a sharp tongue. Anyway, one day we were having a coffee in his office and one of our colleagues walked in and said “Did you hear? Bridget’s husband died yesterday.” (Bridget was the Food Services Director and a truly vicious harpy) So my friend says “Lucky guy!”

Henry Kissinger’s central role in the U.S. carpet bombing of Cambodia

“From 1969 to 1973, as national security adviser and secretary of state under President Richard M. Nixon, Kissinger directed the carpet bombing of large swaths of Cambodia that U.S. officials at the time claimed were sanctuaries for communist insurgents from South Vietnam as well as North Vietnamese soldiers. Ben Kiernan, a historian at Yale University and a leading scholar of the U.S. legacy in Cambodia, has estimated that around 500,000 tons of U.S. bombs were dropped on Cambodia during this period and killed as many as 150,000 civilians.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/30/henry-kissinger-cambodia-bombing-war/

Jews disapproved of Iraq War at much higher rate than the population at large.

Perhaps; are they known to be more resistant to propaganda, even their own? Meanwhile the problem wasn’t necessarily what JD calls “The Joos” but particular ones with names like Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Miller, Kristol, Goldberg, Adelson etc etc.

According to the Wikipedia article on Saving Private Ryan, the original screenplay did NOT include a Jewish member of the squad. The character that appears in the film as “Melish”did not materialize until Spielberg took over the project.
Moreover, the character of Melish as originally conceived, was slated to die from a gunshot. It was only during filming that his onscreen death was changed to a brutal hand to hand struggle with a remorseless nazi.
You may recall that the educated WASP Upham stood by cowering as the nazi killed Melish.
Thereafter, Upham grew a spine and killed the German referred to as Steamboat Willie, to whom Captain Miller, at Upham’s urging, had previously shown mercy.
Subtle, no?

Definition of Sephardic

Thanks for the info.

I saw a picture of a Yemeni Jewish family in Israel in the 1950s. They were sitting on the floor around a low table, no shoes (although perhaps they took off shoes inside as is the Arab custom).

Are eggs a commodity, and if so is there a way for Jews to trade in them? Throwing a slipper at a Collateralised Egg Obligation or something like that?

Also never met an overly shy Jewish person. They live in the moment and seem unburdened. They seem to just “go for it” in most circumstances.

Huh? I can’t believe what I just read.

There could be something in it. Italians are famous for longevity- not to speak of the Japanese.

Oh course it Adenochrome.

Moslems aren’t counted in the statistics for Israelis. So the 95 IQ is of Israeli Jews. Sephardic Jews are European, from Spain, although many have intermarried with the Mizrahi.

So the civil war will have the arabs, blacks, jews and mestizos fighting it out while the whites stand aside watching calmly. Who’d a thunk it?

Don’t be dense. I asked the question the way I did because the regulations of the Russian state explicitly sought to keep Jews bottled up in agricultural communities and away from non-Jewish towns and burroughs (from the temporary regulations regarding the Jews):

“As a temporary measure, and until a general revision is made of their legal status, it is decreed that the Jews be forbidden to settle anew outside of towns and boroughs, exceptions being admitted only in the case of existing Jewish agricultural colonies.”
“Temporarily forbidden are the issuing of mortgages and other deeds to Jews, as well as the registration of Jews as lessees of real property situated outside of towns and boroughs; and also the issuing to Jews of powers of attorney to manage and dispose of such real property.”
“Jews are forbidden to transact business on Sundays and on principal Christian holy days; the existing regulations concerning closing of places of business belonging to Christians on such days should apply to Jews also.”
“The measures laid down in paragraphs 1, 2, and 3 shall apply only to governments within the Pale of Jewish Settlement.”

In other words, the accursed regulations ONLY applied to the Pale of Settlement but explicitly barred Jews from settling in anything but Jewish colonies AND barred them from various land related financial powers elsewhere. The remedial action being sought is quite clear, protecting non-Jews from Jewish predations. Not some exercise in stretching the For-No-Apparent-Reason muscles of the alleged anti-Semitic Russians who didn’t travel to oppress Jews but sought state protection for their residents from the practices being exercised on them (the non-Jews) by that population of visitors/travelers/migrants.

In some instances there is even more. In many people, even perfectly healthy & functioning, anhedonia sets in. Something Swinburne articulated:

From too much love of living,
From hope and fear set free,
We thank with brief thanksgiving
Whatever gods may be
That no life lives for ever;
That dead men rise up never;
That even the weariest river
Winds somewhere safe to sea.

It may happen earlier, as Somerset Maugham noticed in a novel:

Life had no meaning. On the earth, satellite of a star speeding through space, living things had arisen under the influence of conditions which were part of the planet’s history; and as there had been a beginning of life upon it so, under the influence of other conditions, there would be an end: man, no more significant than other forms of life, had come not as the climax of creation but as a physical reaction to the environment. Philip remembered the story of the Eastern King who, desiring to know the history of man, was brought by a sage five hundred volumes; busy with affairs of state, he bade him go and condense it; in twenty years the sage returned and his history now was in no more than fifty volumes, but the King, too old then to read so many ponderous tomes, bade him go and shorten it once more; twenty years passed again and the sage, old and gray, brought a single book in which was the knowledge the King had sought; but the King lay on his death-bed, and he had no time to read even that; and then the sage gave him the history of man in a single line; it was this: he was born, he suffered, and he died. There was no meaning in life, and man by living served no end. It was immaterial whether he was born or not born, whether he lived or ceased to live. Life was insignificant and death without consequence.

The poet and educator Kenneth Koch was a man whom I greatly admire. I’d actually like to see somebody make a movie about his life. He was a friend and intimate of the great poets Frank O’Hara and John Ashbery; he was a fine poet in his own right, though not quite as good as those two — But he was a brilliant educator, who worked in the NYC school system for years, teaching poetry to kids, and he wrote several text-book classics on the art of teaching in that vein: “Making Your Own Days” and “Rose, How Did You Get That Red?” among them. A great soul. And he was Jewish.

To be rid of troubles
Of one person by turning into
Someone else, moving and jolting
As if nothing mattered but today
In fact nothing
But this precise moment…

— Kenneth Koch

If somebody had ever said to me, “That Kenneth Koch is just a no-good Jew” I woulda smashed him in the jaw with a claw-hammer. You get the idea.

I brought him up for a reason, to illustrate a point. But I don’t want to sully his memory with annoying polemics, so for the moment I’ll leave it be and come back to it later.

In the meantime: Kenneth Koch, what a great f#cking guy. Short-listed for Best Dude of the 20th Century.

My impression was that George Costanza’s family was supposed to be Mediterranean European in origin (Italian? Greek?), although because I know that Jason Alexander (born Jay Scott Greenspan) and Jerry Stiller (who played his father) are Jewish, their mannerisms and speech were VERY New York City Jewish.

Wikipedia says George’s father was Italian and his mother Jewish.

Seinfeld premiered in 1989, and I imagine that when the show was being pitched there was consciousness about the show being too obviously Jewish, therefore the ethnicities of Seinfeld’s supporting cast were made ambiguous or at least less obviously Jewish. e.g., Wikipedia also says that the Kramer character was previously named “Kessler” and before that “Hoffman” in a first draft of the original script.

All four of the main characters are obviously stereotypically Jewish in their foibles and obsessions and neuroticism, even if veiled in ambiguous or non-Jewish ethnicities. This is similar to how the writers of Sex and the City originally conceived the show as being about the sexual exploits of single gay men in Manhattan, but swapped in straight women in order to appeal to a broader audience in the late 1990s.

It is a compelling response. I can’t help it you are being too stubborn here to admit it.

It was a stupid response. You are a stupid man.

Nobody is going to follow your links or consider your arguments. You are a moron. Commenter “res” was being nice in humoring you, because that’s what you do for retards. And that is what you are…..a retard.

ended up in roughly their percentage of the population in the draft era armed forces, particularly in World War I and II.

Let’s just forget what the Coast Guard was nicknamed in WW2.

“Then who the hell is minding the business?!”

Why, cousin Pinkus, of course!

What percentage of the IDF is Black?

“A lot of people drink when socializing to get over their shyness — Nordics are especially notorious for this.”

My dad was one-quarter Norwegian, the rest English and Scots-Irish. When he quit drinking, he had one major concern with sobriety: would anyone still find him an interesting conversationalist?

It makes sense once you know Derzhavin’s account. They were already screwing over Polish peasants (with the approval of Polish nobles). When Russia initially acquired the Pale, there was a pogrom, and Derzhavin was sent to investigate why (he assumed innocent Jews and peasant ignorance, like he had been taught). He found outrageous scams and started to put a stop to it. He tried to reform the situation but was removed from his own commission after some (((meetings))). So what you’re looking at is the Russian elite deciding, okay, they’re screwing over peasants, but they already were, plus these aren’t our people so to speak, and the money is flowing nicely, but at the same time we’re not letting those people in to our neighborhoods.

These are the so called “May Laws” which were enacted in 1882. The “temporary” racist measures (a sort of Russian Jim Crow) lasted until the fall of the Czarist government in 1917 and contributed greatly to Jewish emigration. So if there are millions of Jews in America, you can thank the Czar and Count Ignatiev.

“I’ve been watching Seinfeld reruns lately, and it strikes me that none of the four main characters seem to take much interest in alcohol”

It strikes me that none of Seinfeld’s main characters seem to take much interest in anything in particular. Almost as if it’s a show about…(wait for it)…nothing in particular.

Seriously, the one aspect that makes the show seem dated is it’s total lack of awareness of the internet, which was an actual thing in the mid to late ’90’s, during the show’s heyday. Perhaps they thought that having a word processor or early, EARLY generation of a PC in one of the corners of Jerry’s pad helped give it a cool, update, and with it factor on the subtle side of things (though why Jerry would have needed a word processor remains the question. He was mostly writing his content material for his act on notepad and using pens).

But seeing that today in 2023 is quite semi cringe, as in, “Ah, no. That’s dated. Not cool, and the internet DID exist in mid to late nineties and yet they failed to directly comment on it as an actual thing at the time.”

If there is an episode or two of Seinfeld that uses the net as a throwaway line, that doesn’t exactly count, more along the lines of the word processor in the corner–possibly to show you’ve heard of it, but not to show you actually know what it is. But I don’t recall the later seasons of Seinfeld (which would’ve been filmed during the late 90’s) specifically making use that the world was changing and the net was here to stay. Unlike another groundbreaking show, for instance (albeit with a focus on a different audience) and that would be the cartoon show South Park (which debuted around the final years of Seinfeld).

Or perhaps there were many older (post 35 yr olds) in the mid 90’s that didn’t immediately get on the Internet bandwagon at the time. Hopefully Jerry and George weren’t using pagers or that would really date the show today.

Not to be that guy, but the Seinfeld thing might be off the mark.

Prime Time TV for a long time had restrictions on showing alcohol use. Even Cheers — set in a bar — would usually only have the guys nursing nondescript beers and never getting drunk. Occasionally women in the scene would order some mixed drink but it was rarely seen that they drank it full. Most other sitcoms from the 50s-90s that I can recall either had alcohol only on rare occasions or none at all.

Nowadays a lot of old restrictions network TV had are gone. During his run on CBS Dave Letterman made a running joke out of the fact that he could now say “ass” and not get bleeped, e.g. he had Dick Clark come on and say “Have a Big Ass New Year!”

And there’s usually a sponsored alcohol these days if they drink one.

All that is to say that Seinfeld‘s writers might have thought that it was too much work to try to make a episodes about alcohol without the payoff. They managed to do so about m*sturbation, but that was a one-off big deal hyped to the moon.

Jack calls people names and spells Tsar with a “C.” I actually explain things, and my comments reside in the Pale.

“…wondering again if Jews live longer on average than most others…” I suppose you never thought about why Social Security was instituted, and for whose benefit.

Of course, I can’t speak to your personal experience, but fwiw, survey data indicate that Jews disapproved of Iraq War at much higher rate than the population at large.

That is false.

> thus those whose genes rendered them vulnerable to alcoholism had been weeded out.

Nope. Significant number of Ashkenazis ASJ actually still have the gene ADH1B*2, more than EUR. ADH1B*2 creates bad alcohol metabolizm and the drinker will feel sick and most become teetotler. Alcohol attack the fatty glial cells which insulate the neuron, creating noisy neural transmission and hence lower IQ. Thus those with ADH1B*2 have significantly higher IQ. ASJ have higher IQ than CHN as they also have IQ gene CCR5 from nothern EUR which the CHN lack.

The ADH1B*2 is a significant allele in GWAS EA3. ADH1B*2 drinker is also subceptable to the uncurable esophageal cancer of which ASJ suffers more than Sephardic Jew. Note RUS have even higher % ADH1B*2 but they are heavy drinkers, so culture also has sig effects. RUS ASJ have less ADH1B*2 than EUR ASJ and both higher than EUR who virtually have none.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5595070/
“Esophageal Cancer in Israel has Unique Clinico-Pathological Features: A Retrospective Study”

I don’t blame the Russians for laws that appear reasonable on their face I blame the Americans who facilitated this which, by the way, includes important Senate leaders from the South who advocated Russian Jewish immigration explicitly for the ‘benefits’ of Jewish industry for the South, by which I suspect they meant international Jewish investment, but who also made comments suggesting they expected the Jews would temper Yankee dominance. These observations in hindsight seem both prescient and short sighted. Whether Jews ever posed a greater threat to the Yankee establishment as compared to the South is beyond my brief but that they’ve set themselves up as defamers of southern culture since at least the 1950s seems obvious enough.

Jack, I look forward to your book about the the Jewish egg industry.

Hey, it worked for Mrs McDonald:

Steve or one of his neighbors can write the screenplay.

And, of course, they a) get the best military tech in the world from the United States and b) are fighting Arabs.

When asked by a reporter what the secret to winning wars was, Gen Moshe Dayan freely offered up b).

Going by country, Japan (followed by Switzerland and Italy) have the longest life
expectancies at birth. Interestingly, the Japanese often say, “We live too long.”
Israel is 15th in life expectancy, so not much to write home about.

It’s hard to find recent well-researched studies of Jewish life expectancy in the U.S.
One reason may be that 3/4 of the U.S. Jews are atheists/agnostics, and the
latter intermarry at high rates with non-Jews. As a result, there are now hundreds
of thousand of half-Jews (like Bill Maher) and quarter-Jews. Do these count as
Jews in the stats? Moreover, Jews are regularly subjected to mass killings like
the Holocaust and the October 7 attack. These shorten their life expectancy
considerably. For example, the Irish sat out WW II so their life expectancy was not
affected by the war.

What’s well established is the existence of the so-called blue zones, i.e. regions
with very high longevity. Examples include Okinawa, Greek island of Ikaria, and
the city of Loma Linda in California. Also well established is the extreme
longevity of Seventh Day Adventists. In California they are concentrated in
Loma Linda, and hence Loma Linda is a blue zone. Wikipedia has a whole
article called “Adventist Health Studies.” On average, Adventist men live
7.3 years longer and Adventist women 4.4 years longer than other Californians.

Does anybody remember the movie “Lost Horizon” (1937) and its portrayal
of Shangri- La, an idyllic valley whose founder was said to be 200 years old?
Patrick Flanagan, boy genius and prolific inventor, was inspired by the movie,
and came to believe it was mostly the local quality of water that could extend
one’s healthy lifespan. He invented a supplement that supposedly imparts
healing properties to ordinary water. He died at 75 due to a fall, but his
supplement is continuing to sell in the millions.

As a Russian nationalist, Solzhenitsyn could only see the Jews as an alien race living among his own. Of course, this is how the Men of Unz see Jews also so it’s not surprising that you would find his views congenial.

If so, he was just following the lead of jews themselves—most jews are Zionists, seeing themselves as an alien race living amid White nations. “Next year in Jerusalem!”

George, of Italian descent therefore presumably Catholic, was once reminded by Jerry “but you don’t drink”.

I would say the George character is obviously Jewish, as his mother is obviously Jewish. One point against that argument is that the Jerry character went away to summer camp as a child, while George didn’t. They made the character Italian just to slip under the radar.

As for George’s lack of drinking, there was an episode where the gang went to a dinner party, and George wanted to bring Pepsi as a gift, with Elaine overruling him because “we’re adults”.

They’re all clearly Jews

The guys are, but Elaine has WASP written all over her.

Jewish writers and show runners guarantee that, at worst, over time the characters and storylines will Judaize.

Everybody Loves Raymond is an interesting case study as the namesake is obviously Italian, while the showrunner is very much Jewish, so you have a melding of the styles, which most of the country finds interchangeable. After all, Peter Boyle is Irish while Doris Roberts is Jewish, and no one blinked at them being cast as Italian parents. The brother is obviously Jewish as well. I also found it amusing that they cast three Aryans who were real-life siblings to play the children.

And he spoke Arabic and was comparatively liberal in Israeli terms. Those who came after him were several giant steps closer to Baruch Goldstein in their attitudes.
On the other hand, Dayan’s career was damaged by the Arabs achieving surprise in the early stages of the 1973 war. That’s the trouble with hubris…

I was listening to an interview with some local guy who had just turned a feisty 102, so the reporterette asked the standard “What’s your secret?” “Always have some small grudge you can nurse,” was his surprising reply.

We had a psychologist come give us a talk on suicide back in high school. Among the reasons he gave us to not kill ourselves: ‘A lot of the people you know won’t care, and some will even laugh. After a few weeks most people will forget.’

Seriously. I’m not sure that’s the best way to convince a high schooler not to kill themselves (he did elaborate to make it sound softer than my snippet suggests), and our health teacher definitely was not happy with that particular line, but the older I get the more I realize how right he was. Having a few people to hate can serve as a real motivation in life – including the motivation not to take your own life.

“Longevity of Jews”

Jews are not very long-lived at all. In fact, like the Amish and, to a lesser degree, the Mormons, they tend to have a lot of genetic diseases caused by inbreeding, like Tay-Sachs, Duchenne Muscuilar Dystrophia and multiple BRCA1 mutations as well.

The topic of longievity and populations has been studied extensively. We know that the most long-lived populations are, in decreasing order:

1. Okinawans

2. Cretans.

3. Sardinians

4. Pure bred Ameriandians from sout and central Americas.

5. Latinos

6. Basques.

7. Adventists.

Believe it or not, they couldn’t find any genetic variants associated with the exceptional longevity of these groups that created some conmmon genetic thread. The omly thing that all of these groups have in common is tha they have carbohydrate-rich,protein-poor diets. This makes sense as suppression of the MTORC-1 apthway, which is stimulated most strongly by protein intake, has the strongest effect at prolonging lifespan

The Paleo and Keto people might find this disappointing, but while their diets might cause short-term improvement of health by stabilizing blood glucose levels, they shorten lifespan by fostering arteriosclerosis as all that fat orxidizes in the arteries, as well as promotes cancer since keto diets, by necessity, are rich in protein.

The only 2 genes that have *consisttenly* been associated with longevity across all ethnic groups across multiple meta-analysis are APOE(Apolipoprotein E) and FOXO3(Forkhead Boxo 3)

That’s the Hennigan’s episode.

Agree about the decline of widespread tobacco use. I think there is a direct correlation, not just among Jewish Americans, but all American ethnic groups over the last 50 years of increasing longevity. My mom kicked the habit in her early forties and is still going strong in her early eighties. Of course, some groups traded the addictive properties of nicotine for addiction to opioids and other drugs, which have decreased average lifespans slightly overall.

This is likely true in some form – the countries most associated with binge drinking in Europe tend to have higher % of hunter gatherer ancestry, whereas the populations with the highest % farming ancestry (EEF) tend to be less prone (Southern Europe generally)

Interestingly, about 20% of Jews carry the ADH2*2 gene, which is also known as the “asian flush gene”. This is otherwise very uncommon in whites.

If you go to a few AA meetings you’ll hear Jewish speakers chuckling over the myth that Jews can’t have problems with alcohol. Same for us Italianates. It’s always struck me that the original cultures are remarkably similar, Mediterranean people who enjoy vino and good food, illicit passions and guilt, dominated by moms who worship their eldest sons while instilling neuroses in them. To top it off, each gets in a snit with the other because they happen to have different names for their tribal deities, as if one was real and the other wasn’t!

About 1100 Jews died in the October 7 attack. To get the equivalent
number of Americans, you’d have to multiply the figure by 40-45. This results
in roughly 50,000 Americans dead. This is already very close to the 58,000
Americans killed during the 9 years of America’s greatest involvement in the Vietnam
war (1964-73). The war in Israel will last for months, and most likely on some
level for several years. There are 350 million Arabs in the Middle East and N. Africa
plus 50 million in the Arab diaspora. Even if one million die, that ‘s nothing in
percentage terms, but the Jews are again being butchered.

A much better choice in life is to be born Irish. They sat out WW II although 35,000
did die during WW I. When was the last time the Irish cities were razed to the ground
and their population butchered by the million? Never (The 19th century famine doesn’t
qualify).

OT- if NYT was, reluctantly, forced to admit it, then it’s almost certainly true …

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-harrowing-detail-nyt-shows-weaponization-of-rape-sexual-violence-during-oct-7/

In harrowing detail, NYT reports on weaponization of rape, sexual violence on Oct. 7

Can someone find a clip of the Benny Hill skit referencing Dayan?