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The Descent of Man
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As Philadelphia writer R. Eric Thomas is fond of saying, "masculinity is a prison." By now it should come as no surprise to anyone that rigid gender roles limit everyone, and while women have made some advances in areas previously seen as "male," men generally seem more reluctant to embrace their so-called feminine side, despite the obvious drawbacks to having to be seen as hypermasculine all the time. It's not clear how much farther the project of gender equality can go without men being fully on board, though, which makes books like The Descent of Man especially valuable.
This book definitely makes some fascinating points, particularly in its first half. Chief among these points is the idea that men's traditional advantage—brute strength—has become less of an advantage in a world that's become more and more geared toward emotional intelligence. "The brain, the very organ that has given the human race its success, may have long ago set in train a process—modernity and democracy—that may be incompatible with traditional masculinity," Grayson Perry notes. Men's traditional conditioning to feel superior is at odds with the notion of a world where everyone is truly equal, which explains why some men "feel feminism is an attack on their core identity rather than a call for equality."
Perry then goes on to discuss the idea of gender performance and how being forced to limit themselves to the most narrow idea of masculinity can have a disastrous effect on the lives of men and boys, leading to widespread unhappiness and discontent, not to mention violence among men and between men and women. The "men's rights" movement and generally appalling internet behavior of a certain segment of the male population are touched upon. For me, this second half of the book contained fewer new insights than the first half did, but the fact that these points have been made before doesn't make them any less important. In fact, repetition of these ideas may be one of the only things that will eventually make them stick, so their inclusion here is a no-brainer, both as a logical aspect of the book's argument and as a vital element of the larger ongoing project of equality the author seeks to foster.
I was less enthused by Perry's conviction that the only way to get men on board with feminism is to show them how it will help them (i.e., men). Shouldn't decent people recognize that equality is important regardless of what side of the divide they're currently standing on? And, practically speaking, will men genuinely learn to embrace feminist ideas if they're allowed to believe it's still all about them? The whole notion is depressing to me, but it's admittedly still worth thinking about.
Grayson Perry is apparently well-known in the UK but, as far as I am aware, not at all known in the U.S., so it's something of a mystery why this book was released here. I wish a different, less "who's this guy?" cover design had been used for U.S. audiences who won't recognize the author photo. Still, there's no doubt that the messages in this book deserve to be heard, and if Americans don't embrace this particular book, perhaps it'll open the door for others that have a better shot at getting noticed here.
I won this book in a giveaway here on Goodreads. Thank you to the publisher.
This book definitely makes some fascinating points, particularly in its first half. Chief among these points is the idea that men's traditional advantage—brute strength—has become less of an advantage in a world that's become more and more geared toward emotional intelligence. "The brain, the very organ that has given the human race its success, may have long ago set in train a process—modernity and democracy—that may be incompatible with traditional masculinity," Grayson Perry notes. Men's traditional conditioning to feel superior is at odds with the notion of a world where everyone is truly equal, which explains why some men "feel feminism is an attack on their core identity rather than a call for equality."
Perry then goes on to discuss the idea of gender performance and how being forced to limit themselves to the most narrow idea of masculinity can have a disastrous effect on the lives of men and boys, leading to widespread unhappiness and discontent, not to mention violence among men and between men and women. The "men's rights" movement and generally appalling internet behavior of a certain segment of the male population are touched upon. For me, this second half of the book contained fewer new insights than the first half did, but the fact that these points have been made before doesn't make them any less important. In fact, repetition of these ideas may be one of the only things that will eventually make them stick, so their inclusion here is a no-brainer, both as a logical aspect of the book's argument and as a vital element of the larger ongoing project of equality the author seeks to foster.
I was less enthused by Perry's conviction that the only way to get men on board with feminism is to show them how it will help them (i.e., men). Shouldn't decent people recognize that equality is important regardless of what side of the divide they're currently standing on? And, practically speaking, will men genuinely learn to embrace feminist ideas if they're allowed to believe it's still all about them? The whole notion is depressing to me, but it's admittedly still worth thinking about.
Grayson Perry is apparently well-known in the UK but, as far as I am aware, not at all known in the U.S., so it's something of a mystery why this book was released here. I wish a different, less "who's this guy?" cover design had been used for U.S. audiences who won't recognize the author photo. Still, there's no doubt that the messages in this book deserve to be heard, and if Americans don't embrace this particular book, perhaps it'll open the door for others that have a better shot at getting noticed here.
I won this book in a giveaway here on Goodreads. Thank you to the publisher.
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""The cost of male crime to the UK Exchequer runs into tens of billions of pounds every year. What if female taxpayers decided they were fed up paying for this?" That's an interesting question."
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'I was less enthused by Perry's conviction that the only way to get men on board with feminism is to show them how it will help them (i.e., men). Shouldn't decent people recognize that equality is important regardless of what side of the divide they're currently standing on?'
Well, a) most people aren't decent people. And b), that's human nature. "What do I get out of it?" is a question pretty much everyone asks about pretty much everything, I think.
I don't agree. I think there are plenty of people engaged in social justice movements whose main motivation isn't what they personally get out of it. Time to hold (white, straight) men to the same standard as everyone else.
I don't agree. I think there are plenty of peop..."
I'm a terrible cynic! I'd like to think that you're right and I'm wrong: it would be a much nicer world.
Maybe Perry's just a pragmatist who figures, better good results for the wrong reasons than no results at all.
Thanks, Caroline. Hope you enjoy it. This is a topic that really needs to be brought out into the light!
I actually had no idea he had so many other books--the back of my copy of The Descent of Man refers to him as a "TV presenter." I'll have to see if I can find some of his other work.
"I was less enthused by Perry's conviction that the only way to get men on board with feminism is to show them how it will help them (i.e., men). Shouldn't decent people recognize that equality is important regardless of what side of the divide they're currently standing on? And, practically speaking, will men genuinely learn to embrace feminist ideas if they're allowed to believe it's still all about them? The whole notion is depressing to me, but it's admittedly still worth thinking about."
... I am really glad I am not the only one who found this problematic. I get where Perry is coming from, but how depressing is it to think that this might be the only solution? Great review as always Julie!
Now that I have a little distance from the book... this idea is even more depressing. :) Thanks, Sarah. Looking forward to your review!
I agree that what ultimately matters is how you behave, and certainly being practical has its benefits, I wouldn't say otherwise. Antidiscrimination laws, for instance, don't eradicate racism or sexism from the population, but they certainly do some good anyway. But I think the question then becomes, if you behave in a certain way only because behaving otherwise is socially unacceptable or even illegal, but you're not actually convinced that, say, women are full-fledged people in exactly the same way men are, is this going to be effective in the long run. For some people, yes. But here in the U.S. we've certainly seen a lot of closet sexists and racists showing themselves because our current commander in chief has made it OK again. As someone who could actually be affected by someone who's now decided that, say, harassment or rape or workplace discrimination etc. are back on the table, it's more than just philosophical for me. I would like to be seen as a full-fledged human being by just about everyone. If practical measures alone can get us there, okay. I just doubt that practical measures alone can always get us there.
Sure, I agree with this. I don't want to belabor this too much further because I don't think you and I actually disagree as much as it might seem. In terms of the original point, of convincing men to adopt feminist attitudes because it will benefit themselves, this does provide for some kind of progress. I just worry that making progress solely on these kinds of terms is nothing more than laying a thin veneer over a problem and hoping it will hold.
Now here I go continuing on this topic when I just said I didn't want to belabor it, but I've been thinking about it. If you'd asked me just a couple years ago, I would've said that making virulent prejudice socially unacceptable would result in a more equitable society. So if it's understood that racism is socially unacceptable (basically, not done in polite company), racists understand they have to keep their racism to themselves, and this eventually results in their actually being less racist. I don't really feel that way anymore. Or maybe I feel like it makes some people less racist but not all, or that it might eventually make everyone less racist but it's going to take much, much longer than I thought. The same, I guess, with sexism and homophobia. But of course I don't necessarily have any better ideas either. So, like I said... depressing. :)
I think I meant to take a look at his art after reading this book and then forgot about it. Thanks for the reminder! :)
Here's the thing, though – you may not convert all the die-hard sexists that way, but that's not the only target. There's also a whole load of other people, about whom you wouldn't necessarily say "They don't think of women as people", but who nevertheless do a lot of the things that come under the umbrella of "benign sexism", or contribute to lazy stereotype stuff purely from thoughtlessness, or from having soaked up negative social norms without examining them. They don't hate women, if you stopped them in the street they would surely agree that women are people and deserve rights, and yet they have no idea of the trickle-down effects of how they behave.
I think by appealing to *these* people's self-interest you can easily change behaviours and, in doing so, make people think about why they behave the way they do. Anything that makes people change their behaviour, however cynical, also makes them think about their behaviour, which can only be good. I agree that you're not easily going to have direct effects on the things you were talking about like rape and harassment, but I still think concentrating on achievable goals is better than giving into depression! But then, these issues are likely to affect you much more immediately than me and I do recognise that.
That's a good point. It's hard for me to have optimism these days but I'll try to keep stuff like this in mind. Thanks, Warwick.