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No.... Not for a player or tracking card. For credit or checking cashing they'll run you through Central Credit. Your ID is to validate you don't already have a player's card.
I am referring to Marketing(not a function of the Casino Cashier's Cage). They use Central Credit to look at your finances and have the ability to do so without need of consumer authorization.
The pit does back players off the table due winning streaks also if they feel that they will not meet the days forecasted numbers. You don’t have to be an advantage player to be backed off a game.
They do not back off solely due to a winning streak. If they think it was due to variance (luck), you will be welcome to continue. If they think you are skilled and it was due to you having an edge, then you will be backed off or 86'd. Player's are not backed off due to a desire to meet some daily goal (there was a case involving a whale in which the casino wanted to lock in a profit for the approaching reporting period for that location, I think a monthly or quarterly report, so they transferred the player temporarily to a more upscale sister property, which is a stretch to call the event a back off, and would be a rare exception that wouldn't apply to us mere mortals anyway).
Making this statement is simply more display of your "gambler's fallacy" mentality in thinking that past results changes the odds of future outcomes, and casinos know better, at least at the management level making that decision. If the casino were to back off someone solely due to a winning streak, they could just as easily be doing so just before a turnaround that would have made them a lot of money. All streaks have to stop somewhere, right? How do you or the casino know it didn't just stop with the last hand? In short, it's not an absolute matter of wins or losses, it's a matter of determining if you are a competent advantage player or not.
The only non-advantage players backed off are people that are mistakenly thought to be an AP or people that are disorderly or provided some similar cause. I have seen non-APs backed off because they coincidentally happened to jump their bets in sync as a card counter would do, they happened to be at a table with some AP's and were incorrectly thought to be part of their team, or other mistaken identity circumstances. I've personally logged tens of thousands of hours in casinos, networked with numerous other APs, and I've yet to see or hear of any non-AP being backed off solely because he happened to have a lucky winning streak and the casino feared it would continue.
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Originally Posted by eventusstultorummagister
"The documents contained records of Social Security numbers, credit card numbers, betting limits and, among other things, betting habits"
You do not provide SS# & CC# to the player's club when you sign up for a player's card and there is no evidence that the info related to the story originated from people signing up for a player's card. I still don't think a casino routinely tries to collect data from Central Credit simply because you sign up for a player's card. I believe that comes when approval is needed for a financial instrument (cashing a check, getting cash on a credit card, applying for casino credit, etc), which many customers do. Also note that Central Credit's info about you is limited, similar to your info the credit bureaus have, until you authorize them additional access. People often unknowingly grant this additional access by signing a "check cashing agreement" or a "credit application" which authorizes your bank to release account balance info to them. Additionally, SS#'s are required when a taxable jackpot or payoff of any kind is hit so they can issue a W-2G or 1099 and some data may harvested at that time. There is no way to fairly say that you are exposing all your personal info and finances solely from signing up for a player's card.
Naturally casinos are going to track your betting habits over time as you play (avg play time, avg bet size, theoretical loss, actual win/loss, etc). That's the primary function of having player's cards, so they can determine your value as a customer to them, and treat you accordingly. If you seldom place a bet and for only small stakes when you do, they don't want to waste money giving you big incentives to come back. They might send you a 2 for 1 buffet offer or something similar. But if you are a heavy bettor on sucker games, they might send you something like $2000 in promo chips or freeplay.
I will say that one thing Harrah's does well is data mine. For example, if you call and make a reservation, they save the phone number you called from and attach it to the player's account of the reservation. And they collect that data from ANI, which generally cannot be blocked or spoofed like caller ID, though granted there are at least a couple of work arounds. If you want to check to see if you are exposed, use *67 or set your caller ID block in a menu selection and dial 1-800-444-4444. An automated voice will call out the number you are calling from and you can see if your number is not being transmitted and is truly hidden.
I am always amazed at the number of people that have no concern about privacy rights and protecting their personal data. Scary.
They do not back off solely due to a winning streak. If they think it was due to variance (luck), you will be welcome to continue. If they think you are skilled and it was due to you having an edge, then you will be backed off or 86'd. Player's are not backed off due to a desire to meet some daily goal (there was a case involving a whale in which the casino wanted to lock in a profit for the approaching reporting period for that location, I think a monthly or quarterly report, so they transferred the player temporarily to a more upscale sister property, which is a stretch to call the event a back off, and would be a rare exception that wouldn't apply to us mere mortals anyway).
Making this statement is simply more display of your "gambler's fallacy" mentality in thinking that past results changes the odds of future outcomes, and casinos know better, at least at the management level making that decision. If the casino were to back off someone solely due to a winning streak, they could just as easily be doing so just before a turnaround that would have made them a lot of money. All streaks have to stop somewhere, right? How do you or the casino know it didn't just stop with the last hand? In short, it's not an absolute matter of wins or losses, it's a matter of determining if you are a competent advantage player or not.
The only non-advantage players backed off are people that are mistakenly thought to be an AP or people that are disorderly or provided some similar cause. I have seen non-APs backed off because they coincidentally happened to jump their bets in sync as a card counter would do, they happened to be at a table with some AP's and were incorrectly thought to be part of their team, or other mistaken identity circumstances. I've personally logged tens of thousands of hours in casinos, networked with numerous other APs, and I've yet to see or hear of any non-AP being backed off solely because he happened to have a lucky winning streak and the casino feared it would continue.
You do not provide SS# & CC# to the player's club when you sign up for a player's card and there is no evidence that the info related to the story originated from people signing up for a player's card. I still don't think a casino routinely tries to collect data from Central Credit simply because you sign up for a player's card. I believe that comes when approval is needed for a financial instrument (cashing a check, getting cash on a credit card, applying for casino credit, etc), which many customers do. Also note that Central Credit's info about you is limited, similar to your info the credit bureaus have, until you authorize them additional access. People often unknowingly grant this additional access by signing a "check cashing agreement" or a "credit application" which authorizes your bank to release account balance info to them. Additionally, SS#'s are required when a taxable jackpot or payoff of any kind is hit so they can issue a W-2G or 1099 and some data may harvested at that time. There is no way to fairly say that you are exposing all your personal info and finances solely from signing up for a player's card.
Naturally casinos are going to track your betting habits over time as you play (avg play time, avg bet size, theoretical loss, actual win/loss, etc). That's the primary function of having player's cards, so they can determine your value as a customer to them, and treat you accordingly. If you seldom place a bet and for only small stakes when you do, they don't want to waste money giving you big incentives to come back. They might send you a 2 for 1 buffet offer or something similar. But if you are a heavy bettor on sucker games, they might send you something like $2000 in promo chips or freeplay.
I will say that one thing Harrah's does well is data mine. For example, if you call and make a reservation, they save the phone number you called from and attach it to the player's account of the reservation. And they collect that data from ANI, which generally cannot be blocked or spoofed like caller ID, though granted there are at least a couple of work arounds. If you want to check to see if you are exposed, use *67 or set your caller ID block in a menu selection and dial 1-800-444-4444. An automated voice will call out the number you are calling from and you can see if your number is not being transmitted and is truly hidden.
I am always amazed at the number of people that have no concern about privacy rights and protecting their personal data. Scary.
Then I suggest that you log some more hours in with casino management and learn the terms sweating the drop or wrecking the road map. I know of one CSM in a ***** resort that believes in unlucky pennies and places them under the tables where the racks are dumping that day. I have personally seen management move a table out back and set it on fire for a 9 month losing streak. This is the mentality you are dealing with. Now are you going to say you only get backed off a game by mistaken identity for AP or disorderly behavior?
When you sign up they are able to access your net worth and if you have deep pockets they will attempt to lure/entice the unwary into the degenerate/chase mode.
They want it all. Your house/car/dog/cat/parakeet...
THEY CANNOT HAVE THE PARAKEET!!! Maybe the goldfish though...
I am referring to Marketing(not a function of the Casino Cashier's Cage). They use Central Credit to look at your finances and have the ability to do so without need of consumer authorization.
I was shown mine on the downlow. I was amazed!
You don't have to get it on the down low through the casino. Central Credit is a Consumer Reporting Agency subject to the Fair Credit Reporting Act, just like Experian, Equifax, and Trans Union. You are entitled to an annual free copy of your report directly from them. I think you'll find it will be near identical to the reports of the big 3 and have available credit lines, loans, outstanding balances, and payment history notations. It will not have checking, savings, money market, or any other other type equity account balances or history unless you authorized that info to be released to them or the casino. Mine doesn't (I checked both by requesting my report from Central Credit and through casino hosts). If additional info is there, you authorized release of that info to them and either were not aware (read fine print before signing anything!) or have forgotten. Having credit info is a long way from having knowledge of a person's net worth and major assets.
Banks have an obligation to protect your personal info and keep it private. I believe the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act has some privacy provisions though that wasn't the primary subject of the act. Also check the privacy statement of your bank that they are required by law to provide to you on an annual basis. Also research the Fair Credit Reporting Act if interested.
Also note Central Credit was sued by the FTC a little over a year ago. Central Credit paid a $150k fine and agreed to clean up their operating deficiencies (one of which was to make the free annual report more easily available to consumers as mentioned above). Links to the complaint, judgment, and a FTC press release which provides a brief summary in layman's terms can be found at:
Then I suggest that you log some more hours in with casino management and learn the terms sweating the drop or wrecking the road map. I know of one CSM in a ***** resort that believes in unlucky pennies and places them under the tables where the racks are dumping that day. I have personally seen management move a table out back and set it on fire for a 9 month losing streak. This is the mentality you are dealing with. Now are you going to say you only get backed off a game by mistaken identity for AP or disorderly behavior?
EXACTLY! If it were only a matter of antecedent causal factors then why would Casino's resort to things like "coolers".
The task is to reconcile free will(nothing is determined) and indeterminism(physical outcome based on mathematical probability). One is incompatible with the other.
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