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Old 06-09-2011, 07:21 PM
 
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When we moved here, my girlfriend started a locally-based business selling hand-made pet toys. She started with ferret toys & evolved to cat & dog toys, selling both at local fairs & through a couple online sites. She's not getting rich, but she enjoys making the toys & it provides a supplemental income. Some people just buy the toys for their kids (stuffed animals/etc).

Now she's been contacted by a (video) game producer claiming she's in violation of their copyright & IP because of similarities they claim in appearance between one of her toys the characters in their game. They found it in one of her online stores & want her to stop selling said item.

Here's the rub: She was selling this (and can prove as much) BEFORE the game was ever released. She created it. Being stuck on principles like I am, I suggested she not let them bully her & turn the tables on them - given that they opened the door by starting this. She plans to respond, but I told her not to be in any rush so she can think this through. As long as she can establish she had her product in the marketplace before this game was released, I'd think she has grounds to ask them for royalty payments or licensing fees. I've seen too many companies try to legally bully others & try to claim copyright or intellectual property just because they're selling something, when in reality they've borrowed from someone else.

Here's my request: Does anyone have someone to recommend (maybe a copyright attorney or similar) with whom she could speak? (DM me if you do.) I'm not asking for legal advice & wouldn't expect any, but would welcome common sense layman's advice. Any direction on the best way to proceed would be welcome as well.

When all is said & done she could just stop selling the item online, but I feel that would be giving in since she's done nothing wrong. Worst case, that's probably what she'll do, but I think this is worth pursuing. Thoughts?
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas via Minnesota
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I know a couple a couple attorneys that have worked in copyright and IP law. They are not in Nevada though. If you'd like I can give the info that you just gave me to them and see what they say.
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Old 06-09-2011, 09:27 PM
 
Location: The Brightest City On Earth
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I am not giving you legal advice but anybody can write a nasty letter and try to scare you. Especially a lawyer. But the fact is that she does not have anything near the kind of money they would actually sue over. I would not worry about it myself.
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Old 06-09-2011, 09:28 PM
 
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She may have had the toy in the marketplace before they released the game, but video games don't happen overnight. It is very likely the characters and concepts were created years before the game was completed.
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Old 06-09-2011, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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did your wife register the IP with the USPTO?
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Old 06-09-2011, 10:16 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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did your wife register the IP with the USPTO?
Not required. Deals with avaiable recovery not with the CR.

Presuming this is a copyright and not a trademark discussion.

Creation makes the CR...not the formalities. Though the formalities help with the legal battle.

The rub is that there is virtually no one in town who will competently pursue such a matter...and the one guy I know who is good overcharges and is not terribly ethical.

If she can show independent creation it makes no difference if they had a similar thing first. It is the independent creation that creates a CR. Not that the idea is unique. In fact it is generally impossible to win a CR if you can't prove the infringer had access to the original.

Be a fun do it yourself. You can sue for CR infringment. An interesting pro se procedure. First thing she should do regardless is CR formally all her creations. Cheap and easy and may be useful as this unfolds.

She can, by the way, defend herself relatively easily given the fact situation is correct. Just got to learn more about CR procedurs and court procedures than one would care to.
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Old 06-10-2011, 02:48 AM
 
Location: In the Silver State of Nevada in Las Vegas NV
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I am no lawyer but what damage has been done. Has the vidio company suffered financial loss??? Second I agree any lawyer can write a nasty letter. Write one back saying you have suffered financial loss because of them and turn the tables. When you get sued they must prove the wrong not you. Sorry to hear you have been sucked in to the corporate world and the back bitting way they do business and waste their money. This is Greed at it's best. Good luck keep us posted how this turns out
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Old 06-10-2011, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Upstate NY!
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File the letter...and just go on like nothing happened. The letter carries no weight at this point.
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Old 06-11-2011, 08:46 PM
 
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Thanks for the replies & advice so far. A couple more pieces of info & questions:

1) Does it matter if she hasn't organized her business as an LLC? I'm thinking mostly of protection of personal assets in case they try to bully her legally. There's not a lot of money involved with her business, but I'd hate for them to come after her personal assets.

2) Would it be reasonable to expect an initial consultation with a lawyer without a fee? Is it common for lawyers to take this type of case on a contingency basis? (I guess that would be determined based on initial discussions, but there may be $$ involved if it escalates & the company has deep pockets.) Some cases mean a good chunk of money for lawyers when they're taking 1/3 of a settlement - not sure if there could be a lot of $$ in this case. When all is said & done, if it's going to cost a good amount of money out of pocket we'll likely pursue it ourselves.

It looks like what led to this is the company's trying to launch their own line of stuffed animal toys. My guess is they're trying to assert copyright & so forth so they can justify launching these products as their own. My girlfriend would likely be a threat as she's already been doing this & the company sees similarity between her product(s) & what they're trying to launch.
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Old 06-13-2011, 06:59 AM
 
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It is my understanding that you can get a consult for free with many lawyers...Especially if they think it may turn into profit for them..(yes, that 1/3 they may collect.) Call around - ask questions. There are legal clinics in LV. I agree tho, that this company giving you all this grief most likely sent ths letter as a scare tactic...write them back. Not legal advise, but if this is not profitable enough for the other company - their legal fees would be too high to pursue.
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