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== metric or customary units? ==
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::My question is an indirect way of pointing out that this article is missing essential info, whether the tank is made with bolts and other parts in metric units or not. This then provides the essential information whether or not it makes sense for other countries to buy or temporarily use this tank or not. --[[User:Espoo|Espoo]] ([[User talk:Espoo|talk]]) 00:10, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
:::If other countries are using Wikipedia as a guide to whether or not to purchase or use a certain, then the tank is probably a bad fit for those countries. They should stick with bows and arrows. As to readers, it's just [[WP:Trivia]]. [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 00:21, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
::::You seem to be unaware of the importance and role of Wikipedia in keeping citizens informed and in being empowered to control and criticize political decisions, especially on issues that are decided mostly in secret. Even most journalists first go to WP to check for specifically things like this issue of metric or not or inefficient mix.--[[User:Espoo|Espoo]] ([[User talk:Espoo|talk]]) 09:58, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:Metric vs. imperial was a major point of contention during the [[MBT-70]] project. It rose to the level of SecDef and Defense Minister, who were still unable to resolve the question. I think it deserves a mention. We should probably have a production and maintenance section. I suspect the measurement issue is a major reason why the U.S. says the Abrams is not suited to Ukraine. [[User:Schierbecker|Schierbecker]] ([[User talk:Schierbecker|talk]]) 06:08, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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:The original M1, prior to the hull-mounted NBC system in use today, did have a small vent system in the left rear of the turret that could be attacked with small arms. That vulnerability went away in the 80s from active units, and across all M1s in use by the late 90s. [[User:Vasky22|Vasky22]] ([[User talk:Vasky22|talk]]) 17:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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The page highlights reference to an article by David Axe in Forbes that the tanks going to Ukraine are former USMC tanks, specifically equipped with the USMC Firepower Enhancement Package (FEP). I believe former USMC tanks had DU armor, and providing M1s with DU armor to a foreign country would be a significant deviatioin from former US policy. Even the Australians got M1s without DU armor. I've only found reference to this in the Forbes article, and have written David Axe for clarification on his source.▼
I do not know if the FEP could be added to older M1A1s in stock, without significant time and work. I do know that the tanks pictured in some articles as the "M1A1s bound for Ukraine" have US Army-model smoke grenade launchers, but these are readily swapped. The .50 cal mount does seem to look different from Army M1A1s, but I have seen US Army M1A1s equipped with what I believe were USMC variations on the M1A1 mount, complete with a camera for the tank commander. This was at NTC (11th ACR/OPFOR) in the last 5 years or so. [[User:Vasky22|Vasky22]] ([[User talk:Vasky22|talk]]) 18:02, 13 November 2023 (UTC)▼
::I've linked it to [[CBRN defense]]. ([[User:Hohum|<b style="color: Green;">Hohum</b>]] [[User talk:Hohum|<sup style="color: Red;">@</sup>]]) 00:09, 26 January 2023 (UTC)▼
:David Axe replied and linked a different Forbes article that specifically notes that the M1 tanks going to Ukraine will not have DU armor. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/01/27/the-tungsten-m-1-how-ukraines-tanks-will-differ-from-americas/?sh=5fbcf13726b3 I think this should be noted that apparently these USMC M1s didn't have armor the equivalent of the US Army tanks, and that the Ukrainians are getting tanks that are roughly the equivalent of M1A1s sold to Australia and Iraq and Morocco. [[User:Vasky22|Vasky22]] ([[User talk:Vasky22|talk]]) 17:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
:* The US supplying the older M1A1 tanks is covered in the Operators section in the Ukraine entry already. [[User:Fnlayson|-Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 19:03, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
:*:first M1s seen in ukraine as of 2 days ago [[Special:Contributions/91.247.180.57|91.247.180.57]] ([[User talk:91.247.180.57|talk]]) 00:42, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:*::War Update: first Abrams tank seen in the Ukraine was reported lost within two days [[Special:Contributions/2.27.2.54|2.27.2.54]] ([[User talk:2.27.2.54|talk]]) 21:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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The linked citations are either extremely outdated (1990) or does not have a price at all. [[User:Diator|Diator]] ([[User talk:Diator|talk]]) 00:41, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
== First Abrams destroyed by an enemy was in Ukraine ==
might want to add that it marks the first time an m1a1 Abrams was destroyed by an enemy [[User:Space772|Space772]] ([[User talk:Space772|talk]]) 18:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
: False. There some Abrams tanks destroyed in the Gulf War. [[User:Fnlayson|-Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 19:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
▲The page highlights reference to an article by David Axe in Forbes that the tanks going to Ukraine are former USMC tanks, specifically equipped with the USMC Firepower Enhancement Package (FEP). I believe former USMC tanks had DU armor, and providing M1s with DU armor to a foreign country would be a significant deviatioin from former US policy. Even the Australians got M1s without DU armor. I've only found reference to this in the Forbes article, and have written David Axe for clarification on his source.
:: During the Gulf war, I don't think any Abrams were destroyed by the enemy? (It was all friendly fire, breakdowns and subsequent destruction to avoid capture?)
▲I do not know if the FEP could be added to older M1A1s in stock, without significant time and work. I do know that the tanks pictured in some articles as the "M1A1s bound for Ukraine" have US Army-model smoke grenade launchers, but these are readily swapped. The .50 cal mount does seem to look different from Army M1A1s, but I have seen US Army M1A1s equipped with what I believe were USMC variations on the M1A1 mount, complete with a camera for the tank commander. This was at NTC (11th ACR/OPFOR) in the last 5 years or so. [[User:Vasky22|Vasky22]] ([[User talk:Vasky22|talk]]) 18:02, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
::However, In this article, with sources:
:: {{talkquote|Between 2010 and 2012 the U.S. supplied 140 refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks to Iraq. In mid-2014, they saw action when the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant launched the June 2014 Northern Iraq offensive. During three months, about one-third of the Iraqi Army's M1 tanks had been damaged or destroyed by ISIL}}
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::* Right, 9 destroyed but by friendly fire including two to prevent capture by enemy in Gulf War [only US service numbers]. [[User:Fnlayson|-Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 19:43, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
:"destroyed" is unlikely to be a correct phrase. "were lost" is more correct phrase I guess because the object is damaged and control over the object is lost - [[User:Halfcookie|Halfcookie]] ([[User talk:Halfcookie|talk]]) 15:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
"Claimed" to have been destroyed by friendly fire. [[User:Ianbrettcooper|Ianbrettcooper]] ([[User talk:Ianbrettcooper|talk]]) 01:17, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
::*:Many M1 Abrams were destroyed by enemy action in Iraqi service. Apparently also in Saudi Arabian service. [[User:Schierbecker|Schierbecker]] ([[User talk:Schierbecker|talk]]) 06:34, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
== Yet Another Abrams Tank Lost to Enemy Fire? ==
If it is officially confirmed that an M1 Abrams tank was knocked out in the Ukraine, might the article have a section to highlight such a lost? [[Special:Contributions/2.27.2.54|2.27.2.54]] ([[User talk:2.27.2.54|talk]]) 21:01, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
== Remove Der Spiegel source ==
Remove the Der Spiegel source because it cannot be verified. It is under the first sub heading history.
Remove it please. [[Special:Contributions/64.189.18.25|64.189.18.25]] ([[User talk:64.189.18.25|talk]]) 09:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
: The only use of a Der Spiegel source has a dead link but the archived web link works for me. So no reason to remove. [[User:Fnlayson|-Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 15:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
::The first occurrence should be removed. There's a failed verification tag next to the cited content. [[User:Schierbecker|Schierbecker]] ([[User talk:Schierbecker|talk]]) 16:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2024 ==
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Both history and design have content that is not cited and should be removed!or at least have sources for the content if it can be properly sourced. [[Special:Contributions/64.189.18.25|64.189.18.25]] ([[User talk:64.189.18.25|talk]]) 17:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
:[[File:Pictogram voting question.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Question:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Do you have sources you'd like to add? <code><nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>'''[[User:CanonNi]]'''<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki></code> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]]) 01:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
:I have specifically noticed a typo in the 3rd to last paragraph of the armour section of the abrams gives it 16201 mm of armour. [[User:Sidewinderwetrust|Sidewinderwetrust]] ([[User talk:Sidewinderwetrust|talk]]) 14:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2024 ==
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In history under previous development the first two paragraphs have sentences that require citations. [[Special:Contributions/64.189.18.32|64.189.18.32]] ([[User talk:64.189.18.32|talk]]) 18:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
:Are you saying you want a citation needed tag added or? [[User:Shadow311|Shadow311]] ([[User talk:Shadow311|talk]]) 18:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
:[[File:Pictogram voting wait.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Already done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> These sentences already have [[template:citation needed|citation needed]] templates. If you have citations that verify these statement please reopen your request with the references. [[User:Jamedeus|Jamedeus]] ([[User talk:Jamedeus|talk]]) 19:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
== M-1E3 Abrams Tank Modernization Program ==
Congressional Report on the M1-E3 modernization program.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12495/2#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20has%20sold,31%20M%2D1%20Abrams%20tanks. [[Special:Contributions/47.198.232.143|47.198.232.143]] ([[User talk:47.198.232.143|talk]]) 09:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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