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::::::::I am not so sure they meet [[WP:GNG]]. My understanding is that is the name of the group of artists, but the artists are eliminated or advance individually? If that is the case, I believe the individuals would need to meet [[WP:NMUSIC]]. But, just my opinion. --[[User:CNMall41|CNMall41]] ([[User talk:CNMall41|talk]]) 05:35, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::Hori7on is a 7-member boy group created through a [[Dream Maker (TV program)|survival show]]. From 62 contestants, only 7 advanced to be in the final group. Not everyone is notable individually, but the group itself is. Similar boy/girl groups created by survival programs are [[Wanna One]], [[I.O.I]], and [[X1 (group)]]. The name ''Hori7on'' have substantial and reliable articles from news sites as found [https://search.naver.com/search.naver?where=nexearch&sm=top_hty&fbm=1&ie=utf8&query=hori7on here (Korean search engine)] and [https://www.google.com/search?q=hori7on&sxsrf=AJOqlzUeyFrkL8Tf4efm0TZZRSneVinOlQ:1676607866839&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwivltKC25v9AhXhk4kEHWWPCmkQ_AUoA3oECAEQBQ&biw=1122&bih=839&dpr=1.6 here (Google under 'News' section)] even before its June 2023 debut since it's a big deal: they're the first Filipino boy group debuting as a KPOP band in South Korea. They have unreleased songs ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBgpzC5xTKg ex. two songs]) written by notable producers in South Korea ([https://www.generasia.com/wiki/Bull$EyE Bull$EyE] and [https://www.discogs.com/artist/4024726-%EC%84%9C%EC%9B%90%EC%A7%84 Seo Won Jin]) and they're already using the songs during promotions ahead of their debut. Articles vary from primary to independent reliable sources with significant coverage that's why I believe it meets [[WP:GNG]]. Thank you! [[User:001Jrm|001Jrm]] ([[User talk:001Jrm|talk]]) 04:50, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::Again, my opinion is that they don't really meet [[WP:GNG]]. As far as [[WP:NBAND]], they don't qualify either (unreleased music, using for promo, etc.). --[[User:CNMall41|CNMall41]] ([[User talk:CNMall41|talk]]) 05:15, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::The group had just debuted, likely this is a case of [[WP:TOOSOON]] to create an article for this. If they released a song, lets see about that on [[WP:NMUSIC]]. [[User:SeanJ 2007|SeanJ 2007]] ([[User talk:SeanJ 2007|talk]]) 07:00, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::I think they meet [[WP:GNG]] (''''Presumed'''': [https://entertainment.inquirer.net/485819/dream-maker-finale-get-to-know-the-7-finalists-who-will-debut-as-members-of-hori7on random sample of a reliable source w/ significant coverage]; '''Significant coverage''': [https://news.abs-cbn.com/entertainment/02/14/23/hori7on-targeting-june-debut-in-south-korea-mld-head this addresses the topic directly and in detail]; '''Reliable''': [[Korea JoongAng Daily]] and [[Philippine Daily Inquirer|Inquirer]], to name a few; '''Sources''' and '''Independent of the subject''': I believe multiple sources that are outside the topic [https://search.naver.com/search.naver?where=nexearch&sm=top_hty&fbm=1&ie=utf8&query=hori7on] [https://www.google.com/search?q=hori7on&sxsrf=AJOqlzUeyFrkL8Tf4efm0TZZRSneVinOlQ:1676607866839&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwivltKC25v9AhXhk4kEHWWPCmkQ_AUoA3oECAEQBQ&biw=1122&bih=839&dpr=1.6] and affiliated with it like MLD Entertainment & ABS-CBN show that there are reliable secondary sources). As for [[WP:BAND]], it says that it may be notable "...if they meet at least one of the following criteria." and I believe #10 and #12 were already met. I agree that it may be [[WP:TOOSOON]], but from past experiences, there are multiple pages that have already been created similar to this page, even before their debut ([[X1 (group)|X1]]: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=X1_(group)&diff=prev&oldid=907149624 page created July 2019], debuted August 2019; [[Wanna One]]: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wanna_One&diff=prev&oldid=786100278 page created June 2017], debuted August 2017; [[I.O.I]]: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I.O.I&diff=prev&oldid=713185645 page created April 2016], debuted May 2016). Hori7on page was created more or less similar to the 3 pages, and I used the 3 as examples because they have similar circumstances. However, if you insist that the stuff I presented were not enough, I will respect your decision. After all, what I didn't like was someone just took my content, pasted it on his/her draft and took it as hers/his without even contacting me. Thank you for your time! I appreciate it. [[User:001Jrm|001Jrm]] ([[User talk:001Jrm|talk]]) 04:22, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: Its not me you need to convince. You asked my opinion which I gave. This is based off reviewing thousands of drafts at AfC. I do not base opinions based solely on guidelines. I based them what my experience tells me Wikipedia editors will do (delete or not delete) based on those guidelines. --[[User:CNMall41|CNMall41]] ([[User talk:CNMall41|talk]]) 07:41, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
== Requested move 28 June 2023 ==
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The result of the move request was: '''page moved'''. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 11:19, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
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[[:Horizon (Filipino band)]] → {{no redirect|Hori7on}} – [[MOS:TM]], which was cited to make the move, advises to use a formatting of the title that is in use by most independent reliable sources, and then choose one that most closely resembles standard English. In the process of finding sources for this article, and after quick Google search, most, if not all, sources, refer to the subject as Hori7on, which arguably resembles standard English, with "7" bearing some semblance to Z. The group is never referred to as Horizon in most, if not all, sources, as the stylistic is always used. As the guideline advises to not invent new styles [that are not in use by sources], it would be best to revert back to the previous title, as is the case with [[Kep1er]]. [[User:EdrianJustine|EdrianJustine]] ([[User talk:EdrianJustine|talk]]) 15:53, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:In addition, when referring to the band (subject of article), the stylistic, which is supported by most, if not all, sources, makes the title more recognizable and concise. [[User:EdrianJustine|EdrianJustine]] ([[User talk:EdrianJustine|talk]]) 18:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom, the name "Hori7on" is used by most sources not "Horizon". [[User:ThisIsSeanJ|ThisIsSeanJ]] ([[User talk:ThisIsSeanJ|talk]]) 00:49, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom, given the [[Kep1er]] case, then we should <s>retain </s> move it. [[User: Im Zayk|Juan Camilo Lugo]] ([[User talk: Im Zayk|malungkot si accla, kausapin niyo naman]]) 07:52, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' since this band was {{tq|formed by MLD Entertainment and ABS-CBN}}, ABS-CBN (who make up something like half of the English-language sources cited in the article) is not an independent reliable source here for purposes of [[MOS:TM]]. However other sources like [[Manila Bulletin]], [[The Philippine Inquirer]], and [[JoongAng Ilbo]] also adopted the spelling "Hori7on". [[Special:Contributions/59.149.117.119|59.149.117.119]] ([[User talk:59.149.117.119|talk]]) 04:57, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
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== Notability ==
Hasn't the group demonstrated [[WP:BAND]] #1 through the multitude of articles, newspaper, magazine, etc., covering the band? or to an extent, #6, #10, and #12? [[User:EdrianJustine|EdrianJustine]] ([[User talk:EdrianJustine|talk]]) 17:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:I'll go [[WP:JUSTDOIT]] and remove the template. A cursory Google search of the band's name reveals pages after pages of reliable third-party secondary sources from both the Philippines and Korea, way more coverage than some indie bands already on Wikipedia would receive in their entire careers. Even if you discount articles from ABS-CBN as non-secondary, you'll still have dozens of independently-written articles establishing notability. I don't follow P-pop or K-pop, but from my perspective there really shouldn't be any doubts about their notability. <span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 7px;background:#000000">[[User:PritongKandule|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:#FFF">'''''PritongKandule'''''</span>]]-[[User talk:PritongKandule|✉️]][[Special:Contributions/PritongKandule|📝]]</span> 06:13, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
::Good call. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 11:15, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
== "First" ==
@[[User:EdrianJustine|EdrianJustine]] Found this article via [[Wikipedia:Peer review]] and I have some feedback on this line:
"Hori7on is the first Filipino musical group to debut in South Korea..."
None of the sources provided show that they were the "first." Can you provide any sources that clearly state this? Happy editing! [[User:Uri24|Uri24]] ([[User talk:Uri24|talk]]) 18:56, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
:I've reworded the text to better better conform to the sources; if this doesn't fix the issue please let us know. Thank you for the feedback. [[User:EdrianJustine|EdrianJustine]] ([[User talk:EdrianJustine|talk]]) 19:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
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