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"'''What Made the Red Man Red?'''" is a song from the 1953 [[Walt Disney Animation Studios|Disney]] animated film ''[[Peter Pan (1953 film)|Peter Pan]]'' with music by [[Sammy Fain]] and lyrics by [[Sammy Cahn]], in which "the natives tell their story through stereotypical dance while singing".<ref>{{cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=yAjjxpvxVDAC&q=%22What+Made+the+Red+Man+Red%3F%22&pg=PA9|title=Diversity in Disney Films|isbn=9781476600093|last1=Cheu|first1=Johnson|date=2013-01-04}}</ref> Some modern audiences consider it racist and offensive<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.imwithgeek.com/film/straight-on-till-morning-peter-pan|title=Straight On Till Morning: Peter Pan|work=Im With Geek|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-29|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150629235017/http://www.imwithgeek.com/film/straight-on-till-morning-peter-pan|url-status=live}}</ref> due to its exaggerated stereotypes.<ref name="wadesampson">{{cite web|url=http://www.mouseplanet.com/9059/Injun_Trouble_The_Neverland_Tribe|title=Injun Trouble: The Neverland Tribe|author=Wade Sampson|date=25 November 2009|work=mouseplanet.com}}</ref> Although a similar depiction was displayed within [[J. M. Barrie]]'s original play, later adaptations have reimagined the Natives, while the Disney version—and this song in particular—were said to have "doubled-down on racial stereotypes".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/racist-history-peter-pan-indian-tribe-180953500/?no-ist|title=The Racist History of Peter Pan's Indian Tribe|author=Sarah Laskow|work=Smithsonian|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630083153/http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/racist-history-peter-pan-indian-tribe-180953500/?no-ist|url-status=live}}</ref>
It has been compared to the song "[[Savages (Pocahontas song)|Savages]]" from the 1995 Disney film ''[[Pocahontas (1995 film)|Pocahontas]]'', which contains negative lyrics regarding [[Native Americans in the United States|Native Americans]]; in contrast with "What Made the Red Man Red?", however, the offensive lyrics in "Savages" were written purposely, as they are sung by the villains of the movie, in order to illustrate the message that racism is wrong.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://mistreatmentofnativeamericans.blogspot.com/|title=Mistreatment of Native Americans|work=mistreatmentofnativeamericans.blogspot.com|access-date=27 June 2015|archive-date=31 January 2016|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160131231403/http://mistreatmentofnativeamericans.blogspot.com/|url-status=live}}</ref>{{Better source needed|reason=This source is a blog, which fails [[WP:RS|Wikipedia's guidelines on reliable sources]]|date=November 2017}}
==Production==
[[Candy Candido|Jonathan "Candy" Candido]], who played the role of the Chief in ''Peter Pan'', said the following in an interview with MousePlanet:
{{blockquote|When I recorded [the song], I sang it with 10 bass singers from around Los Angeles. And if you hear the song, you'll notice my bass voice is almost twice as low as theirs ... You know, when you see the Indian chief, he's fat. I'm not fat. And he's real tall, and I'm kind of short. But you notice he looks like me. Also, he has the same dark eyebrows, and he plays with his hands like I do when I perform ... Ward Kimball's animation of the chief is full of the little visual gags that he always threw into his work, oftentimes just to keep himself amused. I especially love seeing how wildly exaggerated the chief's mouth shapes become, yet always manage to work well within the frame of his face.|Jonathan "Candy" Candido, interview with MousePlanet<ref name="wadesampson"/>}}
==Context==
Peter Pan and Wendy come across the Indians (who refer to themselves as "Injuns") once arriving in [[Neverland]]. Wishing to learn more about them, the [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boys]] ask the Indians three questions: "What made the red man red?", "When did he first say 'Ugh'?" and "Why does he ask you 'How?'" (a corruption of the [[Lakota language|Lakota]] word "Hau", which translates to "Hello", etc.). This song is performed by "the big-nosed, guttural Chief character"<ref>{{cite web|url=http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2014/12/03/adios-ugg-wugg-native-composer-updates-song-peter-pan-live-158100|title=Adios, 'Ugg A Wugg': Native Composer Updates Song for NBC's 'Peter Pan Live!'|work=Indian Country Today Media Network.com|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-07-04|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150704072227/http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2014/12/03/adios-ugg-wugg-native-composer-updates-song-peter-pan-live-158100|url-status=live}}</ref> accompanied by his tribesmen, who answer the questions. The Indians pass the [[peace pipe]] to the children (which John smokes, but becomes nauseated after) as they tell their tale.
==Composition==
Writer Kim McLarin of NPR describes it as a "bouncy, drum-heavy song",<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10320400|title=Disney's Frog Princess|date=22 May 2007|work=NPR.org|access-date=4 April 2018|archive-date=22 January 2018|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180122181631/https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10320400|url-status=live}}</ref> while the Best of Disney calls it a "labored routine".<ref>{{cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=NwpJvqQTsY8C&q=%22What+Made+the+Red+Man+Red|title=The best of Disney|isbn=9780517653463|last1=Sinyard|first1=Neil|date=1988-09-28|access-date=2020-02-03|archive-date=2020-10-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171740/https://books.google.com/books?id=NwpJvqQTsY8C&q=%22What+Made+the+Red+Man+Red&dq=%22What+Made+the+Red+Man+Red&hl=en|url-status=live}}</ref>
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* [https://books.google.com.au/books?id=LtB3UbuLpdYC&pg=PA16&dq=%22What+Made+the+Red+Man+Red?%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oNaOVczYFo3Y8gWuvpIQ&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22What%20Made%20the%20Red%20Man%20Red%3F%22&f=false Books.google.com.au]
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New page wikitext, after the edit (new_wikitext) | '{{short description|Song from Disney's Peter Pan}}
"'''What Made the Red Man Red?'''" is a song from the 1953 [[Walt Disney Animation Studios|Disney]] animated film ''[[Peter Pan (1953 film)|Peter Pan]]'' with music by [[Sammy Fain]] and lyrics by [[Sammy Cahn]], in which "the natives tell their story through stereotypical dance while singing".<ref>{{cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=yAjjxpvxVDAC&q=%22What+Made+the+Red+Man+Red%3F%22&pg=PA9|title=Diversity in Disney Films|isbn=9781476600093|last1=Cheu|first1=Johnson|date=2013-01-04}}</ref> Some modern audiences consider it racist and offensive<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.imwithgeek.com/film/straight-on-till-morning-peter-pan|title=Straight On Till Morning: Peter Pan|work=Im With Geek|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-29|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150629235017/http://www.imwithgeek.com/film/straight-on-till-morning-peter-pan|url-status=live}}</ref> due to its exaggerated stereotypes.<ref name="wadesampson">{{cite web|url=http://www.mouseplanet.com/9059/Injun_Trouble_The_Neverland_Tribe|title=Injun Trouble: The Neverland Tribe|author=Wade Sampson|date=25 November 2009|work=mouseplanet.com}}</ref> Although a similar depiction was displayed within [[J. M. Barrie]]'s original play, later adaptations have reimagined the Natives, while the Disney version—and this song in particular—were said to have "doubled-down on racial stereotypes".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/racist-history-peter-pan-indian-tribe-180953500/?no-ist|title=The Racist History of Peter Pan's Indian Tribe|author=Sarah Laskow|work=Smithsonian|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630083153/http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/racist-history-peter-pan-indian-tribe-180953500/?no-ist|url-status=live}}</ref>
It has been compared to the song "[[Savages (Pocahontas song)|Savages]]" from the 1995 Disney film ''[[Pocahontas (1995 film)|Pocahontas]]'', which contains negative lyrics regarding [[Native Americans in the United States|Native Americans]]; in contrast with "What Made the Red Man Red?", however, the offensive lyrics in "Savages" were written purposely, as they are sung by the villains of the movie, in order to illustrate the message that racism is wrong.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://mistreatmentofnativeamericans.blogspot.com/|title=Mistreatment of Native Americans|work=mistreatmentofnativeamericans.blogspot.com|access-date=27 June 2015|archive-date=31 January 2016|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160131231403/http://mistreatmentofnativeamericans.blogspot.com/|url-status=live}}</ref>{{Better source needed|reason=This source is a blog, which fails [[WP:RS|Wikipedia's guidelines on reliable sources]]|date=November 2017}}
==Production==
[[Candy Candido|Jonathan "Candy" Candido]], who played the role of the Chief in ''Peter Pan'', said the following in an interview with MousePlanet:
{{blockquote|When I recorded [the song], I sang it with 10 bass singers from around Los Angeles. And if you hear the song, you'll notice my bass voice is almost twice as low as theirs ... You know, when you see the Indian chief, he's fat. I'm not fat. And he's real tall, and I'm kind of short. But you notice he looks like me. Also, he has the same dark eyebrows, and he plays with his hands like I do when I perform ... Ward Kimball's animation of the chief is full of the little visual gags that he always threw into his work, oftentimes just to keep himself amused. I especially love seeing how wildly exaggerated the chief's mouth shapes become, yet always manage to work well within the frame of his face.|Jonathan "Candy" Candido, interview with MousePlanet<ref name="wadesampson"/>}}
==Context==
Peter Pan and Wendy come across the Indians (who refer to themselves as "Injuns") once arriving in [[Neverland]]. Wishing to learn more about them, the [[Lost Boys (Peter Pan)|Lost Boys]] ask the Indians three questions: "What made the red man red?", "When did he first say 'Ugh'?" and "Why does he ask you 'How?'" (a corruption of the [[Lakota language|Lakota]] word "Hau", which translates to "Hello", etc.). This song is performed by "the big-nosed, guttural Chief character"<ref>{{cite web|url=http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2014/12/03/adios-ugg-wugg-native-composer-updates-song-peter-pan-live-158100|title=Adios, 'Ugg A Wugg': Native Composer Updates Song for NBC's 'Peter Pan Live!'|work=Indian Country Today Media Network.com|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-07-04|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150704072227/http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2014/12/03/adios-ugg-wugg-native-composer-updates-song-peter-pan-live-158100|url-status=live}}</ref> accompanied by his tribesmen, who answer the questions. The Indians pass the [[peace pipe]] to the children (which John smokes, but becomes nauseated after) as they tell their tale.
==Composition==
Writer Kim McLarin of NPR describes it as a "bouncy, drum-heavy song",<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10320400|title=Disney's Frog Princess|date=22 May 2007|work=NPR.org|access-date=4 April 2018|archive-date=22 January 2018|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180122181631/https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10320400|url-status=live}}</ref> while the Best of Disney calls it a "labored routine".<ref>{{cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=NwpJvqQTsY8C&q=%22What+Made+the+Red+Man+Red|title=The best of Disney|isbn=9780517653463|last1=Sinyard|first1=Neil|date=1988-09-28|access-date=2020-02-03|archive-date=2020-10-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171740/https://books.google.com/books?id=NwpJvqQTsY8C&q=%22What+Made+the+Red+Man+Red&dq=%22What+Made+the+Red+Man+Red&hl=en|url-status=live}}</ref>
==Contemporary reception==
''[[Complex (magazine)|Complex]]'' notes that in the 21st century, "you can't just ask people 'What Makes the Red Man Red?{{'"}}, and comments on the Lost Boys' musical number: "Jeez, you {{Sic|racists}} little monsters, no wonder you're orphans."<ref name="hopeschreiber">{{cite web|url=http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2014/05/most-racist-moments-disney-movies-cartoons/peter-pan|title=Peter Pan - The Most Racist Moments in Disney Cartoons|first=Hope|last=Schreiber|work=Complex|access-date=2020-10-25|archive-date=2018-01-21|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180121125924/http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2014/05/most-racist-moments-disney-movies-cartoons/peter-pan|url-status=live}}</ref> Althouse said the song has "obvious political correctness problems".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://althouse.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/we-know-what-made-nbc-drop-what-made.html|title=Althouse|work=althouse.blogspot.com.au|date=2014-12-05|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630024854/http://althouse.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/we-know-what-made-nbc-drop-what-made.html|url-status=live}}</ref> AllDay notes that "the one time they break into song" is the only time the Native Americans do not speak in broken English throughout the film.<ref name="allday.com">{{cite web|url=http://allday.com/post/4177-your-favorite-childhood-disney-movies-are-really-racist/|title=Your Favorite Childhood Disney Movies Are Really Racist|work=All Day|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2016-03-04|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160304035406/http://allday.com/post/4177-your-favorite-childhood-disney-movies-are-really-racist/|url-status=live}}</ref> In the article "Caught on Film: The Racist Ghosts of Disney's Past", DivineCaroline writes "The best part of the song is when the singers say that their version is the right one, 'no matter what's been written or said'."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.divinecaroline.com/entertainment/caught-film-racist-ghosts-disneys-past|title=Caught on Film: The Racist Ghosts of Disney's Past|work=Divine Caroline|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630071432/http://www.divinecaroline.com/entertainment/caught-film-racist-ghosts-disneys-past|url-status=live}}</ref> Bustle deems the song a "big ol' pile of racism".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bustle.com/articles/52099-alanna-saunders-plays-tiger-lily-on-peter-pan-live-but-has-the-role-been-updated-or|title=Bustle|work=bustle.com|access-date=27 June 2015|archive-date=30 June 2015|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630093818/http://www.bustle.com/articles/52099-alanna-saunders-plays-tiger-lily-on-peter-pan-live-but-has-the-role-been-updated-or|url-status=live}}</ref> MediaDiversed says the "horror that was the song" serves to reinforce stereotypes and racist attitudes.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://mediadiversified.org/2015/05/15/what-fresh-hell-is-this-the-princess-of-north-sudan-more-scary-tale-than-fairy-tale/|title=What fresh hell is this? 'The Princess of North Sudan; more scary tale than fairy tale'|work=Media Diversified|date=2015-05-15|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-29|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150629213451/http://mediadiversified.org/2015/05/15/what-fresh-hell-is-this-the-princess-of-north-sudan-more-scary-tale-than-fairy-tale/|url-status=live}}</ref>
''[[The Guardian]]'' writes that the song is "exactly as alarming to modern eyes and ears as its title suggests".<ref name="alanyuhas">{{cite news|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/07/tiger-lily-peter-pan-native-american-stereotype|title=What's up, Tiger Lily? One Native American stereotype has certainly grown old|first=Alan|last=Yuhas|newspaper=the Guardian|date=2014-12-07|access-date=2016-12-18|archive-date=2016-11-07|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20161107225233/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/07/tiger-lily-peter-pan-native-american-stereotype|url-status=live}}</ref> Minnesota Playlist argues that this "infamous" number "upped the racist ante".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://minnesotaplaylist.com/magazine/article/2014/blog-picking-on-peter-pan|title=BLOG: Picking On Peter Pan|work=MinnesotaPlaylist.com|date=2014-12-02|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630122436/http://minnesotaplaylist.com/magazine/article/2014/blog-picking-on-peter-pan|url-status=live}}</ref> RantLifestyle notes that "the chief ... is a walking stereotype", and sums up their view of the song by saying "Oh dear".<ref name="rantlifestyle.com">{{cite web|url=http://www.rantlifestyle.com/2015/05/20/cartoons-you-didnt-know-were-racist/|title=Cartoons You Didn't Know Were Racist|publisher=Rantlifestyle.com|access-date=2015-07-01|date=2015-05-20|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630124623/http://www.rantlifestyle.com/2015/05/20/cartoons-you-didnt-know-were-racist/|url-status=live}}</ref> David Martinez, author of ''American Indians and Film'', writes, "My jaw hit the ground when I heard this song and saw these '[[redskin]]s' hopping around and making fools of themselves. Granted it was only a cartoon, but it was one in which the animators took the liberty of demeaning an entire race in the name of entertainment."<ref>{{cite journal|url=https://www.academia.edu/3816570|title=Disney's 'Peter Pan' (1953), directed by Clyde Geronimi, et al|first=David|last=Martínez|journal=Academia.edu|access-date=2017-12-02|archive-date=2020-10-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171742/https://www.academia.edu/3816570/Disneys_Peter_Pan_1953_directed_by_Clyde_Geronimi_et_al|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://news.blogs.wlu.edu/2013/04/14/wls-markowitz-co-edits-book-on-american-indians-in-movies/|title=W&L's Markowitz Co-edits Book on American Indians in Movies|work=wlu.edu|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630104858/http://news.blogs.wlu.edu/2013/04/14/wls-markowitz-co-edits-book-on-american-indians-in-movies/|url-status=live}}</ref> The rapper [[Narcy (rapper)|Narcycist]] references the song in an article about the use of subtle racism in film.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://noisey.vice.com/en_ca/blog/the-narcicyst-on-racism|title=The Narcicyst On Subtle Racism: The Porky Pig and Ali Baba 1940s Clip|first=Osman|last=Ahmed|work=NOISEY: Music by Vice|date=2014-05-23|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630162841/http://noisey.vice.com/en_ca/blog/the-narcicyst-on-racism|url-status=live}}</ref> ''The Hollywood Reporter'' calls the song "infamous".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-alert-actors-ethnicities-under-801729|title=Hollywood on Alert: Actors' Ethnicities Under Scrutiny Amid Heightened Sensitivities|first=Tatiana|last=Siegel|work=The Hollywood Reporter|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-07-01|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150701013736/http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-alert-actors-ethnicities-under-801729|url-status=live}}</ref> Sasha Houston Brown, Santee Sioux tribe member and adviser to the American Indian Success Program at [[Minneapolis Community and Technical College]], says about the scene: "I remember seeing it and not having the skills to understand why it made me feel embarrassed. What does that do to a child's formation of identity, even if it's subliminal and subconscious? The message is, 'You're not human. You're a trend. You're something that can be commodified and bought and sold.{{'"}}<ref>{{cite web|url=http://articles.redeyechicago.com/2013-01-08/news/36221701_1_american-indian-center-joseph-podlasek-popular-culture|title=Native American stereotypes|work=tribunedigital-redeyechicago|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630075356/http://articles.redeyechicago.com/2013-01-08/news/36221701_1_american-indian-center-joseph-podlasek-popular-culture|url-status=live}}</ref> An opinion article at ''The Daily Revelle'' notes the problem of depicting Native Americans in this way: "Disney has always been there to teach proper morals ... from an early start, Americans are fed these ideas, and the topic is never properly taught to correct them ... If you're teaching American history, put the time and effort into respectfully educating others on the extraordinary people that were here first."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.lsureveille.com/opinion/opinion-native-american-history-education-lacking/article_a3512e44-3965-11e4-b1c8-0017a43b2370.html|title=Opinion: Native American history education lacking|work=lsureveille.com|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2020-10-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171742/https://www.lsureveille.com/opinion/opinion-native-american-history-education-lacking/article_a3512e44-3965-11e4-b1c8-0017a43b2370.html|url-status=live}}</ref>
In an essay for [[Tor.com]], American author and critic [[Mari Ness]] argues that the "cartoon war dance" and song go even further than Barrie's play by "stat[ing] that the Indians are not just savages, but sexist savages, who force Wendy to go fetch firewood while the other boys have fun."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tor.com/2015/06/25/using-tinker-bell-to-shake-magic-into-everything-disney-peter-pan/|title=Using Tinker Bell To Shake Magic Into Everything: Disney's ''Peter Pan''|first=Mari|last=Ness|author-link=Mari Ness|work=Tor.com|date=2015-06-25|access-date=2021-02-10|archive-date=2019-09-20|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190920102013/https://www.tor.com/2015/06/25/using-tinker-bell-to-shake-magic-into-everything-disney-peter-pan/|url-status=live}}</ref> ''Wired'' says the "really awkward scene" features a "thoroughly appalling song, arguably more racist than anything in the notorious ''[[Song of the South]]''".<ref>{{cite magazine|url=http://archive.wired.com/geekdad/2013/02/peter-pan-video-review/|title=A Father-Son Review of Peter Pan|magazine=GeekDad|date=2013-02-23|last1=MacQuarrie|first1=Jim|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-07-12|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150712180845/http://archive.wired.com/geekdad/2013/02/peter-pan-video-review/|url-status=live}}</ref> The blog Racial Stereotyping notes, "Not only does this video stereotype Native Americans but it also stereotypes women".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://racialstereotyping.blogspot.com.au/p/black-stereotypes-in-media.html|title=Racial Stereotyping In the Media|work=racialstereotyping.blogspot.com.au|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630030050/http://racialstereotyping.blogspot.com.au/p/black-stereotypes-in-media.html|url-status=live}}</ref> Banon's Roar writes, "Watching now its [sic] cringe inducing. Every line is some kind of gag about how their skin is red and they make weird noises. Compare it even to the Crows from ''[[Dumbo]]''. They were timely caricatures as well, but their jokes were not aimed at humiliating themselves."<ref name="banonsroar.com">{{cite web|url=http://www.banonsroar.com/2014/05/peter-pan-1953.html|website=Banon's Roar!|title=Peter Pan (1953)|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-29|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150629232646/http://www.banonsroar.com/2014/05/peter-pan-1953.html|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|date=1997-07-28|title=Reversal of Roles|url=http://www.regent.edu/acad/schcom/rojc/wainer.html|access-date=2021-01-03|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/19970728034459/http://www.regent.edu/acad/schcom/rojc/wainer.html|archive-date=1997-07-28}}</ref> LeapToad says, "If any other ethnic group were treated this way, this film would have quietly disappeared, much like ''[[Song of the South]]'' has."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.leaptoad.com/ahp/disney.shtml|title=Alexander's Favorite Disney Movies|work=leaptoad.com|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2016-03-04|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160304035406/http://www.leaptoad.com/ahp/disney.shtml|url-status=live}}</ref> Though Hollywood.com names the 1953 film version as the third best Peter Pan adaption, it recommends that viewers "forget that whole 'What Made the Red Man Red?' part, for obvious reasons".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.hollywood.com/movies/peter-pan-movies-hook-tinkerbell-57252540/|title=Worst to Best: 'Peter Pan' Adaptations|author=Sage Young|work=Hollywood.com|date=2013-10-10|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630025917/http://www.hollywood.com/movies/peter-pan-movies-hook-tinkerbell-57252540/|url-status=live}}</ref> Greg Ehrbar of Mouse Tracks says the song "veers precariously into politically incorrect territory".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.mousetracksonline.com/movies.php?start_from=48|work=Mouse Tracks: The Story of Walt Disney Records|title=Think of a wonderful film...any happy little film...and this might pop into your head|date=February 15, 2013|first=Greg|last=Ehrbar|access-date=February 3, 2020|archive-date=October 30, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171741/http://www.mousetracksonline.com/movies.php?start_from=48|url-status=live}}</ref>
[[Marc Davis (animator)|Marc Davis]], one of the supervising animators of the 1953 film, said in an interview years after the production, "I'm not sure we would have done the Indians if we were making this movie now. And if we had we wouldn't do them the way we did back then...The Indians were [[Ward Kimball]]’s stuff. Beautifully done. The Indians could not have been done that way nowadays. I like them. Very funny. Very entertaining, especially the Big Chief." Disney historian [[Jim Korkis]] stated in attempt to clarify, "It is important to remember that ''Peter Pan'' was supposed to represent a young boy’s impression of pirates, mermaids and Indians and, as a result, these fanciful creations bore more of a relation to popular culture storybooks than reality."<ref>{{Cite web|title=Neverland Tribe {{!}}|url=https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/neverland-tribe/|access-date=2020-08-22|website=cartoonresearch.com|archive-date=2020-10-14|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201014045034/https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/neverland-tribe/|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>''Peter Pan Platinum Edition'' (Audio commentary). Roy E. Disney, Leonard Maltin, Jeff Kurtti, Frank Thomas, Ollie Johnston, Marc Davis, Kathryn Beaumont, Margaret Kerry. Burbank, California: Walt Disney Home Entertainment. 2007.</ref>
===Legacy===
When the film has been syndicated on television, the native scene has often been removed.<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/feature/a838617/disney-movie-racist-moments/|title=Digital Spy|last=|first=|date=2018-06-24|website=|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181026025116/http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/feature/a838617/disney-movie-racist-moments/|archive-date=2018-10-26|access-date=25 October 2018|quote=This scene often gets cut when it appears on TV.|url-status=live}}</ref>
Because of the perceived racial insensitivity of the characters and this song in particular by the time the film ''[[Return to Never Land]]'' was released in theatres in 2002, the Indians were not featured as characters in that movie.<ref name="allday.com"/> However, they appear physically in the tie-in videogame ''[[Peter Pan: Adventures in Never Land]]'' and in the ''[[Disney's Magic English]]'' series.
In Disney's ''Peter Pan, Jr.'' stage musical adaptation, the song is replaced by "What Makes the Brave Man Brave?", which focuses less on Native American stereotypes and more on the honor and courage of a hero.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://sites.google.com/site/peterpanjrpb/home/21|title=21 - What Makes a Man Brave|via=sites.google.com|accessdate=2022-05-04}}</ref>
During production of the 2015 Warner Bros. live-action film ''[[Pan (2015 film)|Pan]]'', the film's developers made a deliberate choice to distance the character of Tiger Lily and her people from Native American heritage and reimagine them as lacking any particular ethnicity, in order to "avoid the racial insensitivities of... Disney's 1953 animated film, which infamously featured the song 'What Made the Red Man Red?{{'"}}<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2015/06/new-peter-pan-movie-being-protested-for-color-blind-casting/|title=New Peter Pan Movie Being Protested for Color Blind Casting|work=clutchmagonline.com|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630014432/http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2015/06/new-peter-pan-movie-being-protested-for-color-blind-casting/|url-status=live}}</ref><!-- Site was down when I checked it (3 February 2020), with a CloudFlare placeholder implying this was temporary -->
The song is sampled in the [[Frank Waln]] song of the same title, in which he raps about the legacy of [[Genocide of indigenous peoples|genocide]] and [[Colonialism and america|colonialism]] and criticizes the original song for its alleged racism.<ref>{{Cite news|url=https://lrinspire.com/2016/02/01/frank-waln-releases-newest-track-what-makes-the-red-man-red/|title=Frank Waln Releases Newest Track 'What Makes the Red Man Red'|date=2016-02-01|work=LRInspire|access-date=2018-10-25|language=en-US|archive-date=2018-10-25|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181025225542/https://lrinspire.com/2016/02/01/frank-waln-releases-newest-track-what-makes-the-red-man-red/|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|url=https://psmag.com/news/the-miseducation-of-frank-waln|title=The Miseducation of Frank Waln|work=Pacific Standard|access-date=2018-10-25|language=en|archive-date=2018-10-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181026025033/https://psmag.com/news/the-miseducation-of-frank-waln|url-status=live}}</ref>
==References==
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Writer Kim McLarin of NPR describes it as a "bouncy, drum-heavy song",<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10320400|title=Disney's Frog Princess|date=22 May 2007|work=NPR.org|access-date=4 April 2018|archive-date=22 January 2018|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180122181631/https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10320400|url-status=live}}</ref> while the Best of Disney calls it a "labored routine".<ref>{{cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=NwpJvqQTsY8C&q=%22What+Made+the+Red+Man+Red|title=The best of Disney|isbn=9780517653463|last1=Sinyard|first1=Neil|date=1988-09-28|access-date=2020-02-03|archive-date=2020-10-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171740/https://books.google.com/books?id=NwpJvqQTsY8C&q=%22What+Made+the+Red+Man+Red&dq=%22What+Made+the+Red+Man+Red&hl=en|url-status=live}}</ref>
+==Contemporary reception==
+''[[Complex (magazine)|Complex]]'' notes that in the 21st century, "you can't just ask people 'What Makes the Red Man Red?{{'"}}, and comments on the Lost Boys' musical number: "Jeez, you {{Sic|racists}} little monsters, no wonder you're orphans."<ref name="hopeschreiber">{{cite web|url=http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2014/05/most-racist-moments-disney-movies-cartoons/peter-pan|title=Peter Pan - The Most Racist Moments in Disney Cartoons|first=Hope|last=Schreiber|work=Complex|access-date=2020-10-25|archive-date=2018-01-21|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180121125924/http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2014/05/most-racist-moments-disney-movies-cartoons/peter-pan|url-status=live}}</ref> Althouse said the song has "obvious political correctness problems".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://althouse.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/we-know-what-made-nbc-drop-what-made.html|title=Althouse|work=althouse.blogspot.com.au|date=2014-12-05|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630024854/http://althouse.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/we-know-what-made-nbc-drop-what-made.html|url-status=live}}</ref> AllDay notes that "the one time they break into song" is the only time the Native Americans do not speak in broken English throughout the film.<ref name="allday.com">{{cite web|url=http://allday.com/post/4177-your-favorite-childhood-disney-movies-are-really-racist/|title=Your Favorite Childhood Disney Movies Are Really Racist|work=All Day|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2016-03-04|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160304035406/http://allday.com/post/4177-your-favorite-childhood-disney-movies-are-really-racist/|url-status=live}}</ref> In the article "Caught on Film: The Racist Ghosts of Disney's Past", DivineCaroline writes "The best part of the song is when the singers say that their version is the right one, 'no matter what's been written or said'."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.divinecaroline.com/entertainment/caught-film-racist-ghosts-disneys-past|title=Caught on Film: The Racist Ghosts of Disney's Past|work=Divine Caroline|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630071432/http://www.divinecaroline.com/entertainment/caught-film-racist-ghosts-disneys-past|url-status=live}}</ref> Bustle deems the song a "big ol' pile of racism".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bustle.com/articles/52099-alanna-saunders-plays-tiger-lily-on-peter-pan-live-but-has-the-role-been-updated-or|title=Bustle|work=bustle.com|access-date=27 June 2015|archive-date=30 June 2015|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630093818/http://www.bustle.com/articles/52099-alanna-saunders-plays-tiger-lily-on-peter-pan-live-but-has-the-role-been-updated-or|url-status=live}}</ref> MediaDiversed says the "horror that was the song" serves to reinforce stereotypes and racist attitudes.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://mediadiversified.org/2015/05/15/what-fresh-hell-is-this-the-princess-of-north-sudan-more-scary-tale-than-fairy-tale/|title=What fresh hell is this? 'The Princess of North Sudan; more scary tale than fairy tale'|work=Media Diversified|date=2015-05-15|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-29|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150629213451/http://mediadiversified.org/2015/05/15/what-fresh-hell-is-this-the-princess-of-north-sudan-more-scary-tale-than-fairy-tale/|url-status=live}}</ref>
+
+''[[The Guardian]]'' writes that the song is "exactly as alarming to modern eyes and ears as its title suggests".<ref name="alanyuhas">{{cite news|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/07/tiger-lily-peter-pan-native-american-stereotype|title=What's up, Tiger Lily? One Native American stereotype has certainly grown old|first=Alan|last=Yuhas|newspaper=the Guardian|date=2014-12-07|access-date=2016-12-18|archive-date=2016-11-07|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20161107225233/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/07/tiger-lily-peter-pan-native-american-stereotype|url-status=live}}</ref> Minnesota Playlist argues that this "infamous" number "upped the racist ante".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://minnesotaplaylist.com/magazine/article/2014/blog-picking-on-peter-pan|title=BLOG: Picking On Peter Pan|work=MinnesotaPlaylist.com|date=2014-12-02|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630122436/http://minnesotaplaylist.com/magazine/article/2014/blog-picking-on-peter-pan|url-status=live}}</ref> RantLifestyle notes that "the chief ... is a walking stereotype", and sums up their view of the song by saying "Oh dear".<ref name="rantlifestyle.com">{{cite web|url=http://www.rantlifestyle.com/2015/05/20/cartoons-you-didnt-know-were-racist/|title=Cartoons You Didn't Know Were Racist|publisher=Rantlifestyle.com|access-date=2015-07-01|date=2015-05-20|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630124623/http://www.rantlifestyle.com/2015/05/20/cartoons-you-didnt-know-were-racist/|url-status=live}}</ref> David Martinez, author of ''American Indians and Film'', writes, "My jaw hit the ground when I heard this song and saw these '[[redskin]]s' hopping around and making fools of themselves. Granted it was only a cartoon, but it was one in which the animators took the liberty of demeaning an entire race in the name of entertainment."<ref>{{cite journal|url=https://www.academia.edu/3816570|title=Disney's 'Peter Pan' (1953), directed by Clyde Geronimi, et al|first=David|last=Martínez|journal=Academia.edu|access-date=2017-12-02|archive-date=2020-10-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171742/https://www.academia.edu/3816570/Disneys_Peter_Pan_1953_directed_by_Clyde_Geronimi_et_al|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://news.blogs.wlu.edu/2013/04/14/wls-markowitz-co-edits-book-on-american-indians-in-movies/|title=W&L's Markowitz Co-edits Book on American Indians in Movies|work=wlu.edu|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630104858/http://news.blogs.wlu.edu/2013/04/14/wls-markowitz-co-edits-book-on-american-indians-in-movies/|url-status=live}}</ref> The rapper [[Narcy (rapper)|Narcycist]] references the song in an article about the use of subtle racism in film.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://noisey.vice.com/en_ca/blog/the-narcicyst-on-racism|title=The Narcicyst On Subtle Racism: The Porky Pig and Ali Baba 1940s Clip|first=Osman|last=Ahmed|work=NOISEY: Music by Vice|date=2014-05-23|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630162841/http://noisey.vice.com/en_ca/blog/the-narcicyst-on-racism|url-status=live}}</ref> ''The Hollywood Reporter'' calls the song "infamous".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-alert-actors-ethnicities-under-801729|title=Hollywood on Alert: Actors' Ethnicities Under Scrutiny Amid Heightened Sensitivities|first=Tatiana|last=Siegel|work=The Hollywood Reporter|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-07-01|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150701013736/http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-alert-actors-ethnicities-under-801729|url-status=live}}</ref> Sasha Houston Brown, Santee Sioux tribe member and adviser to the American Indian Success Program at [[Minneapolis Community and Technical College]], says about the scene: "I remember seeing it and not having the skills to understand why it made me feel embarrassed. What does that do to a child's formation of identity, even if it's subliminal and subconscious? The message is, 'You're not human. You're a trend. You're something that can be commodified and bought and sold.{{'"}}<ref>{{cite web|url=http://articles.redeyechicago.com/2013-01-08/news/36221701_1_american-indian-center-joseph-podlasek-popular-culture|title=Native American stereotypes|work=tribunedigital-redeyechicago|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630075356/http://articles.redeyechicago.com/2013-01-08/news/36221701_1_american-indian-center-joseph-podlasek-popular-culture|url-status=live}}</ref> An opinion article at ''The Daily Revelle'' notes the problem of depicting Native Americans in this way: "Disney has always been there to teach proper morals ... from an early start, Americans are fed these ideas, and the topic is never properly taught to correct them ... If you're teaching American history, put the time and effort into respectfully educating others on the extraordinary people that were here first."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.lsureveille.com/opinion/opinion-native-american-history-education-lacking/article_a3512e44-3965-11e4-b1c8-0017a43b2370.html|title=Opinion: Native American history education lacking|work=lsureveille.com|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2020-10-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171742/https://www.lsureveille.com/opinion/opinion-native-american-history-education-lacking/article_a3512e44-3965-11e4-b1c8-0017a43b2370.html|url-status=live}}</ref>
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+In an essay for [[Tor.com]], American author and critic [[Mari Ness]] argues that the "cartoon war dance" and song go even further than Barrie's play by "stat[ing] that the Indians are not just savages, but sexist savages, who force Wendy to go fetch firewood while the other boys have fun."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tor.com/2015/06/25/using-tinker-bell-to-shake-magic-into-everything-disney-peter-pan/|title=Using Tinker Bell To Shake Magic Into Everything: Disney's ''Peter Pan''|first=Mari|last=Ness|author-link=Mari Ness|work=Tor.com|date=2015-06-25|access-date=2021-02-10|archive-date=2019-09-20|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190920102013/https://www.tor.com/2015/06/25/using-tinker-bell-to-shake-magic-into-everything-disney-peter-pan/|url-status=live}}</ref> ''Wired'' says the "really awkward scene" features a "thoroughly appalling song, arguably more racist than anything in the notorious ''[[Song of the South]]''".<ref>{{cite magazine|url=http://archive.wired.com/geekdad/2013/02/peter-pan-video-review/|title=A Father-Son Review of Peter Pan|magazine=GeekDad|date=2013-02-23|last1=MacQuarrie|first1=Jim|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-07-12|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150712180845/http://archive.wired.com/geekdad/2013/02/peter-pan-video-review/|url-status=live}}</ref> The blog Racial Stereotyping notes, "Not only does this video stereotype Native Americans but it also stereotypes women".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://racialstereotyping.blogspot.com.au/p/black-stereotypes-in-media.html|title=Racial Stereotyping In the Media|work=racialstereotyping.blogspot.com.au|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630030050/http://racialstereotyping.blogspot.com.au/p/black-stereotypes-in-media.html|url-status=live}}</ref> Banon's Roar writes, "Watching now its [sic] cringe inducing. Every line is some kind of gag about how their skin is red and they make weird noises. Compare it even to the Crows from ''[[Dumbo]]''. They were timely caricatures as well, but their jokes were not aimed at humiliating themselves."<ref name="banonsroar.com">{{cite web|url=http://www.banonsroar.com/2014/05/peter-pan-1953.html|website=Banon's Roar!|title=Peter Pan (1953)|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-29|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150629232646/http://www.banonsroar.com/2014/05/peter-pan-1953.html|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|date=1997-07-28|title=Reversal of Roles|url=http://www.regent.edu/acad/schcom/rojc/wainer.html|access-date=2021-01-03|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/19970728034459/http://www.regent.edu/acad/schcom/rojc/wainer.html|archive-date=1997-07-28}}</ref> LeapToad says, "If any other ethnic group were treated this way, this film would have quietly disappeared, much like ''[[Song of the South]]'' has."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.leaptoad.com/ahp/disney.shtml|title=Alexander's Favorite Disney Movies|work=leaptoad.com|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2016-03-04|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160304035406/http://www.leaptoad.com/ahp/disney.shtml|url-status=live}}</ref> Though Hollywood.com names the 1953 film version as the third best Peter Pan adaption, it recommends that viewers "forget that whole 'What Made the Red Man Red?' part, for obvious reasons".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.hollywood.com/movies/peter-pan-movies-hook-tinkerbell-57252540/|title=Worst to Best: 'Peter Pan' Adaptations|author=Sage Young|work=Hollywood.com|date=2013-10-10|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630025917/http://www.hollywood.com/movies/peter-pan-movies-hook-tinkerbell-57252540/|url-status=live}}</ref> Greg Ehrbar of Mouse Tracks says the song "veers precariously into politically incorrect territory".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.mousetracksonline.com/movies.php?start_from=48|work=Mouse Tracks: The Story of Walt Disney Records|title=Think of a wonderful film...any happy little film...and this might pop into your head|date=February 15, 2013|first=Greg|last=Ehrbar|access-date=February 3, 2020|archive-date=October 30, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171741/http://www.mousetracksonline.com/movies.php?start_from=48|url-status=live}}</ref>
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+[[Marc Davis (animator)|Marc Davis]], one of the supervising animators of the 1953 film, said in an interview years after the production, "I'm not sure we would have done the Indians if we were making this movie now. And if we had we wouldn't do them the way we did back then...The Indians were [[Ward Kimball]]’s stuff. Beautifully done. The Indians could not have been done that way nowadays. I like them. Very funny. Very entertaining, especially the Big Chief." Disney historian [[Jim Korkis]] stated in attempt to clarify, "It is important to remember that ''Peter Pan'' was supposed to represent a young boy’s impression of pirates, mermaids and Indians and, as a result, these fanciful creations bore more of a relation to popular culture storybooks than reality."<ref>{{Cite web|title=Neverland Tribe {{!}}|url=https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/neverland-tribe/|access-date=2020-08-22|website=cartoonresearch.com|archive-date=2020-10-14|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201014045034/https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/neverland-tribe/|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>''Peter Pan Platinum Edition'' (Audio commentary). Roy E. Disney, Leonard Maltin, Jeff Kurtti, Frank Thomas, Ollie Johnston, Marc Davis, Kathryn Beaumont, Margaret Kerry. Burbank, California: Walt Disney Home Entertainment. 2007.</ref>
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+===Legacy===
+When the film has been syndicated on television, the native scene has often been removed.<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/feature/a838617/disney-movie-racist-moments/|title=Digital Spy|last=|first=|date=2018-06-24|website=|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181026025116/http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/feature/a838617/disney-movie-racist-moments/|archive-date=2018-10-26|access-date=25 October 2018|quote=This scene often gets cut when it appears on TV.|url-status=live}}</ref>
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+Because of the perceived racial insensitivity of the characters and this song in particular by the time the film ''[[Return to Never Land]]'' was released in theatres in 2002, the Indians were not featured as characters in that movie.<ref name="allday.com"/> However, they appear physically in the tie-in videogame ''[[Peter Pan: Adventures in Never Land]]'' and in the ''[[Disney's Magic English]]'' series.
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+In Disney's ''Peter Pan, Jr.'' stage musical adaptation, the song is replaced by "What Makes the Brave Man Brave?", which focuses less on Native American stereotypes and more on the honor and courage of a hero.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://sites.google.com/site/peterpanjrpb/home/21|title=21 - What Makes a Man Brave|via=sites.google.com|accessdate=2022-05-04}}</ref>
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+During production of the 2015 Warner Bros. live-action film ''[[Pan (2015 film)|Pan]]'', the film's developers made a deliberate choice to distance the character of Tiger Lily and her people from Native American heritage and reimagine them as lacking any particular ethnicity, in order to "avoid the racial insensitivities of... Disney's 1953 animated film, which infamously featured the song 'What Made the Red Man Red?{{'"}}<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2015/06/new-peter-pan-movie-being-protested-for-color-blind-casting/|title=New Peter Pan Movie Being Protested for Color Blind Casting|work=clutchmagonline.com|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630014432/http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2015/06/new-peter-pan-movie-being-protested-for-color-blind-casting/|url-status=live}}</ref><!-- Site was down when I checked it (3 February 2020), with a CloudFlare placeholder implying this was temporary -->
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+The song is sampled in the [[Frank Waln]] song of the same title, in which he raps about the legacy of [[Genocide of indigenous peoples|genocide]] and [[Colonialism and america|colonialism]] and criticizes the original song for its alleged racism.<ref>{{Cite news|url=https://lrinspire.com/2016/02/01/frank-waln-releases-newest-track-what-makes-the-red-man-red/|title=Frank Waln Releases Newest Track 'What Makes the Red Man Red'|date=2016-02-01|work=LRInspire|access-date=2018-10-25|language=en-US|archive-date=2018-10-25|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181025225542/https://lrinspire.com/2016/02/01/frank-waln-releases-newest-track-what-makes-the-red-man-red/|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|url=https://psmag.com/news/the-miseducation-of-frank-waln|title=The Miseducation of Frank Waln|work=Pacific Standard|access-date=2018-10-25|language=en|archive-date=2018-10-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181026025033/https://psmag.com/news/the-miseducation-of-frank-waln|url-status=live}}</ref>
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0 => '==Contemporary reception==',
1 => '''[[Complex (magazine)|Complex]]'' notes that in the 21st century, "you can't just ask people 'What Makes the Red Man Red?{{'"}}, and comments on the Lost Boys' musical number: "Jeez, you {{Sic|racists}} little monsters, no wonder you're orphans."<ref name="hopeschreiber">{{cite web|url=http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2014/05/most-racist-moments-disney-movies-cartoons/peter-pan|title=Peter Pan - The Most Racist Moments in Disney Cartoons|first=Hope|last=Schreiber|work=Complex|access-date=2020-10-25|archive-date=2018-01-21|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180121125924/http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2014/05/most-racist-moments-disney-movies-cartoons/peter-pan|url-status=live}}</ref> Althouse said the song has "obvious political correctness problems".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://althouse.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/we-know-what-made-nbc-drop-what-made.html|title=Althouse|work=althouse.blogspot.com.au|date=2014-12-05|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630024854/http://althouse.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/we-know-what-made-nbc-drop-what-made.html|url-status=live}}</ref> AllDay notes that "the one time they break into song" is the only time the Native Americans do not speak in broken English throughout the film.<ref name="allday.com">{{cite web|url=http://allday.com/post/4177-your-favorite-childhood-disney-movies-are-really-racist/|title=Your Favorite Childhood Disney Movies Are Really Racist|work=All Day|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2016-03-04|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160304035406/http://allday.com/post/4177-your-favorite-childhood-disney-movies-are-really-racist/|url-status=live}}</ref> In the article "Caught on Film: The Racist Ghosts of Disney's Past", DivineCaroline writes "The best part of the song is when the singers say that their version is the right one, 'no matter what's been written or said'."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.divinecaroline.com/entertainment/caught-film-racist-ghosts-disneys-past|title=Caught on Film: The Racist Ghosts of Disney's Past|work=Divine Caroline|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630071432/http://www.divinecaroline.com/entertainment/caught-film-racist-ghosts-disneys-past|url-status=live}}</ref> Bustle deems the song a "big ol' pile of racism".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bustle.com/articles/52099-alanna-saunders-plays-tiger-lily-on-peter-pan-live-but-has-the-role-been-updated-or|title=Bustle|work=bustle.com|access-date=27 June 2015|archive-date=30 June 2015|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630093818/http://www.bustle.com/articles/52099-alanna-saunders-plays-tiger-lily-on-peter-pan-live-but-has-the-role-been-updated-or|url-status=live}}</ref> MediaDiversed says the "horror that was the song" serves to reinforce stereotypes and racist attitudes.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://mediadiversified.org/2015/05/15/what-fresh-hell-is-this-the-princess-of-north-sudan-more-scary-tale-than-fairy-tale/|title=What fresh hell is this? 'The Princess of North Sudan; more scary tale than fairy tale'|work=Media Diversified|date=2015-05-15|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-29|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150629213451/http://mediadiversified.org/2015/05/15/what-fresh-hell-is-this-the-princess-of-north-sudan-more-scary-tale-than-fairy-tale/|url-status=live}}</ref>',
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3 => '''[[The Guardian]]'' writes that the song is "exactly as alarming to modern eyes and ears as its title suggests".<ref name="alanyuhas">{{cite news|url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/07/tiger-lily-peter-pan-native-american-stereotype|title=What's up, Tiger Lily? One Native American stereotype has certainly grown old|first=Alan|last=Yuhas|newspaper=the Guardian|date=2014-12-07|access-date=2016-12-18|archive-date=2016-11-07|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20161107225233/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/07/tiger-lily-peter-pan-native-american-stereotype|url-status=live}}</ref> Minnesota Playlist argues that this "infamous" number "upped the racist ante".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://minnesotaplaylist.com/magazine/article/2014/blog-picking-on-peter-pan|title=BLOG: Picking On Peter Pan|work=MinnesotaPlaylist.com|date=2014-12-02|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630122436/http://minnesotaplaylist.com/magazine/article/2014/blog-picking-on-peter-pan|url-status=live}}</ref> RantLifestyle notes that "the chief ... is a walking stereotype", and sums up their view of the song by saying "Oh dear".<ref name="rantlifestyle.com">{{cite web|url=http://www.rantlifestyle.com/2015/05/20/cartoons-you-didnt-know-were-racist/|title=Cartoons You Didn't Know Were Racist|publisher=Rantlifestyle.com|access-date=2015-07-01|date=2015-05-20|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630124623/http://www.rantlifestyle.com/2015/05/20/cartoons-you-didnt-know-were-racist/|url-status=live}}</ref> David Martinez, author of ''American Indians and Film'', writes, "My jaw hit the ground when I heard this song and saw these '[[redskin]]s' hopping around and making fools of themselves. Granted it was only a cartoon, but it was one in which the animators took the liberty of demeaning an entire race in the name of entertainment."<ref>{{cite journal|url=https://www.academia.edu/3816570|title=Disney's 'Peter Pan' (1953), directed by Clyde Geronimi, et al|first=David|last=Martínez|journal=Academia.edu|access-date=2017-12-02|archive-date=2020-10-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171742/https://www.academia.edu/3816570/Disneys_Peter_Pan_1953_directed_by_Clyde_Geronimi_et_al|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://news.blogs.wlu.edu/2013/04/14/wls-markowitz-co-edits-book-on-american-indians-in-movies/|title=W&L's Markowitz Co-edits Book on American Indians in Movies|work=wlu.edu|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630104858/http://news.blogs.wlu.edu/2013/04/14/wls-markowitz-co-edits-book-on-american-indians-in-movies/|url-status=live}}</ref> The rapper [[Narcy (rapper)|Narcycist]] references the song in an article about the use of subtle racism in film.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://noisey.vice.com/en_ca/blog/the-narcicyst-on-racism|title=The Narcicyst On Subtle Racism: The Porky Pig and Ali Baba 1940s Clip|first=Osman|last=Ahmed|work=NOISEY: Music by Vice|date=2014-05-23|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630162841/http://noisey.vice.com/en_ca/blog/the-narcicyst-on-racism|url-status=live}}</ref> ''The Hollywood Reporter'' calls the song "infamous".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-alert-actors-ethnicities-under-801729|title=Hollywood on Alert: Actors' Ethnicities Under Scrutiny Amid Heightened Sensitivities|first=Tatiana|last=Siegel|work=The Hollywood Reporter|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-07-01|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150701013736/http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-alert-actors-ethnicities-under-801729|url-status=live}}</ref> Sasha Houston Brown, Santee Sioux tribe member and adviser to the American Indian Success Program at [[Minneapolis Community and Technical College]], says about the scene: "I remember seeing it and not having the skills to understand why it made me feel embarrassed. What does that do to a child's formation of identity, even if it's subliminal and subconscious? The message is, 'You're not human. You're a trend. You're something that can be commodified and bought and sold.{{'"}}<ref>{{cite web|url=http://articles.redeyechicago.com/2013-01-08/news/36221701_1_american-indian-center-joseph-podlasek-popular-culture|title=Native American stereotypes|work=tribunedigital-redeyechicago|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630075356/http://articles.redeyechicago.com/2013-01-08/news/36221701_1_american-indian-center-joseph-podlasek-popular-culture|url-status=live}}</ref> An opinion article at ''The Daily Revelle'' notes the problem of depicting Native Americans in this way: "Disney has always been there to teach proper morals ... from an early start, Americans are fed these ideas, and the topic is never properly taught to correct them ... If you're teaching American history, put the time and effort into respectfully educating others on the extraordinary people that were here first."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.lsureveille.com/opinion/opinion-native-american-history-education-lacking/article_a3512e44-3965-11e4-b1c8-0017a43b2370.html|title=Opinion: Native American history education lacking|work=lsureveille.com|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2020-10-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171742/https://www.lsureveille.com/opinion/opinion-native-american-history-education-lacking/article_a3512e44-3965-11e4-b1c8-0017a43b2370.html|url-status=live}}</ref>',
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5 => 'In an essay for [[Tor.com]], American author and critic [[Mari Ness]] argues that the "cartoon war dance" and song go even further than Barrie's play by "stat[ing] that the Indians are not just savages, but sexist savages, who force Wendy to go fetch firewood while the other boys have fun."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tor.com/2015/06/25/using-tinker-bell-to-shake-magic-into-everything-disney-peter-pan/|title=Using Tinker Bell To Shake Magic Into Everything: Disney's ''Peter Pan''|first=Mari|last=Ness|author-link=Mari Ness|work=Tor.com|date=2015-06-25|access-date=2021-02-10|archive-date=2019-09-20|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190920102013/https://www.tor.com/2015/06/25/using-tinker-bell-to-shake-magic-into-everything-disney-peter-pan/|url-status=live}}</ref> ''Wired'' says the "really awkward scene" features a "thoroughly appalling song, arguably more racist than anything in the notorious ''[[Song of the South]]''".<ref>{{cite magazine|url=http://archive.wired.com/geekdad/2013/02/peter-pan-video-review/|title=A Father-Son Review of Peter Pan|magazine=GeekDad|date=2013-02-23|last1=MacQuarrie|first1=Jim|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-07-12|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150712180845/http://archive.wired.com/geekdad/2013/02/peter-pan-video-review/|url-status=live}}</ref> The blog Racial Stereotyping notes, "Not only does this video stereotype Native Americans but it also stereotypes women".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://racialstereotyping.blogspot.com.au/p/black-stereotypes-in-media.html|title=Racial Stereotyping In the Media|work=racialstereotyping.blogspot.com.au|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630030050/http://racialstereotyping.blogspot.com.au/p/black-stereotypes-in-media.html|url-status=live}}</ref> Banon's Roar writes, "Watching now its [sic] cringe inducing. Every line is some kind of gag about how their skin is red and they make weird noises. Compare it even to the Crows from ''[[Dumbo]]''. They were timely caricatures as well, but their jokes were not aimed at humiliating themselves."<ref name="banonsroar.com">{{cite web|url=http://www.banonsroar.com/2014/05/peter-pan-1953.html|website=Banon's Roar!|title=Peter Pan (1953)|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-29|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150629232646/http://www.banonsroar.com/2014/05/peter-pan-1953.html|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|date=1997-07-28|title=Reversal of Roles|url=http://www.regent.edu/acad/schcom/rojc/wainer.html|access-date=2021-01-03|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/19970728034459/http://www.regent.edu/acad/schcom/rojc/wainer.html|archive-date=1997-07-28}}</ref> LeapToad says, "If any other ethnic group were treated this way, this film would have quietly disappeared, much like ''[[Song of the South]]'' has."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.leaptoad.com/ahp/disney.shtml|title=Alexander's Favorite Disney Movies|work=leaptoad.com|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2016-03-04|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160304035406/http://www.leaptoad.com/ahp/disney.shtml|url-status=live}}</ref> Though Hollywood.com names the 1953 film version as the third best Peter Pan adaption, it recommends that viewers "forget that whole 'What Made the Red Man Red?' part, for obvious reasons".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.hollywood.com/movies/peter-pan-movies-hook-tinkerbell-57252540/|title=Worst to Best: 'Peter Pan' Adaptations|author=Sage Young|work=Hollywood.com|date=2013-10-10|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630025917/http://www.hollywood.com/movies/peter-pan-movies-hook-tinkerbell-57252540/|url-status=live}}</ref> Greg Ehrbar of Mouse Tracks says the song "veers precariously into politically incorrect territory".<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.mousetracksonline.com/movies.php?start_from=48|work=Mouse Tracks: The Story of Walt Disney Records|title=Think of a wonderful film...any happy little film...and this might pop into your head|date=February 15, 2013|first=Greg|last=Ehrbar|access-date=February 3, 2020|archive-date=October 30, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171741/http://www.mousetracksonline.com/movies.php?start_from=48|url-status=live}}</ref>',
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7 => '[[Marc Davis (animator)|Marc Davis]], one of the supervising animators of the 1953 film, said in an interview years after the production, "I'm not sure we would have done the Indians if we were making this movie now. And if we had we wouldn't do them the way we did back then...The Indians were [[Ward Kimball]]’s stuff. Beautifully done. The Indians could not have been done that way nowadays. I like them. Very funny. Very entertaining, especially the Big Chief." Disney historian [[Jim Korkis]] stated in attempt to clarify, "It is important to remember that ''Peter Pan'' was supposed to represent a young boy’s impression of pirates, mermaids and Indians and, as a result, these fanciful creations bore more of a relation to popular culture storybooks than reality."<ref>{{Cite web|title=Neverland Tribe {{!}}|url=https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/neverland-tribe/|access-date=2020-08-22|website=cartoonresearch.com|archive-date=2020-10-14|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201014045034/https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/neverland-tribe/|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>''Peter Pan Platinum Edition'' (Audio commentary). Roy E. Disney, Leonard Maltin, Jeff Kurtti, Frank Thomas, Ollie Johnston, Marc Davis, Kathryn Beaumont, Margaret Kerry. Burbank, California: Walt Disney Home Entertainment. 2007.</ref>',
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9 => '===Legacy===',
10 => 'When the film has been syndicated on television, the native scene has often been removed.<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/feature/a838617/disney-movie-racist-moments/|title=Digital Spy|last=|first=|date=2018-06-24|website=|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181026025116/http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/feature/a838617/disney-movie-racist-moments/|archive-date=2018-10-26|access-date=25 October 2018|quote=This scene often gets cut when it appears on TV.|url-status=live}}</ref>',
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12 => 'Because of the perceived racial insensitivity of the characters and this song in particular by the time the film ''[[Return to Never Land]]'' was released in theatres in 2002, the Indians were not featured as characters in that movie.<ref name="allday.com"/> However, they appear physically in the tie-in videogame ''[[Peter Pan: Adventures in Never Land]]'' and in the ''[[Disney's Magic English]]'' series.',
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14 => 'In Disney's ''Peter Pan, Jr.'' stage musical adaptation, the song is replaced by "What Makes the Brave Man Brave?", which focuses less on Native American stereotypes and more on the honor and courage of a hero.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://sites.google.com/site/peterpanjrpb/home/21|title=21 - What Makes a Man Brave|via=sites.google.com|accessdate=2022-05-04}}</ref>',
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16 => 'During production of the 2015 Warner Bros. live-action film ''[[Pan (2015 film)|Pan]]'', the film's developers made a deliberate choice to distance the character of Tiger Lily and her people from Native American heritage and reimagine them as lacking any particular ethnicity, in order to "avoid the racial insensitivities of... Disney's 1953 animated film, which infamously featured the song 'What Made the Red Man Red?{{'"}}<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2015/06/new-peter-pan-movie-being-protested-for-color-blind-casting/|title=New Peter Pan Movie Being Protested for Color Blind Casting|work=clutchmagonline.com|access-date=2015-06-27|archive-date=2015-06-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150630014432/http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2015/06/new-peter-pan-movie-being-protested-for-color-blind-casting/|url-status=live}}</ref><!-- Site was down when I checked it (3 February 2020), with a CloudFlare placeholder implying this was temporary -->',
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18 => 'The song is sampled in the [[Frank Waln]] song of the same title, in which he raps about the legacy of [[Genocide of indigenous peoples|genocide]] and [[Colonialism and america|colonialism]] and criticizes the original song for its alleged racism.<ref>{{Cite news|url=https://lrinspire.com/2016/02/01/frank-waln-releases-newest-track-what-makes-the-red-man-red/|title=Frank Waln Releases Newest Track 'What Makes the Red Man Red'|date=2016-02-01|work=LRInspire|access-date=2018-10-25|language=en-US|archive-date=2018-10-25|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181025225542/https://lrinspire.com/2016/02/01/frank-waln-releases-newest-track-what-makes-the-red-man-red/|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|url=https://psmag.com/news/the-miseducation-of-frank-waln|title=The Miseducation of Frank Waln|work=Pacific Standard|access-date=2018-10-25|language=en|archive-date=2018-10-26|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181026025033/https://psmag.com/news/the-miseducation-of-frank-waln|url-status=live}}</ref>',
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20 => '==References==',
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