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The result of the discussion was restore and AfD. Jay 💬 17:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Associated Press Service → Associated Press of Pakistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I can't find any evidence that the Associated Press Service still exists, nor that it's connected with the Associated Press of Pakistan. Dan Bloch (talk) 20:04, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: The Associated Press Service is a separate entity that appears to have went offline midway through 2023. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Restore this version, which was erroneously BLARed by an anon. No prejudice against sending to AFD. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:40, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Restore article and send to AfD per WP:BLAR --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - The article suggested for restoration from 2022 is only a small article without enough sources to really establish Notability. Given that, rather than restore and send to AfD, I would just suggest deleting it here. - Dyork (talk) 02:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Restore article per Presidentman. Whether sources demonstrate notability is a question for AfD not RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 09:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Restore article and ship to AfD as per Presidentman, Lenticel, and Thryduulf. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 13:50, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or keep as a redirect. Sources that appear in the hidden stub are no longer working, so it would be pointless to restore. Better to leave as is since there's already a hatnote placed at the current target which resolves the confusion. CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Just pick one: Restore and AfD, or Delete. Maybe it's the wrong venue, maybe it's the right venue. But it would be quite pointless to keep relisting this. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Indeed, this is the time for a bartender close, not a relist. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:40, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. The content at Mind Power (series) before the redirect was seen as G11-worthy. Jay 💬 16:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Mind Power (series) → The Learning Company  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Mind Power series → The Learning Company  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete or add sourced mention to target, where it isn't mentioned. Narky Blert (talk) 14:27, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. This was originally created as an article (at Mind Power series, which I've added to this nomination). Rosguill tagged it with {{Notability}}, then three days later Scope creep redirected it with the edit summary "Brochure article. G11. References are specific to the products existance, packaging etc with no standalone notability.". Thryduulf (talk) 15:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge or delete. If it can be sourced (I've not looked), a slightly condensed version of the prose in this revision should be merged to The Learning Company#Software and both redirects refined to point at that mention. If it can't be sourced, delete. Thryduulf (talk) 15:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment by nom. If Mind Power (series) can be sourced and therefore retained as a redirect, it should be added to Mind Power, which I earlier today converted from a redirect to a DAB. Narky Blert (talk) 19:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the talk pages of the target and creator.
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• Delete - There is no mention of “Mind Power” anywhere on the target page, and so someone redirected to The Learning Company may be very confused as to why they were redirected there. - Dyork (talk) 02:15, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Gossip On This → SHE Media  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Gossip On This is not mentioned on the target page, and after a quick search, I don't see a connection between these two topics. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of UFC events. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• UFC event → 2024 in UFC  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect could have numerous targets relating to UFC. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to List of UFC events to align this with UFC events. - Eureka Lott 20:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per Eureka Lott. Thryduulf (talk) 21:44, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to List of UFC events. Cassiopeia talk 22:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to List of UFC events per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 22:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ^Complex/_Rational 22:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• If a greater wave shall fall it will fall upon a song → Wherever You Will Go  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect is based on a misunderstanding of the song's lyrics. The song lyrics read, "If a great wave shall fall / And fall upon us all". Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How common of a mondegreen is it? If it's a common enough misunderstanding of the lyrics, it should be kept, but otherwise, throw it out. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:07, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Considering there are zero Google hits, I'd guess it's not at all common. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• delete per Paul_012's findings --Lenticel ^(talk) 22:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 06:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 17:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Doramon → Doraemon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. This is a redirect with one single incoming link from a page in the User namespace. Apparently just another misspelling or typo. 1.36.109.173 (talk) 16:48, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. This a very well used redirect (39 hits in the 30 days prior to this nomination, over 200 last year) evidencing that this is a very plausible search term, especially for people who have heard the name but not seen it written. As noted at the top of the page Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. and redirects from common misspellings and typos are good redirects to have (see Category:Redirects from misspellings). Thryduulf (talk) 17:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Doramon resembles popular wrong pronunciation of Doraemon. Only reason it could have been nominated for deleteion was implausible typo, which it clearly is not. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 19:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Redirect is for common typo mostly and not incoming links, however it could also be a reason----ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 19:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC) ----- to save it. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 10:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, as per WP:RTYPO a redirect needs multiple typos before it's considered implausible. One missing E is not enough. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:08, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, the word is difficult to spell, can definitely be searched by people unfamiliar with the subject, plausible typo. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep seems to be an actual alias of the character according to Doraemon: Nobita's Three Visionary Swordsmen. --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, it is not anomaly, per [1], it is Doraemon's alias for the movie's plot in dreamworld counterpart. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 06:32, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Not seeing a need to salt at this point in time. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Grounded videos → Vyond#Grounded videos  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The section ‘Grounded videos’ was removed. Delete this redirect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aitraintheeditorandgamer (talk • contribs) 02:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The Grounded videos is originally nominated for deletion by User:Aitraintheeditorandgamer in this edit, and the template was mistakenly added to the wrong page. Therefore, I am correcting this entry here. – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment the section was removed in this edit by Ohnoitsjamie on 10 March this year. The rationale for removal was "not supported by sources". Thryduulf (talk) 16:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Restore section. While I'll accept that a random essay on autism in kids and a random article on Caillou being taken off the air are definitely not acceptable sources for a section on the Grounded Videos meme, the source from Geek.com is perfectly valid and definitely supports the article, and though nowadays it's normally a dead link, the Wayback Machine has our backs. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Lunamann: Please refer to Talk:Vyond/Archive 1#Grounded videos if you were not aware of them. Attempts to mention such types of videos have failed in the past, due to poor sourcing other than that Internet Gutter post (which cannot be the only source to establish notability). --Minoa (talk) 09:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I was, indeed, not aware of this, thank you. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Changing my vote to delete as per Minoa and Cyclone. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and maybe salt: I told user JSwift49 that the Internet Gutter article alone is not enough, because Geek.com was a web blog. I think there needs to be more reliable coverage on the subject beyond that one source or a passing mention, before I can reconsider reinstatement. Salting is mentioned here because the title was previously deleted five times prior to this request. --Minoa (talk) 20:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Minoa. No use in restoring if no reliable sources exist. CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate using ADIC. Jay 💬 15:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Adic → Arity  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This page has a long history of pointing at various targets. Right now Arity has a link to p-adic number, one of the previous targets of this redirect, in the "see also" section (which I would consider misuse, as hatnotes should be used for this purpose). Incidentally, until 2018, this was redirecting to the article on the more general concept of Completion of a ring (which currently does not explicitly introduce the term "I-adic completion" but does so for the I-adic topology, while linking to the main article on that topic). It also briefly was some sort of disambiguation page, as the title (modulo capitalisation) can also be an abbreviation of Advanced Digital Information Corporation. The question is whether arity is the primary topic here (and the ambiguity should be resolved by hatnotes or a separate DAB page), or whether this title itself should be disambiguated. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This was a disambiguation page in 2006 (link), and it should be one again. The math section here can be expanded to include the other meanings besides the p-adic numbers. Redirecting to Arity makes little sense when the numbers are more common, and the people who keep trying to put ADIC back in suggest that it's needed for that as well. (Perhaps the two disambiguation pages should be combined, but then it should capitalized as here, not there.) —Toby Bartels (talk) 13:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re-Dabify as per Toby. Hopefully this should serve to handle the redirect tug-of-war. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate: as per Toby. Putting the contents of ADIC into here makes sense as well. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 15:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• This should be disambiguated, I have no preference whether that is at Adic or ADIC, but there should be a single page covering both. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Dabify Merging the dabs helps protect against the 2-dabs curse. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
  
• Dabify per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to ADIC (a disambiguation page) as all the dabify comments above suggest. The disambiguation page already exists. We do not need a second one. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note that I have now added the term "I-adic completion" explicitly into the article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Roxy (given name)#Fictional characters. Jay 💬 13:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Roxy (character) → Foxy (Merrie Melodies)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned, and that's not Roxy. So, I suggest a retarget to Roxy (given name), due to no primary topic. 176.33.244.31 (talk) 12:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Roxy (given name)#Fictional characters, a refinement of the proposed retarget. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Roxy (given name)#Fictional characters: seeing as that's where the characters called Roxy can be found. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 13:18, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to the section per above. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Roxy (given name)#Fictional characters per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Roxy (given name)#Fictional characters: There are too many fictional characters named Roxy (including me) to have this pointing to a one off mention 'Foxy appeared along with his girlfriend (here christened "Roxy")' StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 03:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Jay 💬 05:51, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• November 2023 Terrorist Encounter in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa → 2023 Tirah shooting  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Terrorist Encounter"? Was at this title for under a day. Rusalkii (talk) 01:53, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep. The incident does seem to described as an encounter with terrorists by contemporary news reports so it's not an implausible search term. Probably should be tagged as {{R from non-neutral term}} though. Thryduulf (talk) 13:30, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep "Encounter" is a very common euphemism for a hit/shooting/gun battle etc in South Asian media, so a plausible search term. Johnbod (talk) 03:29, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Since both keep !votes are weak.
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• As nom, amending my !vote to the same weak keep, I hadn't realized this was a common euphemism. Rusalkii (talk) 04:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep? Well, if everyone is weakly keeping, and nobody is voting against, how weak are the keep votes, really? Either way, tag as non-neutral and keep the R from move tag. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 05:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep most move (even early moves) should be kept unless they are misleading. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 15:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
  

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 06:44, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• LGBT liberal → Category:LGBT liberalism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• LGBT liberalism → Liberalism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A story of two redirects created for the same circumstance, but resulted in vastly different outcomes. Both of these were created by a sockpuppet as an antonym redirect to LGBT conservatism. However, these two received target changes before they could be G5'ed. LGBT liberal went to Category:LGBT liberalism, which such a redirect-to-category-space I don't think is helpful nor necessary for this term. The title match to the category however, LGBT liberalism, ended up getting retargeted to Liberalism, where this terminology never gets mentioned. While the difference in targets is certainly a problem, I believe that between the "borderline-parallel category" and "page without mention", NEITHER of the existing solutions are a great fit for the terms. The only mainspace page that discusses these topics in tandem is LGBT+ Liberal Democrats, which might work, but even then it begs the question whether these sockpuppet terms are even needed to begin with, as none of the possibilities are stellar. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:REDLINK. LGBT liberalism seems like the sort of thing which could be turned into a standalone article (like LGBT conservatism) - with LGBT liberal probably redirecting to it - but that's probably not gonna happen any time soon whilst it's a redirect. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 13:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per nom and HOTmess, in absence of any page detailing the intersection of the terms this is an WP:XY situation. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Abuse#Legal abuse. Jay 💬 06:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Legal abuse → Category:Abuse of the legal system  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Legal abuses → Category:Abuse of the legal system  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

While permitted, redirecting to a category is not the most ideal outcome for readers, and existing targets in article space should be prioritized where possible. Was BLAR'd in 2022 and converted into a redirect to a particular category, but I feel Abuse#Legal abuse might be more appropriate and helpful for readers on a wider scale. While not much content exists at the page currently, it has the category handily linked right there. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget as per nom. Perhaps the redirects pointing there could spur some editors to flesh it out, hm~? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:22, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Abuse#Legal abuse per nom, with a side of Template:R with possibilities 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 15:45, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per above, note it was originally a redirect in January 2010 to the suggested target and was converted to an article in July 2011 by the author. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Abuse#Legal abuse per above. --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 06:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Insect pest of grape → Category:Grape pest insects  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

In the grand scheme of redirects into category space, this title does not seem to have an apparent need as it stands. It currently exists as an unlikely search term for the subject, pointing at a title that just contains a handful of insect articles. Grape pest insects does not exist. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the one hand, this is some EXTREMELY strange and rather unlikely phrasing. On the other, I don't think there's really any better place for it to point, if kept. Delete as per nom, failing that, oppose any retarget effort until further notice. (Further notice being myself going 'Hey wait, that IS a good retarget' and changing my vote.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per Pppery in the previous discussion: oddly formatted, not a plausible search term. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete for the lack of a good target. If we had List of grape pests, Pests in viniculture, a List of pests that contained some information about which were pests of grapes, or anything along those lines then I'd probably recommend retargetting there but we don't - indeed the only related titles I can find are List of pests and diseases of roses and List of insect pests of millets. Thryduulf (talk) 16:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Given we have a category page ready to go with all the information needed to make such a list article, I'm surprised we don't have a list article on the topic. That said, this isn't AfC. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per above. Agree that we could have a list about that topic in the future but that's not within the scope of RfD. --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as an unlikely search term and unnecessary WP:CNR. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 19:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Texas–Permian Basin Falcons football#Notable former players. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Texas–Permian Basin Falcons football players → Category:Texas–Permian Basin Falcons football players  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not particularly useful or conventional to target this cross-namespace redirect to a category of football players. Evidenced from [2], these types of redirects are mainly used for journals and not just any category that exists. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Texas–Permian Basin Falcons football#Notable former players to resolve the WP:XNR. I'm not a fan of the "other stuff doesn't exist" argument from the nom. If the redirect is a useful search term and category space is the only logical place to target it, then I have no issue with an XNR there. (FWIW, I'm strongly in favor of deleting those journal XNRs). -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per Tavix. Thryduulf (talk) 16:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Asenso Abrenio → Maria Jocelyn Bernos  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

External sources have led me to believe this is a song/dance. No mention at the target, unclear relationship to a politician. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 05:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Okay so I've done some digging on the matter. Firstly, I've moved Maria Jocelyn Bernos to Joy Bernos, seeing as most of the info about her refers to her as 'Joy Bernos'. Secondly, there is a very strong link between 'Asenso Abrenio' and Joy Bernos. 'Asenso Abrenio' appears to be a campaign slogan used by her (as mentioned here https://abra.gov.ph/project-and-programs/joy-h-e-l-p-s/), but at the same time, I suspect that there may be some confusion between that and her party name. Looking at election results etc, she appears to be part of the 'ASENSO' party, but, looking at various pages here (such as Abra Provincial Board), she's apparently part of the 'Asenso Abrenio' party (not 'ASENSO'). Not sure if that qualifies as a reason keep/delete this redirect, but it's worth bearing in mind for this discussion (and for the subsequent cleanup either way). 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 15:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  FWIW, "Asenso" seems to be the "short name" for Asenso Abrenio, like "Dem", "Rep", "Lab" are for the Democratic Party (United States), Republican Party (United States) and Labour Party (United Kingdom). Howard the Duck (talk) 20:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I've left a note at Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines (the relevant WikiProject) as input from those familiar with politicians/political parties in the Philippines will be particularly useful here. Thryduulf (talk) 16:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Ideally, a separate article should be created, and not just be redirected to an article of a party member who already has one. This party, in coalition with the National Unity Party (Philippines) won 1 seat in the 2022 Philippine House of Representatives elections (presumably Ching Bernos from Abra's at-large congressional district). I dunno if parties winning a seat in a national legislature makes it automatically notable, but it being redirected to a single person may not be right, unless that person is the sole embodiment of the party and no one else is, but this party is not like that as multiple members of the Bernos family have won under this label. So I guess Ching may have an equal dibs on the redirect as Joy, which probably means it has to be deleted if no one can come up with an article for it. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:47, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  As a sidenote, the party does possess a majority of seats in the Abra Provincial Board, but they seem to be a local party based entirely within Abra. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 18:05, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  As per WP:N, what would make a party notable, afaik, wouldn't be the party winning the seat- it'd be the reputable news coverage reporting that the party won the seat, doing so with more than just one throwaway line. Find the sources, you find the notability. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Unfortunately, it's not easy to find sources on the internet about a faraway province (from Manila) such as Abra... unless it's some criminal activity. I know about WP:GNG, but we do have "automatic notability" thresholds, such as for politicians, being elected to a national legislature; for political parties and even actual elections, there may be no such thing. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It appears that political parties are covered under WP:ORG, if that's of any use. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 22:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:ORG is just WP:GNG rewritten. It's unlike WP:NPOL where there is an automatic threshold; for example, the three Bernoses that served as representatives are automatically notable, while the current governor of Abra, Dominic B. Valera, who hasn't served as congressman himself, isn't (all of these four people, including the governor, are related). At this point a quick Google search for me turns up nothing useful. I'd rather delete this than be redirected to just one of the Bernoses. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete for now as this is a party and not necessarily just the politician. It seems that this political party exists. However, cursory search of GNews, GNews Archives and GBooks shows me very few refs than can be used to make an article. --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:58, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• For bonus confusion, here is a source suggesting this is the slogan of the province she's governor of. My initial attempts in detangling this redirect left me sufficently confused I left it in the queue, thank you Utopes for getting to it. Rusalkii (talk) 04:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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