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Proposing retarget to {{tl|Pronoun}}. This redirect is unused, and it's target is used on a single page. It appears that some editors (see [[Template talk:Personal pronouns]]) come up to this redirect as a mistake while trying to look for the significantly used {{tl|Pronoun}} instead. <span class="nowrap">---'''[[User:CX Zoom|CX Zoom]]'''(<sup>he</sup>/<sub>him</sub>)</span> <span class="nowrap">(<sup>[[User talk:CX Zoom|let's talk]]</sup>&#124;<sub>[[Special:Contributions/CX Zoom|contribs]]</sub>)</span> 15:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Proposing retarget to {{tl|Pronoun}}. This redirect is unused, and it's target is used on a single page. It appears that some editors (see [[Template talk:Personal pronouns]]) come up to this redirect as a mistake while trying to look for the significantly used {{tl|Pronoun}} instead. <span class="nowrap">---'''[[User:CX Zoom|CX Zoom]]'''(<sup>he</sup>/<sub>him</sub>)</span> <span class="nowrap">(<sup>[[User talk:CX Zoom|let's talk]]</sup>&#124;<sub>[[Special:Contributions/CX Zoom|contribs]]</sub>)</span> 15:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' per nom. This is what I'd expect too, and the plural form is often used in this context ("What are your pronouns?" "My pronouns are..."). --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:24, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' per nom. This is what I'd expect too, and the plural form is often used in this context ("What are your pronouns?" "My pronouns are..."). --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:24, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. This is standard, as the category [[:Category:Redirects from plurals]] attests. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:grey;">[[User:RockMagnetist|RockMagnetist]]([[User talk:RockMagnetist|talk]])</span> 01:20, 7 April 2022 (UTC)


==== Genetics and skin disease ====
==== Genetics and skin disease ====

Revision as of 01:20, 7 April 2022

April 6

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 6, 2022.

Rapido_Trains

Rapido Trains is a Canadian model train manufacturer. Arnold Rapido is a brand previously used by the German model train manufacturer Arnold but I believe no longer used. I I do not believe "Rapido Trains" was ever used as a brand by Arnold. I believe most people searching for "Rapido Trains" will be looking for the Canadian manufacturer, and so in the absence of a page for them "Rapido Trains" should redirect to the "Rapido" disambiguation page which lists the Canadian manufacturer, as well as providing a link to the page on Arnold for those looking for it. --Eldomtom2 (talk) 20:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prefixes and suffixes in Hebrew

I think delete because suffixes in Hebrew exists, or redirect to Modern Hebrew grammar § Prepositions QuickQuokka [⁠talk • contribs] 20:00, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Modern Hebrew grammar where both prefixes and suffixes are discussed throughout the article. I will add hatnotes at that sectionlinks in the "see also" section to the two specific articles (and remove the link to this redirect there). At first glance it looks like a textbook WP:XY situation, but upon digging there originally was an article at this title that was WP:SPLIT into the two extant articles. The history is a little confusing probably because of a copy/paste move. There was an attempt to turn this into a disambiguation page which was eventually WP:PRODed and then WP:BLARed to its current target. In any case, this should be kept for its page history and for keep any old links intact, particularly external ones. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:54, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian prisoners

Not sure why we would assume that this phrase refers to POWs in the most recent war when it could easily refer to prisons in Armenia or Armenian prisoners in other conflicts/contexts. I think that deletion to allow for internal search results is most appropriate here. signed, Rosguill talk 19:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More redirects with no space before disambiguator

Delete all per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. Each of these redirects' properly-spaced variants exist and target the same target as their respective nominated redirect. Also, none of these redirects have incoming links from the article space. (See recent related discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 24#Redirects with no space before disambiguator that target spaced title.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:58, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Steel1943: do we need a discussion for fixing double redirects? VQuakr (talk) 19:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(Note: This comment is specific to October(poem) unless stated otherwise.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @VQuakr: What are you referring to? I'm unclear what is meant by this inquiry in regards to how it relates to this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 19:49, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per WP:UNNATURAL (an essay, but still wise words). Parenthetical disambiguation is an internal Wikipedia device, and mistakenly created redirects which vary from our formatting conventions serve no purpose. Certes (talk) 20:18, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete All - I don't see a particularly good reason to keep these. I agree. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 23:30, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Virtual threads

Virtual threads are not synonymous with Green threads, because green threads were one implementation of virtual threads, which is a larger concept. Therefore this redirect prevents review of a draft of a separate article on Draft:Virtual threads. There should be two separate articles, each cross-referencing the other.

It seems that the best way to resolve this issue is by discussing deleting the redirect (and then deleting the redirect, permitting two articles). Robert McClenon (talk) 18:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kia/Gia

Unneeded Qwv (talk) 17:21, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Pronouns

Proposing retarget to {{Pronoun}}. This redirect is unused, and it's target is used on a single page. It appears that some editors (see Template talk:Personal pronouns) come up to this redirect as a mistake while trying to look for the significantly used {{Pronoun}} instead. ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk|contribs) 15:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget per nom. This is what I'd expect too, and the plural form is often used in this context ("What are your pronouns?" "My pronouns are..."). --BDD (talk) 17:24, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This is standard, as the category Category:Redirects from plurals attests. RockMagnetist(talk) 01:20, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Genetics and skin disease

Potential WP:XY issue: Genetics and Skin disease represent two distinct topics, and the target article does not seem to represent a combination of the two topics. Steel1943 (talk) 06:10, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:41, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of royal visits by Queen Elizabeth II

As an American, I would have expected this to point to List of state visits made by Elizabeth II. I take it "royal visits" is understood to mean to Commonwealth realms? If this is widely understood throughout the Commonwealth, maybe this is just a case for hatnotes. But given the existing hatnote at List of state visits made by Elizabeth II, and the fact that her visits to Commonwealth realms are a logical subtopic, I recommend retargeting.

Note also that Royal visit redirects to State visit. --BDD (talk) 14:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disambigate with links to the Queen's state visits and tours of Commonwealth countries. Peter Ormond 💬 15:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

League per Salvini Premier

This redirect was coming from an original typo or bad translation (which was mixing English "League" and Italian "per"). I propose its deletion. It was formerly pointing to Lega per Salvini Premier (all in Italian). Another valid redirect is League for Salvini Premier (all in English). But this mixed version is highly unlikely to be searched and used by readers. Yakme (talk) 11:42, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ukrainian Revolution of 2013

There wasn't any 'Ukrainian revolution of 2013', so this seems to be an implausible misnomer. The revolution happened in 2014, and we have an article on it, Revolution of Dignity. The question is, do we delete this redirect, redirect it to Revolution of Dignity (as a potential typo), or leave it tied to the article on the Euromaidan movement, which does include 2013 events (though they were not yet a revolution at that stage)? RGloucester — ☎ 04:04, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Both articles’ intros support the idea that the protests led to the revolution, and one could conceive of the two as a four-month “revolution.” As a reader following the link is expecting an article about something that started in 2013, I would prefer keeping the redirect as is, but I’m also fine with changing it to the other. —Michael Z. 17:24, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I lean toward deletion per WP:XY: Euromaidan was not (generally described by reliable sources as) a revolution, and the Revolution of Dignity did not take place in 2013, so it's not obvious which of the two directions to correct in. However, it's at least a closer to match to the latter (to which Ukrainian Revolution of 2014 redirects, and which does characterize a build-up starting in 2013), so my second choice would be a retarget there. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 15:02, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Delete. I find it a close call between Keep and Delete, but I think re-targeting to Revolution of Dignity would be a mistake. That re-targeting tends to imply that 2013 had nothing to do with it, which is misleading. Without this redirect, the possible-match list that drops down when typing in the search box would show "Ukrainian Revolution of 2013-14", which acknowledges the 2013 roots of the 2014 revolution. Google for the redirect-title phrase shows both articles together at the top, with Revolution of Dignity first. Overall, delete seems best to me. --R. S. Shaw (talk) 20:48, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Delete, the revolution is not known by that name. Readers looking for the revolution in the context of 2013 will still be offered with Ukrainian Revolution of 2013-14 per Shaw. Jay (talk) 16:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, I think this is a plausible misnomer given this is a series of events that began in 2013 and ended with a 2014 revolution. Anyone who may have thought the revolution started in 2013 will be granted easy access to the article that explains what happened when. -- Tavix (talk) 23:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no consensus after two relists. One more try…
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  • Keep per Tavix, though I've gone ahead and tagged it with {{R from incorrect name}}. My gut says that even today, Euromaidan is a more familiar term for the average enwiki reader than Revolution of Dignity, though the articles are so well interlinked, I don't feel strongly that this must point to one or the other. --BDD (talk) 14:46, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nation of Israel

Retarget to Israelis based off of precedent like Irish nation, Nation of Pakistan or Pakistani nation. See also Jewish nation redirect. Balkovec (talk) 08:33, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nation of Taiwan

Retarget to Taiwanese people. Balkovec (talk) 08:30, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nation of China

Redirect to Chinese people, based off of precedent from other '_ nation' redirects like Irish nation, Nation of Pakistan or Pakistani nation. BTW, I plan to propose merging Zhonghua minzu into Chinese people#Zhonghua minzu (the "Chinese nation"). Balkovec (talk) 08:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Online class

In my opinion, these titles, along with Online learning, mainly refer to Distance education, particularly the recent subset of distance education that is online. I think this might be the primary topic, however, maybe others disagree. Do these terms refer to online technology that may be used while students are physically in a classroom? Is there a difference between the meaning of these terms? —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 04:03, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak target to the DAB, else Target both at Distance education. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 05:22, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Slow Blind Driveway

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

No mention of this name at the target, nor could searching yield any proof that Gorka ever used this name. Appears to be linked to a long term hoax at WP:LOHOW. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Noting previous RFD: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 November 19#Slow Blind Driveway.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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National Hydrographic Office

Should these target the same place? The Indian NHD department is the only one I've found with any signficant content about a national hydrographic office, but the list includes other offices with this exact name about which we don't have articles (e.g. Oman, which also gets passing mentions elsewhere). Category:National hydrographic offices shows we have articles about similarly named organisations at least some of which this would be a plausible search term. That category notes the lowercase title as the main article, but it has only ever been a redirect. However this revision from 2016 of Hydrographic office was an article with a list. The redirection of that appears to have been done boldly by Boris Kaiser "due to overlap", see Talk:Hydrographic office. I've run out of time to investigate further. Thryduulf (talk) 22:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Latin Portuguese

Not mentioned at the target, nor are cognate terms mentioned at the linked ptWiki article. Searching both the internet and Google Scholar in both English and Portuguese, all results appear to be about documents written in a mix of Portuguese and Latin, rather than Brazilian Portuguese. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Retarget to American Portuguese, linked from {{Portuguese dialects}}, but given that we usually mean US when we say American on enwiki, it might be better to rename that article South American Portuguese or Latin American Portuguese, especially since there are small Lusophone communities in the US that may have dialects of their own (Languages of the United States#Portuguese). --BDD (talk) 14:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neither of these alternate suggestions acknowledge the main issue I have with the redirect, which is that I have yet to see any evidence that "Latin Portuguese" ever refers to "Latin American Portuguese" in existing literature. signed, Rosguill talk 19:11, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    But it's reasonably unambiguous. Looking over Latin (disambiguation), the ancient Latins obviously didn't speak any sort of Portuguese; Portuguese is a Latin language in the sense of Romance languages, and uses the Latin alphabet/script, but none of those are likely to lead to such a search term. It's very hard for me to imagine a reader using this and not thinking of it as "Latin American Portuguese".
Compare also to Latin Spanish, which redirects to Spanish language in the Americas. --BDD (talk) 19:52, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mahachanok

This redirect currently targets Mahanipata Jataka#Mahajanaka, an article that does not contain a section called "Mahajanaka" and does not mention "Mahachanok", although it contains a section called "2. Prince Mahajanaka (the lost prince) - Act of vigour". Perhaps "Mahachanok" is an alternative name for that lost prince. There is no hatnote about the term in that article, but there is an article at Mahachanok (mango) about a highly notable mango cultivar. The term is also mentioned with a non-mango meaning in the articles Imam Pasand and Wat Pathum Khongkha, and there is a variant of the term as "Maha Chanok" that is a partial string match to red links for Pathum Borom Maha Chanok in several articles such as Vajirananavarorasa. Should "Mahachanok" become a dab page? Should a mention be added in Mahanipata Jataka#Mahajanaka? Should Mahachanok (mango) be moved to "Mahachanok" (or "Maha Chanok")? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:41, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Mahachanok is simply the romanised Thai pronunciation of the name Mahajanaka, which seems to be the mango's namesake. (It was named by King Bhumibol Adulyadej, who also wrote a version of the Mahajanaka story where a mango tree plays a prominent allegorical role near the end.) Since PohranicniStraze created the mango article at the disambiguated title, I assumed that the jataka tale was understood to be the primary topic, and redirected the plain name there accordingly. (The Mahanipata Jataka article could do with some major reworking, and the section titles should be shortened. But anyway, I've added the anchor that I apparently forgot when making the redirect. I do think Mahajanaka could and should eventually be a standalone article.) Whether the mango has actually become the primary topic in English usage, I'm not sure. Google News results are indeed mainly about the mango, though Google Books shows results mostly about the jataka. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:18, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm a bit on the fence between a disambiguation of the term and a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to the mango article with a hatnote. This is a WP:TWODABS situation, and I suspect most Wikipedia readers are looking for the mango, especially when considering that there isn't much information available on Wikipedia about the jataka, and what is provided is not very extensive. I think I lean slightly toward the mango as the primary meaning for Wikipedia readers, but I would be happy to defer to using disambiguation if your opinion differs. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:01, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Avatar: The Last Airbender – Agni Kai

Redirect title is not used in target article. Tube·of·Light 13:38, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Delete - 'Agni Kai' refers to, in the franchise's broader story context, a fire-bending duel for the sake of one's own honor, and it isn't something that would be detailed in the article cited here. Deletion looks like the best option to me. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:06, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1–2 finish

This redirect is misleading, and basically an WP:EGG redirect. 1-2 finishes are not unique to Formula One, or even motorsport. It is unreasonable to assume that most, (or even 5% of) people looking up 1-2 finish, are looking for a Formula One stat. SSSB (talk) 11:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, per nom. DH85868993 (talk) 12:00, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is this a term used outside of motorsport? A few searches turned up nothing for me outside of motorsport. We could add the term to Glossary of motorsport terms and redirect there. A7V2 (talk) 22:20, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • The results are biased towards recent events, but I got results relating to ski-cross (x3-4), speed skating (x2), para biathlon and Athletics. I think the only reason you get mostly motorsport is because that is where 1-2s are most common, not becuase it is motorsport terminology. And the only reason it is most common in motorsport is because it is one of the few sports where team mates compete seperatly (outside of Olympics/world Championships). I would therefore prefer general defintion on wiktionary (as Glossary of sports terms doesn't exist). SSSB (talk) 08:25, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ah yes of course. I've heard the term in reference to athletics now that I think about it. I still think the term is mostly associated/used with motorsport. I think readers/searchers are best served by going to the motorsport glossary now that an entry exists there. We could add a sentence to the definition there with something like "The term is also used for any sporting event where two competitors from the same team, country, etc. finish in the first two places." A7V2 (talk) 03:57, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Glossary of motorsport terms#0–9 as alternative to deletion. It's mostly associated with motorsport. czar 02:30, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Delete this is not restricted to motorsports. Just look at the Olympics -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:13, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Bettettnad

Confusing search term which is not mentioned at target article. Not sure if any connection exists between the redirect and the article's subject, and why it even points there to begin with. CycloneYoris talk! 06:13, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Likely a misspelt word of Vettathunad that is mentioned in the lead of the article Kingdom of Tanur. There is nothing like the term Bettettnad documented anywhere in South Indian history records and is better to keep the redirect as it is.R.COutlander07@talk 09:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Insider Community Board

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the article's subject unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 05:20, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Estru

Apparently a misspelling of Estrus leaving off the final s, no more plausible than any other misspelling, so this redirect is WP:COSTLY and merits deletion. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:44, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - I think that we can just be rid of this. Doesn't appear helpful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:06, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ostrus

This is a misspelling for Oestrus, but is also a surname (though there are currently no articles for anyone with the surname, there is a mention at Buddy Holly (album)). This redirect doesn't seem to be doing anyone any good, delete to avoid potential confusion/astonishment. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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