Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 March 5: Difference between revisions

March 5

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 5, 2015.

Template:User left

• Template:User left → Template:Left  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

should be deleted since this is not a userbox. Frietjes (talk) 22:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete - no links, no transclusions, clearly not a userbox and has never been a template. However, could possibly retarget to {{retired}} or {{not here}} (as in, this user has left). But since nobody's using it this way we might as well delete. Ivanvector (talk) 00:24, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, after reading it, I think that retarget to Template:Not here is better. That template starts with "This user may have left Wikipedia", and this could be a valid alternate. Ivanvector (talk) 00:44, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Template:Not here per above. - jc37 00:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• comment, if you are going to retarget it, I would prefer Template:User EX-WP, since that's a userbox, where as the other ones are not. Frietjes (talk) 00:54, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to agree, since there is an informal convention that templates that start with "User" are userboxen, but there are many exceptions: {{user inactive}}, {{user longterm inactive}}, {{user stress}}, {{user health inactive}}, and so on. Given that, I prefer "not here" as a target: that's for users who have left, versus EX-WP which is for users who may leave. Ivanvector (talk) 01:04, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to {{Not here}}. Same message. --Mr. Guye (talk) 02:50, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ciervist Conservatives

• Ciervist Conservatives → es:Juan de la Cierva y Peñafiel  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Inter-language soft redirects are not generally considered useful. TexasAndroid (talk) 19:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Juan de la Cierva y Peñafiel, a stub I have just created out of the Spanish-language article. Will do more work on it later. Ivanvector (talk) 20:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a great solution to me. :) - TexasAndroid (talk) 21:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note: we also have Juan de la Cierva about the inventor of the autogyro, a different person alive around the same time. Some of our articles pipe "Ciervist Conservatives" to his bio, but this seems to be incorrect. Pointing this out because it is obviously possible that I'm wrong. Ivanvector (talk) 21:49, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just a follow-up note: Spanish Wikipedia pipes "Conservadores de Juan de la Cierva" and "Ciervistas" to es:Juan de la Cierva y Peñafiel in multiple places, so we can ignore my earlier note. Ivanvector (talk) 00:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I'm happy to start doing the fiddly bits (infoboxes etc) for the TR from ES to EN, and mark up as such... but my Spanish is a bit rusty. would be cool to work on it together. I'll do the fiddly bits but the running text will need a damned good CE. Si Trew (talk) 08:44, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Eginyn

• Eginyn → cy:Wicipedia:Eginyn  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Inter-language soft redirects are not generally considered useful. TexasAndroid (talk) 19:34, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That is the way some pages are linked on Wikipedia; if there is not an article in the article's language, a redirect to an article in another language is created; take, for example, the link entitled Tramway d'Aubagne in the France table at Free public transport#Europe. <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 19:41, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

From Wikipedia:Soft redirect:

"Soft redirects to non-English language editions of Wikipedia should be avoided because they will generally be unhelpful to English-language readers." - TexasAndroid (talk) 19:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - this appears to be the Welsh Wikipedia's version of WP:STUB, thus not only an interlanguage redirect, but also a cross-namespace redirect out of main space. Has no incoming links other than those created by this discussion, so I can't even figure out what its purpose is. If it's targeting to that wiki's project space unintentionally and could otherwise target to the Welsh stub article (cy:Eginyn?) then delete because it's not a topic with an especially Welsh importance. Ivanvector (talk) 20:13, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The guidelines frown on this. With respect to Gadget Geek's comment, this is different from an interwiki link within an article's text, though I haven't looked into what the guidelines say about those. If the rationale were that there were articles here with redlinks pointing to Eginyn, it would be better, actually, to leave it as a redlink so people would know that the article was prime for being created, rather than obscuring that fact. —Largo Plazo (talk) 22:36, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• For what it's worth, I just found the question of inline interlanguage links covered at Help:Interlanguage links#Inline links. Method 3 was new to me. —Largo Plazo (talk) 22:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• • Then what do I have to do keep this page intact? <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 00:22, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to help, but I'm not sure what it is you want to do. Are you creating a link from an English page to the Welsh article cy:Eginyn? If so, the proper code is {{ill|cy|English title|Welsh title}} which will display cy. It's meant to be temporary while an English article is created. In your case, {{ill|cy|Stub|Eginyn}} displays cy, because we already have an English article on stubs. If you meant to create a cross-language redirect, we most often don't keep those unless the topic is significant in the foreign language. For example, Deutsche Demokratische Republik redirects to East Germany, because that German name is obviously relevant to English readers for that topic. I don't understand the English-language significance of the Welsh word for stubs, but it's entirely possible I'm just not seeing it. Or that it's a different word and Google Translate has failed me again. Ivanvector (talk) 00:40, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I intend to redirect to the Welsh page cy:Eginyn, that is right. Just want to make it convenient for Welsh users who inadvertently navigate to the English site and could not find what they were looking for. <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 01:44, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How would Welsh users accidentally find themselves on the English Wikipedia site if they're searching for a word that isn't here? And why for that one word? —Largo Plazo (talk) 02:10, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The proper way is to make an interlanguage link. Go to the English language page you want to add a link from, then on the left side menu, at the bottom, is a list of links to content on other language Wikipedias, and at the bottom is a link to "edit links". That takes you to Wikidata. There, on the right, is a section with links to other language Wikipedias. If you click the [edit] link beside that, you can add one for the Welsh Wikipedia. The detailed instructions are at Help:Interlanguage links#Adding a new link. I can do it for you if you like, if you let me know which English page you want to create a link from. I only just learned about this today myself; I had been going to each individual wiki and adding local links, but that method is no longer recommended. Ivanvector (talk) 02:54, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That does not work: I get a Link with page dialog, enter cywiki in the Language box, and Eginyn in the Page box, but clicking the Link with page button returns this generic pop-up message:

The page you wanted to link with is already attached to an item on the central data repository which links to Wikipedia:Stub on this site. Items can only have one page per site attached. Please choose a different page to link with.

The corresponding Wikidata entry already has cy:Wicipedia:Eginyn linked to it. But that is not the same page as cy:Eginyn. And besides, I want this page here (Eginyn) to automatically redirect to cy:Eginyn without going through a soft redirect; i.e. a hard redirect. And it seems that is not possible. Any solutions? <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 04:06, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) You're looking at the Wikidata page for Project:Stub, which is our internal project page on guidelines for very short articles, not an article about the subject of stubs, and yes, that link already exists and appears to correctly link to cy:Wicipedia:Eginyn. I think that you need to start from Stub (not Project:Stub or Wikipedia:Stub) to create the link you want. Although now I see that someone has made cy:Eginyn into a redirect to cy:Wicipedia:Eginyn, so I'm confused. You're right that hard redirects to other Wikipedias are disabled; I don't remember why but they break things. And like other users have said, creating soft redirects to other languages is discouraged because this Wikipedia is meant to be for English readers, and the vast majority of English readers won't have any reason to look for eginyn. If we didn't have this criteria, it's easily conceivable that we could have a redirect here from every word in every language, and it would make the project extremely large and unstable. Ivanvector (talk) 05:05, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete WP:XNR to an offsite non-reader content page that isn't in English. (the destination is a non-article content page) -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 04:59, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of Pakistani films of 2016

• List of Pakistani films of 2016 → Lists of Pakistani films  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Unnecessary redirect. No films for this page so why need a redirect? UBStalk 09:19, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete While there is a case for also nominating a merger of all the articles in that system, given there is so few movies listed in each, for 2016 it is WP:TOOSOON. 野狼院ひさし u/t/c 11:36, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of upcoming Pakistani films. Any film listed here is likely to fail WP:NFF. Ivanvector (talk) 15:29, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, no Pakistani films yet at 2016_in_film as far as I can see, so that wouldn't make a good target either. Siuenti (talk) 17:23, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:REDLINK - TheChampionMan1234 06:24, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as WP:CRYSTAL. I shall have trouble finding this, but I think we had a similar one for List of Indian Films of 2016, or something like that, here at RfD where it was so decided. (Specifically there was one Indian film, I think, that was released late, and some gnoming needed to be done for when it was released, but I can't remember exactly what: about a month ago.) Si Trew (talk) 08:22, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]