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The article was prodded due to less number of Google hits (55 for Subrabharathimanian and 21 for "Subrabharathi Manian"). I unprodded it because I believe that Google hits do not indicate notability or non-notability of a Tamil author. (Update: User:Mereda has pointed out at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chayathirai that the author is alternatively spelled as Cupraparatimaniyan, which gives some more Google results.)

User:Rmky87 believes that the subject is not notable enough to deserve an article on Wikipedia. The author is mentioned mostly on the sites which sell his book Chayathirai. User:Rmky87 has pointed out that Katha Award is not given by the President of India[1]. Also, there is only one site that tells he has won the "Best Novel Award" from the Tamil Nadu Government, and it belongs to the publisher.

Neutral as of now, although I am tempted to vote Weak Delete. Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chayathirai. utcursch | talk 07:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. utcursch | talk 07:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, non-notable book, advertising. Terence Ong 08:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Non-notable. Like it or not he is not notable according to Google. You may disagree with Google but then this article really doesn't belong in the English Wikipedia. We are not a collection of every local fact known to mankind. MartinDK 08:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep Like it or not, Indian language works are under represented in Internet. This author is well known in Tamil Nadu literary Circles. When articles like Camp_Menominee (which are of now use to persons outside that country) exist in WP, and no one cares to AFD that, but want to delete an article about an Indian Author who has won the Government Award, that speaks of Systemic Bias Remember that English Wikipedia is for Global Audience and not only for those from Europe and America  Doctor Bruno  15:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment You have provided us evidence that this award exists. Now prove to us that he won it. I hope you can upload the evidence if you have to. I know for a fact that Katha Awards are not awarded by the President of India as the original author claimed (that person isn't even mentioned as having the job of handing it over! Who first made that claim? The publisher?). Where would I find out who really won a Katha Award in 1993?

Yes, I remember that Wikipedia is for a global audience. I also remember that the existence of those other novels needs to be verified (and that internet evidence may be in Tamil script). Perhaps a search of for them using the original script is in order (it wasn't given in the original article). He is said to have written five other novels. I've looked more closely at the article and it appears that one of those novels I couldn't even find a seller for was already translated into English (Pinaingkalin Mukankal (The Faces of the Dead), I believe it was allegedly called). All four of the Google hits for that were Wikipedia and her clones.--Rmky87 17:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "Cupraparatimaniyan" yielded 11 distinct Google hits, almost all of which only mentioned him in connection with The Coloured Curtain. He had no results on Amazon.co.uk except through Google (see what I mean here at the very bottom), and his entry, Appa (what on earth is that?) is very spare, devoid of reviews of any kind, illustrations of any kind, and they can't even offer users this particular title. Amazon.com didn't have him either, nor did they have anything by a "Subrabharathimanian" (Amazon.co.uk didn't have him either). Oh, and no one cared to review "Cupraparatimaniyan"'s The Coloured Curtain on eBay, Shopzilla, Rediff (whose tagline is "India's online books and gift store", by the way), and that last hit is just a place that helps people find places to buy books. This PDF of a Sage Publications journal article looks very promising, but I can't access it from my University. I found it on a search of anything that contained "The Coloured Curtain" and also "edu". There were no article citing it on Google Scholar.--Rmky87 19:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There is much evidence that "Prema Nanda Kumar" exists, however. The hit count is sparse because apparently this is not the most common rendering of her name. Prema Nandakumar is, though. She's from India and there are only 142 distinct hits but they're along the lines of this and this. The pages containing "subrabharathimanian" "tamil" (I wanted to see if he was also mentioned on Tamilnation.org like Nandakumar is), on the other hand, go like this:

page 1: Wiki, wiki, bookdealer, bookdealer, clone of older version of our Tirupur article, bookdealer, infuriatingly inaccessible Journal of Commonwealth Literature article, redirect to the homepage of the (apparently) defunct bookdealer K. K. Agencies, bookdealer, and another bookdealer

page 2: clone of Chayathirai article, a piece of unreadable garbage with the word, "blog" in the URL, bookdealer, the German Wikipedia's version of our "List of Tamil writers", a Nationmaster.com article on Vietnam (seriously, WTF?), bookdealer, Italian version of "secure.hospialityclub.org"'s Tirupur page which contains a word-for-word copy of a passage in our old Tirupur article including the typos, a poorly typed message on a message board connected to Rice University (which seems to indicate that Subrabharathimanian wrote in Kannada?), bookdealer, and another clone article;

page 3: bookdealer, clone of our old Tirupur article, deadlink to K. K. Agencies, bookdealer, answers.com clone of Tirupur, customtoolbarbuttons clone of "List of People from Tamil Nadu, Enpsychlopedia article on Tirupur (yes, it's a clone), Enpsychclopedia article on Martin and Lewis (?), Reference.com article on Tirupur (clone), startlearningnow.com clone of our article on American freightways (WTF?);

page 4: bookdealer, clone of Tirupur article, bookdealer, clone of Tirupur, clone of "List of Tamil language writers", clone of "List of Tamil language writers", clone of "List of people from Tamil Nadu", clone of "List of people from Tamil Nadu", and a clone of "Category:Tamil writers";

page 5: clone of "Liste tamilischer Schriftsteller", the actual German Wikipedia' "Liste tamilischer Schriftsteller", another version of the same poorly typed forum post from the Rice University board, answers.com's clone of "List of people from Tamil Nadu", MadDig clone of "List of people from Tamil Nadu", list of books from Japanese website that includes The Coloured Curtain, repeat of previous page (there is a link on both pages to a page on same Japanese website which appears to be selling The Coloured Curtain), two more clones "List of people from Tamil Nadu", and another clone of Tirupur;

page 6: clone of Tirupur and a clone of "Category:Indian writers".

Oh, and by the way, Tamil Nation doesn't seem to have heard of him. And a Google search of just his name turned up only 8 more hits than "subrabharathimanian" and "tamil". And that St. Joseph's College link is a dud; he's only mentioned in links pointing to that page.--Rmky87 00:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and one last thing: India Today may be members only, but it is very Google-searchable if you know what you're doing. And you know what else? There was absolutely no mention of Chayathirai in any of their pages! The same goes for Subrabharathimanian! Isn't that interesting?--Rmky87 01:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, Rmky87 provides more than enough evidence to suggest that this doesn’t deserve a article. Fledgeling 03:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: So if you cannot "find" an article about a vernacular author or book on Google, they become non-notable inspite of winning an Government Award. Amazing !!!  Doctor Bruno  12:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment For notable authors, they can totally be found. By the way, he is also said to have written a book that was translated into English and yet the Google hits for "Pinankilin Mukangal" and the Google hits for "Pinaingkalin Mukankal" all go to Wikipedia and her clones—absolutely no bookdealers! And the the Google hits for "Pinankalinmugangal" are nonexistent. By the way, you have never given us proof that he won a state award of any sort. Let's face it: real award-winning Tamil authors get their names online without Wikipedia's help.--Rmky87 17:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Do you refuse the fact that there is a Govt Award or the fact that this person has won the award.  Doctor Bruno  17:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment You've proven that there is in fact a governmental organiztion in Tamil Nadu that awards the authors of very good novels and translates them into English. Now prove to me that that first thing really did happen to Subrabharathimanian in 1999!--Rmky87 20:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Very Strong Keep-Highly notable author.Translations of his writings appeared in Malayalam Periodicals too.I have read a lot of his writings.  Nileena joseph ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 18:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Then give us the names of these periodicals! Why can no one provide us with concrete evidence that refutes my evidence?--Rmky87 19:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Good Question. His works have been published in Kumudam. Does that answer your question.  Doctor Bruno  03:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]