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Jaqeli
Jaqeli is topic-banned from everything that is related to both Armenia and Georgia. Sandstein 14:26, 6 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Jaqeli
User:Jaqeli has been edit warring in the article Georgian alphabet in 2013 an 2014, reverting the edits of four other editors: Hablabar, Хаченци, Roses&Guns and Zimmarod. It seems he tries to WP:OWN the article by reverting passages he does not like, without explanation, and displays WP:BATTLEGROUND attitude on talk pages and in edit summaries. He was warned several times to no avail.
Discussion concerning JaqeliStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by JaqeliHello dear admins and sorry for late respond. First of I am glad that the Georgian alphabet article got finally your attention indirectly but still and I hope that from now on you'll be watching this article very closely as it gets very often vandalised by the Armenian wikipedians as they are trying 24/7 to push their nationalistic agenda on this very article. I want to go deep into this issue and inform you a bit more about it. All these users that user Hablabar listed are Armenian wikipedians and all of them try to simply push the nationalistic agenda on the Georgian alphabet. This is not a surprise for most Georgians as if anyone who is familiar with the history of Caucasus and this region and the Georgian-Armenian relations he will understand this nationalistic pushings from their side very well. I'd like you to know that the issue concerning the Georgian alphabet is very important for them and that's why majority of the users editing this article are Armenians. Armenian children at schools are brought up with that knowledge that their national hero Mesrop Mashtots created for us an alphabet. For example if you go to the Matenadaran which is their some kind of manuscripts center you will be directly told that it was Mesrop who created the Georgian alphabet and so on. Again this is not a surprise for me at all, but spreading such kind of lies on the international arena is unacceptable. This article for years is being vandalised by various users and this kind of behaviour needs to be ended once and for all. The origin section of the article gets messy all the time and it needs to be on high alert from the wikipedian admins and I do really hope that from now on you will monitor all the edits done by any user. Everything should be done for protection of this article from further disruption. Please see also the article Mesrop Mashtots here. It proudly states:
Another typical nationalistic pushing from our neighbours. It states something which is not an established fact and never was. If you will see the article of Georgian alphabet in Armenian wikipedia you'll meet Mr. Mashtots inpictured there by stating directly who the creator of the Georgian alphabet is. I want you to know that the Georgian alphabet is not the only one thing which is claimed by the Armenian side. To know these kind of things one should know the history of this region deeply to understand. As for the article itself. I want to note that I've improved the article greatly with sources, cleaned the sections, improved the histories of three scripts and none of them ever were disrupted. The only thing which needs to be monitored very closely is the Origins section of the alphabet which gets vandalised in a constant manner. Also the current version which is in the origins section is not mine but was done by the User:Susuman77 who indeed in a balanced and neutral way rewrote the origins section so I am not messing with it around. What I did I just reverted it back to the user Susuman's version which was removed and changed by the Armenian users with their nationalistic needs. Again, I do hope that the admins will closely monitor the article and it will be protected from now on. Thank you. And happy new year to you all. Jaqeli (talk) 18:29, 4 January 2014 (UTC) I was asked again to comment here. Honestly I don't think there is anything I can add as I've said everything. I just want to note that none of my edits ever were of disruptive manner as I am here for contribution for Wikipedia only. I suggested to the user Hablavar to see what the edit-war actually meant because if you see the history of the Georgian alphabet I haven't edit war but just improved the article and reverted 1 edit back to the original state as it was back then before it's neutral and balanced version was changed. I am on Wiki for improvement and contribution of articles and what I've posted above I don't think was in any way offensive for anyone as it is the truth in many ways. Thanks. Jaqeli (talk) 10:01, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by RichwalesAlthough there was a history here of edit-warring involving Jaqeli — over the question of how to deal with two competing claims for the origin of the Georgian alphabet (an Armenian origin supported by most scholars, and an indigenous Georgian origin dismissed by most scholars as being legendary) — the current set of edits by Jaqeli (see this series of edits) doesn't really seem to me to be objectionable along those lines. One valid point Jaqeli has made in his current edits is that, although two sources (Rapp and Haarmann) have been cited to support the claim that the Georgian alphabet was created in the early 5th century AD, the Rapp source says in fact that "all three Caucasian scripts were fashioned ... in the second half of the fourth century or early fifth century". So Jaqeli's changing the paragraph starting with "The scholarly consensus points" to indicate both "4th century AD" (citing Rapp) and "at the latest in the early 5th century" (citing Haarmann) seems to have merit. Whether an earlier failure to make this distinction clear qualifies as "removal of sourced info" (Jaqeli's edit summary for this diff) — or whether Jaqeli was thinking of some other issue, not obvious to me at the moment, when he used this particular edit summary language — may be up for debate. I will also note that a source which was removed by Jaqeli's latest edits — a mention of The Routeldge Handbook of Scripts and Alphabets, saying that "like the Armenian [alphabet], the Georgian is clearly based on a Greek model" — appears relevant to me, and I'm not sure why Jaqeli removed it. Generally speaking, I'm impressed that Jaqeli's latest edits did not upset the existing consensus (see this version just before Jaqeli's latest editing), which stated that the Georgian tradition ascribing the invention of the alphabet to the 3rd-century-BC king Pharnavaz I is rejected by scholarly consensus. Given Jaqeli's past record, I do think he needs to work especially hard on being more careful in explaining his editing and seeking genuine consensus with others working on this and other articles with him. However, this particular set of edits by Jaqeli do not seem to me to justify AE action at this time. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 01:37, 3 January 2014 (UTC) @Yerevantsi: I don't think it's in dispute that much of Jaqeli's past behaviour has been disruptive. However, since the aim of any sanctions should be preventative rather than punitive, I think it's important for us to focus most closely at this time on Jaqeli's current behaviour. If his current behaviour shows the same objectionable, disruptive actions now that have plagued Jaqeli's record in the past, then the old stuff is indeed relevant. However, if Jaqeli's behaviour has in fact improved, we should concentrate primarily on that. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 01:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC) @Hablabar: I didn't say that Jaqeli's behaviour has improved. I said that if Jaqueli's behaviour has improved, we should concentrate primarily on that fact and not on older actions. And my comment about how sanctions are supposed to be preventative and not punitive is accepted on Wikipedia as a general truism (see WP:PUNITIVE). I'm not trying to babysit or coddle Jaqeli; I'm only saying that if we are going to find him in violation of AA2 and sanction him on that basis, we need to do so on the basis of reasonably current misbehaviour on his part — and, in my opinion, Jaqeli's most current work cited in this complaint does not appear to satisfy that standard (though I will acknowledge that others might not agree with me on this). It may be that his earlier activity (even though 3+ weeks old) is sufficient for taking action, but in that case, the case for AE sanctions should be based specifically and explicitly on that earlier activity, and (IMO) not on the most recent set of edits. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 04:35, 3 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by YerevantsiJaqeli has made a number of offensive comments. The one I can recall right now is "No more Armenian fairy tales here", referring to the claim (supported by several non-Armenian academic sources) that Mesrop Mashtots, the inventor of the Armenian alphabet invented or made contribution to the invention of the Georgian alphabet. He went on to call it "the most funny joke in the region" on 22 Sep 2013. On December 5, 2013 he simply removed the Russian and Ukrainian names of Sergei Parajanov, an Armenian filmmaker from Georgia who lived in the Soviet Union, where Russian was the official language and many of his films are in Russian and Ukrainian. With no edit summary, he replaced it with his Georgian name (no objection here, since he has several movies in Georgian and was from Georgia). This is disruptive. --Երևանցի talk 01:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC) @Richwales: My comment is for uninvolved administrators. Let them decide what matters and what doesn't. Thanks. --Երևանցի talk 01:56, 3 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by Hablabar@Richwales. First off, I do not have the impression that User:Richwales fully understands what AA2 imply. Your comment that "Jaqeli's behaviour has in fact improved" and "since the aim of any sanctions should be preventative rather than punitive" are not in line with the logic of AA2 environment in which this article had been placed because of editors like Jaqeli. Please do not babysit someone who has been trying to WP:OWN the text and repeatedly attack other editors. Hablabar (talk) 04:12, 3 January 2014 (UTC) @Callanecc. It is difficult to accept User:Callanecc's proposal. Jaqeli's defense statement is as inappropriate as any statement can possibly get, especially in the AA2 environment. Hablabar (talk) 00:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by DougwellerI wish User:Elockid was around, but he's been away for a while now. He unblocked Jaqeli when Jaqeli accepted the standard offer - his promise to behave is here.[1] Elockid found it necessary to warn him in late November and even suggested a 1RR restriction might be necessary if his behavior continued.[2] I'm disturbed that Jaqeli hasn't responded here, and that his behavior since the unblock has not lived up to his promises. He's skating close to the edge, and sometimes over it, and that isn't acceptable. He's posted a bit to talk pages but I don't see him entering into a full discussion of his edits. I'm dithering between suggesting a 1RR restriction now and postponing a decision, but his lack of participation doesn't really show the attitude that we need in this area so if I have to choose I'd support something like a 1RR restriction. Dougweller (talk) 15:39, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Statement by EatsShootsAndLeavesI just have to say that Jaqeli's statement is extremely offensive... blaming "all the problems" on nationalists from another country is in and of itself negatively nationalist. It goes to show the background and genesis of all his on-Wiki issues. Such blame is neither appropriate nor acceptable on this project. ES&L 21:16, 4 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by SarekOfVulcanAlmost immediately after acknowledging he had seen Sandstein's topic ban imposition, he closed a year-old merge discussion on Romanization of the Georgian alphabet by (sort of) merging the articles in question. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 12:47, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning JaqeliThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Jaqeli has edited since the request, but has not commented here. At first glance, I'm inclined to follow Richwales's assessment, and conclude that a report that contains only one recent diff doesn't seem immediately actionable. That diff is not a model of good editing practice, to be sure (it seems to be a flat revert that reintroduces since-fixed spelling errors such as "archaelogical", and isn't well explained) but on its own it doesn't seem to merit action other than a warning to Jaqeli to make sure to follow good editing practices and avoid edit wars in order to avoid sanctions. But there are indications that Jaqeli's editing is problematic and may require sanctions if it does not improve. The "No more Armenian fairy tales here" comment, for instance, is unacceptable, but it is from September 2013 and as such too stale to sanction now. The discussion at Talk:Georgian alphabet#comparison with Armenian reflects frayed tempers on both sides; please tone it down, everybody, and be mindful of WP:AGF. If there is continued edit-warring on this page, sanctions such as article bans or revert restrictions may need to be considered. Sandstein 22:46, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Here are the userlinks:
Jaqeli has been on Wikipedia since November 2011 and he has an impressive block log. When User:Hablabar filed this complaint, he focused on User:Jaqeli's edits at Georgian alphabet and its talk page. This is not the only problem. There have been wider issues with Jaqeli's Georgian-related edits as you can see per this warning of a possible 1RR issued by User:Elockid in November. (Thanks to User:Dougweller for the information). Jaqeli's response to the warning suggests he doesn't grasp the edit warring policy or know the definition of vandalism, even after two years on WP. A WP:1RR in the domain of AA including Georgian topics would serve to limit Jaqeli's warlike editing in the Georgian area while still letting him make contributions in the area of his knowledge. Jaqeli should also be warned against nationalistic comments on talk and in edit summaries. See also the unblock conditions which Jaqeli accepted last July. Jaqeli has previously edited as User:GeorgianJorjadze, but all his contributions and block log are now under Jaqeli. EdJohnston (talk) 17:29, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
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Matthead
Matthead is blocked for two weeks. Sandstein 16:05, 5 January 2014 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Matthead
"Matthead (talk · contribs) indefinitely topic-banned from Poland and Poles as explained and detailed here"
Numerous previous warnings.
Discussion concerning MattheadStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by MattheadStatement by (username)Result concerning MattheadThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. This is a clear violation of the topic ban I imposed in 2010. Considering the two previous one-week enforcement blocks, I am blocking the user for two weeks and reverting the ban violation. Sandstein 16:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC) |
Sean.hoyland
This is a content dispute and so is not actionable in this forum, please see WP:DR for steps you can take. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Sean.hoyland
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kokhav_Ya%27akov&oldid=589301332
(cur | prev) 15:45, 5 January 2014 Sean.hoyland (talk | contribs) . . (4,948 bytes) (+379) . . (Undid revision 589279990 by 79.182.18.40 (talk) necessary and accurate) (undo) (cur | prev) 12:17, 5 January 2014 79.182.18.40 (talk) . . (4,569 bytes) (-379) . . (Following removed. Unecessary, inaccurate, and offensive to residents. (edit by Kochav Yaakov resident):) (undo) The editor Sean.holyland is perpetuating an irrelevant statement about the subject town. The statement is political propaganda that has nothing to do with the town itself. It is patently offensive to the residents of this town, of which I am one. The international communities alleged opinion of a town is not an encyclopedic fact about the town. The following statement was removed and should not be included with the entry: The international community considers Israeli settlements in the West Bank illegal under international law, but the Israeli government disputes this.
Discussion concerning Sean.holylandStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Sean.holylandStatement by (username)Result concerning Sean.hoylandThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. This is a dispute about article content and as such not actionable. The arbitration process, and by extension the discretionary sanctions system authorized through it, can only address conduct problems. Disagreements about content must be resolved through the normal dispute resolution process (WP:DR). If I am not mistaken, there have already been extensive community discussions about statements such as the one being disputed here. I don't know where to find them, or what the result (if any) was, but you can ask experienced editors in this topic area, of which Sean.hoyland (talk · contribs) is one, about these prior discussions. If no administrator objects, this request can be closed now. Sandstein 19:32, 5 January 2014 (UTC) |
Avaya1
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Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Request concerning Avaya1
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Avaya1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:ARBPIA#General_1RR_restriction
- All articles related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, defined as: any article that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict falls under 1RR. When in doubt, assume it is related.
- Editors who violate this 1RR restriction may be blocked without warning by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offense.
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- First "revert"
- 5 January 2014 "Undid revision 589120329 by Ohconfucius – factual inaccuracies introduced by this editor - e.g. biography is 1989"
- 5 January 2014 "Undid revision 589119168 by Ohconfucius – It certainly doesn't make any sense to use his old name in this section"
- Second "revert"
- 6 January 2014 No edit summary
- 6 January 2014 "Undid revision 589299412 – Once his name change is mentioned once, there is no reason to refer to him by his old name in every sentence - we don't do it on other biographies of people who changed their name"
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- N/A
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning Avaya1
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Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.
Statement by Avaya1
There's no 1RR violation since the two edits on each of the days are reverting the same edit by you, simply doing so in two parts. Perhaps there is something like 20 hours between them instead of 24, but they are on different days.
On the subject of your edits, there is no reason to insert his old name into every sentence - there's no precedent for doing this on any other biographical article here. He is referred to as Sharon in all the sources that are being cited, therefore we will use the name that all the sources give him, and that is commonly used by everyone else (it is basic WP:Verifiability to call him Sharon)Avaya1 (talk) 22:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC).
- 24 hour block seems fine. Topic ban is presumably excessive. If you look at the content of the 1RR violations, they have involved a name change, and (last time round with Ovadia Yosef) formatting issues (neither concerning the content in any article or the fact they are related to Israel, but rather to make the article conform with WP:V). In this case, it was 22 hours between the edits. I had believed I left a day between the edits (hence the statement above), although I will gladly be more careful to leave a full day in future. Avaya1 (talk) 16:14, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- @Sepsis My previous IRR violation (on Ovadia Yosef) was also a matter of style and formatting. Topic banning me (on an article I think I am the main author of), because of a 22 hour IRR violation when editing the names in an article is presumably excessive.
- I had believed that I had left a day between the edits, although I hadn't kept track of time (hence why I state that I didn't notice an IRR violation). But I will definitely be careful to leave a full day (rather than 22 hours) between such edits in the future.
Statement by Sepsis
Avaya1, slow down and use the talk page especially when editing articles around Israel, Palestine. Ohconfucius is only trying to improve the article, if you think his edits were wrong talk with him. That said, I do question whether a revert purely over wikipedia style, whether to use the subject's former or current name in a few sentences, should fall under IP area sanctions which were designed to keep down POV pushers and their ideological edit warring, not stylists. Sepsis II (talk) 03:03, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Result concerning Avaya1
This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
- Ariel Sharon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Avaya1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Ohconfucius has been editing to add Sharon's birth name 'Sheinerman' to some locations in Sharon's article on the grounds that he was known that way at the time. He first did so in this edit:
- Ohconfucius's edit of 10:09, 4 January 2014
For clarity, here are the two reverts by Avaya1 within 24 hours:
1. Avaya1's edit of 22:12, 4 January 2014
- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ariel_Sharon&diff=589200463&oldid=589200051 (removes the name ’Sheinerman’)
2. Avaya1's edit of 19:50, 5 January 2014
- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ariel_Sharon&diff=589332024&oldid=589302364 (removes the name ‘Sheinerman’ again)
Avaya1's block log shows two previous blocks for 1RR violations, so you can see the case for another block. Avaya1 broke 1RR as recently as December 2013 on the Ovadia Yosef article but on that occasion he was excused without a block. We sometimes let these 1RRs pass with only a warning if we have confidence they won't be soon repeated, but I don't feel that confidence here. Avaya1's own statement above denies that he broke the 1RR. If he doesn't grasp the concept of 1RR it is risky for him to be working in ARBPIA. EdJohnston (talk) 02:44, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- I agree with Ed on this one. After being blocked twice for violating 1RR and the warning I gave them in December it seems pretty clear that they don't understand the special restrictions on Palestine and Israeli topics so need to be removed from them. I'll impose a topic ban from ARBIP topics in around 24 hours so others (including Avaya1) can comment. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:43, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Fighting over names have always been a touchy subject. This... isn't great, but on the other hand, I think it's too much to just topic-ban from this violation. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 17:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- It's not just this violation, it's that they continue not to understand (1) what 1RR is, (2) and why it's there. "I will definitely be more careful to leave a full day between edits in the future" tells me that they just don't understand the necessity of discussion. If there is another sanction we could impose that would have the same impact, maybe mandated external review for any non-minor edit on ARBIP topics? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- I agree with Callanecc. After two 1RR blocks and given no sign of understanding what the editor is doing wrong, a 24-hour block is kind of pointless. It hasn't worked before; it's time for something stronger. I can't agree with Penwhale here, as it's not just one violation, and even if naming has always been contentious, that's no reason for leniency. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:06, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Baseball Bugs
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Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Request concerning Baseball Bugs
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- NE Ent 22:26, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Baseball Bugs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manning_naming_dispute#Baseball_Bugs_topic-banned
"Baseball Bugs (talk · contribs) is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to any transgender topic or individual, broadly construed. He is also topic banned from all pages (including biographies) related to leaks of classified information, broadly construed. "
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 4 January Commenting in section Sexual preferences of transgendered people
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- Notified on 15 October by Rschen7754 (talk · contribs) (ac clerk)
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning Baseball Bugs
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Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.
Statement by Baseball Bugs
If I had thought that reasonable question was some sort of violation, I wouldn't have asked it. Shall I delete it and use it to improve my consciousness of this topic ban? I've studiously avoided NSA-related stuff, which was what triggered this topic ban in the first place. I don't have any biases against transgender people. On the contrary, I'm sympathetic. I do have strong opinions about Americans that to me appear to be undermining America - which is why I try to stay away from such topics. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:49, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- @Callanecc: It's not a good excuse, it's just the fact. My focus in this topic ban was on the political side, the NSA stuff. The notion that I am biased against transgenders is just plain false. So the question should have been a red flag to me (as anything NSA-related would be), but somehow it wasn't. It's never been a hot-button issue with me. But it will be, henceforth. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:39, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- How do I go about getting the transgender part of the topic ban rescinded or modified? It was imposed based on a totally false premise. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:49, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Statement by Medeis
It may not be to my advantage commenting here, but having answered the question at hand, I feel I have to comment.
This question of sex change and sexuality was first asked at the Ref Desk a month ago. Personally familiar with the topic, I responded then with a reference then and followed up with a documentary link once I could find it. When the question was asked again ("Sexual preferences of transgendered people"), I linked back to the earlier discussion. Bugs then asked the entirely appropriate question regarding the new thread's title, "Is "preference" really the right word here, or is it "orientation"?" This is entirely benign, and, in fact, helpful in regard to LGTB consensus on the issue. I do not think it in any way violates the spirit of the topic ban, nor that any sanction is called for. μηδείς (talk) 02:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Statement by (username)
Result concerning Baseball Bugs
This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
- Looks like a clear violation of the topic ban to me, however given BB's statement I'd advocate a warning over a block. @Baseball Bugs: I would have thought the section header would have given it away pretty clearly, and I don't think "I forgot" is a good excuse. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- I agree with Callanecc that a warning should be enough here. EdJohnston (talk) 05:43, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Agree this is a violation of the topic ban but that a warning should be enough.
Zad68
14:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)