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I noticed you recently closed the AfC for this article as "merge". At the time of the AfD nomination, the article was in a state that it could've been merged or deleted. However, the AfD nominator's rationale for deletion was flawed. On top of that, I was able to expand the article by about six times its original length using several sources which I cited in the article. All citations were from reputable sources that meet [[WP:SIGCOV]]. I get that there was a second "merge" vote recently in the AfD, but I'm wondering whether anyone read the article before moving to wipe it? Any clarification would be helpful. Thanks! —[[User:CurryTime7-24|CurryTime7-24]] ([[User talk:CurryTime7-24|talk]]) 06:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:Let me have a look at it. [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 18:27, 19 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::Ok, there were 6 citations at the time of deletion but having reviewed the sources myself I think the other commentators were right in their assessment. |
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::1 EMIC article, this is a website with no author on this page and its structured a bit like a press release. Not clear independent, fact checked or reliable source, not counting imo |
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::2 muusikaplant, another website but the article is not about the orchestra in any meaningful way. Its an account of a forthcoming concert and tells us little about the orchestra, this lacks necessary detail imo |
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::3 ajakirimuusika no byline, reads like a press release more about the conductor then the orchestra. Unclear on independence and reliability some wouldn’t count for me |
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::4 klaasikaradio namecheck in an article about an person. This in no way is GNG coverage |
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::5 schott-music - namecheck so inadequate |
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::6 sirp - no byline, no indication this is a reliable source. |
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::so overall, I’m not seeing anything here allowing me to disregard the views of the other editors. Have you looked at [[WP:GNG]] to understand how to evidence a reliable source.? Happy to review if you get more information. [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 19:30, 19 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for the reply! I have to refresh my memory on nos. 2, 3, and 4, but ''Muusikka'' is the leading Estonian classical music magazine, comparable to ''[[Gramophone (magazine)|Gramophone]]'' in English. Their article is not about the conductor, but about the PCO's announcement of a new music director and why it chose Mänd. As for EMIC and ''Sirp'', they are respectively the national musical directory of Estonia and a major arts weekly that goes back to the Soviet period: both are published by the [[Ministry of Culture (Estonia)|Estonian Ministry of Culture]]. All meet [[WP:RELIABLE]] and also meet [[WP:GNG]] (especially "reliable", "sources", and "independent of the subject"). —[[User:CurryTime7-24|CurryTime7-24]] ([[User talk:CurryTime7-24|talk]]) 05:47, 20 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Been thinking about this with the extra context I'm not as comfortable with the close as I was originally. The problem is I can't just set aside the views of the other contributors and if I relist I suspect we won't get much interest in further reviews. |
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::::I suggest you contact the other contributors, point them in the direction of this discussion and ask them if they would be prepared to reconsider their views on the light of the sources you introduced. If they agree that gives me a basis to reclose based on updated views. [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 07:43, 21 October 2023 (UTC) |
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Good Afternoon, Can you please userfy the deleted article for me? |
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== Article delition == |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jorge_Gracie_(2nd_nomination) |
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:Your sources were all impeached in the discussion and literally no other editor supported retention of the article. Please see [[WP:THREE]] and I will review if you provide the three best sources and explain how they meet [[WP:GNG]] [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 19:33, 19 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::Alright. So, here's the three sources: |
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::1. [[Ukrainian Independent Information Agency|Unian]] <ref>{{Cite web |title=Співачка Masha Danilova: Завдяки хейтерам, я заробила грошей. Мій кліп подивилися багато разів |url=https://www.unian.ua/lite/stars/spivachka-masha-danilova-dyakuyuchi-heyteram-ya-zarobila-groshey-miy-klip-podivilisya-bagato-raziv-12330516.html |access-date=2023-10-20 |website=www.unian.ua |language=uk}}</ref> |
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::2. [[TSN.ua|TSN]] <ref>{{Cite web |date=2023-07-15 |title=16-річна онучка секретаря РНБО Олексія Данілова запрем'єрила кліп просто у центрі Києва |url=https://tsn.ua/glamur/16-richna-onuchka-sekretarya-rnbo-oleksiya-danilova-zaperm-yerila-klip-prosto-u-centri-kiyeva-2370868.html |access-date=2023-10-20 |website=ТСН.ua |language=uk}}</ref> |
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::3. [[:uk:Гордон_(інтернет-видання)|Gordon.ua]] <ref>{{Cite web |title=Онучка секретаря РНБО Данілова – 16-річна співачка Маша Данілова зізналася, що багато хто хоче з нею товаришувати через відоме прізвище |url=https://gordonua.com/ukr/bulvar/news/vnuchka-sekretarja-rnbo-danilova-16-richna-spivachka-masha-danilova-ziznalasja-shcho-bagato-hto-hoche-z-neju-druzhiti-cherez-vidome-prizvishche-1659985.html |access-date=2023-10-20 |website=Гордон {{!}} Gordon |language=uk}}</ref> |
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::Although it was hard to choose, because there were other articles in popular Ukrainian media websites. So according to GNG, the sources must be: |
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::* "'''Presumed'''" — well from this three sources I can definitely say, that the person mentioned there should have their own article. It would be a mess if you add all of it to, for example, the page of [[Oleksiy Danilov]]. She already received significant popularity and was present in Ukrainian YouTube Music TOP-100 charts.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Ukraine Youtube Top 100 Songs |url=https://www.top-charts.com/songs/all-genres/ukraine/youtube/2023-W08 |access-date=2023-10-20 |website=www.top-charts.com |language=en}}</ref> |
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::* "'''Significant coverage'''" — the sources' articles are directly about the singer or an event, that is directly linked to the singer. |
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::* "'''Reliable'''" — the three sources mentioned are one of the most read media in Ukraine, and are considered strongly reliable in Ukrainian Wikipedia, and by English standarts these ones should also easily pass. |
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::* "'''Sources'''" — the page has a lot of sources, most of them are secondary (this three I mentioned are secondary as well). Primary ones were only used to support the release dates, used in the Wikipedia article, as YouTube shows the most accurate date of release. |
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::* "'''Independent of the subject'''" — this three sources have no relation either with the show business industry, music industry, or the singer herself. Most of the ones (but not all) mentioned on the page are also not related to the music industry whatsoever. |
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:::The first source is an interview so isn't independent and the others are too short and look very tabloidy, which we wouldn't use for sources. This feels short to me and as I said every other contributor to the discussion felt the article should be deleted. This may be a case of [[WP:TOO SOON]] [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 06:58, 21 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Hm, alright, I guess it might be [[Wikipedia:Too soon|WP:TOO SOON]]. Can you restore it in my playground space (or how's called, I forgot..), so I could update it ocasionally? I have it backed up, but not the updated and fixed version. Thanks! --[[User:Oleh325|Oleh325]] ([[User talk:Oleh325|talk]]) 08:24, 21 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{tpw|c}} This close was an straightforward correct evaluation of consensus. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 21:12, 19 October 2023 (UTC) |
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*Hi Spartaz! I second what Headbomb says. This journal is included in three of the most selective databases around (Scopus, Science Citation Index Expanded, Index Medicus). If this is not a "keep", then >95% of journal articles can be deleted, too. As for NJournals, sure, it's an essai and not a guideline, but it clearly describes why I think this is notable enough for inclusion. Please have another look, IMHO at worst this should have been a "no consensus". Thanks. --[[User:Randykitty|Randykitty]] ([[User talk:Randykitty|talk]]) 13:13, 21 October 2023 (UTC) |
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*:What is the guiding policy you think I should apply? [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 13:24, 21 October 2023 (UTC) |
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Restore for updating[edit]
Heyy! Can you please restore Masha Danilova page in my personal space, so I could continue improving it until it's ready to be published again? Thanks! --Oleh325 (talk) 16:00, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Good Afternoon, Can you please userfy the deleted article for me?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jorge_Gracie_(2nd_nomination)
BlackAmerican (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
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