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cCan you help me understand how the meaning of the sentence changes with the addition of a comma? In any case, I absolutely want to preserve the intended meaning, but must respectfully urge that some kind of change is appropriate, as, without any punctuation, it is simply improper grammatically. |
cCan you help me understand how the meaning of the sentence changes with the addition of a comma? In any case, I absolutely want to preserve the intended meaning, but must respectfully urge that some kind of change is appropriate, as, without any punctuation, it is simply improper grammatically. |
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I imagine we can fairly easily find an alternative construction that conveys the meaning intended without violating a basic rule of grammar. Cheers, and Happy New Year! |
I imagine we can fairly easily find an alternative construction that conveys the meaning intended without violating a basic rule of grammar. Cheers, and Happy New Year! (and, apologies for not explaining my rationale for the change! 🤦♂️) |
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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello PamD,
Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.
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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023
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- Backlog
The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.
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Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!
Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)
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FYI - Lists and bolding of first column
Re your first-column bolding comment at AFD Women in Guam History. The bolding is for screen readers for the visually impaired. Same thing with the bolding of the column headers. I learned about it at Wikipedia:FLC, where the scope (bolding) is almost mandatory to pass table format for the Featured status. If you open it to the edit screen you see the terms scope="col" and scope="row". That's whet it's for - screen readers. — Maile (talk) 12:10, 24 April 2023 (UTCfor
- @Maile66: That's interesting, thanks. Where is the rule to use bold in that way written down? There is no mention of this use of bolding in MOS:BOLD, as far as I can see. Do we have two contradictory sets of guidelines here? PamD 13:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Maile66 For some reason I got the impression that this was a recent addition here ... but it looks as if I didn't reply at the time, so my puzzlement remains. Where is the use of Bold in column row titles mandated? I'm genuinely enquiring, not arguing! PamD 13:17, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023
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Backlog
Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.
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The Blackpool article...
WMUK 2023 Community Meeting
It was good to chat with you and The wub yesterday. For details of the WMUK meeting and its lightning talks, please see the blog and videos which have just been published. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson Thanks: I rummaged around the website yesterday without finding it, but if it didn't go up till today that explains a lot! PamD 17:28, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 13 § Road accidents and incidents
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Hello there, thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia! Wishing you a Very Merry Christmas and here's to a happy and productive 2024! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:27, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you so much, @Dr. Blofeld: let's hope 2024 is a good year for the encyclopedia and all its editors! Yuletide Greetings to you. PamD 19:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
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Sally Wainwright
Hello Pam, and Merry Christmas!
I've just given the lead of the article about Sally Wainwright a bit of a spruce up, and I was wondering if you'd mind checking my efforts. I don't generally edit biographies of living people, but I believe you do as part of the 'Women in Red' project and so I thought it would be sensible to call on your expertise. Don't worry if you can't help for whatever reason. Best wishes, A.D.Hope (talk) 12:02, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- @A.D.Hope It looks fine. I've made a redirect from Sally Anne Wainwright, and added her birthdate in Wainwright (surname) (went there to check that she was listed). Will have another look later ... am editing on phone while listening to Carols from Kings. PamD 15:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- Have tweaked refs: the one you added was already in use, twice uncombined! Have combined to the long ref-name chosen by an earlier editor. (Before spotting the other 2, I had renamed your VE-generated ":0" using the wonderful RefRenamer tool: I strongly dislike VE's naming style.) PamD 16:18, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Stub instructions
The reason I attempted to improve WP:stub is this. I feel that the instructions, which appear to date back to the earliest days of Wikipedia, have not kept up with the times. Abductive (reasoning) 19:01, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Abductive But what you left didn't make sense. Did you miss out "or", perhaps? PamD 20:20, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Season's Greetings to all
Best wishes for Christmas / Yule / New Year to all my fellow-editors. For a little Christmas music I commend a couple of pieces done by Choir of the Earth (and yes, I'm among the singers): Midwinter and Vaughan Williams' Fantasia of Christmas Carols (both YouTube videos with amazing visuals from the technical team). PamD 23:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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2024 appeal
At my previous appeal I was advised to draft my appeal which is at User:Crouch, Swale/Appeal and show it to at least 1 experienced user, as you commented on several of the previous discussions I'm wandering what you think of the draft and if you have any advice, thanks. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:31, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Crouch, Swale I've been out all day, looking at a few things now on phone, will have more of a look on desktop and comment tomorrow. But for now I'd say that the Windermere and Bowness article had a missing comma, a poorly formatted url i infobox, and an unsourced vague date (fixed those), and needs a description of the parish boundary which is quite quirky covering the majority of the eponymous lake and extending up into the mountains including Yoke, as shown in Nomis2011 and on OS mapping. Could also do with some coordinates. Enough for tonight! Cheers. PamD 23:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- I've added a missing ref for the Bowness merger but I'm not sure refs are needed for the formation of Westmorland and Furness, I think the refs in Westmorland and Furness and South Lakeland cover that. Maps would be useful but we currently have few maps for parishes outside the East Riding of Yorkshire and Derbyshire, see List of civil parishes in the East Riding of Yorkshire. The coords seem fine as they are for Langstone House the council's meeting place, what coords were you thinking about adding. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:38, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Crouch, Swale I didn't see that it had coords - not displayed in mobile view, not visible in infobox, not there as a separate template at end of article. It doesn't seem helpful to put them in infobox template and not display them there. Even without a map, a verbal description of the extent of the parish seems appropriate, as it goes so far south and north of the settlements. I think the Nomis2011 data would be an adequate source for such a description, though I know there has been discussion about whether .as can be used as sources. Are those adjoining parishes in order, if so it would be helpful to describe them (eg "X in the north, followed in a clockwise direction by ... " or "X to the north, y and z to the northeast ... ".
- Another busy day, again editing on phone, still not answered your actual request, sorry! Perhaps tomorrow. PamD 18:55, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
- I've added a missing ref for the Bowness merger but I'm not sure refs are needed for the formation of Westmorland and Furness, I think the refs in Westmorland and Furness and South Lakeland cover that. Maps would be useful but we currently have few maps for parishes outside the East Riding of Yorkshire and Derbyshire, see List of civil parishes in the East Riding of Yorkshire. The coords seem fine as they are for Langstone House the council's meeting place, what coords were you thinking about adding. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:38, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
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PamD,
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Manual of Style/Words to Watch
Well, my motivation for adding the comma is purely grammatical. The ‘and’ there separates two independent clauses (‘many do not last’ is an ind clause), which requires punctuation in addition to the conjunction.
im totally open to finding a mutually agreeable solution. I don’t see how the comma changes the meaning of either clause, but I’m plenty open to being persuaded that it does. In any case, Wikipedia’s style guidelines on punctuation require a comma (plausibly a semicolon) to separate the two independent clauses joined by the ‘and’ conjunction.
cCan you help me understand how the meaning of the sentence changes with the addition of a comma? In any case, I absolutely want to preserve the intended meaning, but must respectfully urge that some kind of change is appropriate, as, without any punctuation, it is simply improper grammatically.
I imagine we can fairly easily find an alternative construction that conveys the meaning intended without violating a basic rule of grammar. Cheers, and Happy New Year! (and, apologies for not explaining my rationale for the change! 🤦♂️) Huskerdru (talk) 14:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)