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There is a lot of information here about one bank. They did do a great job of fighting redlining, but is this article the right place for that? futurebird

Uses too many quotes from partisan sources (Center for American Progress, a progressive public policy research and advocacy organization founded by John Podesta)

Also an obviously biased, divisive, and partisan tone driven by identity politics: "Unfortunately, wealth is unevenly distributed on a basis of race, a process then can be traced back to times of slavery, allowing whites to profit off bodies of an enslaved people, who were not allowed to live freely or build any wealth of some sort. Then, shortly after we experience Jim crow, redlining, prison-industrial complex and mass incarceration, environmental racism, law and policy that prohibit people of color from having the same liberties as their white counterparts. History shows an America built off the oppression of a disenfranchised people who have no direct relationship to power and wealth."

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— Assignment last updated by Victor7000433 (talk) 17:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The opening sentence needs work in my opinion.

Current: "Redlining is a discriminatory practice in which services (financial and otherwise) are withheld from potential customers who reside in neighborhoods classified as "hazardous" to investment; these neighborhoods have significant numbers of racial and ethnic minorities, and low-income residents."

Suggested change: "Redlining is a discriminatory practice in which financial services are withheld from potential customers who reside in neighborhoods with significant numbers of racial and ethnic minorities."

Or: "Redlining is a discriminatory practice in which financial services are withheld from neighborhoods with significant numbers of racial and ethnic minorities."

The "low-income residents" part should removed since elsewhere in the article it is stated "investigative reporter Bill Dedman demonstrated how Atlanta banks would often lend in lower-income white neighborhoods but not in middle-income or even upper-income Black neighborhoods."

Any criticism, suggestions or feedback?

- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 15:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe: "Redlining is a discriminatory practice in which services (typically financial services) are withheld from neighborhoods with significant numbers of racial and ethnic minorities." IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 15:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I implemented the following wording: "Redlining is a discriminatory practice in which services (typically financial services) are withheld from neighborhoods that have significant numbers of racial and ethnic minorities." IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 16:27, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be appropriate to add to the opening paragraph something to the effect of: "Redlining has been most prominent in the United States of America, and was mostly directed against Black inner city neighborhoods."?

- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 16:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or: "Redlining has been most prominent in the United States of America, and has mostly affected African-American neighborhoods." IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 20:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added "Redlining has been most prominent in the United States of America, and has mostly been directed against African-Americans." to the lead. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 06:28, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible to somehow link a website that has current redlining maps in the US. There is a website to do this, but is it appropriate to add to this context. Moon straw (talk) 06:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the website/link? IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 06:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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— Assignment last updated by Joyy.c (talk) 17:45, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add to section called “Redlining and Health Inequality” and provide evidence for health outcomes that are correlated with redlining

- Lead in water

- Cancer clusters

- Life expectancy differences (e.g., Piedmont vs downtown Oakland)

Add Environmental Justice Movements under “Strategies to reverse effects of redlining” section

- Movements that are working to address health disparities in historically redlined communities

- Community health initiatives

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— Assignment last updated by Archi.tec24 (talk) 17:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]