Commons:Deletion requests/File:Autofellatio6.jpg: Difference between revisions

The OTRS system has received a ticket, ticket:2016032110006161, from a person experiencing unintended social consequences because he bears a strong resemblance to the person in this photo. Under any other circumstance, this would be irrelevant. However, given the sexual nature of the photo and the apparent similarity between its subject and the person who contacted OTRS, it seems prudent to remove it and replace it with a photo of another person performing this act, perhaps a photo where the identity of the person is less clear. KDS4444 (talk) 07:13, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep It doesn't say that the person making the complaint is the one in the photo - in fact as this is 6 years old the subject probably no longer bears a strong resemblance to his image. The photo is of a fairly nondescript white male. He is not identifiable so a large group of people could be mistaken for him, but replacing the image with one even more generic would only increase the size of that group. The game of "identifying" nude models with your neighbours or workmates is pretty old (it was really popular with "reader's wives" sections of glamour magazines) and it will happen a lot with such heavily exposed images as those on Wikipedia. I accept that it can be a pretext for malicious gossip and sexual harassment and this person may be being genuinely victimized. But most objectors to sexuality images are motivated by puritanism and does looking like a Wikipedia model give you the right to have an image deleted? I don't think this request would be taken remotely seriously (let alone be considered for speedy deletion!!!!!) if it were not a sexuality image. Does anybody here look like these proud gentlemen? These images should be judged by the same criteria as any others. This photo is used on nearly 2 dozen Wikipedias!! --Simonxag (talk) 18:51, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep No reason has been given for deletion. Many of the images on Commons could be used for harassment, or similar, against unrelated parties. In past cases information, the file name or the file history has been changed to avoid identification or false identification issues, a request of this type may be reasonable. However images in such extremely wide use (22 different language Wikipedias) are rarely subject to courtesy deletion, unless there are direct and verifiable copyright or model release issues. After six years on Commons, a Google search shows this image has been used in hundreds of sites, so a Commons deletion would make almost no difference if someone is experiencing "unintended social consequences" that have nothing to do, per se, with the image itself. --Fæ (talk) 19:52, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please, I don't think either of you knows what it is like to have a photo of a person who looks very much like you performing this act and having it be the main photo for that act on Wikipedia. There are ways to illustrate the act that do not involve the characteristics of an even-mistakenly recognized person. In light of the fact that the person contacted OTRS begging the photo be removed because it is making his life miserable, I think that only the responsible thing to do is to remove it. I am not saying that as a prude or as anyone's schoolmarm— believe me, I am far from either. I say it as an OTRS volunteer who has been asked to look into the matter and who can imagine that the person who generated the ticket is being needlessly tortured by an image which can be changed or replaced and made harmless, as well as someone with a background in human sexuality and sexual decision making who has published peer-reviewed articles on sex and who has thought a great deal about sexual representation and perception, and the social repercussions of those things. Christ, it shouldn't be so hard to ask for this kind of sympathy when it is within our power to grant the solution. It seems like this should be a bureaucratic matter altogether and not subject to votes one way or the other when a person's life is being affected. He made the request... He didn't request that there be no image for this sex act, he asked that the image please not be one that looks so like him, which isn't exactly prudery. Can we not grant it? Is there no other image that can be used for this purpose? (Will there always be someone writing to complain that the image looks too much like him and to please take it down? Can we not take a chance and find out by taking this one down? Because I have a strong suspicion the answer will be "No," and I think it is worth it to find out.) KDS4444 (talk) 06:10, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you appear to not know that much about me then. You are coming from the wrong direction in your response to the OTRS request. The person feeling harassed should deal with the cause of their harassment, as this image has nothing to do with them, there is no purpose in deleting it. Commons contains all sorts of images of nudity, war crimes, political cartoons, racism and so forth, which might be used for harassment or that some members of the public feel are inappropriate. The complainant needs to deal with their issue and drawing more attention to this image is not helping them.

No, we should not accept anonymous deletion requests for vague complaints by people who are neither the copyright holder, nor the model, nor present a rationale that this widely used long term photograph could be out of project scope or fails to meet any of our other project policies. As far as I am aware, this is probably the best autofellatio illustrative photograph we have available and is in use in a huge number of Wikipedia articles that serve a valid educational purpose. --Fæ (talk) 09:05, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

•  Keep - I agree with Fae on this one. While I'm sympathetic that someone looks like the model, such circumstances would happen with any model. The problem is not with our photo, it is with this person's friends. I would suggest that if they feel unhappy about it, they explain to their friends why it makes them uncomfortable, and if that doesn't work find better friends. The photo is freely licensed, it is within scope, there's no reason for deletion. People will inevitably look like other people or objects, and that is something that person just has to live with. Or get plastic surgery I guess. -mattbuck (Talk) 15:07, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Info Also: I have posted a notice on the WikiProject Sexology and sexuality talk page to solicit input from some of its members. KDS4444 (talk) 06:33, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Info See also: Commons:Administrators' noticeboard#Deletion request for File:Autofellatio6.jpg --Krd 16:05, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination withdrawn - KDS4444 (talk) 13:30, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: Nomination withdrawn by KDS4444. -mattbuck (Talk) 13:35, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]