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Discussion in 'Barcelona' started by Ozora, Jun 8, 2024.

  1. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    I fail to see the similitaries. Portugal still play a dry football, compare to Spain or Germany. I feel that any decent team would beat them in KO round. Though they have quite easy route to go deep.
     
  2. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Well, Portugal has guys that can hit the back of the net.

    But in any case, I wasn't making a prediction, I was just following up on the above posts talking about the best looking teams so far.
     
  3. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Yup, I'd mind-holed Xavi.I agree he's special.

    OTOH, Gakpo has a bit of pace, but we've been waiting for him to make a statement professionally for years. I think he's more EPL hype than actual substance.

    On balance, this still isn't a special Oranje side. They're a few levels below their typical standard these days, talent-wise, IMO.
     
  4. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    The Netherlands had to give up a lot in midfield with both Frenkie and Koopmeiners missing in action. Frenkie is arguably the best Dutch midfielder while Koopmeiners was arguably Serie A's best midfielder this season. Schouten is a Eredivisie player and Reijnders, while a very talented player, has minimal experience on a grand stage. With that in mind they've both done well though.

    The Dutch defense is solid enough to go deep into the tournament. With Xavi as '10' and not on the wings, the Dutch have enough creativity and attack as well, especially if Koeman benches Depay (terrible in the two opening games) and puts Zirkzee in with Gakpo and Malen. Frimpong is a RB, and a great one at it, not a winger even if Koeman insists on deploying him there, so I'd put him in for Dumfries as well.

    The talent is there to go deep IMO, but Koeman is to the Dutch NT what Southgate is to the English NT.
     
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  5. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Shame about the late German goal. We would have had a couple of potentially mouth-watering R16 and QF matches on our hands had the Swiss held on. Oh well...
     
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  6. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    Scored the tying goal in the most German way possible. With France looking pretty mediocre without Mbappe and Germany also looking beatable it's so hard to name an absolute favorite. Spain are looking pretty good honestly. If they had a better striker (I don't rate Morata) they would be the outright favorites IMO. They have everything. Solid defense and goalkeeper, great midfield, great attack bar Morata.
     
  7. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    I hear what you're saying but still feels a bit early for Spain. These teams with all kids in the attack never seem to go all the way. And am still thinking back to the 2022 WC where they had good defense and midfield but were eliminated because they had no end product.

    But yeah, tough tournament to call. At beginning, I picked Portugal v England final. Haven't seen enough to change that , though not very confident in that prediction
     
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  8. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Spain started with a lost in 2010, followed by 1 goal margin win for next 6 games. They never rely on goalscoring prowess. Same thing with whenever they win tournament, they never put a thrashing performance that would makes everyone point them as fav.

    Team like England on other hand, would score 4-6 goals in one match and still always end up empty handed.

    Group stage means little particularly for the big team, as long they qualify for next round.
     
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  9. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Spain x Germany QF seems a bit too early for that matchup. It's how it goes sometimes.
     
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  10. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    I think that teams can either "peak too early" in a tournament, or get better as the tournament goes along.

    In Qatar, Spain thrashed Costa Rica 7-0, only to later lose to Moroccan Catenaccio in the knockouts. Meanwhile, Argentina lost to Saudi in their first game, before growing over each and every game, to finally win the whole thing.

    Spain were the side that "peaked too early," while Argentina continued to grow and improve.


    If anything, Spain may be again "peaking too early," while France and Germany grow and improve with each match.

    England will once again lose in the knockouts, followed by a tsunami of Brit media lament.
     
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  11. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    England also thrashed Panama 6-1 in 2018 , thrashed Iran 6-2 in 2022, they'd eventually lost to the better sides like Belgium (twice), Croatia and France.

    I still think England best chance was in Euro 2020, they managed to beat Germany (granted its poor Germany but still) , they had home adventage and early goal adventage in final, even Italy missed their penalties first, but off course England still managed to blew it.
     
  12. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Germany may face Italy next round too. France have quite easy route if they finish first.
     
  13. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Full B team for Spain in their final group game, as expected.
     
  14. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Ferran with the goal.

    Does this put him up into the shop window, or is he the starting LW?
     
  15. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Incredible sequence in the Croatia game! Modric misses a penalty but scores from open play about 30 seconds later.
     
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  16. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Epic last min tying goal from Italy. As clutch as it gets in terms of finish. The draw puts them through to the R16.

    Croatia are likely out. Rest in Pain Modric.
     
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  17. ShortyMac

    ShortyMac Member+

    Barcelona
    Apr 10, 2011
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Croatia are out. They only have 2 points.
     
  18. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

    Jul 20, 2006
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  19. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Brazil draw Costa Rica in such a dry game.
     
  20. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Croatia can still advance. Need 4 games to go a certain way though. The tallest ask is England needs to beat Slovenia 3-0 or better.

    Its better for Spain if Croatia don't advance because then Spain would avoid the 3rd-place team from Group D in the next round (which could be a trickier opponent than the other third-place finishers).
     
  21. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I thought we pressed well and created enough scoring chances to win. I don't think the game was dry at all from our side. A bit of better shooting and we would have won. Costa Rica parked the bus big time and in a field with smaller dimensions, it complicates things.
     
  22. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Not to throw shade at Brasil, but I keep waiting for them to find a higher level, but then they don't.

    For example, Colombia curb-stomped and humiliated the USMNT, then Brasil draw vs them. It may be coincidental, but them drawing to T&T has got to be a disappointment. Scoring a total of 1 goal vs that opposition, given the wealth of attacking options has also got to be a disappointment.


    Football is more fun when Brasil are good. Here's hoping they can find that next level.
     
  23. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    I take this back. Holland are a complete mess! Koeman is trying, I guess, as he made a 35th minute sub. Lol. Then again, it's a bit late in the Euros to realize that Xavi should be starting.

    But Spain, or any other first place team, should have no fear facing Holland.
     
  24. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Yes. Yes they are. They're losing to [snicker] Austria 1-2 right now.
     
  25. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Mbappe missing goals he will probably bury when he is at Madrid. Weak ass effort.
     

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