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The group will be renamed to "VRTS-permissions" to reflect the role the group plays.DetailsProjectBranchLines +/-Subject mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessagesmaster+0 -6Remove messages for 'otrs-member' global group Rebase mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessagesmaster+6 -0Add messages for 'vrt-permissions' global groupCustomize query in gerritRelated ObjectsSearch...Task GraphMentionsDuplicatesStatusSubtypeAssignedTask OpenKeeganT280392 Migrate Wikimedia away from OTRS software and branding ResolvedUrbanecmT280615 Rename OTRS member global groupMentioned In T280392: Migrate Wikimedia away from OTRS software and branding Duplicates Merged Here T282267: Rename global group OTRS-member to VRTS-permissions Event TimelineBugreporter created this task.Apr 20 2021, 1:22 AM2021-04-20 01:22:56 (UTC+0)Restricted Application added a subscriber: Aklapper. · View Herald TranscriptApr 20 2021, 1:22 AM2021-04-20 01:22:56 (UTC+0)DannyS712 added a subscriber: DannyS712.Apr 20 2021, 5:47 AM2021-04-20 05:47:42 (UTC+0)Comment Actionsrenaming to "permission checker" would be changing the meaning and scope, and should not be bundled with fixing the actual name - instead of "otrs-member" it should be "vrt-member" or whatever the migration group decidesBugreporter added a comment.Edited · Apr 20 2021, 7:03 AM2021-04-20 07:03:44 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsThis group does not mean any users with OTRS access; it actually means users with access to at least one permission-related queue.Zabe added a subscriber: Zabe.Apr 20 2021, 7:11 AM2021-04-20 07:11:26 (UTC+0)Krenair added a subscriber: Krenair.Apr 22 2021, 11:04 PM2021-04-22 23:04:36 (UTC+0)NoFWDaddress added a subscriber: NoFWDaddress.Apr 29 2021, 10:38 AM2021-04-29 10:38:21 (UTC+0)Comment Actions In T280615#7018529, @Bugreporter wrote: This group does not mean any users with OTRS access; it actually means users with access to at least one permission-related queue. I agree, the old name was confusing as the group was only applied to people having access to permission and photosub' queues. It is good to change this issue while renaming and "Permission checker" fixes this.Zabe merged a task: T282267: Rename global group OTRS-member to VRTS-permissions.May 7 2021, 6:18 PM2021-05-07 18:18:34 (UTC+0)Zabe added subscribers: Keegan, Krd, DC and 19 others.• taavi added a subscriber: • taavi.May 7 2021, 6:22 PM2021-05-07 18:22:40 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsUsual process for renaming global groups is something like this: add messages for new group in WikimediaMessages, wait until they roll out everywhere with the train ask a steward to rename the group remove messages for the old group This time we also have abuse filters to rename, they can likely all be found with the search-filters tool. Not sure what's the best approach to handle that.Keegan added a comment.May 7 2021, 7:36 PM2021-05-07 19:36:13 (UTC+0)Comment Actions@Zabe thanks, I forgot about this already being here. @Majavah thank you for the steps, it's appreciated.Keegan updated the task description. (Show Details)May 7 2021, 7:36 PM2021-05-07 19:36:57 (UTC+0)gerritbot added a comment.May 7 2021, 8:52 PM2021-05-07 20:52:57 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsChange 686759 had a related patch set uploaded (by Zabe; author: Zabe): [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages@master] Add messages for 'vrts-permissions' group https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/686759gerritbot added a project: Patch-For-Review.May 7 2021, 8:52 PM2021-05-07 20:52:57 (UTC+0)Keegan mentioned this in T280392: Migrate Wikimedia away from OTRS software and branding.May 24 2021, 1:57 PM2021-05-24 13:57:28 (UTC+0)Tacsipacsi added a subscriber: Tacsipacsi.May 25 2021, 10:00 AM2021-05-25 10:00:53 (UTC+0)Ruthven added a subscriber: Urbanecm.Jun 2 2021, 8:56 PM2021-06-02 20:56:09 (UTC+0)Comment Actions@Urbanecm volunteered to rename the group (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUsers/otrs-member) to vrts-permissions. @Keegan: when the renaming can take place? Shall we fix it in our next meeting?Urbanecm added a comment.Jun 2 2021, 9:02 PM2021-06-02 21:02:11 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsWhat should be the group label please? @Zabe proposed "VRTS-permissions", but that feels wrong. FTR, I'm asking about the string displayed in Special:CentralAuth. For my account, it is: This string will be sent to Translatewiki.net for translations. I feel "VRTS-permissions" would be hard to translate ("Permission VRT agents" would be much easier). This question doesn't affect the technical group name.Zabe added a comment.Jun 2 2021, 9:04 PM2021-06-02 21:04:40 (UTC+0)Comment Actions In T280615#7130576, @Urbanecm wrote: but that feels wrong. +1. I just copied the group name for now, but also would be more happy with some people related label.Tacsipacsi added a comment.Jun 2 2021, 9:26 PM2021-06-02 21:26:44 (UTC+0)Comment Actions In T280615#7130576, @Urbanecm wrote: This question doesn't affect the technical group name. But that should be changed once, too, shouldn’t it? (Just to make sure.)Krd added a comment.Jun 3 2021, 5:46 AM2021-06-03 05:46:07 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsPlease delay this task to tomorrow, after today's project team meeting.Urbanecm added a comment.Jun 3 2021, 10:39 AM2021-06-03 10:39:38 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsI still need my question answered, and then we need to wait up to 2 weeks for the new messages to propagate (once the patch is merged).Krd added a comment.Jun 3 2021, 7:48 PM2021-06-03 19:48:25 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsThe migration team concluded that "VRT permissions agents" should be the name of the global group, and if possible both the visible (translatewiki) text and also the technical wiki group name should be renamed.Urbanecm added a comment.Jun 3 2021, 9:47 PM2021-06-03 21:47:43 (UTC+0)Comment Actions In T280615#7132719, @Krd wrote: The migration team concluded that "VRT permissions agents" should be the name of the global group, and if possible both the visible (translatewiki) text and also the technical wiki group name should be renamed. Thanks for the info @Krd. @Zabe, could you change your patch please?Urbanecm triaged this task as Low priority.Jun 3 2021, 9:48 PM2021-06-03 21:48:39 (UTC+0)Urbanecm added a project: User-Urbanecm.Zabe added a comment.Jun 3 2021, 10:17 PM2021-06-03 22:17:17 (UTC+0)Comment Actions In T280615#7133034, @Urbanecm wrote: In T280615#7132719, @Krd wrote: The migration team concluded that "VRT permissions agents" should be the name of the global group, and if possible both the visible (translatewiki) text and also the technical wiki group name should be renamed. Thanks for the info @Krd. @Zabe, could you change your patch please? {{done}}Urbanecm added a comment.Jun 4 2021, 3:55 AM2021-06-04 03:55:02 (UTC+0)Comment Actions In T280615#7133109, @Zabe wrote: In T280615#7133034, @Urbanecm wrote: In T280615#7132719, @Krd wrote: The migration team concluded that "VRT permissions agents" should be the name of the global group, and if possible both the visible (translatewiki) text and also the technical wiki group name should be renamed. Thanks for the info @Krd. @Zabe, could you change your patch please? {{done}} Perfect, merged.gerritbot added a comment.Jun 4 2021, 4:10 AM2021-06-04 04:10:59 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsChange 686759 merged by jenkins-bot: [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages@master] Add messages for 'vrt-permissions' global group https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/686759ReleaseTaggerBot added a project: MW-1.37-notes (1.37.0-wmf.9; 2021-06-07).Jun 4 2021, 5:00 AM2021-06-04 05:00:28 (UTC+0)Maintenance_bot removed a project: Patch-For-Review.Jun 4 2021, 5:10 AM2021-06-04 05:10:12 (UTC+0)Zabe added a project: User-Zabe.Jun 4 2021, 11:46 AM2021-06-04 11:46:34 (UTC+0)Urbanecm added a comment.Jun 4 2021, 12:51 PM2021-06-04 12:51:04 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsSo, this is now waiting for wmf.9 to be deployed to the wikis (scheduled to happen on 2021-06-10).Zabe added a comment.Jun 12 2021, 9:34 PM2021-06-12 21:34:39 (UTC+0)Comment Actions@Urbanecm I think we can continue here.Urbanecm closed this task as Resolved.Jun 13 2021, 10:11 AM2021-06-13 10:11:56 (UTC+0)Urbanecm claimed this task.Comment ActionsDoneUrbanecm added a project: User-notice.Edited · Jun 13 2021, 10:37 AM2021-06-13 10:37:18 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsWorth user-notice IMO - the group name is used in abuse filters, and while I tried to inform affected wikis individually, I can never be sure I didn't miss something. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Edit_filter/Requested&diff=prev&oldid=1028335352 for an example message I sent.gerritbot added a comment.Jun 13 2021, 10:53 AM2021-06-13 10:53:54 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsChange 699528 had a related patch set uploaded (by Zabe; author: Zabe): [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages@master] Remove messages for 'otrs-member' global group https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/699528gerritbot added a project: Patch-For-Review.Jun 13 2021, 10:53 AM2021-06-13 10:53:55 (UTC+0)Johan moved this task from To Triage to Announce in next Tech/News on the User-notice board.Jun 16 2021, 2:48 PM2021-06-16 14:48:39 (UTC+0)Johan moved this task from Announce in next Tech/News to In current Tech/News draft on the User-notice board.Jun 17 2021, 11:50 AM2021-06-17 11:50:10 (UTC+0)Johan moved this task from In current Tech/News draft to Already announced/Archive on the User-notice board.Jul 1 2021, 3:40 AM2021-07-01 03:40:16 (UTC+0)Ruthven added a comment.Mar 14 2022, 9:02 AM2022-03-14 09:02:43 (UTC+0)Comment ActionsShall we change the name on Commons as well? See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Grouppage-OTRS-member The idea would be to move the page to MediaWiki:Grouppage-VRT-member and to change the text to "Commons:Global VRT permission", right?Stang added a subscriber: Stang.Mar 15 2022, 6:22 PM2022-03-15 18:22:06 (UTC+0)Comment Actions In T280615#7773149, @Ruthven wrote: Shall we change the name on Commons as well? See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Grouppage-OTRS-member The idea would be to move the page to MediaWiki:Grouppage-VRT-member and to change the text to "Commons:Global VRT permission", right? This is because OTRS-member usergroup was a local usergroup on commonswiki until late 2014. This page (as well as its subpages for translation) could be deleted as they are no longer needed.4nn1l2 removed a subscriber: 4nn1l2.Mar 15 2022, 6:28 PM2022-03-15 18:28:06 (UTC+0)Stang removed a subscriber: Stang.Mar 15 2022, 11:59 PM2022-03-15 23:59:44 (UTC+0)Zabe removed a project: User-Zabe.Apr 13 2022, 1:22 AM2022-04-13 01:22:47 (UTC+0)Ladsgroup edited projects, added User-notice-archive; removed User-notice.Aug 13 2022, 1:54 PM2022-08-13 13:54:57 (UTC+0) · Log In to Comment
This require changing message keys in WikimediaMessages.
The group will be renamed to "VRTS-permissions" to reflect the role the group plays.
renaming to "permission checker" would be changing the meaning and scope, and should not be bundled with fixing the actual name - instead of "otrs-member" it should be "vrt-member" or whatever the migration group decides
This group does not mean any users with OTRS access; it actually means users with access to at least one permission-related queue.
In T280615#7018529, @Bugreporter wrote: This group does not mean any users with OTRS access; it actually means users with access to at least one permission-related queue.
I agree, the old name was confusing as the group was only applied to people having access to permission and photosub' queues. It is good to change this issue while renaming and "Permission checker" fixes this.
Usual process for renaming global groups is something like this:
This time we also have abuse filters to rename, they can likely all be found with the search-filters tool. Not sure what's the best approach to handle that.
@Zabe thanks, I forgot about this already being here.
@Majavah thank you for the steps, it's appreciated.
Change 686759 had a related patch set uploaded (by Zabe; author: Zabe):
[mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages@master] Add messages for 'vrts-permissions' group
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/686759
@Urbanecm volunteered to rename the group (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUsers/otrs-member) to vrts-permissions. @Keegan: when the renaming can take place? Shall we fix it in our next meeting?
What should be the group label please? @Zabe proposed "VRTS-permissions", but that feels wrong.
FTR, I'm asking about the string displayed in Special:CentralAuth. For my account, it is:
This string will be sent to Translatewiki.net for translations. I feel "VRTS-permissions" would be hard to translate ("Permission VRT agents" would be much easier). This question doesn't affect the technical group name.
In T280615#7130576, @Urbanecm wrote: but that feels wrong.
but that feels wrong.
+1. I just copied the group name for now, but also would be more happy with some people related label.
In T280615#7130576, @Urbanecm wrote: This question doesn't affect the technical group name.
This question doesn't affect the technical group name.
But that should be changed once, too, shouldn’t it? (Just to make sure.)
Please delay this task to tomorrow, after today's project team meeting.
I still need my question answered, and then we need to wait up to 2 weeks for the new messages to propagate (once the patch is merged).
The migration team concluded that "VRT permissions agents" should be the name of the global group, and if possible both the visible (translatewiki) text and also the technical wiki group name should be renamed.
In T280615#7132719, @Krd wrote: The migration team concluded that "VRT permissions agents" should be the name of the global group, and if possible both the visible (translatewiki) text and also the technical wiki group name should be renamed.
Thanks for the info @Krd. @Zabe, could you change your patch please?
In T280615#7133034, @Urbanecm wrote: In T280615#7132719, @Krd wrote: The migration team concluded that "VRT permissions agents" should be the name of the global group, and if possible both the visible (translatewiki) text and also the technical wiki group name should be renamed. Thanks for the info @Krd. @Zabe, could you change your patch please?
{{done}}
In T280615#7133109, @Zabe wrote: In T280615#7133034, @Urbanecm wrote: In T280615#7132719, @Krd wrote: The migration team concluded that "VRT permissions agents" should be the name of the global group, and if possible both the visible (translatewiki) text and also the technical wiki group name should be renamed. Thanks for the info @Krd. @Zabe, could you change your patch please? {{done}}
Perfect, merged.
Change 686759 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages@master] Add messages for 'vrt-permissions' global group
So, this is now waiting for wmf.9 to be deployed to the wikis (scheduled to happen on 2021-06-10).
@Urbanecm I think we can continue here.
Done
Worth user-notice IMO - the group name is used in abuse filters, and while I tried to inform affected wikis individually, I can never be sure I didn't miss something.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Edit_filter/Requested&diff=prev&oldid=1028335352 for an example message I sent.
Change 699528 had a related patch set uploaded (by Zabe; author: Zabe):
[mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages@master] Remove messages for 'otrs-member' global group
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/699528
Shall we change the name on Commons as well? See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Grouppage-OTRS-member The idea would be to move the page to MediaWiki:Grouppage-VRT-member and to change the text to "Commons:Global VRT permission", right?
In T280615#7773149, @Ruthven wrote: Shall we change the name on Commons as well? See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Grouppage-OTRS-member The idea would be to move the page to MediaWiki:Grouppage-VRT-member and to change the text to "Commons:Global VRT permission", right?
This is because OTRS-member usergroup was a local usergroup on commonswiki until late 2014. This page (as well as its subpages for translation) could be deleted as they are no longer needed.