is the East Boston Tunnel, completed in 1904 and to this day carries MBTA Blue Line trains 'neath Boston Hahba.

Who else had the cojones to build a tunnel like that in 1904??

Nobody I tells ya, nobody.





(You heard me.)



*the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel is also good

Airstud wrote:

is the East Boston Tunnel, completed in 1904 and to this day carries MBTA Blue Line trains 'neath Boston Hahba.

Who else had the cojones to build a tunnel like that in 1904??

Nobody I tells ya, nobody.





(You heard me.)



*the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel is also good

When you typed ''neath'' I take it that you meant ''underneath''?

When you typed ''hahba'' I take it that you meant ''harbour''?

When you typed ''cojones'' I haven't a clue what you meant by that?

You do realise that that there are many tunnels that were built under the water long before the East Boston Tunnel that was completed in 1904.

The worlds oldest Underground system which is the London Underground has several examples that were built long before 1904 that are built under the River Thames along with several in Paris under the River Seine.

The worlds first tunnel built under a navigable river/harbour was the ''London Tunnel'' that was built between 1825 and 1843 and was originally designed for horse drawn carriages but was never used for this purpose and was opened for pedestrians only, since 2010 it has been used as part of the London Overground Railway network.

The British thanks to the excellent expert in engineering Sir Isambard Kingdom Brunel were pioneers in this area during this period and set the standard for tunnelling throughout the world from then on.

Don't understand your last comment but I'll quote it as if it was mine.

''(You heard me)''

Cunard wrote:

You do realise that that there are many tunnels that were built under the water long before the East Boston Tunnel that was completed in 1904.

I do; however, the East Boston Tunnel is the correct one.

Airstud wrote:

Cunard wrote:

You do realise that that there are many tunnels that were built under the water long before the East Boston Tunnel that was completed in 1904.

I do; however, the East Boston Tunnel is the correct one.

The correct what?

Because the East Boston Tunnel is definitely not the first underwater tunnel ever to be built in the world as it was ''only'' completed in 1904.

You didn't answer my three previous questions though!

Cunard wrote:

Airstud wrote:

I do; however, the East Boston Tunnel is the correct one.

The correct what?

Underwater tunnel!!!!!!!!!

The forum police officer is on a roll again!

The Hamburg St.-Pauli Elbtunnel is way cooler - where else do you have a combined car elevator - underwater tunnel experience?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe_Tunnel_(1911)

The Channel Tunnel.

While it's not the longest underwater tunnel, that s the one in Japan who's name I can't remember, it does have the longest undersea section.

Airstud wrote:

is the East Boston Tunnel, completed in 1904 and to this day carries MBTA Blue Line trains 'neath Boston Hahba.

Who else had the cojones to build a tunnel like that in 1904??

Nobody I tells ya, nobody.





(You heard me.)



*the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel is also good

By the time this opened there were 6 operational tunnels underneath the Thames, some for foot passengers, one for road traffic and at least one railway line.

It took rather larger Cojones as you say, to be the people who climbed into a tunnelling shield and started digging having been told it would work when no one had attempted it, than to be the people who did so 50 years later when it was a well proven technique.

You do need to appreciate that Europe was technologically way ahead of the USA in the 19th Century, your entire documented history looks very bare beside that of the UK, France, Germany etc

Bongodog1964 wrote:

Airstud wrote:

is the East Boston Tunnel, completed in 1904 and to this day carries MBTA Blue Line trains 'neath Boston Hahba.

Who else had the cojones to build a tunnel like that in 1904??

Nobody I tells ya, nobody.





(You heard me.)



*the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel is also good

By the time this opened there were 6 operational tunnels underneath the Thames, some for foot passengers, one for road traffic and at least one railway line.

It took rather larger Cojones as you say, to be the people who climbed into a tunnelling shield and started digging having been told it would work when no one had attempted it, than to be the people who did so 50 years later when it was a well proven technique.

You do need to appreciate that Europe was technologically way ahead of the USA in the 19th Century, your entire documented history looks very bare beside that of the UK, France, Germany etc

Why do people on this thread believe me to be using the word "correct" as a synonym for "first?"

I must have missed something along the way, there are multiple threads start with "the correct xxxxx is....."

Could someone take pity on a doddering old fool and explain what is meant by "correct" when used in this manner?

Why do people on this thread believe me to be using the word "correct" as a synonym for "first?"

Probably because you clearly implied it within the context of your OP

Airstud wrote:

Who else had the cojones to build a tunnel like that in 1904??

Nobody I tells ya, nobody.





(You heard me.)

PS: The East Boston Tunnel is only the correct tunnel for those making use of the Blue line. Any other underwater tunnel would be the correct one for it's users.
The most significant underwater tunnels would be the pioneering efforts under the Thames and Seine, and more recently the Seikan, Channel, and Marmaray Tunnels.

Faroe Islands have a very impressive underwater tunnel network connecting many islands. Very unique.

Also Oslo has a crazy system of underwater tunnels in the city center. Quite amazing.

Airstud wrote:

Bongodog1964 wrote:

Airstud wrote:

is the East Boston Tunnel, completed in 1904 and to this day carries MBTA Blue Line trains 'neath Boston Hahba.

Who else had the cojones to build a tunnel like that in 1904??

Nobody I tells ya, nobody.





(You heard me.)



*the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel is also good

By the time this opened there were 6 operational tunnels underneath the Thames, some for foot passengers, one for road traffic and at least one railway line.

It took rather larger Cojones as you say, to be the people who climbed into a tunnelling shield and started digging having been told it would work when no one had attempted it, than to be the people who did so 50 years later when it was a well proven technique.

You do need to appreciate that Europe was technologically way ahead of the USA in the 19th Century, your entire documented history looks very bare beside that of the UK, France, Germany etc

Why do people on this thread believe me to be using the word "correct" as a synonym for "first?"

Because you plainly said "who wlse had the cojones to build a tunnel like that in 1904 nobody I tells ya, nobody"

Both myself and others pointed out that others had done the same 50 years earlier, I understand that you might not previously have been aware of this, now however you are, but are in a state of total denial of the facts.

Your not Donald Trump by any chance ?

Airstud wrote:

Cunard wrote:

You do realise that that there are many tunnels that were built under the water long before the East Boston Tunnel that was completed in 1904.

I do; however, the East Boston Tunnel is the correct one.

Can you pls explain to me why it's the correct one?

Cunard wrote:

The worlds first tunnel built under a navigable river/harbour was the ''London Tunnel'' that was built between 1825 and 1843 and was originally designed for horse drawn carriages but was never used for this purpose and was opened for pedestrians only, since 2010 it has been used as part of the London Overground Railway network.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severn_Tunnel

1873 to 1886 :: The Severn Tunnel is 4 miles 624 yards (7,008 m) long, of which 2 1⁄4 miles (3.62 km) is under the river.

quite an accomplishment for the time!?

The Chunnel.

All of these tunnels are technically encompassed by soil. I want to see tunnels that are actually in water, and not underground which happens to have water somewhere above it.

trpmb6 wrote:

All of these tunnels are technically encompassed by soil. I want to see tunnels that are actually in water, and not underground which happens to have water somewhere above it.

Today the olde Hamburg Elbtunnel" is just covered by a thin layer of silt.
( During construction workers and the boss Otto Stockhausen were blown out into the river.
all survived.)

Same for the new one. Tunnel segments @46,000t displacement were floated on site and the submerged to the prepared river bottom.

For a real floating / neutral boyancy one you have to wait for Norway starting and finishing their project:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 5810005138

WIederling wrote:

trpmb6 wrote:

All of these tunnels are technically encompassed by soil. I want to see tunnels that are actually in water, and not underground which happens to have water somewhere above it.

Today the olde Hamburg Elbtunnel" is just covered by a thin layer of silt.
( During construction workers and the boss Otto Stockhausen were blown out into the river.
all survived.)

Same for the new one. Tunnel segments @46,000t displacement were floated on site and the submerged to the prepared river bottom.

For a real floating / neutral boyancy one you have to wait for Norway starting and finishing their project:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 5810005138

Excellent! Now that's more like it!

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trpmb6 wrote:

All of these tunnels are technically encompassed by soil. I want to see tunnels that are actually in water, and not underground which happens to have water somewhere above it.

The Detroit-Windsor Tunnel, mentioned in my opening post, meets that criterion.

Bongodog1964 wrote:

Airstud wrote:

Bongodog1964 wrote:

By the time this opened there were 6 operational tunnels underneath the Thames, some for foot passengers, one for road traffic and at least one railway line.

It took rather larger Cojones as you say, to be the people who climbed into a tunnelling shield and started digging having been told it would work when no one had attempted it, than to be the people who did so 50 years later when it was a well proven technique.

You do need to appreciate that Europe was technologically way ahead of the USA in the 19th Century, your entire documented history looks very bare beside that of the UK, France, Germany etc

Why do people on this thread believe me to be using the word "correct" as a synonym for "first?"

Because you plainly said "who wlse had the cojones to build a tunnel like that in 1904 nobody I tells ya, nobody"

Both myself and others pointed out that others had done the same 50 years earlier, I understand that you might not previously have been aware of this, now however you are, but are in a state of total denial of the facts.

Your not Donald Trump by any chance ?

"Denial" of what facts? I was aware of Brunel's sub-Thames tunnels years ago; thank you. I'm sure they are very nice tunnels. My point is a simple one, which is that of all the underwater tunnels in the world - fine, fine tunnels, most of them - the East Boston Tunnel is the correct one.

See, it took cojones to even propose building such a thing because nothing of the sort had ever been done in North America - even the Michigan Central's freight tunnels under the Detroit River hadn't been built yet (see).

Also Brunel's tunnels are English which means they are tea-drinking pantywaists that we could beat up.

Airstud wrote:

Bongodog1964 wrote:

Airstud wrote:

Why do people on this thread believe me to be using the word "correct" as a synonym for "first?"

Because you plainly said "who wlse had the cojones to build a tunnel like that in 1904 nobody I tells ya, nobody"

Both myself and others pointed out that others had done the same 50 years earlier, I understand that you might not previously have been aware of this, now however you are, but are in a state of total denial of the facts.

Your not Donald Trump by any chance ?

"Denial" of what facts? I was aware of Brunel's sub-Thames tunnels years ago; thank you. I'm sure they are very nice tunnels. My point is a simple one, which is that of all the underwater tunnels in the world - fine, fine tunnels, most of them - the East Boston Tunnel is the correct one.

See, it took cojones to even propose building such a thing because nothing of the sort had ever been done in North America - even the Michigan Central's freight tunnels under the Detroit River hadn't been built yet (see).

Also Brunel's tunnels are English which means they are tea-drinking pantywaists that we could beat up.

Your last paragraph is absolutely pathetic which sums you up completely!

Cunard wrote:

Your last paragraph is absolutely pathetic which sums you up completely!

In the habit of taking things that end with " " seriously, are you?

Bongodog1964 wrote:

Airstud wrote:

Bongodog1964 wrote:

By the time this opened there were 6 operational tunnels underneath the Thames, some for foot passengers, one for road traffic and at least one railway line.

It took rather larger Cojones as you say, to be the people who climbed into a tunnelling shield and started digging having been told it would work when no one had attempted it, than to be the people who did so 50 years later when it was a well proven technique.

You do need to appreciate that Europe was technologically way ahead of the USA in the 19th Century, your entire documented history looks very bare beside that of the UK, France, Germany etc

Why do people on this thread believe me to be using the word "correct" as a synonym for "first?"

Because you plainly said "who wlse had the cojones to build a tunnel like that in 1904 nobody I tells ya, nobody"

Both myself and others pointed out that others had done the same 50 years earlier, I understand that you might not previously have been aware of this, now however you are, but are in a state of total denial of the facts.

Your not Donald Trump by any chance ?

Absolutely well put especially your last comment

If the OP had actually typed what he was trying to say in a more balanced way rather than trying to talk ''street'' perhaps we could have taken his half spent question more seriously!

I've been reading these forums on a.net since 1998 and they have seriously declined over the last three to four years and a couple of pilot friends of mine more or less laugh at me when I ever quote this site, even my 17yo nephew who is taking flying lessons with the intention of becoming an airline pilot says he would never in a million years look at the site let alone participate in these forums, to be honest I feel embarrassed whenever I mention it.

The reason why I continue reading them is because after twenty years it's quite difficult to stay away but to be honest I tend to come on here just to read what ridiculous comments are being made and I can't help myself in having to reply.

Some may call me the forum police but then some need to grow up a bit and come across as more mature regardless of their age which by the way is the thing that I miss the most about the previous a.net because at least we could see the members ages.

Airstud wrote:

Cunard wrote:

Your last paragraph is absolutely pathetic which sums you up completely!

In the habit of taking things that end with " " seriously, are you?

Yeah I do tend to have a habit of using the word ''seriously'' because I'm afraid it's the term that is needed to be used in these forums especially with posters like yourself who by the way I don't take ''seriously ''.

Rather than either of us being banned if you want to continue this personal spat could you kindly PM me so that I can be a bit more explicit in my response!

...the Washburn Tunnel in Houston. It helps allow the Port of Houston be the largest port in the US for foreign tonnage.

And because it's Houston of course!

Airstud wrote:

is the East Boston Tunnel, completed in 1904 and to this day carries MBTA Blue Line trains 'neath Boston Hahba.

Who else had the cojones to build a tunnel like that in 1904??

Nobody I tells ya, nobody.

The Brunel Family!.

The correct underwater tunnel is The Thames Tunnel. Connecting East London. The Thames Tunnel, built between 1825 and 1843 was the first underwater tunnel in the world. It spans the Thames between Rotherhithe and Wapping in the East End of London and introduced the UK to the Brunel family.

The Tunnel is still in use today as part of the London Overground network.

The Greenwich foot tunnel goes under the river Thames, from Greenwich to the isle of dogs in east London. Started in 1899 and completed in 1902.

Cunard wrote:

If the OP had actually typed what he was trying to say in a more balanced way rather than trying to talk ''street'' perhaps we could have taken his half spent question more seriously!

Good Lord, which streets do you frequent? The streets around my area tend to be peppered with profanities, not quirky discussion on tunnels.

This is really getting funny how some people here are getting into explosion mode on such a trivial question.

Lighten up! Drive through your favorite (sic!) tunnel and enjoy it! (I can't - my city has no tunnels...)

Where I live we have a few underwater tunnels that it hard to pick the correct one. I must be having tunnel vision

Cunard wrote:

Bongodog1964 wrote:

Airstud wrote:

Why do people on this thread believe me to be using the word "correct" as a synonym for "first?"

Because you plainly said "who wlse had the cojones to build a tunnel like that in 1904 nobody I tells ya, nobody"

Both myself and others pointed out that others had done the same 50 years earlier, I understand that you might not previously have been aware of this, now however you are, but are in a state of total denial of the facts.

Your not Donald Trump by any chance ?

Absolutely well put especially your last comment

If the OP had actually typed what he was trying to say in a more balanced way rather than trying to talk ''street'' perhaps we could have taken his half spent question more seriously!

I've been reading these forums on a.net since 1998 and they have seriously declined over the last three to four years and a couple of pilot friends of mine more or less laugh at me when I ever quote this site, even my 17yo nephew who is taking flying lessons with the intention of becoming an airline pilot says he would never in a million years look at the site let alone participate in these forums, to be honest I feel embarrassed whenever I mention it.

The reason why I continue reading them is because after twenty years it's quite difficult to stay away but to be honest I tend to come on here just to read what ridiculous comments are being made and I can't help myself in having to reply.

Some may call me the forum police but then some need to grow up a bit and come across as more mature regardless of their age which by the way is the thing that I miss the most about the previous a.net because at least we could see the members ages.

So, what is the correct stick to have up your ass?

cledaybuck wrote:

So, what is the correct stick to have up your ass?

A stick of Celery obviously. Flying helmet and egg whisk optional

Because what totally annoys me is when people post with the correct information and the OP and others digress and disregard that information as being incorrect and not accepting it as truth.

My previous lengthy response is because over the last few years this site has turned into an absolute abyss.

I started reading these threads in 1998 and they use to full of intelligent conversation which is severely lacking these days and the regulars from the past who used to contribute regularly are long gone in these forums for obvious reasons.

A.net forums are now full of immature adults acting as immature teenagers or immature teenagers with issues who don't accept true facts but continue with their own agendas.

A.net used to be my first port of call on a daily basis it now ranks as my 10th.

It's not what it used to be hence my comments regarding professionals looking down at this site as a total joke, myself included but I do enjoy rattling others.

Btw I'm a cool dude not a nerdy type, my buddies call me ''cool as a cucumber'' but do they know I come on forums like this on a.net, too right they don't as that wouldn't do much for my image absolutely not, that's my secret I'd be embarrassed to hell if they knew

BartSimpson wrote:

The Hamburg St.-Pauli Elbtunnel is way cooler - where else do you have a combined car elevator - underwater tunnel experience?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe_Tunnel_(1911)

Seconded !!