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Shaikh Abdallah Mazandarani[edit]

I need your help. I'm copy-editing Shaikh Abdallah Mazandarani, here. I made all my copy-edits, then went back to read the article before I saved them. I decided to move his dates to right after his name, but somehow I ended up pasting them right after "Persian" and before the name in Persian letters. When I tried to highlight the dates to move them to after the name in Persian letters, I couldn't. I didn't want to lose all the work I had done by not saving, so I saved them. Then I tried again, but I still can't move the dates. I even tried highlighting all of it, beginning with "Persian", but couldn't. Do I have to undo my edits and re-do all my copy-edits? Can you help?  – Corinne (talk) 02:21, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Looks fine to me, unless I'm missing something (won't be the first time or, alas, the last :-)). Sometimes non-Latin scripts get wonky in edit mode; I've had trouble with Arabic. Good luck and all the best, Miniapolis 02:28, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Forgot to ask—do you use Visual Editor? (I don't.) Miniapolis 02:29, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

No, I don't. I just have WikEd enabled. I tried Visual Editor but didn't like it. Do you mind if I ask the technical expert Redrose64? Redrose64, the double pairs of birth-death years are in the wrong place, but I don't know how to move them to after the Persian letters.  – Corinne (talk) 03:00, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Miniapolis, I forgot to thank you for your reply. (If it looks all right to you, then something is wrong with either my eyes or my computer.)  – Corinne (talk) 03:01, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Without first looking at the edits concerned, I can say that this is a common problem where right-to-left (rtl) text (such as Farsi) is used in a Wikipedia that mostly comprises inherently left-to-right (ltr) text (such as English).

When both displaying and editing, your browser knows how to display most of the text since the actual words are detected as implicitly ltr or implicitly rtl. However non-text characters - these include figures and punctuation - are implicitly directionless, which means that they take on the direction of whatever text that they are closest to - even if that is text that is in a script other than the "normal" script for the page.

For any short piece of text, you can make the direction explicit instead of implicit by the use of one of the following, in increasing order of usefulness:

1. wrapping the Farsi text in <span dir=rtl>...</span> which specifies direction only: <span dir=rtl>عبدالله مازندرانی</span> → عبدالله مازندرانی
2. specifying the language and direction with <span lang=fa dir=rtl>...</span>: <span lang=fa dir=rtl>عبدالله مازندرانی</span> → عبدالله مازندرانی
3. a template like {{lang|fa|rtl=yes|...}}: {{lang|fa|rtl=yes|عبدالله مازندرانی}} → عبدالله مازندرانی‎
4. a template like {{rtl-lang|fa|...}}: {{rtl-lang|fa|عبدالله مازندرانی}} → عبدالله مازندرانی‎

If all the non-English text is marked up like this, any figures and punctuation outside of such markup will inherit the default for the page, which is English and left-to-right.

If VisualEditor is used later on, it will probably screw it up again. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:32, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Redrose64; I never realized that the problem was the reversal in text direction. Corinne, I used to use WikEd until it went bad on me for some reason (which tells you everything there is to say about how technically-adept I am :-)) and now use the standard-issue editor. All the best, Miniapolis 14:32, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Very interesting! Thank you, Redrose64, and Miniapolis.  – Corinne (talk) 15:35, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Redrose64 It looks fine now, but it doesn't explain why I can't cut the years and paste them after the template. I wanted to add "AH" (for Hijri year) after the first pair of dates (separated by a space), and link "AH" to the Hijri year article, but I can't. Can you take all those years out and paste them after the Persian?  – Corinne (talk) 15:43, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Think I may have fixed that; I went to Template:Lang#Right-to-left languages, changed the template and inserted an HTML left-to-right mark (‎) to force the change. Apparently it's a browser thing (mine's Firefox 50.0.2, the latest, on Windows 7), and the original template ({{Rtl-lang}}) should also work with the LTR mark. What a bear. All the best, Miniapolis 16:19, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

It looks great now. Thanks to both of you!  – Corinne (talk) 16:38, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

17th century or seventeenth century?[edit]

As you are copy-editing, when you come across a century written out in full, as in "seventeenth century", do you as a matter of course change it to "17th century", or are there times when the fully written out version is appropriate? If you would leave it "seventeenth century", would you use that throughout the article, or switch to "17th century" after the first instance of "seventeenth century"? If you would leave it as you found it, "seventeenth century", then any other centuries would also have to be written out in full, and it could look a little wordy.  – Corinne (talk) 20:11, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

I checked MOS:CENTURY, and both are okay; however, you're right that "17th century" looks less clunky. I play it by ear, according to the type of article; if it's an isolated occurrence I leave it alone, but if it's repeated (especially if it's mixed in with numerical spellings) I'll change it for economy and consistency. All the best, Miniapolis 20:24, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

A grog for copyediting Coma Berenices and forthcoming holidays, cheers! Brandmeister^talk 16:43, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

It'll taste good in this weather :-). Happy holidays and all the best, Miniapolis 16:46, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays[edit]

Merry Christmas, Miniapolis! Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Wikipedia. And for all the help you've thrown my way over the years. May this Holiday Season bring you nothing but joy, health and prosperity. Onel5969 TT me 23:49, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy Holidays![edit]

	Wishing you a very happy holiday season and a fulfilling 2017. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:07, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

	Merry Christmas Miniapolis!!
	Hi Miniapolis, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, Thanks for all your help on the 'pedia!    –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 20:23, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

"And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,

I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version)

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--Tito Dutta (talk) 03:04, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 22 December 2016[edit]

Merry Christmas to all![edit]

	We wish you a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year 2017!
	Wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas, and a Happy, Glorious, Prosperous New Year! God bless!  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 11:36, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

Hello Miniapolis: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, CAPTAIN RAJU ^(✉) 21:57, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

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Seasons Greetings![edit]

Hello Miniapolis: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, -- Dane ^talk 08:33, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

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Yo Ho Ho[edit]

Doug Weller talk is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

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Merry, merry![edit]

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:56, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Precious anniversary[edit]

Two years ago ...

create drive
... you were recipient no. 1078 of Precious, a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda! Happy New Year and all the best, Miniapolis 15:01, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year Miniapolis![edit]

Happy New Year!

Hello Miniapolis:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, ~~~~

--BabbaQ (talk) 23:57, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Miniapolis![edit]

Happy New Year!

Miniapolis,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
–Davey2010 ^{Merry Xmas / Happy New Year} 13:22, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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Happy New Year[edit]

Happy New Year!

Hello Miniapolis: Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a great New Year! Cheers, CAPTAIN RAJU ^(✉) 21:30, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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Happy New Year![edit]

Happy New Year!

Hi Miniapolis - I hope you had a very merry holiday season. May your new year be happy and prosperous! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 04:19, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Miniapolis![edit]

Happy New Year!

Miniapolis,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Lead coordinator?[edit]

It looks like we both received support, but I would be grateful if you agreed to be the GOCE's lead coordinator for the next six months. What do you say? – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:59, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't blame you :-). Sure, no problem. Enjoy the break, Happy New Year and all the best, Miniapolis 15:28, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:38, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

The Two Gorokhovs (redux)[edit]

Now that "Ivan Vladimirovich Gorokhov" has been deleted, the DAB page "Ivan Gorokhov" is no longer needed. How do I go about moving "Ivan Gorokhov (painter)" back to "Ivan Gorokhov", without losing the edit history? WQUlrich (talk) 19:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

I moved it over the dab page. Since the original move wasn't cut-and-paste, the edit history is preserved. All the best, Miniapolis 21:27, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! WQUlrich (talk) 23:00, 3 January 2017 (UTC)