CP+ 2016: Pentax K-1 past and present

you still have to set the Catch In Focus option in the menus to do this, which can be done with AF lenses too ... great feature and thanks alot for bringing that forward as a very useful reminder! :)

For the second time. There was Jorge Pino, and Jorge Bayonas. But, knowing his persistence, I think he will comeback using different name :)

There's a guy with some serious issues :)

Yeah, his current account was created February 17th, just in time to troll the K-1 release.
His last comment was (after someone offering him a K-1) he'd send it straight over to "Will It Blend?", I think that's where the admin drew the line.
On a different note, I seriously believe the blender would lose this one.

Anyway, glad to be back under grown-ups again ; )

My reply was to the very silly Jorge Bayonas post, which he has since deleted, not yours, Roadrunnerdeluxe.

"Not possible to discuss anything with the blind Pentax people" ... Why then are you spending so much time with us?

P E N T A X

should be very grateful

to

JORGY (Jorge Bayonas) for his provocations

BECAUSE

on his demeaning comments about Pentax, there are dozens of our explanations why Pentax is better choise than NiCan overprised & overpayed photo equipment.

I have a very strong feeling
that here we can see another brilliant marketing approach of RICOH.
I am almost shure that RICOH pays pretty high fee for Jorgys hard work.

Don't you think so?

:o))))

It's not a Canon or Nikon.

Good, Jorge, good. You just stick with that mainstream offering. It seems that's where you belong. It seems you are happy with that. It seems you seem to really like it. Good! Enjoy! Mainstream. Average. Predictable. Not really outstanding. The same old.
People who like to think outside the box will make use of the new Pentax features and use that new angle to produce amazing photos while you troll around forums praising stale technology. I see where your problem is...and I am sure you know, too.

I've been using my Pentax K-3 for three years now, reliably. I get what you are saying but the advantages it offers beat in-lens stabilization, in my opinion, especially the use of legacy glass. But you know what: in the end it's an opinion piece..and experience. I'll let you know how the K-1 fares once i put a couple of thousand shots through it. I know you use a Nikon D600, a great camera. To me the K-1 is the chance to use something similar to the D600 with my Pentax glass with some innovative features, that's all.

What are you talking about? I already spoke with you in another thread about how Dual IS is here now, with Panasonic, Olympus, and Sony already offering it. So when you say now "you can't have both at the same time running" you are knowingly lying and trying to misinform others.

If Canon or Nikon ever stops being so stubborn, they could also offer Dual IS. They're actually in the best position to do so, since so many of their lens (of a necessity) are stabilized.

You are just so hung up on bashing Pentax and defending your own brand that you can't admit the many advantages of IBIS.

@ Jorge
Why do you think every photographer benefits from the best af tracking and flash system? Even your camera kinda sucks when it comes to subject tracking and as i can see - your primary choice of photography subjucts dont need the flash at all... Come to think if it, K-1 would b the perfect camera for you price/performance wise :)

And why you are not?
It is a new competitor which bring a FF machine with a very attractive price. This will push the others to decrease their prices. So if you are not a Pentax user you may benefit at least from the price.
Another thing I have to mention that the k1 is the only ff with RS +SR

Another reason is that Nikon doesn't have any of their primes 85mm or shorter stabilised. And for people (like me) that shoot mostly interiors, landscape and architecture, stabilised primes are a +

Apparently you don't even fully understand the benefits of stabilization when shooting handheld, as you seem to think it is only useful in a telephoto lens. I guess you're not familiar with the concept of shooting at a slow shutter speed?

And you can do your own research about the benefits of Dual IS if you really are interested, but I suspect you're not. I was just addressing your lie about not being able to use IBIS and OS together.

And I don't know why it needs explained to you, but Pentax does not offer Dual IS as there is no Pentax branded lens with OS. So far it has only been offered with first party lenses and bodies, which makes sense. Panasonic, Sony, and now Olympus all offer bodies AND lenses with stabilization systems.

Talking nonsense? You're the one who said "How can photographers even get a decent picture out of a D810 using a Sigma Art and Zeiss Apo Sonnar lens? It seems to be impossible without stabilization if reading all those comments right?"

That's the equivalent of saying "You mean people couldn't stop their cars before ABS? It must have been impossible to stop back then!"

Do you really not understand that stabilization is useful at all focal lengths? I doubt it. You're just being argumentative.

@Jorge: You ask us how people get decent pics with Sigma Art or Zeiss ? And you assume that is because stabilization in body ? Do you have a reference to support your argument, or you just think. It is easy to talk, really just like you, but you blame others.

I remind you this:
"How can photographers even get a decent picture out of a D810 using a Sigma Art and Zeiss Apo Sonnar lens? It seems to be impossible without stabilization if reading all those comments right?"

You said yourself with stabilization is imposible to take such decent pics. Which stabilization you were talking about.

No you start ad hominem argument, blaming people instead of the subject we talk about. Well, it is your problem not to understand the context. You talk here and there, and you feel silly for yourself.

He was being sarcastic, but it was a waste as his point was not a good one. Since he has nothing else to go on, he has to act as though somebody said you can't get a decent pic without stabilization.

It's called a "straw man argument", and it's what you use when you have nothing else to go on.

Just like he's the one claiming that the dual-IS that three major camera makers are promoting is useless, but of course he has no proof for that statement, and won't accept the burden of proof.

It is only logical that lens OS and sensor IS working together would be able to achieve more stabilization than a single system, given that it is only possible to move a lens element or sensor so far in a single direction. The burden of proof would be on you to show that only a single stabilization would be superior, since that position is counter-intuitive. So feel free to present your proof.

The original FF was done in futuristic design (like the MZ-S) and the current K-1 is an industrial design with retro features (67-style hump etc.). Different design languages for different tastes.

NOTE: I was talking DSLR FF (as this is what the K-1 is). Neither A6000, X-T1 nor OM-D fits that description.

SURE: being smaller is not only a benefit. But, for most people in most situations it is. That said, my MX is quite awkward to handle. It needs a grip and to be slightly higher.

The K-5 weights maybe 650g and the K-1 a kilo. For really big lenses, that kilo is better. But generally, I think most want 650g.

OK - so your main role here is to be annoying, it seems.

Pentax SLRs and lenses have been geared for AF since the mid 80's. By that I mean smaller viewfinders, lack of split prism focussing screens, and far shorter focussing throws on lenses to enable quick AF (which makes manual focussing more difficult). Just because you can still mount your 1970's K-mount glass on the K1 doesn't mean that's what it was engineered for. Thankfully! I don't have a shelf of autofocus Pentax lesnes because I'm so keen on manually focussing them. If that's your thing, buy a Leica.

Unlike my D810, my K-5 makes a confirmation 'beep' in manual focus mode. With Nikon you have to keep averting your eye from the scene to the little visual range finder LEDs at the bottom of the display during manual focussing.

The focus point in the Pentax' VF also illuminates red when manual focus is attained, and, so long as this is accurate, I believe this method (combined beep and illumination) to be superior to split prisms.

I was surprised to be reminded that Nikon bodies can't beep when manual focus is achieved. I did know that it can be set to beep on the Pentax dslrs I've used - K10, K7 - mainly because I found it so irritating that I always turn it off!

I also know - for me, this is a very individual thing - that manual focus on my Nikon FF bodies (700, Df) has always been easier than mf on any APS-C body from either Nikon or Pentax. On the other hand, I've never found mf on the single Cannon I've tried - 5D - to be at all easy.

The ease of MF on Pentax FF is the thing I'm most interested in (I do have a lot of old lenses). I'm not up for a K1 - size/weight only, it does look to be a very fine camera. I'm awaiting the next Pentax FF body with real interest - if it can match say the Df for size and weight, I'll probably get one. I just hope it isn't another 15 years!

I'm always trying to find innovative angles to my photos, and the fixed LCD on my cameras limits that ability. A multihinge screen like the K1 will allow me to be more creative with my photography. Anything that allows me to be not crerivr and have moe creative opportunities is useful and has lots of utility in my opinion.

@photomedium - apparently, there are some people who still think that the only way to take a photo is from eye level.

I like articulating LCDs, and I like them even better if they can stay in line with the viewfinder (I don't like the kind of LCDs that swing out to the side). The K-1's articulation is a great solution.

Hi, thanks for your reply. Yep even from the glimpse in the video it looked eye catching, and I wondered if the true colour mode was used.

This use of the sensor shift tech has more potential and use than simply upping the resolution alternatives. Even the fact it takes 4 shots rather than 8 broadens when it can be used.

For me there is a sliding scale of usefulness:
Still life & landscapes
Posed model studio tripod work
Handheld model work
And beyond

If the shutter speeds are fast enough for studio/tripod people stuff than that would be cool. Handheld would the icing.

Looking forward to your review :-)

Cheers
Al

Unless they're absolutely necessary, not a huge fan of tripods myself - seems we're on the same page. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/attachments/190-pentax-k-1/300066d1456341993-whats-pixel-shift-motion-correction-function-img_0274.png

an interesting article made by a japanese magazine...it seems even with lot of motion the image come ou much better than with no pixel shift. even handheld seem to be very usable...even for portraiture...just ask your subject to stay still for more...seem s like even SR can be used together with pixel shft

Beyond still life applications, creative use of pixel shift seems promising. I used to use an app on my phone which allows me to creative a very high resolution photo from an HD video of a scene. Static objects are rendered very sharp, and moving objects with a unique ghosting, somewhat but not quite equivalent to long shutter speeds using traditional cameras. Earth rise, I'm a big fan of your work, and I think you'll be particularly apt to take advantage of unorthodox yet creative uses of pixel shift.

Yes, plenty of dogs that make snapping remarks. .....

There is no such thing - everyone wants the K-1, though some might not admit it ;-)

Also a missing "I hate it. Don't show it to me again".

I don't want it. Really. But I like and respect it for what it is... ;)

vscd: why, are you going to buy the 645z from your wishlist? ;-)

gunkan: unfortunately, there's still much to be done lens wise. Things are not that bad, there are about 15 lenses officially supported, plus some compatible (with restrictions) DAs, plus third parties, plus old ones (some might work reasonably well).

To answer your question, from current lenses only:
- 14mm, I'm only aware of a manual focus Samyang
- 24mm, Sigma has something relatively close to that - a 28mm f/1.8.
- 50mm, there are several options here: the old FA 50mm f/1.4, the DA* 55mm f/1.4, the D FA 50mm macro, Sigma has something as well...
- 200mm - the DA* 200mm f/2.8 is officially supported as full frame compatible.

Next batch of primes is expected in "2017 or later"; there will be 4 or them: a wide angle, a large aperture standard lens, a large aperture medium telephoto and a large aperture ultra-wide angle lens.

The Contax N Digital used the same sensor and had a very bad reception. It was withdrawn after one year only and soon after the brand Contax died.

It seems that not pulling through with the MZ-D proved to be a very good decision.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/multi_page3e5f.html?cid=7-6463-7191

No, it's really that cool (looking).