CP+ 2016: Canon shows off new EOS-1D X Mark II, EOS 80D and G7 X Mark II

Published Feb 26, 2016 | Barney Britton

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CP+ 2016: Canon shows off new DSLRs and G7 X Mark II

As usual at the CP+ show in Yokohama, one of the longest lines can be found Canon's booth. This year, Canon's EOS 80D and EOS-1D X Mark II were in huge demand from both press and public attendees alike, and we fought our way through the crowd to get hands on with both new models - and the surprisingly nice PowerShot G7 X Mark II.

Tags: canon, canon-1dxii-launch, canon-feb17-launch, cp-plus-2016, hands-on

Gear in this story


Canon EOS 80D	Canon PowerShot G7 X Mark II
12 I own it 106 I want it 16 I had it Discuss in the forums	2 I own it 42 I want it 8 I had it Discuss in the forums

Canon EOS-1D X Mark II
9 I own it 174 I want it 24 I had it Discuss in the forums

Body, Base	Pre-order now	From $5,999.00	Shop now
Premium Kit, Base	Pre-order now	From $5,999.00	Shop now

Body Only, Base	Pre-order now	From $1,199.00	Shop now
18-135mm, Base	Pre-order now	From $1,799.00	Shop now
18-55mm, Base	Pre-order now	From $1,349.00	Shop now

	Canon EOS 80D Digital SLR Camera Body	$1199.00
	Canon EOS 80D Digital SLR Kit with EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 Image Stabilization STM Lens	$1349.00
	Canon EOS 80D EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 Image Stabilization USM Kit	$1799.00

Comments

Total comments: 185

Where's 5D mark IV?

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Ok so Canon shows off new DSLRs and G7 X Mark II. Do they not show off the Canon PowerShot G5 X ? Surprising me it's number 3 on the "Popular compact cameras" list here on DPReview.

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I know the DLs just came out, but when are we going to see a shootout between the DL24-85, RX100v4, and G7X? You could include the DL18-50 by comparing it to the DL24-85 in relation to the DL24-85.

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G7x2 goes on sale in may, and DL24-85 in june. I do not expect to see review based on production unit soon.

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At just 20MP, I'd like a 1D low light monster version, that can compete with the A7S for sensitivity but beats it for AF, rolling shutter and avoids banding issues.

It may be heavier than the Sony, but the lenses are shorter and I think Canon's weather sealing is just better.

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that new 1ds sure looks like fine, no bs camera. kind of miss that lately..

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Might be tempted by the G7X MkII if it has a 3 stop ND filter instead of just on or off. Will be interesting to see how this compares with the Nikon DL 18-50 in terms of IQ.

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So G7 X Mark II is competing head on with DL24-85, ZS100 and the like. I wonder which is better in terms of IQ and user experience. Perhaps DPR could illuminate us a bit. What do you say.

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I'm still amazed that so many people are willing to buy cameras without EVFs - waving them around at arms' length. If there is a similarly upgraded G5X soon, that could be interesting. The new G7X is cute, certainly, but ...

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In addition to using cameras without viewfinders, we now also have wireless telephones, steel horse-less carriages, and big metal birds in the sky!

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When you get over age of 42 you do not need viewfinder anymore.

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That is me I am 46...

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I'm still amazed on how blindly so many people insist on using an EVF. You say "waving them around at arms' length" like it's a disadvantage. It's objectively a huge advantage compared to having a camera glued to your eye.

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I prefer a view finder EVF or OVF. I hope camera makers keep making models like G7 and G5. Choice is good :)

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Not sure about everyone else but I have a G7X and shoot on a tripod (Manfrotto Compact Light) and I have no trouble getting exposure spot on using the LCD screen. I can tilt it up and touch to focus. If the sunlight is particularly bright I simply cover the screen with my hands. No problems.

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Viewfinder only on bigger bodies for me please!
It is hugely inconvenient (and ridiculous too) to peak through a tobacco-box size camera sticked to face. Even worse if it's pop-out viewfinder. Fiddly and fragile. In the end it is more trouble and 1000 worries then actual help. No,thanx.

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srados - when you're over 42 you HAVE to use an EVF because you can't see the damn LCD without putting on reading glasses (or taking glasses off if you're shortsighted). OK it might be 45 :)

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chj - you obviously don't care about avoiding camera shake.

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chj---really?? People bang on about precise focus/shadows etc etc, at arms length,I don't think so. 18inches in front of your face,not held still , reasonable sunlight-I call it quesswork.

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Is it just my eyes that I am seeing 80D with gold in 80 characters ?
Back in the days of 1Ds with gold characters

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Your monitor is really bad.

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Are you kidding ?
Dude, take a look again, the 80 really in gold !!!

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Is that the only thing left to argue about in canon cameras?

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Ι don't like Canon' approach in many issues, but the ltwo etters 1D is something we all have to respect because the first 1D (of 11Mp and $11,000) was the first dSLR outperformed film cameras as to IQ in every aspect... And boosted brand's image and acceptance sky high till our days...

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My wife and I satisfy our G.A.S. by renting most of the pro gear we covet for specific trips and events, so I know we will get around to using the 1DX-mk2 eventually. However, we do buy prosumer / enthusiast gear from time to time, and Canon's 80D kit, including all of its accessaries, have made it onto our shopping list for December 2016.

We already own and love our 70D, but the 80D's improved OVF, AF, live view, and video performance are simply too good to pass up. The remote controlled power zoom feature will be a valuable tool as well, and that's something we would never have thought to ask for, yet there it is. Thank you Canon! :))

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I used to take Gas-X for that, but many years since I changed diet and that's not a problem anymore. ;-)

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December is always a good time to buy gear, I frequently see Canon giving their printers away as a bundle with their DSLRs.

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It must have looked pretty funny with you throwing your elboes and no one else around :)

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So, does the G7x2 flash bounce ?

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I still have to learn basic photography. So, like, you know.

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I just find so funny how Canon simply slapped Nikon in the face.

The G7x II is smaller, has a longer focal range and maintains a larger aperture through it compared to the DL24-85. Back to the drawing board Nikon.

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LOL. Now that's funny.

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"I just find so funny how Canon simply slapped Nikon in the face. "

As a canon user that previously owned the G7 X, you have that reversed.

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Don't be too quick to react, that lens does look cheaper than the Nikon equivalent. The final verdict will soon come out.

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"The [Nikon DL] camera's Hybrid AF system sports 105 phase-detect and 171 contrast-detect points which, in combination with its Expeed 6A processor, allows the camera to shoot at 20 fps with continuous autofocus (it can go even faster - 60 fps - with single AF)." -DPR

Since it's based on Nikon 1, the Nikon DLs will probably have best-in-class autofocus speed.

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DxO will say the Nikons are rated 88 and the Canon 79 but the picture quality, especially from a sensor this size, will be about the same. Silver awards all around or maybe gold for the 18mm.

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Does the G7XII do more than 1fps in raw?

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Of course it does.

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I'm confident that the lens on nikons dl24-85 will be optically superior in every way.

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The leica lens on the LX100, with the bigger sensor will still outperform the canon and nikon.

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It's funny how some can proclaim the optical superiority of a product based on nothing but thin air.

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Same 1" sensor...polish it real hard if you like.

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You can say Leica lens all you want, but it sure isn't a Summilux or even a Summicron. Nikon knows how design a good lens, and at these price points there is no reason o think the DL lenses are inferior to the Panaleica lens on the LX.

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And Canon doesn't know how to design lenses?

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LOL!!!....polish harder, the shine may appear soon.

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Where are the tests showing how much better the LX100 does compared to these newly released DLs?

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Like i said..a 1" sensor is a 1" sensor, thats it. You ain't gonna get anything more. They can add all the bells and whistles and coat it in gold, image comes first, and i'll say it again...a 1" sensor is a 1" sensor..as big as your little pinky nail......Oh Yeah, lets wait for the big one when it's announced on DPR that a wedding photographer has sold his FF gear for the 1" sensor system....lol.
The LX100-LEICA 109 will out resolve any image these Nikons throw out.

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And for that you get a larger camera with slower AF, no tilting screen, worse macro, and worse tracking. Maybe when the LX100 gets Panasonic's DFD it will have AF closer to the DL's, but so far Panasonic is keeping that for the larger new bodies.

http://j.mp/1Ll7f0h

People buy a 1" sensor compact because it is smaller. That's the point of this batch of cameras, they are smaller than the next sensor size up compacts. No one buying it thinks it will out resolve a larger sensored camera, yet you keep mentioning that like it will somehow make the LX100 smaller.

There is no m4/3 camera that can match the focal range of the DL18-50 and be anywhere close to the same size.

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Apropos size:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#664,569,661,ha,t

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I just don't understand all the people who post simply to bash this brand or that brand. If you're truly happy with your Sony, Nikon, Fuji, etc., what do you care what Canon does or does not do to make you happy? You are obviously not their intended audience or buyer. I can only assume people bash for one of these reasons: 1. You're looking for an audience to join you in your crazy behavior (misery loves company); 2. You're looking for a reason to jump ship and leave your brand because of some unhappiness; or 3. You're jealous of the loyalty of Canon users and just can't fathom why they won't leave Canon and buy one of the "obviously superior" cameras made by their competitors.

Meanwhile, you have no basis for ripping any of these new cameras, as none have been tested. I suggest devoting that time you use now for irrational behavior and nonsensical posts to work on your photography skills. We would all be better off! Personally, I think complaining for the sake of complaining is better left to 8 year olds.

Good luck in life haters. Remember, nobody likes a whiner.

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sounds like you have an axe of your own to grind too...

and... "Loyalty" to a corporation? Give me a break.

That's akin to being loyal to the mafia who's been blackmailing you, or a rabid dog that bit you.

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"I just don't understand"

That's the problem. And the Canon's big advantage.

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I can only speak for myself but to me the reason is simple: I spent a lot of money buying cameras and lenses to build up a system, a few years later I see other people taking advantage of their lighter camera bodies, greater dynamic range, better autofocus, 4k videos, 120fps slow motion, and I'm still playing around with my 1080p@30fps. And the company which I've paid a lot of money to doesn't even have the option for me to upgrade.

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Sorry nanny mcPhee, freedom of speech made me do it.

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@tigerw,
This is one of the reasons why the Sony A7R2 has been such a contender. EF lenses can be used with great success on the A7R2 with a Metabones IV adapter.

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Yeah that Metabones adapter which costs $715 where I live, made the A7RII a no go, on top of the $4K price, not including several batteries.

Any way great post PhotoPhoolish, it seems misery and trolls love the same company and is what has ruined dpreview as a forum and why I mostly post on other sites.

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@thx1138: yes, this has ruined dpreview as a forum but there is something else as well. There were situations when the referee influenced the game. In a bad way.

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Let's not talk about the referees performance in the game, no good can come of it.

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@thx1138 don't get so down over the simple fact, that people get to post their opinions right or wrong. Calling them trolls (true or not) no good can come of that either.

What was that old saying: "I despise what you're saying, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it" (I know I butchered it somewhat)

People have hassled me here, cause I posted a helpful answer to a necro thread a google search had dropped me on... That's just the internet... people on edge, ready to tilt over any moment. Just pour yourself another cup of coffee and tell them off, but don't ever let it spoil your Saturday :)

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The information on site 6 is wrong! The resolution of the "old 1Dx is 18MP! The mark II has 14 fps and 16 fps in live view... (The old one has 12 fps!)

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Thanks for the catch. Fixed!

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The 1DX has 12fps in RAW and 14fps in jpg mode.

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"The EOS-1D X Mark II's battery should be good for more than 1200 images in normal use - a major differentiator of professional DSLRs compared to lower-end models..."

Lower-end models like Nikon D750 with 1230 images per charge?

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My 1Ds mk III got to 1'800 photos at an airshow.. Didn't have to switch batteries once.

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The 1DX battery lasts a lot longer than the Canon claims, although nowhere near as long as in the 1DIII, which was so good, you could shoot for days before seeing the battery level drop.

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I can remember when using my 1D mark IV can reach around 2000-3000 jpeg
A brand new battery can do that
After 3 years I see a noticeable different
But the price of new LP-E4N is way much expensive compare to LP-E4 that time

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@Niko Tod: 1Ds III - 1900, and keep going. And don't even try Canon vs Nikon, I own both systems, and the differences are more subtle than you can imagine. Great brands, both!

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Canon and Nikon have nice compacts, but none comes close to the LX100/D-Lux 109 in terms of controls and ergonomics. These look like expensive toys, the Panny/Leica like a good compact.

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what does the LX100 have for manual controls that the DL doesn't?
Does it have focus bracketing? Will it auto stack shots for clean hi iso> Touchscreen? Will it AF better? Bluetooth? It will have a better EVF, but considering everything else, the DL matches or exceeds.
The use of the word toy is unfortunate.

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No camera is a "toy" in itself. It's how you use it, and the quality of the pictures you take, that determines if it's a serious camera or just a toy.

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I agree that I prefer the LX100's manual controls, but these do not look like toys. They look like pretty premium compact cameras.

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I enjoy my lx100. Its one of my favorite travel cameras but I can understand that for others it can still be too bulky for others. These new Nikons like the rx100 fill that need perfectly

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It will be interesting to see how the performance of the Canon G7 X Mark II compares to the new Nikon DL line. (The latter should have an autofocus advantage.)

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I would think so and maybe if it is as good as they say, worth a look. Too bad it doesn't have an integrated EVF like the RX100III/IV, but as long as it has a EVF option it's acceptable, but if not no thanks.

I assume the RX100V will get a version of the A6300 AF system, but I also expect a $1200 price tag, so the Canon and Nikon will have massive price advantages.

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6D? 5DIV? Crickets...

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In an amazing year so far for camera releases - don't forget Photokina is coming in September.... No announcements then will be very disappointing...

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For god sake, Canon will not announce a major new DSLR until the 1DXII is shipping so as not to distract from it, and 5DX (yes they are dropping the 4) will probably be announced in May or June and 6DII probably in August September for Photokina. If we are talking crickets why aren't you wondering where the D900 or D620 or D7300 or D5600 cameras are.

Canon will never announce 4 DSLR's at once.

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Canon's line is long in the tooth and the 5DS isn't selling well. One has to wonder if they're not in trouble...

The past three years have been ho hum for Canon and their CEO said they haven't learned anything from Nikon or Sony. If they don't step it up soon, the bleeding won't stop.

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best selling brand of camera in Japan, the only market they care about?

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What do the sell there now? Compacts?

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more then nikon! or sony, so maybe they need to catch up?

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Ah, so they're selling a lot of compacts...

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Dlsrs actuality

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So people are more interested in a brand name than getting the latest and best you can buy. Ho hum - EOS 80d. Seriously?

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only you mate, only you, if you want the best battery life, you wont be going mirrorless lol, and nikon and canon have the best section of lenss available, so for the best glass , get canon/nikon

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I'm losing you. I was talking about Canon. Why are you bringing mirrorless into this? And why would you say canon and nikon have the best glass? Sony is making lenses that put nikon and canon to shame.

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Canon still the best.

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No Nikon the best LOL

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zigi_S
I get the sense that if this article was about breast enlargement you would have made the same comment.

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Sure: Canon is the breasts!

;-)

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No Honda is best!

Err... I mean Chevy!

Umm... forget I said anything...

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No Trump is the best!

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"No Trump" is the best?

Hmm, that is an interesting concept.

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Samsung is the best!!

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No love for the smelly Kardashians?

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Bieber disagrees.

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One of these years, Canon will put Dual Pixel CMOS AF into an M. (I'm not holding my breath.)

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Canon and Nikon need to take a long look at the new Sigma mirrorless bodies and see how they *somehow* managed to build them and not change their mount. You don't need a new mount and you don't need to abandon your lens catalog to go mirrorless.

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So you think there is an advantage to creating an ILC that has a two inch long protruding lens mount in place of the mirror box...to keep size down...or....I'm so confused.
They somehow kept the same mount by keeping the distance between mount and sensor exactly the same. So you've created an ILC with no size savings, which seems to be what all these ILC people love about their cameras. Canon has already made an ILC: every one of their cameras with Liveview. When the 80D flips its mirror up and you see your image on the rear LCD, you're using an ILC insofar as the mirror is taken out of the equation. That's great now that DP PDAF makes Liveview much more response, but you also get the added feature of using an OVF with a very fast conventional PDAF sensor if you want.
With DP PDAF perhaps what Canon wants to do is make their DSLRs merge with the ILC desires, minus size considerations and all that. So they'll have a small M and big DSLR that will keep everyone happy.

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Losing the mirror box, allowing focusing directly on the sensor, a smaller lighter body, yes, those are all disadvantages. OK, sarcasm aside, you say that live view focusing is more useful on Canon's newer bodies, and no argument there. But if it's so good, why not lose the mirror entirely? Granted, they're not there yet, but should be moving in that direction.

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Because if you lose the mirror you have to make a goofy looking body in order to accommodate an EF or EF-S lens. The mount-to-sensor distance would still have to be exactly the same. And with the mirror you get an OVF, which professionals and advanced amateurs LOVE, rightly so. And the mirror and shutter mechanisms are established tech, so it doesn't require a whole lot of capital investment to get them made, even if there are design tweaks here and there.
Also, Canon did lose the mirror in the M. The M3 is actually usable, no less. Without a ton of M lenses there no real motivation to throw their full weight behind the M, so it's a process. Also, if they make a sudden change to ILC, they legitimize the market in the eyes of the market. There's a reason why Nikon created a 1" sensor ILC rather than an APS-C or FF: they already have an extremely well-established and profitable market. Despite gearheads beating the ILC drum, DSLRs far outstrip ILC sales.

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I understand the sales numbers, and the need for an exact flange to sensor distance, and neither of those mean anything to me. But unless Nikon and Canon take a similar path, they can't really introduce a mirrorless design without abandoning their amazing lens inventories. As far as viewfinders, well, the EVFs have come a very long way. Even the EVF in my GX8 is damned good. EVFs can also provide a ton of customizable information an OVF can't. Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-DSLR or OVF; I also shoot a D810. But the future will be mirrorless, and the sooner Canon and Nikon get serious about it the better for them.

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"The future will be mirrorless" reminds me of " Dippin' Dots: Ice Cream of the Future." The "future" isn't really a hard target to hit. So far the camera to end all cameras has had years and years and years of flat sales no matter the innovation. Technology isn't the only factor. Market saturation, market maturity, ergonomics, etc. all have to be there. It's very possible the ILC of the future will have to be just as big as a DSLR simply for the sake of comfort.

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Don't worry and all new M is coming this year and will be a vast improvement over the boring and pedestrian current M3.

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I used to be a Canon user for decades but switched to the Nikon D750 last year. I don't regret it, but I will say that no other manufacturer makes their camera bodies look as good as Canon. The shape of the high-end DSLRs is so distinctive, smooth and well designed. They are very ergonomic (unlike the Nikons before the D750 which were a literal pain to hold) and just look good - no mistaking Canon styling. The 1DX just screams out pro camera and looks awesome.

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When I saw the new Pentax K-1 only offers 1080p@30fps and the new Sigma sd Quattro does not even have video capability, I felt Canon was doing well. But when I saw the new Sony A6300, I put my Canon gears on sale. Being a Canon user for 10+ years, it's time to let them go. That said, I still love Canon lenses and I've decided to keep them for a while. There are people out there who like the Canon "style" when it comes to camera bodies but I can only say for myself I like to try something new.

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Weird. So you are ditching a camera system because of video capabilities?

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IQ is not important to you? If you need video capabilities I would wait to see how the A6300 is against the GH4. It is not a given that the A6300 is a brilliant machine. And buying a camera on specs alone, without even having it in your hands and shooting with it is the most silly thing I heard in a long time. But I give it to you, it is trying something new. Silly nonetheless, but new.

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@User9362470513 It's not only about video capabilities, it's about what a company gives to its customers, how much they care about their customers, and how much you get for paying the certain amount of money. For the price of A6300, what can you get from Canon nowadays?

@PhotoRotterdam There is a comparison video already and A6300 indeed surpasses GH4 in terms of 4k video quality http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3971584 . Another video shows how well it performs with Canon lenses https://youtu.be/dUYcIPnOFZg . Of course until I have a chance to test it myself everything out there is literally "specs" alone, but to suggest that non-Canon gears = bad IQ, in 2016, I'm not sure who's real "silly". Maybe it's time to open your mind a little bit and see the world.

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I haven't said that non-Canon gear = bad IQ. That are your words. To quote: "When I saw the new Pentax K-1 only offers 1080p@30fps and the new Sigma sd Quattro does not even have video capability, I felt Canon was doing well. But when I saw the new Sony A6300, I put my Canon gears on sale."

It seems you are looking for a video camera, not a stills camera.

For the price of a A6300, Canon gives you a 6D or a 7DMKII. Amazon is your friend for price searches ;)

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@ PhotoRot

It seems you can increasingly get cameras that do both really well.

Much better than having to carry 2 different cameras if your horizon includes more than still shots alone.

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@PhotoRotterdam Amazon doesn't show 6D or 7D2 bodies for $998, which is the cost of the A6300 body. And how can 6d or 7D2 compare with A6300? Yes 6D has a bigger sensor but, with a same lens a 35mm and an APS-C don't always have noticeable IQ difference, for less money A6300 has a smaller body, better autofocus, far more superior video capability (4k & 1080p@120fps) and maybe a lot more.

I'm amazed why people always try to leave the video IQ out when they talk about IQ. As though they listen to videos rather than watching them... :D

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@ Tigerw
While I do lean towards certain Sony bodies, I don't think all is well with the a6300:
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- lack of IBIS, preventing it from benefiting from exactly those EF lenses Sony is suggesting to also use on APS-C bodies in their recent communications. almost all EF lenses have no stabilization.
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- no BSI sensor. Tests will have to show how close the a6300 sensor can come to BSI in regards to low light capability and the speed of moving data off the chip.
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- the overall changes from the a6000 are kind of minute. Metal body is nice, but weather sealing incomplete, and the strengthened lens mount is mainly useful for all the EF lenses that would need IBIS to have the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of using full frame lenses on a crop sensor.
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Yes, there is a stabilized full frame GM superzoom being introduced by Sony, but it costs twice as much as an A7R II plus a whole set of lenses, including the non-stabilized version of the same zoom lens.

Lots of trap doors with Sony. Watch out

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I see a lot of guys are complaining about video capability of the camera though they are made mainly for photography. I hope that they make a new camera with no auto in the dial and no video so the price can be dropped since I am a manual user all the time. A lot of people are paying for features that they don't often use.
I have canon 7d and I am very happy about it and thos that claim about dynamic range it's only marketing by dxo as no one do a raw processing more than 3-4 stops max. So DR 12 and above are more than what you use and this even what dxo describes in their definition

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Mainly for Photography eh; maybe you can tell that to the Canon rep who tried to persuade me the 80d was worth buying as a Professional Videographer.

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Can you comment a bit more on the speed of the G7 X Mark II?

How is the:

Initial AF acquisition time

Shot to shot speed with review on

Shot to shot speed with review off

Time to clear buffer after filling with jpg+raw

Overall operational speed vs G7 X and Nikon J4/V3/DL?

Thank You

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That would be useful to know, amid all the feeble minded statements that Canon/Nikon/Whatever is "the best".

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80D <3

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I never thought I'd say this out loud but for a canon user the most interesting camera may very well be the G7XII. They went from unusable for raw to usable. You don't see that kind of a leap in a canon product everyday.

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slide 4: "we can't to see it extended to all Canon DSLRs... and maybe even, well, that's a lot of wishful thinking."

Is it just me or are we missing part of the sentence here? Maybe even what?

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I wouldn't say you're missing it, Bob.

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"and maybe even, well, that's a lot of wishful thinking."
This is correct English.
Although, to some it may seem complicated.
It is a musive statement.

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put "wait" after "can't" and there you have it...

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LOL Joseph

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The missing 'wait' is not a problem, but I was expecting something after 'even'. Well, if y'all say it's OK like that...

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@Mark9473
Would it make sense to you if it were:?
and maybe even; well; that's a lot of wishful thinking

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Bernard, no. But never mind me, I'm not a native English speaker, so... To me it sounds like they want it implemented on other DSLR's and maybe even on ... WHAT?

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@Bernard. Should be a comma after well.

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Maybe even on a mirrorless camera. That's what they meant.

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canon is the most boring photo company in the world really..

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But their lenses are awesome.

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i agree and also af is awesome but they cannot innovate...their design is so ugly.

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I stick to canon because It is DSLR and has a lens selection for my budget. They don't innovate I agree.

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So is Honda for cars, and look where that got them.

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Canon is more like toyota than honda. Honda is more like nikon.
Leica more like Bentley
;-)

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Are you into photography to be excited about your camera or excited about your pictures? Canon makes tools while others make toys. There certainly is something to be said for both.

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Joe, whatever makes you comfortable, but your reductionist theory is as outdated as canon.

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Yeah, I should make a very useful car analogy instead next time.

People here push for big changes, big specs, and big differences and yet the market doesn't work that way. For professionals, performance and actual usage considerations reign supreme. For consumers, wacky features and 4K just aren't a force. Camera makers, tv makers, and movie makers may try to create a new MP war, but 4K isn't going to impress a vast majority of consumers who know their computer can't handle 4K and their tv doesn't need to show 4K to be awesome. Hey, I like 3-D movies as much as the next guy, but where did that big market push evaporate to? Gimmicks only sell if they're useful, and as tech matures 4K and 8K and upgrading TV's and cameras every year become more and more difficult to sell to a public of consumers with access to more information.

And the term "others" doesn't mean "every other" but Canon typically doesn't pander to gearheads.

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Every other brand except Canon is a toy? Even as a Canon shooter myself that is a load of BS.

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Boring people take boring photos, not boring cameras.

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Honda does innovate, they just don't have interesting designs

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i use pentax k5 645d fuji x100 olympus 43...they have much better ergonomics and are made for photographr especially the 645d...canon ergonomics and interface is abysmal...their design is also the most boring for camera in the world...their sensor is behind competition...skin tones awful, i can recognize a canon painting from millions of images...1dx is the only camera i would buy for the af and speed...the rest of line up simply is behind most of competition. the 80d compared to 500d is a joke, but even compared to a k32 or some micro third...

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go in a shop and try a pentax 645z ...you will realize who makes camera who toys...

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Maybe spend some of that big camera money on a keyboard with a working shift key.

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when you don't have argument....typical answer..clearly i'm not english mother tongue..but at least i can discuss in many languages...you?

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Hilarious, jonny1976. You sound like Donald Trump would sound, if he decided to rant about photography gear instead of his political opponents. I'm sure your cameras have a simply yuuuuge advantage over Canons, which are all pathetic losers. All the polls clearly show jonny1976 is winning it all!

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i'm not saying this....i'm saying what many objective canon users even says...and i answered to boy joseph who said all other cameras are toys. canon is bought mostly by ignorant people...who ignore competition has much better gear practically in every field of photography.

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Fanboys come from all nationalities....

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maybe boring...but they take good photos ..better than you would believe if you read the forums .i have a sony nex but not like the colour and skin tones so.i get a Fuji XE-2 and and was gutted to find a lowly canon 100D/SL1 in testing with same sharp prime on both the canon has much better fine detail rendering in a nicer way ..i even let the fuji community have a go with the Fuji RAW file in different raw converters in which they did a better job than me with the fuji file but it was not as good as my edit of the canon raw i really like the XE-2 but will sell it for a boring EOS M2

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fanboys=? even canon user sayscanon is boring and don't innovate...clearly objective....they remake same camera with minor tweaking overtime and canon's sheets by them silently.
they cannot even produce a sensor comparable to samsung or even panasonic.

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fine detail canon? i only notice bold color from color not fine detail...eos m? probably the worst camera out there...but hey it's canon let's buy it...my x100t produce file canon can dream of...believe me.

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and fanboy defend one brand...i'm telling you that canon is behind every other brand right now...fuji, pana, only,sony,nikon,pentax...as far as IQ and innovation...they produce camera that look like camera of 5 years ago.

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Yes, jonny, those who don't like what you like are ignorant. Thanks Donald.

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camera make for photographer...one that after 30 years don't even have two f...g wheels ..instead you have to push button and move an uncomfortable wheel on the back....

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ahaha who was the first saying " all the other brand are BS"..me? ..no you josephdonald.....if you go in canon forum here and ask what they think of canon, the most objective will tell you exactly what I'm saying.
canon has great af and great bazooka for wildlife and sport. the rest is simply not interesting.

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Jonny i did offer £25 GBP (aprox$35 UD)to a gobby fanboy for him to edit the fuji raw file and if it matched the canon i will pay it in to his paypal but the offer was not taken up ...this offer still stands..do you want the link to the file.....
EDIT if your attempt is not as good you owe me nothing ...not bad pay at £100 GBPan hour

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i can try but even if it will be better i'm sure you d say no canon is so good...even if i send you a full from medium format...problem in my opinion you are used to canon IQ.

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personally i use x100 first edition that has not Xtrans sensor.
problem with fuji is that you need to use their converter to obtain the best from XTRANS. is a bit like sigma foveon.

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Looking at the complete image on a big screen yes it VERY subjective which will be best (there is more difference BEFORE i upload as DPR do something to the files but its still clearly seen but you would have to download them to see better ) but at 100 or 200% its not ..there either more detail or there is not if its as good or better i will say so as i want to keep the fuji i love using it, so i will try to replicate what you did
link for fuji https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6pwdkxl6je7cy4j/AAA3BwxS6CI2zpXCr94VopVOa?dl=0

this is the post/tread with the comparison..look at the bottom as thats the photos that compare it to MY edit of the Canon.. can post your results their
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57299499

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Jonny it the X-trans that has the problems ..i find the fuji converter is definitely NOT the best if you look up the tread you will see

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i use not xtrans....anyway i use other cameras and i'm not impressed by canon IQ. especially color and skin tone.

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Thank God they are.

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@jonny1976 says "canon is the most boring photo company in the world really.."

So boring that they have excellent 3rd party support

So boring that professional gear/studio equip. manufacturers often make special features available to Canon first. (e.g. Profoto B1, hss)

So boring that I can find Canon supported at Universities around the U.S. at the drop of a hat. I can't do that with Oly, Sony, et al.

So boring that they've been at the forefront of resolution and offering FF, for most of the time digital cameras have been mainstream while Nikon, et. al., languished with 1.5x crop and 12mp or so for *years* before waking up and smelling the coffee.

So boring that Canon offered stabilization for the superteles while Nikon drug its behind, figuring it was ok to ask $$,$$$ for a non-stabilized 600mm lens (eye roll).

So boring that Canon offered video....
So boring that Canon... built-in teleconverter... 200-400 lens..
So boring that...

... you get the idea.

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Teila,
I think the term "boring" means it doesn't offer something new and different whether that new and different thing is useful or not. He's bored with photography and wants a camera to be the exciting part of the experience now. I bet he'd be thrilled for about ten minutes if someone came out with a camera that shot 8K video, and then he'd demand 16K five minutes later. People don't realize that their spec chasing is just reverting to being a petulant child who wants the candy with all the bright colors because those old dull colors were boring and bright colors make the candy taste better.

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Joseph, Oh I see. Hmmm.... Maybe he should be one of those Hokey looking bright red Hasselblads with the Ferrari emblem conspicuously displayed. In the same week, order a RED camera (should quench his video thirst and a cinema lens or two costing $10k or there about should give him something to Oooh and ahhh over), and to top it all off... he should pick up a nice Linhof M 679CS 6x9 camera and a nice 80mm lens and some packs of film... That should keep him busy for a while ;)

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joseph black u don't understand the point...i'm not at all bored with photo and i shoot no video..i use camera made for photographer with great interface and super iq..something uy can use because canon do n't produce a camera like this...by the way i not have said which featuree i want you did everything from beginning...canon 80d for example is a camera not made for photographer, boring as hell who the only positive is video feature.
look the k1 spec and watch a camera made for photographer..

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joseph the guy who said every other brand is BS is you..now u change words pop people...canon camera are so boring..go and ask in canon forum here to understand that even canon fanboy are bored by canon camera...look the 80d or the new compact...oh my god take a compact like ricoh like sony rx100 even a sigma merril with medium format iq at base iso...these camera are the same stuff as the older model sold to people like you...sheep who buy everything canon throw to them...beeeeeeebeeeeebeeeee

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Teila, to bring back to car analogy, your commuter car takes you from point A to point B every morning and gets the job done but it's boring.
What the OP was saying, I think, is that there is absolutely no point to get an 80D if you own a 50, 60, or 70D; or to get the 1DxII if you own the 1Dx. It does the same thing or close enough to it.
In my job, someone will have to make a very compelling case to make me switch to something else after years of method development around my tools. However I am always looking for that 'next'. If at some point in the future something will come along that will make me work less and get more I would gladly switch. I see alot of innovations coming to being here but alot of people dismissing it, often without even trying.

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photo medium thanks it was pretty easy even for fanboys of canon who i'm sure agree with me..but these people are overfanboys. the 80d in addiction has nothing for photographer, but only gimmick...and josephsheeppaul said is me who want gimmick not related to photography....k1 is a camera who shake the market, who has innovations, who stabilize every lens...who has now the best came for iq 645z for less than the price of the 1dx2....

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Photomedium, I see what you mean. In that context, once you've spent a certain amount of money in camera gear (lenses and pro-like bodies); you can't reasonably expect "excitement" unless you dig really deep into your purse.

About the only other way you get your socks knocked off is the rare time that a manufacturer comes out with something so surprising that it catches everyone off guard.. e.g., like if the 1Dx2 was mirrorless, 36mp, had better focus performance than the 1Dx, and shot stills at 30fps with endless buffer.

Other than that kind of leap in technology, it's just reasonable to expect incremental changes/advances. I look for excitement in other things that matter, such as studio strobe advancements, etc.. I can see in the not to distant future a camera's "sync speed" being insignificant.

Thanks for getting me straight Photomedium. Good points. I too never upgrade or switch unless I've a very compelling reason to do so. Best in photography to all of you.

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page 6 .. is't the fps 16 and 14?
page 12 .. "Although the EOS-1D X Mark II features built-in Wi-Fi," it doesnt ;)

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Thanks - we've fixed it. It's easy to miss things in proofreading when you're so jet-lagged that you can barely see straight.

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well they will have to upgrade the G5X very soon now wont they...?

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"...one of the longest lines can be found Canon's booth. This year, Canon's EOS 80D and EOS-1D X Mark II were in huge demand from both press and public attendees alike..."

Oh oh, don't let the Sony kool-aid crew read that. How can that be, I mean, the historically class following DR of Canon sensors, the high price and size of the 1Dx. And how can the 80D be popular, like seriously, it doesn't even have 4K! Stupid stupid attendee's and press.

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Was the long line of people at the booth full of folk waiting to hand over the monies to purchase these 'in demand' bodies? Nope! It was full of brand sheep wanting a closer look at how Canon managed to cram a 5DC sensor into a new shell and market it as ground breaking.

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Spoken like someone who wasn't there.

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There always has to be a brand that people associate with "sheep" so they can quickly define themselves as original, unique, and different despite also buying something that millions of other people are buying. If you hate Apple, that doesn't make your Android phone the hallmark independence and free thought. Hating Canon doesn't make your choice any more free from ignorance, any more singular, and it also doesn't make those who disagree with your choice incapable of intelligent thought and choosing their own valid priorities. Choosing not to buy something because others buy it is just as sheep-like as anything else. If you make a decision based only on what you actually need or want or like and it ends up being Canon or Nikon or Sigma, then you are neither a hater nor a sheep nor the most unique and wonderful person on the planet.

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bugsy46 - you're right. All those 100,000s of pros around the world who use Canon - which dominates at sports and news events and with pros generally - are just sheep. And I don't even own a Canon.

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Calm down guys, I'm ripping on the Canon 'development' because I fancied some fanboy reaction. I'm flying out to LA next month to shoot stills on a movie production and I will be using a Canon due to their fine shutter assembly which results in very little noise within a sound blimp..... so there ;)

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It's all based on product release cycles/schedules. Nikon's booth at CES this year (January) was always packed (D5/D500) while Canon's was a ghost town. Not surprised Canon's would be packed at CP+ for the 1DXII.

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So Canon are damned if they have a lot of people at their booth or damned if they don't. Canon fills the water cooler with mind altering substance to attract the sheep, but the wiley Sony fans, all make their way to the Sony booth because of their superior judgement.

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you're a sheep

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The 1DX2 is touted as the "flagship" yet it is my understanding that it does NOT have the built in intervalometer that the 5D3 SR has. I love that feature for LE shots.

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Flagship does not mean "includes every feature the company uses on all bodies." When the 7D first came out it had features that none of the other bodies had. The 1D X II doesn't have the 5DSR sensor. If someone is willing to pay for a 1D XII body, I doubt they'll find it overly burdensome to solve their own intervalometer problem.

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1DXII has not got a program mode as well ;)

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