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Video: Hands-on with the Nikon DL trio at CP+ 2016 in Japan

Published Feb 25, 2016 | dpreview staff

It's all well and good to imagine what Nikon's trio of 1"-type sensor compacts might be like based on spec, but there's nothing like getting them in your hands. See what the buzz is all about – straight from the show floor of CP+ in Yokohama, Japan.

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Total comments: 110

I really wish to see Nikon DL24 or DL35 with f/1.8 lens and EVF some time soon... I think it's time for Nikon to address Fuji X100 with their own, hopefully smaller, product.

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They already failed once. Why make the same mistake. Plus it's super niche. They'll sell 3-4 times as many of these

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This has a 24-85mm f1.8 zoom, so it is probably like f2.3 at 35mm already. Pretty close plus you get the zoom.

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There are smaller cameras that offer EVF. Come on Nikon.

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And are more expensive and have small batteries to keep the body size down...

Historically most compact camera buyers, faced with a model with a viewfinder or a cheaper version of the same model with the viewfinder missed out, bought the cheaper one. That said, these cameras are aimed at a different group of potential buyers who might appreciate a viewfinder more. I guess they'll find out, based on how many people buy the optional viewfinder.

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More proof that Sony's RX100 line was a game changer.

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And still both RX100 I and II got only Silver Rewards at the time :)
Now people are criticising DPR for being pro-Sony ...

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No, the Canon S90 was a game changer. Sony just took that and made the same thing using a larger sensor.

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Going by that logic the Fuji F series (F10-20-30-31 etc.) was the game changer.

Sony's remains the 1 inch sensor game changer.

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Seeing as Nikon invented the CX camera line, I believe they were they game changer for 1" cameras.

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If I had to choose between the Nikon 24-85, the Canon G7x and the Sony RX100 I would choose the Nikon : from the few samples I have seen IQ quality is fine, and the cam is well designed . I don't really like Sony jpegs and the Canon lens seems a bit weak or so it seems from the reviews . It would go on my belt in a small hard case , this is what pocketable means to me, I don't even put my tiny Canon S110 in a pocket God forbid . These 1" cameras are really interesting , the other one the 18-50 lets you shoot at a 9mm f2.5 4/3 equiv, I find that pretty cool, and there is a perspective correction in cam, plus ND filter . Had I the money I would get both . Ah and I forgot to mention the focal length clicking positions on the lens wheel, like on the Canon S series , that's an awesome feature .

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Why are you comparing the DL 24-85 to RX100 version I, its priced $398, even version II is way cheaper at $498.
The DL24-85 is midway between the RX100 II and III ($798).

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I like the DL 18-50. Good option for taking good photos when backpacking. I'm hoping Sony comes out with the same wide angle lens, because I do like having an EVF and built in flash in certain situations.

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wasn't comparing to a rx100 specific version, more in general , and certainly not price wise .

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so what do they feel like, solid, responsive, jewel like, heavy, light.....?

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I know you're almost American now, but do you really need to say, "Yokohama, Japan"?

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Yokohama, Wisconsin has a ring to it.

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Meh

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sigh. So tired of the electronic zooms on these 1" bridge cameras. I'm waiting for someone to release one with a manual zoom somewhere in the realm of 30-400mm.

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Fuji did that 4 years ago with XS1 and I don't think it sold terribly well despite being a good camera.

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Actually, my bad, XS1 was not 1" sensor.

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To be fair, I'm a fan of Canon's zoom framing assist, something that wouldn't be possible with a manual zoom.

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Waiting for DPR to confirm this, but from Nikons literature: The DL18-50 f/1.8-2.8's GUI and menus are very similar to Nikon DSLRs, as are the command dial with PSAM control, rotary multi-selector, power switch, customizable Fn (function) button and RAW (NEF) capabilities. Focal length can be set in steps or adjusted fluidly across the zoom range with the lens' precision zoom ring, while the control ring allows precise adjustments of aperture, shutter speed, manual focus or even white balance.

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The Fuji XS-1 isn't an 1" sensor. It is the same sensor as in the Fuji X-10 of that period, using a 2/3" (8.8 x 6.6 mm) sensor. But it was actually an underrated camera. It gave some decent results!

I agree the manual zoom on the SX-1 was a pleasure to use!

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Nikon 1 lens reliability seems to be much lower than their DSLR lenses.
both my 10-30mm zooms have had repair under a service advisory, my 10-100 PD zoom has failed with only light use, and with a $495 repair estimate,

At least I can change to another lens if I have a failure, these fixed lens versions will be a highly expensive to repair if Nikon 1 lens mechanical design is not improved. I have many dx and full frame Nikon lenses with few problens so I have nothing against standard Nikon lenses

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Well not only N1 lenses, but the bodies and their compact cameras are not reliable, probably last one to two years with some sorts of failure.

They were once known for producing high quality products. My coolpix that I bought in 2001 with robustly usage at work is still working like a charm.

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Can't say I agree with the lens reliability thing. Those two lenses are problematic ones. 10-30zoom has a known design defect and Nikon has been repairing free of charge. I don't know what the problem is with the 10-100PD zoom but it's not very common lens. The rest of the lenses in the lineup are largely free of problem AFAIK. I don't have those two lenses and I have never had lens problem with 5 N1 lenses in years of use. So, it's not a fair generalization but more of a misrepresentation.

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only ever problem i've had with the Nikon 1 was the 10-30mm which was fixed for free under a service advisory, good solid stuff

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I have a full Nikon 1 outfit with flash, 3 lenses, etc. and not one single failure - I've had it all since the V1. It's been as reliable as it gets for me.

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The good news is that, at these prices, you would have paid more for JUST THE LENS if Nikon had even manufactured an f/1.8-2.8 or f2.8-5.6 version of these zoom ranges as interchangeable lenses on the 1 system. And, if you're really concerned, there's always SquareTrade.

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4k video sample here, shot by DL 24 500, if you are interested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktciZ4KcrIY

It looks good and flat.

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Thanks for the link. The image quality looks excellent. I would be very interested to see how it compares with the Sony RX10 II, as it may be a viable alternative if a person wanted a B-cam for the Panasonic GH4.

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Are there any image samples for the 18-50 available?

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Thank you very much! As a happy owner of a Panasonic FZ100, the nikon stabilization is just amazing, but i miss some focus change.

It's strange that FZ1000 filter size is 62mm and Nikon only 55mm. That's a huge difference.

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Well, the Nikon is only f/5.6 at the long end, whereas the FZ1000 is f/4 at (nearly) the same spot. I'm kind of disappointed Nikon didn't suck it up and go 2.8-4.0, but perhaps it was to challenging to get good sharpness at 4.0 on those optics.

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Glad to see Nikon join the 4K party in a big way !

Poor Canon :
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/1113663915/opinion-why-the-canon-xc10-is-a-big-deal
https://youtu.be/Mexs7HvHR2I?t=1325

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Have you seen what the XC10 can do in the right hands?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-oGLaKTzwA

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Funny how the nikon 1 series realy did not make much sense to me ecept for the blazing fast speed. These they make a bit more sense...

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N1 was overpriced from the beggining and the kit lens with all v cams should have been an f/1.8-2.8 zoom. If they would have delivered that package at $650 launch price for the V - the 1 system would be the star mirrorless system right now. Instead, trying to protect DSLR sales, they launched them massively overpriced with no fast zooms. It is like they wanted the system to fail.

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The 1 system is only overpriced if you don't need the speed. If you do, nothing else competes with regard to FPS and AF ability.

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What I really don't like is that they announce it now and only deliver in over 4 months.
That reminds me of Nokia in their last 2-3 years. You create a lot of excitement but that fades over 3 months.
Shock and awe would be better ;-)

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I remember tokina announced a 70-200/4 zoom and then finally delivered it about 2 years later. I don't think any consumer has bought one yet.

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Still, lenses are another thing I guess, they are usually kept for many years. A compact camera....

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Panasonic GM5 is ahead in so many features, EVF, size, m4/3 sensor

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But it doesn't have a pancake 9-25mm 1.8-2.8 lens. Or a pancake 12-42.5 1.8-2.8.

Or 4k.....or pdaf....or 20fps....

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In fairness, both lenses would only need to be F2.5-3.8 to offer equivalent capabilities.

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Very true Richard. But they still have to be pancakes.

...I didn't know the aperture conversion. 😔

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Not that I know much about it but it looks like the lx100 is only 50g heavier with a built in viewfinder? No, wide version though

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I wish m4/3 had a pancake 12-42mm f2.5-3.8 pancake!

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Yes, and the Canon 5DS has a much bigger sensor, resolution, and usable ISO range. But wait, the Hasselblad H3D has an even bigger sensor!

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Yes and for certain aplications MF IS the point of being sufficient. not sure what your point is

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@RidgeRunner22 - my reply was to photo perzon, who seems to think that comparing the DL series to the Panasonic GM5 is in any way valid.

He's saying, 'the GM5 has a bigger sensor and an EVF and is smaller' but totally misses the part about m43 not having any lenses equivalent to the DL series.

You might as well bring up that a full frame Canon has a bigger sensor, and that a MF body has an even bigger sensor. It's an example of a nonsensical comparison.

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@Richard: yep, give me a 2.5-3.8 / 9-25 pancake zoom, or even non pancake. The available 9-18 / 4-5.6 certainly is not bad, but I really would appreciate an ultra-wide to normal fastish zoom for mirror less (sadly Samsung will never produce this for my NX300).

For me the bigger issue is that for the DL24-85 an underwater housing will be much cheaper than let's say an E-M5II and the 12-40. And if you have water ingress you loose much less money. Autofocus is probably better with the DL, and you get a macro setting for free (which I need quite often).

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@Richard Butler. When did f/2.5-f/3.8 start to have equivalent capabilities as f/1.8-f/2.8?? Personally I would prefer f/1.8 in low light to keep the ISO down ☺

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Archiver - I think his comparison was based on the two being roughly equal size.

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Archiver I believe you missed what photo perzon hinted at. He was referring to the GM5 which is smaller than these Nikons. Sure we could list many cameras with larger sensors but those cameras are larger. I took perzon's point to be that there are smaller cameras that offer more than the new DL line (including EVF and a larger sensor). Valid points. I think this point was certainly not lost on brownie314 above me.

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AKH - it always has (because it's how light behaves).

The key word to note is equivalent, not equal.

I'm not saying an F2.5-3.8 is as good as an F1.8-2.8 would be, on the same format (of course it wouldn't). I'm saying an F2.5-3.8 on a Four Thirds sensor will be very similar to an F1.8-2.8 on a 1"-type sensor.

In theory (and usually in practice), a Four Thirds sensor at F2.5 and ISO 200 will give a very similar amount of noise to an F1.8 lens of the same field of view if you'd kept the ISO down to 100 on a 1"-type sensor.

For more information (and photographic examples) you can read this.

I'm not suggesting they are the same in exposure terms, just saying they give comparable results. Rather than just saying big sensors are less noisy, it relates everything back to why: because they get more total light for the same shutter speed and F-number.

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Richard Butler - that depends very much on the 4/3 sensor you are comparing. If you take the EP-1 and EP-2, they are more or less on par in high ISO performance with the Nikon J5, so here the J5 would have around a 1-stop advantage when using an f/1.8 lens compared to the older 4/3 using a f/2.5 lens.

The newer versions of Oly 4/3 have around 1-stop high ISO advantage over the J5, so in that case you are right.

I'm not sure why you mix field of view into the equation. The only relevant parameters are widest aperture (or f-stop) and high ISO performance.

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DPR is really pushing these cameras

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If you have used Nikon 1 cameras before, you'd know how awesome these cameras will be, and DPR knows that.

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To me, it would seem remiss of us not to cover, in detail, a major camera manufacturer's release of a completely new line of cameras that will go up against established competition in a crowded and popular market segment.

As for the volume of posts, well, some people like to read, and some people like to watch videos. When it's possible, we try to offer both for our readers / viewers.

And on a more personal note, as someone who likes to have a small and capable camera on my person all the time, these seem pretty neat.

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I'm glad that DPR expands the coverage for interesting cameras like this trio is. That serves readers well.

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3 feature articles and 2 video features in 2 days seems a bit much

for 3 point and shoot cameras that will end up on the costco shelves its silly

compact cameras aren't exactly flying off the shelves these days

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@Retzuis - it was an announcement article (which we do for pretty much every camera) plus a more in-depth look at three cameras aimed squarely at our core readers.

It just so happens that some of our team were on their way to Japan to a trade show that gave them a chance to get their hands on working samples, which is what the other article and video are about.

We've done something pretty similar about Sigma's announcement, it's just that there's been an unusually short gap between the product's announcement and the first time we can show proper hands-on coverage.

And while small sensor compacts are dying a death, good quality compacts are selling pretty well (which is presumably why Nikon has just developed three of them).

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@Retzius,
Are there any other interesting developments in 1" sensor segment? I don't think that recent Powershots from Canon qualify as "interesting".

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"To me, it would seem remiss of us not to cover, in detail, a major camera manufacturer's release of a completely new line of cameras that will go up against established competition in a crowded and popular market segment."

What a punch in the face for EOS-M owners.

Still waiting for the reviews.

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@Tonkotsu Ramen:

Certainly not intended that way, so my apologies for that. It's a bit of a cop-out answer, but I'm afraid the EOS-M cameras predated my time at DPR, so I can't really weigh in beyond that.

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Indeed! I may have taken those comments out of context, sort of.

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Any update on the D810 review? Before Christmas, Rishi mentioned it was next in line and it would be up soon, and other cameras have been fully released and reviewed in between...Just curious, thanks.

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Please post the Panasonic ZS100 review soon ;-)
Then we'll see whether this new DL trio makes sense, or does not.

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Production ZS100s are only now becoming available, so it'll be a while before we can publish a review, I'm afraid.

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Photoblog has reviewed it. You can now relax and enjoy the read.

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@Combatmedic870- It was a pretty weak review, though, sadly. All the sample pictures but one were at the wide end. Not a whole lot of in-depth with the features, etc.

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No raw either. Better then nothing though.

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They're redefining what a pocket camera is, as in not being able to actually fit into your pocket :) They look even bigger than the dimensions would indicate, esp the protruding lens stub on the 18-50mm.

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Looked around after our discussion yesterday, and your right, these Nikon's are not pocket cameras unless your a masochist.

Probably still won't deter my picking up a couple of them, I wouldn't carry the Sony in a pocket either due to a comfort factor, but yes, it will affect some decisions.

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I wear regular-fitting pants, usually on the loose side. I've got my keys and wallet in one front pocket and my phone in the other, no room for a camera. Not even close. Wallet or keys in a back pocket would be painful to sit on. Camera or phone in a back pocket would be fine if I wanted to destroy them.

So all these people who claim to carry cameras in their jeans, where are they putting them? Are they still wearing their Z Cavariccis from 1988? I seem to be missing something here.

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I say everyone should wear Cargo pants/shorts they are awesome :)

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My phone case is my wallet and it and my keys both go in my left front pocket, my RX100 in my right. Not at all difficult.

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Packet camera = cargo pants pocket or jacket pocket. Forget about slim cut or even straight cut pants. My cargo pants especially on the lower pockets could fit in my Fujifilm ex1 with its pancake. That's APSC 'pocketable', LOL..

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I can fit an RX100IV in my skinny jeans pocket. It's pretty snug but not uncomfortable.

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If we're talking cargo pants or a jacket, no one should be complaining about these DLs. But apparently there's a huge need on these forums for every new camera to fit into skintight Edwins, though out in the real world I've never seen this once.

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Cargo pants are casual only. Not even business casual or night out attire.

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Well for skinny jeans you'll hv to do with that 'bulge' ..hehe.. Unless you're skinny to the bone type..

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This is just so weird.

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When I think "pocket" I think the front pocket on a pair of jeans. None of these cameras or their competition are suitable for that, unless you have huge baggy pants - not to mention the abuse the camera takes being forced in and out of a tight place on a regular basis. All of these cameras will fit in a jacket/hoodie pocket or inside pocket on a coat, side pocket of a backpack, etc. which is how I suspect most of them will be carried.

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I saw Nikon's own photo samples, which with nearly any camera look very good because the manufacturer creates them in controlled conditions, etc. But Nikon's don't impress at all. Same with actual samples from the J5.

I have been leaning towards the RX100 IV but the DL is more the control style that I prefer. Sadly it seems like the photos just don't compare.

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Most likely they are the same 20.1mp BSI sony sensor. What you should be looking at is the lens infront performance. Shooting RAW it is up to you to get the color right. If you like ken rockwell go ahead and shoot jpeg SOOC.

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Imaging resources J5 review with samples:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-j5/nikon-j5-field-test.htm

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-j5/nikon-j5-image-quality.htm

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These SOOC Jpeg photos don't impress?

http://www.thepassionatephotographer.com/first-look-the-new-nikon-compact-dl-24-85-f1-8-2-8-and-dl18-50-f1-8-2-8-cameras-are-here/

RAW should be even better.

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There's nothing wrong with JPEG.

Ask yourself this question. Would you bother taking a picture with a camera that's 8 years old? That's a long time in digital photography terms. If not, then why not? Presumably you shot RAW back then too?

You see, the problem with RAW is that it's just a little bit better than JPEG and it never teaches you anything. JPEG forces you to learn photography, but with RAW you can always sort of wing it and just deal with mistakes later.

In 10 years, raw or JPEG, this camera is going to be terrible. So assassinating a professional's character online over what format you shoot in a camera that won't be relevant in just a few years is really poor advice.

ap356 didn't like what he saw. Telling him to use raw isn't going to make it all that much better. Poop is still poop, even if you use a blender and a straw rather than eating it straight.

I quite like the camera and I'm considering it. Whether I shoot raw or JPEG has nothing to do with that.

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Some pro photographers show you their best results that they took under conditions that are ideal for this sort of camera. The samples are resized.
That doesn't mean anything- I am actually quite interested and if the lenses are as sharp as he says that could sway me from the RX100 which is only tack sharp at 28mm. But you have to keep that in mind- what you are seeing is the best possible result under specific circumstances- It's advertising, after all.

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Much needed to compete with Sony and Canon.

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Canon?!?

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From what I've heard, they're born every minute

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G3 X, G5 X, G7 X2, G9 X. Those Canons.

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Meh.

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The G7X II (and other Canons) are not competition for the DL. Even the RX100 isn't much competition if you consider the AF system. I realize it's priced to compete with those cameras, but functionally it's kind of carved out a class of its own given that it has 1-series internals.

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I don't get why cameras need to compete.The old chestnut that competition is good for the buyers is these days a bit of a stretch. The additions that various 1 inch sensor cameras bring is hardly earth shattering. It seems more like fanboy fodder.

I don't benefit by Nikon tapping in to Sony buyers especially when the Sony cameras may well be better while being slightly smaller.

My point is I don't care who makes the cameras, just make good ones.

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That lowly 1" sensor outperforms Canon DSLR sensors in some areas ;)

You're right though, competition is good for everyone.

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Barney, does the 24-500 DL support a Lens Hood? Haven't seen one, both other DL's do have a square one, at least shown on Nikon Rumors.

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See:

http://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/premium-compact-cameras/dl24-500-f%252f2.8-5.6.html#tab-ProductDetail-ProductTabs-Accessories

It shows HB-DL1 Bayonet Lens Hood (round) for that model.

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Hi Marc,

If the 24-500 DL is anything like the P900, then, probably no lens hood, sadly :( Well, call me a liar, there is one :D …. second row of the accessories …. http://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/premium-compact-cameras/dl24-500-f%252f2.8-5.6.html#tab-ProductDetail-ProductTabs-Accessories

Beat me by 2 mins, J_M_MN :D

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thank you guys.

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It looks like Nikon wouldn't even give DPR permission to touch the shutter button.

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DL 24-85 is the camera I've been waiting for!

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It's really ticking the boxes in alot of ways....that 1:1 macro yo....that's probably the biggest deal about the Camera. I mean there's plenty of 24-70/100 cameras. This is the only one to do 1:1 macro.

If these cameras are as fast as the 1 series and the lenses are sharp. They will be the ones to beat in there specific coverage area.

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I'd be interested into the 18-50 DL....very good focal Range into a Compact, a 1st from Nikon. But not yet. ;)

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I like the DLs but I wonder how the lx100 would stack up

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Me too! I was going to buy it but now I'd like to know how it compares with those new nikons!

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