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Body & Design

The Sony Alpha 7R II is the fifth full frame mirrorless camera from Sony. And it uses the newer, beefier body design, first introduced with the Sony Alpha 7II. Product badges aside, the bodies of the two cameras are essentially identical (bar the material used to build the cameras' front plates).

Part of the reason for the increased body size is the inclusion of an image stabilization system, which helps to steady the camera's 42MP sensor.

The a7R II is a hefty camera. Fortunately the grip is well-sized, making it easy to hold.

Physically, the a7R II feels very solid and well constructed. The body is comprised of magnesium alloy, and it features improved weather sealing, and a more robust lens mount, to support heavy glass.

Our biggest complaint about the new body design of the a7R II and a7 II is the small size of the control dials. They can be frustratingly difficult to hit, on the fly.

The camera offers twin control dials, one on the front and one on the back, in addition to a third click wheel, located next to the LCD. Many of us found the front and rear dials to be small and difficult to access, in the field, especially when compared to the substantially larger dials found on the original a7 series.

The Sony a7R II has a range of buttons dotted across its surfaces. Many of them are customizable but some are easier to reach than others.

Like the original a7R, as well as the a7 II, Sony has done a great job of making the Sony a7R II an incredibly customizable camera. In addition to a Function Menu, where users can tuck away up to 12 core features, the camera also has 10 customizable buttons in addition to a customizable click wheel on back.

The a7R II has the same body design as the a7 II. The grip is large, and comfortable to hold. The shutter button is also at an angle for easy access.

The shutter button has been moved from its location on the original a7R. It now sits on the front of the grip and is angled downward, for easy access. Its diameter has also been noticeably increased over its predecessor. If you're coming from the one of the original a7 cameras, it may take some time to get used to the reshaped grip, and the new location of the shutter. But in the end, we think the redesigned grip is for the better, especially considering the increased weight of the a7R II vs the original a7R. We only wish the expanded grip were an excuse for a new, larger battery that could fit inside the larger grip but, alas, no.

It's worth noting that the short form factor of the body means that you can't get a full grip with all fingers, and the corner of the body can dig into your palm. Thankfully, attaching Sony's vertical grip makes the camera feel far better in your hand, and extends battery life to boot. You can't charge batteries in the grip though (and removing batteries is cumbersome), and it's a shame that the Sony grip doesn't offer the robust wireless remote control with intervalometer that 3rd party grips offer. Unfortunately, the cheaper 3rd party alternative we tried had compatibility issues: it would reset the aperture frequently.

The back thumbrest is well-sized, and makes gripping the somewhat hefty a7R II a comfortable affair. Though some of our editors found that over prolonged use, the bottom of the camera body had a tendency to dig into one's hand. This can be remedied by attaching a vertical grip.

The back of the a7RII offers a substantial thumb rest, most of us found to be quite comfortable. The video record button is located on the other side of it and the memory card door is located directly below.

Both the front grip and rear thumbrest are wrapped in rubber, which makes it easy to grip the camera securely, even with one hand. So sweaty-palmed shooters can breath easy knowing the a7R II will not easily slip from their grip.

The screen articulates up and down, though not left and right.

The a7R II includes a 3-inch 1.2 million dot LCD that flips up and down, though not side to side. It is accompanied by a well-sized 2.3 million dot electronic viewfinder with 0.78x magnification. In use this means it's both large and very detailed and the refresh rate is fast enough that you're rarely likely to find yourself pining for an optical finder.

Unfortunately the sensor that chooses between the EVF and LCD is rather over-sensitive. Presumably in a bid to ensure the camera is always ready by the time you've raised it to your eye, the camera will shut off the LCD and jump to the EVF with the slightest provocation. This is particularly a problem if you're trying to shoot at waist level using the rear screen, because it'll shut off if you bring the camera too close to your body, but even a stray camera strap passing near the sensor is enough to interrupt your shooting or playback experience. We've found even more sensitivity issues in bright sunlight, with the switch appearing overly active. Switching through the menu options for Finder/Monitor Select is often cumbersome, and if you generally keep the this setting set to 'Auto', assigning and pressing a button for Finder/Monitor only temporarily switches the active display, reverting later on to 'Auto' (and it doesn't switch in playback). This can make for a confusing experience. A more sensible sensor, or a hard switch between EVF/LCD might make sense.

The Sony a7R II is well connected and video ready. It features built in Wi-Fi as well as NFC, and has audio connectors for both a microphone and headphones, in addition to a USB 2.0, and micro-HDMI port.
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PeterTahl

Do I make beter pictures with my Sony A7RII in comparison with my Canon 5D mark III. Yes, definitely. Do I have more fun taking pictures? Yes, Yes! Do I need 42 mil px. No, but's very handy when art-directors yet don't know how they want to use my pictures (landscape or portrait). And least but not last: dynamic range! The weight! The articulated screen, the spot on autofocus, no back and front focus. The briljant (at least a number of them) Sony Zeiss lenses...

0 upvotes
Dougbm_2

Some of the nicest images in a DPR review yet.
Particularly the cloud over the mountain. Very nice tones and colours.

2 upvotes
JerryKraut

I would give Sony an innovation award for doing away with the SLR - in principle if not in practice. This particular camera, however, given its high price, does not deserve an award due to its many significant shortcomings. Back to the drawing board, Sony!

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zerlings

I have the A7II but don't like it much (e.g. control, colors, AF speed). The A7RII seems a very advanced camera but is it much different to the A7II?

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Eric Hensel

If you can't get good color out of the A711, you won't from this one either.

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Hellraiser

You know you can get the same tone/colour with every single camera on the market? That's why you go to post processing... and if you dont use that, you really don't need a $3000 camera, rather stick to P&S models.

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getagrip15

I love my A7RII, so I don't really get too worked up about reviews. Coming from Nikon, this camera just works so well for my type of shooting (landscapes, portraits). I wouldn't even consider this if I shot a lot of sports though. But for my purposes it's great. I can go very compact and light if I want to, or grab all my lenses other times. The continuous eye autofocus is just insane. I get may more keepers then I ever have with any other camera.

My main gripe? Sometime it can seem to take a decade to review an image at full magnification. Especially if you just fired of several images back to back. If there was any way to speed this up with a firmware update I would leap for joy.

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Naveed Akhtar

Thanks, this is what I call a great short review ..

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Rishi Sanyal

Agree 100% with everything you've said. And Naveed - a lot of this is essentially what we say in the scoring widget at the end of the review, with out 'Good for', 'Not so good for', and 'Overall conclusion' sections. It's just that, as DPReview, we need to actually back up everything we say and, indeed, do all the tests first in order to be able to know what to say. :)

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Simon Stanmore

This is perhaps the first truly ground breaking DLSR in terms of spec and stills capability since the original 1DS and 5DmkII, but here's the rub (for me) ... It won't make *my* pictures (currently via Canon FF) any better for my clients or myself. On every practical level I think this sentiment applies to the vast majority of long-term photographers too.

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ZeneticX

Camera, or simply ILC to be more specific. It's not a DSLR

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MarkByland

It's actually not a DSLR. It's a mirrorless. There is no reflexing going on inside the shutter compartment. Just wait until the other camera companies come out with the next big thing. But then, by next fall, Sony will be up to the A7Smmxcviii, so who knows.

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RStyga

I believe DSLM is an appropriate term.

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Emphyrio2

A good review. Image quality is impressive. But the"Not so good for' list is longer than the same list for 5D3 and includes the photography i most like to do.

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Rishi Sanyal

Please note that these lists, and the pros and cons, are not directly comparable between cameras. They're very dependent and specific to the reviewers writing a review. Furthermore, for the a7R II, it's worth noting that we spelled out very specific issues at a more low level than we typically have for many cameras in the past (that had more overarching cons) - simply because we've felt of late they can be lost in the body of large reviews.

That doesn't mean there are 'more' cons than another camera with a smaller con list. It could, but in this case, it's more that we're very specifically spelling out cons we think should be addressed by Sony or considered by the consumer.

Also, we test AF more in-depth recently, which also generates more pros/cons to talk about.

Furthermore, a camera with more overall features, like the a7R II, ends up potentially have a longer 'cons' list simply b/c there's more to talk about/assess.

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MDRCHINA

Rishi you guys do much good work so that's the Pro.

You wrote " it's more that we're very specifically spelling out cons we think should be addressed by Sony or considered by the consumer". Which is why you write Cons for all cameras? Right.

Why did you not put up the other 90% Gold Winning Nikon D750 in the camera comparison drop area--here are those earlier Pro and Con conclusions: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d750/16

Ming Thein posted a list Cons for mirrorless recently;http://blog.mingthein.com/2015/11/03/how-to-design-mirrorless-right/

Perhaps it makes sense to take the time to write of cons in depth relative companies that are seeking to convince consumers that the future has arrived because those selfsame companies are seeking to dominate the present...and will act upon such commentary. While Sony is to be commended I am keeping my still shining Gold Star winner a7r...until the a7rIII hits or a new a99II, my d750 does all this a7rII can do except 4k.

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armandino

@MDRCHINA
If you invested yourself in the A7R I might understand you might not want to upgrade already. However the A7RII is a completely different monster and there is so much more it can do compared to the A7R, not just 4K.

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surlezi

This long awaited review is already buried below 6 minor news (LR update, D5 possibility in an unknown future, G5X gallery...)...
It doesn't even make the headline because it's occupied by roundups announcement.

Those pretending DPR favors Sony have noticed, of course.

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Richard Shih

It's featured on top at the moment...

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surlezi

Yes, I see that, it was not the case one hour ago. So finally DPR really favors Sony ! ;)

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Richard Shih

Yup. Tin foil hats on!

But truthfully we try to highlight larger pieces of content like this for a few days after publication because as you saw, things get buried by the mundane and trivial (don't hate me, Nikon!). :P

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Rishi Sanyal

Well at least we now know our pro-Nikon bias doesn't come from you, Richard...

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joe_leads

Today I looked through the viewfinder of a Canon 6D and was so shocked by that tiny and primitive focus area. You're getting so used to all the benefits this great camera system brings to you.

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Lawn Lends

Canon intentionally nerfed the focus area on the 6d to avoid cannibalization of the 5d line. So the 6d focus area really doesnt represent what the company can do. It represents a marketing decision.

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steelhead3

The days of trying not to cannibalize more expensive models are over; a camera company should build the best it can for a certain price point (only Pentax buys into that philosophy).

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Lawn Lends

@steelhead3 I hope you are right. Also, I would add that Joe_leads is comparing a camera body that can be bought now for about a third of what the a7r2 costs. So... oranges and apples.

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steelhead3

Canon is really pushing...Adorama is giving a free Samsung TV with a 5dIII

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GaryJP

Then that would be Adorama. Not Canon.

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joe_leads

@Lawn Lends Look at the focus area of the A7 II for comparison then, if that is more apples to apples for you. The CDAF area covers almost the complete frame.

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Lawn Lends

joe, since the 6d costs about a third of what the A7r2 costs, wouldnt it be fair if the focus area were about a third the size of the Sony's focus area. You are comparing two cameras which share only the sensor size, their prices put them into different classes. So if you want to compare apples and apples, compare the focus area of a 5ds/r to the a7r2.

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Mr Low Notes

It ought to. The A7R II cost about 3 times more than a 6D. Not to mention the watered down 11 point AF the 6D has doesn't help it's cause either. The 6D is still a good camera for the price. Not everybody can afford the A7R II.

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joe_leads

Again, the A7 II is in the same price range as the 6D and has a similar AF field spread as the A7R II.

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Lawn Lends

This thread is about the A7rII. So unless you are comparing the A7II to the A7rII, you are OT discussing the A7II in comparison to the 6d.

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tonymiabmw

I love this camera, Very well deserved. Anyone who complains about this camera is doing something wrong.

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Esstee

Like the speed of the camera's functions?

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armandino

No camera is perfect. This is still an exceptional tool if you learn to work with it.

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Esstee

Oh I agree armandino, I'm just trying to figure out how someone could be doing something wrong if they complain about the camera functions being slow to respond. :)

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veroman

Seems to me that the review is better than the camera. I know some photogs swear by this line of Sony cams, but the ergonomics, buttons, menus, A/F and overall "feel" of these cams just isn't up there with the best DSLRs. Yeah, the bodies are svelt, but with a couple of those big, fast Sony zooms and primes coming along for the ride, you've got yourself a pretty hefty, heavy, bulky package. What's the point? High IQ? Megapixels? High IQ and megapixels are the easy part these days. Making a camera that will last a lifetime ... as they did in the film days ... is what's really needed; that along with a camera that gets all of the basics right. Hmmmm ... like a Leica?

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Magnar W

Why pack an already outated sensor and yesterday's technology in a camera that will last for 100 years or more? With a small camera you can build a compact system if needed, or a highest quality/bright & heavy lens system if this suits your needs. Balancing problems, you said? Just hold the lens/camera combo correctly and there will never be such a problem. To the point: a small camera means flexibility.

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GaryJP

Hmm. I don't often see people arguing FOR deliberate planned obsolescence.

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armandino

@veroman
Somewhat true however the facts are that this camera is so good that makes photographers put up with its quirks. I leave now my 1DX, 5DIII, and Pentax 645D at home unless I am shooting sports. The 645D is literally collecting dust.

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Eric Hensel

Film cameras won't last a lifetime, either, when used the way we use digital cams (I shot 15,000 images last year). The sensor in this Sony will be completely obsolete in 5 years anyway.

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TORN

Yes, middle class body with lots of candy built in. That is my impression as well. In addition most of my Canon lenses did not run sufficiently well or at all on it. Far away from "as good as on the DSLR". Plus forget about small. My favourite lenses make nearly no difference compared to my DSLR at all. Make the body worthwhile and remove the long list of issues and restrictions. Then we start tslking again.

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pacnwhobbyist

An interesting thing to do is go to your local camera shop - ask to handle the A7r II and try it out. Then ask to see the Nikon D750 and try that out. In that order.

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marshwader

Or any other Dslr of your choice. I agree with the order.

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mick232

Why would you want the poor salesperson to unbox the A7rii twice? Start with the D750, move to the A7rii and you will stick with it anyway.

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pacnwhobbyist

I mention this because this is what I did recently at my local camera purveyor. I guess a lot of people would naturally assume that the A7r II would win out between the two because of its size. But actually, and I don't think I would be alone in this conclusion, I liked the D750 a lot better for its overall shooting design. I could imagine that an entire day with the D750 would be a much more pleasant experience than with the A7R II for a number of reasons. Despite the IQ advantage of the latter. Maybe that's just me.

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Ed Ingold

Admit it, Pac, you just want something with a built-in flash.

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Magnar W

Ergonomy is mostly what you get used with. It took me a while to adopt from DSLR system to the A7. I think I would have experienced the same if I went the other way around. After using the A7 a lot, I am for sure not going back to a DSLR system. I am using lenses ranging from 16 mm to 400 mm + teleconverter. Handling and balance is just fine. Also, I bring this camera much more often with me than I did with the large and bulky DSLR.

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pacnwhobbyist

Ed, having one is nice, I'll admit. But not a deal breaker.

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steelhead3

Then look at the plastic build and cheap shutter box of the 750 and the A7rII will feel like a Leica.

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new boyz

D750 has the same sensor as the A7. Maybe we should compare D750 to A7, not the A7r2. A7r2 is newer, but A7 is cheaper now. Price could sway a buying decision.

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armandino

@pacnwhobbyist
the choice is not so trivial. If you stop at the ergonomics and responsiveness then sorry I will stick with my 1DX and not even glance at the D750.
However a tool is also what allow you to do with it. Some things you can do with the D750 that you cannot with A7RII, but there are even more the way around.

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Dimit

Sony A7rii is imho the best camera one can buy today but not the best money can buy..

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exapixel

I conclude that one has to buy the A7Rii with something other than money, then.

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RStyga

@ Dimit - What is the best camera money can buy, in your opinion?

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Lanski

Some of the early reports on this camera raised an issue over a noise problem at high ISO when using exposure times in excess of a second. The theory was that the IBIS setup was impeding the heat sinking and the sample shots looked pretty bad.

Rishi/DPR - did you test this and if so what were the findings?

Anyone - did I miss it in the review?

If true, it would still be a great camera for the majority of users but it could really be a deal breaker for fans of astro etc.

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Lanski

Anyone? I've been excited about this camera for ages and this (and the actual sharpness performance of Canon lenses via Metabones) was the big question I was waiting to answer. Can't believe I'm the only one (but can believe I've missed something - I'm no expert).

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bwana4swahili

A very fair review of a great camera!

Prior to Nov. 2013 I had been a Canon/Pentax user for decades. I now own the Sony A7R, A7S, A7 II and A7R II, and will never go back to a DSLR.

The A7R II is a vast improvement over the original A7R, as was the A7 II over the A7. I'm anxiously waiting to see how Sony's firmware update for the A7 II performs.

bwa

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Average User

Adding my endorsement for this camera for guys like me. There are so many really big improvements over the A7r... important focus fixes - Silent shutter, faster more accurate phase detect, and especially IBIS - mean average shooters can get stellar quality more consistently. But other improvements are also huge...dynamic range is way improved over the full normal range of commonly used ISO levels. Jpeg images up to 6400 ISO are much better--much less noise-- totally useable for all but the most demanding purposes. Sum total, for me, this is the best all round camera ever, period.
Complaints about dials, menus etc. are all things that users can get used to working with. And there are, as the review points out, some areas where improvements could be made. But these are conveniences for which work arounds can be found. Average users like me who can afford this camera, will love it.

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jkgal

A good review.
I can't help thinking though that because DPReview is owned by Amazon, they have a vested interest in getting photographers to switch systems and constantly buy new gear.
If you're planning a switch from DSLR to Sony, and you make money off your photography, you'd be wise to test the A7RII first, extensively, in the hand.

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Barney Britton

"I can't help thinking though that because DPReview is owned by Amazon, they have a vested interest in getting photographers to switch systems and constantly buy new gear."

False. But I'm glad you liked the review!

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mr.izo

false what exactly? amazon is not an owner? they're not interested in selling photo gizmos (among other stuff) and dpreview is not also a marketing platform?

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surlezi

And last ! Thank you DPR team for this review.

Can't wait for the 5DSR review to make a choice, I guess that it's just around the corner with the end of year roundups !

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Camley

Thanks. An excellent and very useful review. I haven't worked my way through it all but I am sure that you know that it's easy to move the focus point over the subject using the rear controller buttons. This is made much more convenient by setting the center rear controller button to "Standard". Apologies if this is covered in the review.

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Rishi Sanyal

Our point is that you shouldn't have to first press a button to then activate a 4-way dial for AF point selection. It should always be immediately available.

Especially when you also consider our observation that sometimes when you press a button - especially that center rear controller button - the camera just doesn't 'listen', or the button isn't actually pressed, meaning you may start using that 4-way controller thinking you activated AF point selection, but you actually haven't, so you end up, say, activating Drive Mode by pressing Left.

A direct controller has no such issues, and removes this extra layer that adds to the disconnected experience of moving the AF point. Of course, directly being able to touch the area you want to focus would be even better...

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lawamainn

Gimme some money!!!!! ;-D

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Antony John

Congratulations Sony on raising the bar yet again.
It's insightful to read this review against DPR's D810 review for comparison.

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buitenkunst

Very nice review. I do not understand one thing. You wrote: No direct AF point control… Isn’t this a major drawback? I mean, how can you take good pictures when there’s no controle over your focus point? This must be a mistake?

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Juhaz

By "direct" they mean a control that can be dedicated to just moving AF point.

You can control your focus point with A7r2 of course, but you need to press a button to activate the point selection and then use the dials or the read wheel/d-pad, which the reviewer(s) apparently feel is too slow.

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JaimeA

Good, positive review, insightful, detailed and carefully done. But the photographs! They do a terrible injustice to the camera. Looking like a compendium of friends’ portraits on a trek to a lousy outdoors, many are overexposed, blurry and all horribly composed. There are no corners visible where one can check the sharpness or the resolution. There is no grand interior or for that matter exterior view to appreciate the virtues of the camera. If the review presents a most desirable, superb camera, the photographs shown give it a resounding lie. A friend of ours commented on how nobody on the editorial board thought of removing the offensive image of a man shoving the sole of his shoe to the viewer.
We tested the camera in the Sony showroom in New York (Madison Avenue). Based on that and now amply corroborated by dpreview’s review we will buy a couple.

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FuhTeng

I'm looking forward to you showing us how a master uses this camera.

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Barney Britton

Oh you tested it in a shop? Cool.

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Joseph Black

Barney, how is the fact that he held it in a shop in any way an invalidation of his critique of the samples gallery? The two topics are completely unrelated to each other. Poor paragraphing perhaps, but his point sounded a little bit like "this looks like someone's Facebook gallery rather than a review site's samples gallery." Cue a snide remark to reinforce the point. I don't think he's commenting on whether the pictures are good images or not, artistically speaking, but rather on whether or not they are useful from the standpoint of demonstrating what the camera is capable of technically in a real world scenario. You have test shots that are a great indication of certain abilities, but do you do those test shots at different focal lengths, different distances, different apertures to really give a real sense of ability? Maybe you should...I honestly have never understood why test shots are always done varying the ISO variable and graphs replace every other variable.

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Joseph Black

Ironic that he complimented the entire review and only had a negative thing to say about the samples and yet got the reaction he did.
And I get why test shots aren't done a one distance varying aperture, focal length, and ISO; then one aperture varying distance, focal length, and ISO; then one.....you get it. It's because that would be an enormous undertaking and a huge amount of data and there's no end to varying distances. However, if someone just did test shots they could really become efficient at creating a much more comprehensive test scene comparison tool. Maybe that's overkill.

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Joseph Black

JaimeA, what are you talking about someone shoving the sole of their shoe at the camera? I see a picture of a guy with his foot up on a table and in the foreground, but is that offensive to your culture? In a good majority of the western world shoes aren't seen as an offensive symbol or object. I will say that using cultural norms to censor the media is found to be offensive, but even we still manage to do that most of the time. :)

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JaimeA

Having an arsenal of Sony equipment purchased at Sony [Madison Avenue] we were able to bring and use a Sirui tripod for the test. The camera was fitted with the Zeiss 24-70mm. Exposures were done with a 2-second delay by self-timer for minimum vibration. The showroom has floor-to-ceiling windows facing the street and a 3-floor high ceiling full of shiny railings to fit showroom lights. The result is a space that has plenty of contrast and detail and straight lines from top to bottom. Examining the images later, everything stated in the Review is confirmed. A great camera with an outstanding dynamic range.

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Joseph Black

JaimeA, it's almost like you have some idea of what you're doing.

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dynaxx

Unnecessary, unprofessional, patronising, snide response from Barney. Please withdraw it.

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Barney Britton

No-one has a sense of humor anymore, do they? Testing cameras in shops is fine - I took some of my first pictures in shops...

Point being, if someone is really, seriously trying to argue that the samples in this review are "lousy... overexposed... blurry... [and] horribly composed" to the point of doing "a terrible injustice to the camera", I really don't know what to tell them. I would hope that anyone who's looked closely at both the samples and Raw files which can be found throughout this review would have plenty to go on.

The shot of the guy with his feet on the table is a pretty good demo of the sensor's dynamic range. (Which is why it was taken)

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dynaxx

It looked to me like sarcasm but I take back my comments if it was not.

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Barney Britton

Of course it was sarcasm! But it was intended light-heartedly. In contrast to the less than polite comment to which I was responding...

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RJD79

is there no C-Af (be it stills or movies) with an LA-EA3 adapter? i thought there was.

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Stephen787

85mm lens on Nikon D810. 55m lens on A7Rii, not 90mm. It is easier to make a wonderful 85mm than a 55mm. I know it is just sort of a reference. A bias reference, i can explain why nikon photo seem sharper. But does everyone know that? Maybe. Maybe not. I think probably not.

There are opus 85mm for nikon and sony mount. Why not use that twin lenses for all camera. So dpreview get two 85mm OPUS. One nikon and one canon. All camera use the same lens, whenever possible.

Comparing photo using one lens 85mm and another at 55mm is unfair.

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Joe Van Wyk

What might this rating predict about the upcoming RX1Rii?

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dynaxx

You assume there will be a full review but DPR does not give fixed lens cameras ( first impressions for the Leica Q was 5 months back ) the space they warrant.

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darngooddesign

Hopefully Sony is forcing Canon to release a Pro version of the SL1. That way people who like DSLRs can get a top performing but small camera.

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Mike Sandman

DSLRs have one set of capabilities and a mirrorless has an overlapping but different set. For example, it's hard to imagine a DSLR that could accept a very wide range of non-native lenses. On the other hand, DSLRs have the advantage of having optical viewfinders It would be very interesting to see a pro DSLR the size of a Canon SL1, but it wouldn't match the 7RII's full set of capabilities, just as Sony can't match the Nikon 810 in every way.

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technomad

"Introduces on-sensor phase detection AF". Lazy and ignorant writing - Olympus would be rather surprised by that statement

3 upvotes
Thunder123

Full Frame sensor

2 upvotes
Richard Butler

With respect, you've not only selectively quoted the first part of a sentence, but you've also edited the fragment you've repeated.

The full quote would be:

"The a7R II also introduces disruptive on-sensor phase detection AF, with the widest coverage of any full-frame camera, precise focus on eyes, professional AF results in video, and the ability to focus non-native lenses."

It's stating that this implementation is disruptive and then explains why.

Also, why would Olympus be surprised by that statement? Off the top of my head, I think it was Fujifilm that first introduced on-sensor PDAF.

13 upvotes
HFLM

@ Butler: I think the Nikon 1 system had it first. They even advertise it as as such.

0 upvotes
zubs

Read through a lot of comments. The negative ones are mainly Canikon users me thinks. Yes this camera is not ideal for sports, if that was the main requirement then spend 10k on a Canon. The fact is Sony has rewritten the rules of photography, and provided a range of camera's other than A7rII that have awesome capabilities and knock the socks off competitors. Many can't deal with what Sony have done and are probably feeling insecure with what they have. I was a Canon user for a long time, I switched to Sony as it suits my requirements far beyond what Canon could offer. My A-mount SLT performs brilliantly for me, hopefully at some point I may move to full frame. Canon has been on the throne as king for a long time, a Sony revolution is taking place.... Innovation is champion, and at the moment Canon isn't doing much of it.

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Joseph Black

"Rewritten the rules of photography"? "A Sony revolution"? Wow, what a seething cauldron of hyperbole and self-delusion. Someone can make a good camera without it being the second coming of Christ. Someone can compliment a good camera without glossing over its flaws. You don't appear to be that person.

8 upvotes
No Mirror No Problem

I believe that many people attack Sony cameras in order to justify their decision to stay with Cannon or Nikon. I desire more competition in the Camera market, because that competition will breed excellence. I may use the Sony Mirrorless system because of how well it performs, but I have a great deal of respect for other companies. It is a big sandbox and there is room for all to play.

2 upvotes
GaryJP

Or maybe they stay with Canon or Nikon on the basis of a considered decision. What the heck is the matter with people here? The football fan mentality of this place is pathetic.

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enenzo

2015 Roundups: Fixed Prime Lens Cameras:
Best overall/best for video: The Sony Cyber-shot RX1R II

2015 Roundup: Advanced Zoom Compacts:
Overall winner / Best for video: Sony Cyber-shot RX100 IV

2015 Roundup: Interchangeable Lens Cameras $500-800:
Best Overall/Best Value: The Sony a6000

And product of the year:
Sony A7R II

What a year Sony. It must be a bit hard to be a Canikon these days ;-) Still - let's hope that Canon soon will have a response.

19 upvotes
Azathothh

EISA awards:
EUROPEAN PROFESSIONAL DSLR LENS 2015-2016
Canon EF 11-24mm F/4L USM

EUROPEAN PROFESSIONAL DSLR CAMERA 2015-2016
Canon EOS 5DS/5DS R

EUROPEAN PROSUMER DSLR CAMERA 2015-2016
Canon EOS 7D Mark II

EUROPEAN CONSUMER DSLR CAMERA 2015-2016
Nikon D5500

;)

4 upvotes
ZeneticX

erm that's because sony don't make DSLR anymore?

EUROPEAN PROFESSIONAL COMPACT SYSTEM CAMERA 2015-2016
Sony a7 II

EUROPEAN COMPACT SYSTEM LENS 2015-2016
Sony FE 90mm f2.8 Macro G OSS

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24 upvotes
darngooddesign

Sony has the A-Mount.

1 upvote
Michael Ma

Problem with EISA is that they are missing a professional non-DSLR non-Compact category and their DSLR categories are outdated for cameras of today. The full frame mirrorless flagship cameras don't fit any of their categories.

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2 upvotes
TheGreatfulBread

Just a note that the a6000 came out in Spring of 2014

0 upvotes
ozturert

Read the review again. Definitely will wait for discounts :) 3200$ is just too much for me (but maybe OK for others).

4 upvotes
Ziad joseph

Add to that the cost of good lenses if you do not have satisfactory 3rd party lenses worthy of it like I do. it is simply just too expensive for rme. It is without a doubt class leading along with the Nikon D750 in my opinion but I simply cannot afford either. I will humble for the crappy 7d or 6d and some top notch L glass.

0 upvotes
naththo

Yeah I reckon it is far too expensive at the moment ozturert. Not a point to buy yet till price is dropping nicely or when USD is back to normal after woeful exchange rate at this latest down to disgusting 0.71 per $1 AUD. Sick of market exchange greed. Waiting for it to go back to normal.

1 upvote
kty

Nice cam for sure, but i have to wait for the A7r III !!

Why?

Because A7r II's will get cheaper by then on.

And they will still be superb!

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2 upvotes
KW Phua

Waiting for mirrorless lens. Mirror lens are too big to fit with mirrorless camera.

2 upvotes
straylightrun

28/2, 35/2.8, 55/1.8, 85/1.8 and 16-35/4.

7 upvotes
KW Phua

Small camera big lens?

0 upvotes
Jonath

Big lens, if you want, small lens and small camera if you want that too - with some obvious compromises.

4 upvotes
leifurh

I think the OP wants lenses to shrink with the body size regardless of aperture and sensor size. If anyone can rewrite the laws of physics then that's probably Sony - but still ... :-)

2 upvotes
Esstee

I agree with this.
Pentax did a good making lenses were both small and very good performing.

1 upvote
Ed Ingold

My Nikon f/2.8 zooms fit on an A7, but after trying them, I'll take a pass. Once you start getting images sharp in the corners and even sharper in the center, there's no going back. My largest Sony lens, a 70-200/4, is 7" long and 3" in diameter - about the length of a Nikon 28-70/2.8 and an inch less in diameter.

0 upvotes
T3

Not sure what the big deal is. We've used big lenses on DSLRs for decades. Ever put a 70-200/2.8 on a DSLR? Those are big lenses. Much larger than the DSLR bodies we put them on. Have you seen the size of Nikon's latest 24-70/2.8E ED VR? That's a massive lens, especially for a 24-70 range:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#486.479,ha,t

But with proper handholding technique (left hand supporting the lens), it really doesn't matter how much larger the lens is compared to the body. You just need to learn proper camera-holding technique.

3 upvotes
tombell1

Case sensitive ... Pentax DO make lenses .. small good but although I love them they are slow

0 upvotes
Debankur Mukherjee

where is the low light performance with the studio test scene setup...

0 upvotes
Esstee

At the widget?

0 upvotes
Debankur Mukherjee

got it.........

0 upvotes
Mais78

Looking forward to buying the next iteration, when hopefully they will get the ergonomics right.

2 upvotes
Angrymagpie

How is it not right now? I find it to be very comfortable hold and all the dials and buttons are very reach to reach. The only thing I prefer ergonomically over it would be the E-M1, and not by much.

5 upvotes
Mais78

I consider Canon in a different league in terms of ergonomics. I love the specs of this camera but it still feels like a toy, not something made for photographers.

BTW ergonomics has already improved a lot vs previous model. They are getting there.

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Angrymagpie

Not really sure why you would get this impression. So when you use a D810 (or a DSLR not made by Canon), you also feel like it's a toy?
Just to understand this a bit more, is this a matter of weight (or lack of)? Is this a matter of placement of dials or buttons? Is this built quality? Personally the only thing I dislike about the camera are its front and rear dials - they are a little too recessed to my preference (I like the mark I dials better). But other than that, I don't feel that it is any worse than other higher-end DSLRs.
As the matter of fact, the smaller footprint actually makes using it a bit nostalgic as it reminds me of the Nikon FM2.

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Mais78

D810 definitely not a toy, even though i prefer canon ergonomics and the no frills commands and menus.

It is a matter of placement of button and dials, and their quality. And the grip (even though the new one is much better).
Just does not feel it was made by photographers for photographers.

0 upvotes
Esstee

Have you tried the A99?
Based on this, I'd say it isn't for Sony's lack of know how as this was clearly demonstrated on their Alpha mount bodies.

1 upvote
Angrymagpie

I guess it really boils down to personal preference. I have no issue with what Sony's doing with the ergonomics at all. In fact, all the dials & buttons are well-made and logically placed. The grip is fantastic. I do have some reservation about the quality of the rubberised parts of the body as the one I have on the older A7 has began to peel off after only 2 years of use.
Sony's menu is not the best, but I also find it to be quite serviceable most of the time (though the unexplained grey-out can be annoying). It is certainly much better than the lunacy that is Olympus' menu.

0 upvotes
D200_4me

The Sony cameras sure generate a lot of comments....both good and bad.

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Zakzoezie

Its a consumer toy (with still lots of technical flaws) priced as a pro camera. For what you get, price for this toy is outrageous. Same counts for the Sony & Zeiss lenses. Both Sony & Zeiss introduced several incomplete lens lines in low capacity production, instead of one complete lens line in high capacity production. Furthermore, today there is simply no competition within e-mount lens business with other brands producing autofocus lenses and common focal lengths. This is all done to maintain premium prices and milk the consumers ... so no thanks for the offer. But hey maybe one positive note to end this, all this mirrorless tech attempts that are sold will maybe one day become mature thanks to the early adopters actually buying this. And then we can still jump the wagon when all technical flaws are resolved and prices are at an acceptable level thanks to some more healthy competition ...

14 upvotes
dynaxx

I believe, sincerely, @Zakzoezie that every one's opinion is worth listening to but the motivation for your post is baffling.

Your unsubstantiated diatribe is appended to a substantial camera evaluation by a team of professional experts who have ( slowly ) come to the opposite conclusion ; most of us will tolerate flaws in a camera that takes superb photo's/video's as this one does.

You are right on one thing ; the high-end Sony cameras are expensive but the recent R&D expenditure that allows Sony to make these groundbreaking products has to be balanced with profitability. If their stream of enhancements ever abates, I am sure we will see cheaper cameras.

You don't say where you think the "healthy competition" for Sony's mirrorless range will come from but if the Canikon teams are as unimaginative in their industrial espionage as they are in everything else, you will have a long wait.

29 upvotes
enenzo

Maybe you should read the review again? And wake up... this is the best camera to get right now :-) End of story.

26 upvotes
Jonath

If its a consumer toy and I were Canikon, I'd be really really worried, imagine if they built a 'pro' version, how much better would that be than their products?

16 upvotes
Samuel Almick

It's actually a pretty high quality camera.

2 upvotes
Jokica

...today there is simply no competition within e-mount lens business with other brands producing autofocus lenses and common focal lengths.
LOL, are you serious?
Sony is made possible to use AF Canon lenses on Sony body!!! Show me Canon body that can accommodate Sony lenses with AF, please.

4 upvotes
enenzo

Sony is making a Pro version... it will come out in 2016.

0 upvotes
Esstee

This could be viewed as a positive also. As it goes to show that Sony has much room for refinements in their product development.

0 upvotes
T3

I think people who feel the need to call these cameras "a consumer toy" are acting like children, haha.

As for you comment, "Both Sony & Zeiss introduced several incomplete lens lines"...how many companies introduced "complete lens lines" right from the start? The Sony FF mirrorless system is only barely two years old (it was introduced in October 2013).

6 upvotes
Zakzoezie

@Esstee This is exactly what I'm saying. Because we are early days, for mirrorless tech there is still so much room for improvement that we should be aware of before spending $$$$. Certainly when big improvements can still to be made in the main areas of camera operation like user interaction (menu system, body ergonomics, button layout, software run speed, overheating control, etc), AF system, battery system, parallel processing to separate images shown on the fast live view (visible on EVF or backscreen) from what is written slowly into memory & SD ... Personally I don't care about brand names or camera scores. I simply look at the price/value ratio of the complete system including desired lenses and camera. Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate DPR team efforts reviewing all these cameras to have better insight in the camera capabilities, but to be honest I couldn't care less about their final score ... It's up to the user to give a score because he or she is spending the $$$$ ...

0 upvotes
Zakzoezie

@T3 "Time on market" has no relation with lens availability. Read my initial comment again. You have Sony lens line, Zeiss Batis and Zeiss Loxia. 3 different lens lines at low production capacity. If they would have started with one lens line at higher production capacity ie Zeiss Batis you would have today a wide range and consistent lens setup.
About your intro sentence, it's simply not worth giving any further attention. It's a photography blog, not a psycho blog so please stay on topic ...

0 upvotes
dynaxx

.... and what has the E mount lens range to do with this camera review topic ?

0 upvotes
buellom

One question: What was the experience regarding IQ with adapted lenses? The adapter (depending on its quality) might introduce tilt and shift or general softness. Any experience with this?

2 upvotes
badi

there are a lot of discussion about this on the net... it is a fairly complex subject. In short, it all depends on what lenses you want to use, but *generally* SLR lenses with a good quality adapter (like the metabones, for ex) you get the same IQ as on native bodies.

0 upvotes
osv

adapters can't alter the path of light going through the lens, so there is no loss of resolution... "general softness" is fud.

there could be a very small amount of tilt, but do canon tilt/shift lenses look "soft"? i think not.

0 upvotes
aris14

This babe is the cam that clarifies and distinguishes needs and niches.
It will sure lead some DSLRs (especially those in the PS niche) in extinction thus making the DSLR niche to aim to people who really need them and know how to use it (along with some low quality glasses out there).
[Don't forget that today's flagships DSLRs surpass by far the range of use that film DSLRs used to cover).
It will make all the major manufacturers to follow.
It enhances the niche of MF43 and F43.
In conjunction with new sensors coming or to come it will also benefits other niches too (rangefinders, enthusiast compact and bridge cams).
Available cams today suffer only in one major sector: ergonomics and handling mainly due the established habits of users followed by the perception of build quality stereotypes). The solutions to the issue of overheating in general as well that of batteries' life are available at the moment, they just cost too much.
And dear manufacturers, give more attention to GUI.

0 upvotes
KiboOst

Nice review of a very nice camera for sure!
Anyway, I would have seen better talking/comparison about bulb long exposure at iso100 between A7R and A7RII. A7RII seems definitely worst (hot pixels, noise, color speckles) and this have to be addressed.
Having only Canon lenses, A7RII would be a nice update, but doing mainly long exposure I keep A7R :/

0 upvotes
Rishi Sanyal

I believe this has been addressed. Our first, early firmware unit had an issue, but none of our subsequent two, with updated firmware, did.

1 upvote
KiboOst

reading A7RII users, this is not addressed at all. Still hard anyway to know for sure and in which degree.

0 upvotes
ozturert

Excellent sensor, great electronics, bad UI, bad ergonomics (not "bad" bad but worse than other cameras in the same price range and worse than other top-of-the-line mirrorless crowd), not as robust as I expect it to be from a $3000+ camera.
I expect the A7 line to be at the same level of DSLRs in 4th generation (A7R IV). But then DSLRs need to wait and do not improve (which they don't anyway).

1 upvote
Esstee

Agreed. Oh and the operating speed also needs addressing imo.

0 upvotes
lynnG

Simply compare those samples images in dpreview website viewing at 100%, Images in low ISO from Sony A7RII appears very noisy whilst Canon 5DsR images are super smooth, particularly in blue sky at ISO100.

0 upvotes
enenzo

Well if I look at the Studio test scene the Sony blast away all others. Agree?

3 upvotes
lynnG

I do not agree. Sony only has advantage in high ISO. The images form low ISO remind me the old Minolta A2. When they move up from 5 MP to 8 MP. The sky is more or less like the current A7Rii. I just wonder if 42MP really has claimed high pixel quality. Nex 7 has similar problem. Just look at the current 24 MP pictures from Canon and Nikon. The sky is as smooth as silk.

1 upvote
enenzo

Ok? So if you look at this link you do not think the Sony A7R II has the best IQ at base ISO?

http://enenzo.dk/www/temp/studio-test.png

3 upvotes
Esstee

This is likely OCC settings as RAW file samples are pretty much identical across the board.

1 upvote
Livio Spallone

I borrowed this camera and tried it for an afternoon but was unable to adapt to the viewfinder blackout time.
The review mention this problem but it should state clearly that it is worse than many other cheaper mirroless camera and about two time bigger than the Sony rx100 iv :" EVF/LCD blackout, and the stop-motion succession of last-shot images during 5 fps shooting means it's difficult to follow fast subjects during bursts"

0 upvotes
IvanM

So I reckon the 5DsR will come in with a possible high of 82% or a low of 79%....no?

1 upvote
Operator

Featured Review - DPR you are so disappointing :-/
What's the price for every % point the manufacture can buy? Make it at least transparent ...

0 upvotes
Rishi Sanyal

This may be news to you, but we 'feature' every review we ever publish...

38 upvotes
Ramjager

You mean you are feathered don't you Rishi?
You have a camera which can't track an iceberg and it's given one of the highest scores ever.
The AF is unusable for many uses people buy a camera of this value expect it and it SHOULD be able to do.
Yea I just spent 3K on a camera that I can't use for tracking my son on a soccer ground...awesome.
Sorry the review is another fan boy review iPod there awesome new EVF toy.
Just don't try and shoot anything moving and please a steady moving cyclist is NO test of an AF system.

1 upvote
The Squire

Tracking - The last argument of the DSLR die-hards.

"But... tracking.... Mirrorless can't... do... tracking " <croak>

7 upvotes
autochrome

@Ramjager Heaven forbid if you ever have to use manual focus lenses, that would be so 19th century.

4 upvotes
Jonath

Current Sony mirrorless complaint trends:
Trending up: Battery Life, Overheating, AF-C / Sports / Action
Stable: Lens range, Price, Consumer Electronics co. / they're not worthy
Trending down: Lossy RAW, 4k in body
Let me know if I've missed something.

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7 upvotes
Esstee

Just to clarify, I've taken many pics of Icebergs with the A7R II and it tracked very well. :)

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6 upvotes
Rishi Sanyal

@Ramjager: Next time, please read the review, & stop trolling our site. As we showed in numerous videos & rollovers, the camera depth tracks incredibly fast, has a high hit rate doing so even in continuous drive (see all rollovers here), and can actually track subjects around the frame better than most DSLRs. Not to mention can track faces and eyes better than any DSLR, and doesn't have any of the focus accuracy issues DSLRs have, making focus with fast primes actually easier than what you'll experience with DSLRs.

Your comments show a complete lack of understanding of the nuances of various systems, misleads readers, and completely ignores everything we've presented with our well vetted and thorough tests. Loudly shouting what you apparently wish to be true despite all objective evidence to the contrary isn't an acceptable way to interact with our site.

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Rishi Sanyal

Also, one thing that's poorly understood is that a close subject moving many multiples of the DOF of a 35mm FOV at F1.4 is actually more stressful than an object moving at X mph really, really far away shot with a telephoto lens. Because it's the fraction/multiple of the DOF a subject is moving per unit time that matters. The fraction of change in distance relative to the DOF can be greater for an erratically moving baby/kid than a sports player far away and, so, can sometimes be one of the most stressful tests of an AF system + lens focus motor.

And we've done that exact sort of shootout - close distance subject with shallow DOF fast primes - with the a7R II vs top competitor DSLRs.

And you'll never guess who the clear winner was... We'll publish those results shortly.

What's odd to me is that often when something is disruptive, there are always those that simply refuse to accept the results. It's so hard to believe, I suppose, that some would rather just not believe.

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TORN

Handles and feels like a middle class camera, awful dials and buttons, fails with most of my Canon glas. Sony, please try again. But please, next time make it fun to use.

Sure, the sensor is awesome. And the technology built in is impressive.

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6 upvotes
dgywft

Speak for yourself, I ditched my 5D MIII and haven't looked back.

19 upvotes
bakanecko

"fails with most of my Canon glas" autofocus with 3rd party brand is actually a big big bonus but of course never expect it to work flawlessly. it's just our expectation is too high.

7 upvotes
Angrymagpie

Middle class camera? What's wrong with that? If you don't like us middle class here, you should probably just stick to your hoity-toity gold-plated Leica or something.

8 upvotes
nk4002r

Nice review, but I think there is a mistake right here on the front page. In the Sony Sony a7 II review, it is noted as Magnesium Alloy - better construction than the original a7, which is composite. Now, the A7II has been downgraded to composite again? As far as I understand Sony's documentation, the A7r II has only improved externally that the mode dial has a lock and that the EVF magnifying glass have Zeiss coating and tweaked to give bigger magnification of the same lcd module. The body/housing is identical aside the other well documented internal differences.

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Absolutic

the biggest thing that bothers me on my A7RII is ridiculous battery life. I have a total of 8 batteries, but it is a headache to always remember which ones I have charged and which ones I have not.... battery goes down so quick..... not a good vacation camera because of that. I do have a grip too but the camera becomes too big then, I might as well bring my Canon DSLR or Sony SLT instead (and never worry about battery life). I wish Sony finds a space to put in a larger capacity battery in the next iteration of this camera.

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KAMBIC

Hogwash, you must be a troll..... Earlier today I mentioned how battery life was an issue and another guy mentions something about a kitten dying every time a battery is swapped.

Nobody is saying more batteries won't help but that would annoy me too, in fact it did. I used to have a GX7, had 6 batteries for it. It was a PITA. Having been on both sides of the fence I can honestly say battery life is a convenience that really makes shooting more enjoyable. I hate having to keep track of batteries and my battery icon.

2 upvotes
Arkienkeli

I have numbered all my batteries with a silver paint pen. Easier to keep track of them.

Fujifilm X-T1 also eats them up, it is the EVF...

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Rishi Sanyal

Battery life can certainly be an issue, particularly if you're shooting video, but I do wonder what some are doing that can lead to such vastly different experiences.

I shot for 6 days in the cold temperatures of Iceland, from sunrise to sunset (and I shoot the duration of each), and only on one day did I drain the 2nd battery down to ~2%. This meant I actually never even had to swap batteries during my entire day of shooting, since I had 2 loaded in the vertical grip.

Every night, at the hotel, I'd top up both batteries. Granted - they're new batteries.

I'm genuinely curious why some people appear to have such different experiences. Do you guys leave the camera on when not in use? I'd shoot throughout the day - I have thousands of images from the trip - so I don't think my scenario (travel) is vastly different from the one the OP is describing.

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ozturert

Rishi, it may be Sony's inadequate QC. My A6000's batteries drain incredibly fast, my friend's A6000 has double the battery life. I still keep A6000 due to its excellent sensor but use m4/3 system more.

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Gionni Dorelli

Battery life is an issue for those who work in advertising, wedding and fashion.
With the a900 i was able to do up to 8/900 captures per battery and if tethered i was doing about 1200.
For example on a fashion shooting day for a catalogue or an editorial of 8/10 pages, it is not unusual of doing +2000 captures. If you need of replacing the battery every 300 captures, it is a a pain in the neck, not mentioning when you will surely run out of charge in the middle of a photo at the worst possible moment. it is not even a matter of the cost of the extra batteries that can be bought for 10 dollars on eBay, it is just not a practical way of working. Battery is one of the several reasons why i did not buy any of these a7 series cameras.

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Eleson

I guess you tether over USB?
As this camera can charge over usb while using it, I guess it can do alot more than 1200. :)

I's say that it is a big plus that you can use any mobile power pack for charging while using it, and it mitigates most of the issues that short battery life introduces.

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ozturert

A7 does not charge during tethering (at least the one I had did not).

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Eleson

True, that's a 2nd gen feature afaik. I think all the ii's have it.

But granted, it vcould still be so that the port is used differently depending on whether it is used for tether or charging. I know charging and using works.

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Cihangir Gzey

Battery issue (especially when it has low current) is a big issue for such big cameras (drives big glass and powers the EVF). Spare batteries are always expensive & USB power pack is additional pack.
Sony chosen to be backwards compatible and went with the same FW50 (which is so small) for a camera with such a grown up hand grip. A7 had tiny grip but A7 RII has quite a grip to hide a much bigger battery. IMO it is a big mistake to go on with FW50. They need to use a bigger battery for A7 RIII.

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Gionni Dorelli

The a900 does not charge over usb.
the main reason why I can pull about 1200 shots on a charge while tethered, is that review is off.
Yet even untethered with review off and little chimping, you get up to 900 shots.
Probably with an a7 series and keeping review and LCD off if that is possible, you may get an extra 50/60 shots, but that is still not satisfactory.

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Cihangir Gzey

A900 is the old days' giant DSLR with a giant battery. You keep pushing the shutter on and on and on...
These new days' cameras (all of them regardless of brand and type) power the high speed CPU, EVF and high contrast LCD with tiny batteries and inevitably poor CIPA rates become PITA! :)
If SONY can't find a proper place inside that huge hand grip for a bigger battery (which will run a power hungry 4K enabled CPU and FF sensor... Ohh yes, also EVF and LCD as well), pardon me but the words I think right now can't be written here.
Low battery resulted with lower CPU speeds and lower buffer writing IMO. That's why Samsung NX1 doesn't suffer from such battery issues. It has bigger battery. NO BIG BATTERY POWER = NO BIG PERFORMANCE
It suffers from ergonomy, battery power, no AF with adapters and 3rd party lenses and some other issues that are mentioned as well.
As a result, we have a kind of Silver Awarded ILC here. My hardly earned 3000-$ and Canon lenses will wait next year(s).

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Esstee

Battery life is an issue - there's no doubting that. Especially when using lenses like a 150-600mm to which I'd add, battery life borders on down right scary (lol)

That said, I was pleased to discover that most of this was addressed with the addition of the grip, as this makes the A7R II battery life performance tolerable again. - Nowhere near great, but good enough to say that you no longer have to deal with the added stress of swapping out batteries mid event type of thing.

I'd also add that the grip transformed the A7R II from an overly small feeling camera, into a comfortable one. Which was a huge deal for me also. As I often found the camera by itself left my hands feeling cramped during longer periods of use.

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moawkwrd

I think Sony are probably regretting not using the FM-500H for these cameras. They aren't much bigger physically than the FW50 but have 50% more mAh.

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KAMBIC

@Gionni, this is basically how I have seen it. I'm not a pro but I spend a fare share of time analyzing things like this, and to some degree, I try to do things in a professional manner like one might if they were charging clients (many of my family shots have prompted friends to ask for me to shoot their kids and pets).

It's nice to know that my 2100+ shots on my D7000 will last me far more than one session, I don't even need to look at the battery meter. I don't need to have batteries jabbing me in my pockets. I don't have to worry I might miss a baby's smile bc I was changing a battery.

It seems like no big deal but longer battery life makes shooting more enjoyable. If it didn't matter I would guess there would be no reason to even rate battery life, yet here we are.

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tunisiaxxx

Excellent and thorough review. Plus, I always like when I get my own feelings and experience confirmed. Thanks for the effort.

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photomedium

What a great, extensive review!well done.

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