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Canon EOS Rebel T6s Review

June 2015 | By Dale Baskin and Rishi Sanyal

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Review based on a production Canon EOS T6s running firmware 1.0.0

The greatest Rebel yet. That's a phrase we mutter about once a year. This time, we really mean it, and by a factor of two. The Canon EOS Rebel T6s, as well as its companion, the T6i (known as the 760D and 750D outside of the US) both feature a new 24.2MP APS-C CMOS sensor (up from 18MP on the T5i / 700D) coupled with a new 7560 pixel RGB + IR metering sensor for more accurate metering. Although both cameras are very simiar there are also distinct differences, so each will get its own review. You can read about the T6i here .

Canon's new Hybrid CMOS AF III uses sensor-based phase detection points for increased focus speed and accuracy in live view. It also permits for Servo AF in live view, which lets you track moving subjects when shooting in live view. Canon claims that the performance of Hybrid CMOS III should be close to that of Dual Pixel AF (found in the EOS 70D and 7D II).

With the mirror down, the Rebels T6s uses the same 19-point phase detection AF as the 70D, which represents a vast improvement over the 9-point AF system in the T5i. The ISO range remains the same as its predecessor, 100-12800, expandable up to 25600.

EOS Rebel T6s (760D) key features

24.2MP APS-C CMOS sensor
19-point autofocus system
Hybrid CMOS AF III focus system (live view)
7560 pixel RGB + IR metering sensor with skin tone detection
3" fully articulating touchscreen LCD
Eye sensor for use with optical viewfinder
LCD information display on top plate
Quick control dial on rear
5 fps continuous shooting
1080/30p video
Servo AF in live view
Wi-Fi with NFC

Other advancements come in the form of built-in Wi-Fi with NFC - a first in the EOS DSLRs range - and Flicker detection, first seen in the Canon EOS 7D Mark II, which also makes its way into both models.

The camera also retains several features from the Rebel T5i, including a fully articulating 3" touchscreen LCD, 5 fps continuous shooting, and 1080/30p video.

Specs compared

While the T6s shares many core features with the T6i, the user experience on the T6s/760D is aimed toward more advanced users. The T6s will cost $100/£50/€60 more than the T6i, and offer users a nice list of features to make that extra money spent worth it. These include a a top LCD screen - the first on any Rebel - a Quick Control dial on the back, and an eye sensor to shut off the LCD panel when you're shooting with the viewfinder. The T6s also offers Servo AF in Live View which allows for continuous AF in burst mode. The final advantage is the T6s' ability to record HDR movies in real time, a potentially nifty feature for budding film makers.

Before we get to those differences in detail, let's see how the the T6s compares with the T6i, as well as the Rebel T5i (700D) that is now the low-end model in Canon's DSLR lineup.

	Canon T5i	Canon T6i	Canon T6s
Effective resolution	18MP	24.2MP
ISO range	100 - 12800 (expandable to 25600)
AF system	Hybrid CMOS AF	Hybrid CMOS AF III
AF points	9	19
Metering sensor	63-zone	7560 pixel RGB+IR
Continuous shooting	5 fps
Info screen on top plate	No		Yes
Quick control dial	No		Yes
Servo AF in live view	No		Yes
Video	1080/30p
Wi-Fi	No	Yes (with NFC)

Probably the biggest difference between the T6s and the T5i is the sensor. It's no secret that Canon has been using the same (or very similar) 18 Megapixel sensor since the Rebel T2i (EOS 550D). The new 24.2MP sensor catches up with the latest DSLRs from Nikon, Pentax, and Sony.

The other major addition is Wi-Fi with 'active' NFC. If you're using an NFC-equipped phone (iPhone 6's don't count) then you can tap it against the camera to pair. If you don't, it's not terribly difficult. Once that's done you can remotely control the camera from your phone, transfer photos, and then share them with friends and family. If you set up Canon's Image Gateway service you can choose where photos go (and add comments) right on the camera.

The T6s (right) offers several things over the T6i, including an LCD info display, locking mode dial, and quick control dial (not pictured).

Pricing and availability

The Rebel T6s (760D) is priced at $849/£649/€859 body only and $1199 bundled with an 18-135mm STM lens.

Available accessories include a battery grip (BG-E18), numerous viewfinder knick-knacks, and wired and wireless remotes. Both cameras will be available in April.

Canon EOS T6s / T6i overview video

If you're new to digital photography you may wish to read the Digital Photography Glossary before diving into this article (it may help you understand some of the terms used).

Conclusion / Recommendation / Ratings are based on the opinion of the reviewer, you should read the ENTIRE review before coming to your own conclusions.

We recommend to make the most of this review you should be able to see the difference (at least) between X, Y, and Z and ideally A, B, and C.

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Comments

Total comments: 468

Why does DPR think the locking dial is a good thing? I have 2 cameras, one with and one without. In 12 years of using digital cameras without a locking button I have never accidentally turned the dial. I find the lock on my newest (Sony A77ii) just an inconvenience.

I also noticed a photo that is supposed to be of the 760D is really the 750D. Bad proofing there DPR!!!

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So MODERATORS not angry posting people. I see this camera is just reviewed very well. I used to have an Nikon SLR, then a Canon Rebel xti DSLR. the xti died. I'm ready to move beyond point and shoot with a better camera. I want to really get into it... and the bundles with a 300mm lens look to be my limit money wise.

Now, I see that the similar Nikons are NOT good for sports according to this site's reviews. Is this the camera I should choose? I'll probably be using this camera for five or more years.

I'm shooting a great deal of sports shots for my children's college scout resumes, and take photos non stop. I want to become proficient and then maybe professional.

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If you will heavily do sports shots. I'd suggest going a little more for the 70D or even the 7D Mark II. If u want to spend a little less, The Original 7D is still a good choice despite its age.

With a little bit of post processing and extra care on your Raw files, the difference in image quality among these cameras will become negligible.

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I contacted a very successful professional photographer that I follow on the net and had a serious conversation with him. I bought the Nikon d7200. thank you for your time and consideration. I decided after all the time I'd spent thinking and waiting to make my purchase, I was goign to get the nicest one within reason. That d7200 was the limit of my "reason" LOL

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I would go with a higher end camera with more sophisticated AF such as the Canon 7Dii, Nikon D7200 or Sony A77ii. Entry level cameras like the Rebel are not the best for sports.

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The IN YOUR HAND image in the review is of the 750D, not the 760D.

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As much as people make fun it will hang in just fine with all other APSC and best all m4/3 in real photos...all day long - with good features for an ergonomic DSLR at it's price range. I understand it's a type of sport to go after Canon though.

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This NOT an ergonomic DSLR. The controls are horrid compared with my T3i. First the on switch includes a position for movie mode. It is very difficult to turn my T6s on without hitting the movie mode. It is also very difficult to use the lower dial. It is needed for eV adjustments so there is no choice. To use the lower dial downward pressure is needed and that activates the rockers and brings up unintended control settings. Bad, bad design and poor ergonomics.

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DPreview! You are holding a 750D "In your hand" (Body & Design) for the review of 760D! Not sure why, even if the cameras are similar in handling, this review ought to have picture of 760D "In your hand". :)

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The 760D showed up in my neck of the woods for just $620. I may just bite,..

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I always enjoy the good reviews by DPR. A lot of work goes in to each review and I appreciate that.
Get over this DR crap of sensors complainers. The more DR you can get out of a photo the less contrast there is in the photo and the flatter and uglier your picture. There is a fine line to too little contrast and too much contrast and the composition of the photo.
Those that constantly preach DR hardly ever use it to it's proper benefit. Easy to type this camera gives better DR vs getting off the couch and take pictures.
Pros don't waste their precious time complaining about the DR of a sensor. They learn to use their gear. They learn composition is what makes a photo. They learn to use a good photo editing program and manipulate the picture to what they want.
IQ is very subjective. So I don't put any basis on reviews giving a number to IQ.
This camera is not geared to pros, wanna be pros, those that talk like pros.
It is good for a beginner.

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I was at a near by city and walking on their ocean walk way. A very nice place for birding.
I ran across a lot of other photographers and I was curious about the birds there. I also asked them about their cameras. 9/10 used auto exposure only, no adjustments, straight out of the box and shoot. They didn't care about DR and never will care about DR. Thus they are static beginners.
The other remaining people had a little more adjustment to their cameras. Tried to get good composition to their photos.
One lady that had an older rebel and a 300mmF4 liked to take pictures for her painting. I pointed out that you can put the 300mm at a close focus and take pictures of flowers with bees on them...she tried it and was wowed at the new pictures she could get for her paintings. Opened up a whole new world. DR of the sensor didn't matter one iota to her. The one picture in a thousand that she takes where DR might make a difference to her paintings...still doesn't matter.

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To many of the posts below...
canon can do nothing right
All the other companies can do nothing wrong

Nothing wrong with living in Seattle. Just need to get over to Kennewick and drive to Clarkston a few times for some more good and interesting photo tests.

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Late to the party, but your comment about DR isn't true. A sensor with greater DR can show greater gradation between tones, meaning you can bump up the contrast and still have a good amount of tonal separation. Just look at a small-sensor point and shoot pointed against the sun versus a D810. Only one of those guys will be able to show you both shadows behind a tree and the sun itself.

Your point about getting on with shooting is exactly right though. Higher DR, ISO, and such make getting a shot easier, that's all. And as we've seen from an RX100 winning the travel photography competition, having the most expensive camera doesn't mean your photo of a boring subject becomes interesting.

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does the T6s outgun 70D

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Please, if you recently purchased a new T6s could you please let us know here what are the first 2 digits of your new camera's serial number.
I just want to know what are the current serial numbers on the market.
I am asking because of this Canon recall, here:
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/support/consumer?pageKeyCode=prdAdvDetail&docId=0901e02480f0bcb2

Thank you.

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Takes great pictures, could have been better in a lot of ways but it is what it is, good features also, I'm using a MartinFields screen protector and the clarity is the same, saved me a few times from scratches.

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What should I buy? The Canon T6s (760D) has the same price level as a Canon 7D.

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Im not sure I get all the negativity about this camera, sure there are better offers out there and its great we all get the choice, Im no canon fan boy but I really don't see this model as a fail. It seems a reasonable offer and well positioned for a particular market segment.

I do feel a bit sorry for those who have bought this camera and might go on to read this thread, and are swayed into feeling unhappy by all the nay sayers who just rubbish a product because you can.

As I said Im no fan boy, and I would not buy one, but put another way if I was just starting out again I think I would have been thrilled to own one. Its better than my first canon by some margin, and really does it matter there are better offers if you feel satisfied with what you got, can afford?

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Well said. Wise words.

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I think entry level DSLR's still make a lot of sense for many people, but one thing I can't wrap my head around is why you'd release a DSLR that leaves the buyer without a way to MFA their lenses. The tolerance range on mass produced items - even tightly QC'd ones like camera bodies and lenses - means that you're eventually *going* to need to do some fine tuning. I could not in good conscience recommend a camera without this feature to anyone, especially with so many compelling options from competitors available.

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So far I have owned 5 camera bodies and 10 lenses without need for microadjust. I guess that day will eventually come and I will need to return a camera or lens.

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Ok thats it, I'm done with canon. They have the pockets to have the best RD in the market, they should be pushing ahead instead of playing the game of catching with what the others are doing. I will not buy anything else from them. For me the.. detonator is the LAME dynamic range of their sensors. Seriously even a cellphone have BETTER dynamic range than the canons.

Who lives in England? I have a T3i in PERFECT conditions, with a 50mm 1.8. a 70-200 F4 L, a 18-55 STM and a 8mm glass.

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I agree. Canon truly have the firepower to lead the market. It is a shame they choose not to do so.

They will still sell loads of these to people who think they want a "proper camera" and the guy in the store tells them to buy this Canon.

A decent percentage of these people will quiet using it after a while and go back to their iPhone. It is already happening - Ebay is flooded with barely used Rebels for sale.

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yaaaaaaawn

Another second place (or third?) for canon. Well done.

They are doing an excellent job in convincing their customers that they should dump their L glass while they still can and move to another platform. They are making it very easy to take the plunge

Hey Canon, Kodak is waiting you to share old-timers stories... maybe do a reunion.

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WARNING:
This is just a friendly and helpful warning for anyone considering buying the new T6i and T6s models to please read this so you will not experience any possible headaches:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/2886594945/canon-issues-product-advisory-for-rebel-t6i-t6s

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John, you are a bit out of date.
Canon was never very forthcoming with an explanation but they resolved this issue. There have been no additional reports of sensor issues for the past month or so.

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I disagree completely that I am out of date as being careful is never out of date.
If you were buying one of these new models would you not check to see if it is affected by my warning? I am quite sure that you would.
I feel that my warning is still smart and valid.

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I already bought mine and it has no problems. I bought from B&H. Their catalog listing mentioned that they did not have any of the affected units.

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Thanks for sharing and good luck with your new camera.
Which model and lens did you get and can you also share what are your likes and dislikes (if any) about your new camera. Thanks.

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I currently use a T3i with lots of mileage and my go to lens is the 15-85. I bought the T6s/18-135 combo. I have posted some comments on this page a couple of days ago. I have also posted some brief user comments on the appropriate DPR Canon gear forum. For my unit, AF is excellent with almost always quick and perfect focusing and no need for microadjust with any of my lenses. The biggest issue with this camera is the out of date (but acceptable) dynamic range. I just found a powerful solution. I will be using DPP software to pull details from the shadows and to retain the sharpness of the details while killing the noise. I am very impressed with the performance of DPP in this regard. It outdoes anything from Adobe by a wide margin.

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Thanks for these info, and just to help you and make sure that you have the latest version of Canon's DPP which Canon just recently released on June 1st is version 4.2.32. You can download it from here if needed:
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_rebel_t6s_ef_s_18_135mm_is_stm_lens_kit#DriversAndSoftware
You will need your new camera's serial number to be able to download it.
Enjoy !!!

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Seriously wish they would drop the Baby Camera Body. Does that save you $2 a camera or something? Really!

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Touchscreen with hamstrings. Hmmm. No.

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nice camera

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I was overdue to replace my T3i due to high mileage and the need for better macro AF. I have only had the camera and 18-135 kit lens for one day but can add some comments:
The AF on my unit works great with no detectable front or back focusing. It focuses quickly and accurately. Unlike my T3i, it also autofocuses at 1:1 macro distances.
I cannot see any difference between the 0.85x T3i and the 0.82x T6s viewfinder except the viewfinder for the T6s appears brighter.
Perhaps because this is my first camera with a lower adjustment wheel, I did not notice any difficulty with the placement of the wheel and do like the convenience for adjusting some of the camera settings.
I like the locking mode wheel as I often accidently moved the mode for my T3i. I do not like the combination of an Off/On/Movie switch. I seem to hit Movie when I merely want to turn the camera on.
I will be happy to answer any questions and I started a comment thread in the Rebel gear forum.

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7DII is the New Rebel! Can someone send Canon a memo?

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It shouldn't be called 'Rebel'. 'Chicken' would be more appropriate ...

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For the love of God, Canon, please be brave and make steps to lead the market. Dream to offer more. Take customers on a journey toward new tech, a new approach.

These black plastic lumps with their dials and dark tunnel for an OVF and poor live view, are simply unattractive to the new generation.

Hundreds of thousands of these will be sold to people who think they want a "proper camera". Hundreds of thousands of them won't get used much and end up on ebay or lost in a cupboard because the user reverts to taking pictures with their iPhone.

Come on Canon ! Try leading the market rather than just following. Take some risks. Photography as we know it is dying out and you aren't doing much to help .

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I agree Canon needs to get moving and come up with some trend setting advancements. Up until about 5 years ago cameras were advancing at a rapid rate. Since then improvements have been slow and DSLR cameras are no longer hot items. The general public has or is rapidly losing interest.
BTW, I do not agree about the "dark" tunnel. The viewfinder on my T6s seems brighter than the one on my T3i even though the magnification is supposed to be slightly less.

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Canon blindly continues to spin their cycle of crippled APS-C DSLRs (although this one is not so crippled). Yet, the consumer market is going towards mirrorless and full frame. 2 words that seem to be censored in Canon management's ears.
And what happens when big companies try to clung to their old values for too long instead of focusing to something new? See Nokia.

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I would disagree about the market moving to full frame. Smaller, lighter cameras seem to be way more popular. That is especially true since image quality for smaller sensor cameras has continued to improve.

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You're right. Smaller and lighter cameras for the normal people are always selling more, because this segment is bigger than just photographers.
But even in these segments, the focus goes to bigger sensor size (Sony RX100III currently bestseller). But in DSLR/Mirrorless , the best selling cameras turned to be full frame (unlike a few years ago, where it was the 550D and 600D).
In Flickr, the most used Canon Cameras are now 5DM3 and 5DM2, and 6D is rising. (A few years ago this was 550 & 600D).

So my opinion still stands, in amateur and professional photography, APS-C times are over (they will turn to be entry cameras).

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Personally I think the bulky costly full frames could be phased out or for serious pro use only. I would like to better and more sophisticated cameras with APS-C sensors. The 7DIII is a good example, but again, Canon is so far behind on sensor development and the 7DIII remains a limited camera.

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We don't know what the 7DIII is since if one comes out it won't be for five years or more. But if you mean the 7D2 being 'limited', I'm curious in what way. No flippy screen for cat photos? No WiFi? Or maybe the only APS-C with flicker light compensation, the best AF in just about any DSLR, the best weather sealing in any DSLR, a 200,000 shot-rated shutter? Dual Pixel AF for fast live view and continuous video AF? 10 frames per second at 14 bit with a deep buffer? Behind in that way?

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Canon 760d should be 100d specifications, in a 700d body, with an electronic viewfinder, and with 760d speedier live view autofocus, with 760d price.
That is what clients are expecting. No need of 24 MP, but yes need of electronic viewfinder. It's very simple.
Mirror is obsolete technology, as it is analog technology. It's ok, but it's only for old fashioned, romantical people. Put this in your mind. The game has changed as it changed with digital.

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If you want a mirrorless camera then buy a mirrorless camera. Expecting Canon to put an EVF in a DSLR is like expecting Boeing to put sails on an airplane 'because'.

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to Midwest:
You're wrong. Expecting Canon to put an EVF in a DSLR is like expecting Boeing moving from propeller engine to propulsion engine.

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[ Continued ]
Snap sort and DXO give comparative IQ scores that are most important. Seems the Canon 70D only scores an IQ of [ 68 ] against a better score of [79 ] or [ 82 ] for Pentax or [ 100 ] for the A6000.

So do I settle for [ 68 IQ] the Canon 70D and still enjoy my perfect sized 70 - 300 L lens....or do I switch to Pentax [ 79 - 85 IQ ] - K-50 or K-3 [Bargain$] and pay for new expen$ive glass?

Gotcha!! I used to do Minolta film before Canon digital. TG

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"Scores that are most imporant." Are you buying scores or a camera? I can guess.

Look at the individual DxO tests, if you must and not that single number rating. Their one-number overall score is so utterly simplistic and tells you nothing. How they weight the various test results into that one number is totally arbitrary. Go ahead and switch to Pentax, and have a stabilized sensor... and an unstabilized viewfinder (oops, didn't think of that one) and the worst AF tracking in a DSLR as well as a lineup of antique slow focusing lenses. Sure, let that misleading DxO number rule your purchase, why not.

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These are the cameras that make beginners hate photography, no face recognition, OVF that tells you crap, forget to change your settings and you are screwed, fat & ugly, needs micro adjustments for lenses. Have Canon ever thought to make these tools easier for people to use, people might still be interested in photography and not buy one and leave it in their closet.

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Buy point and shoot camera or take photos with phone. Easy.

DSLR is for users who at least know how to use it.

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As offensive as this comment appears, there's some level of truth to it. I've had a # of friends who wanted to get into photography buy a Rebel & come to me saying 'why don't my pictures look better?' or 'why aren't they focused?'

Unless you're willing to expend some effort in learning, this level of disappointment is not unheard of upon buying a DSLR.

Oddly enough, some of these very friends have returned said DSLR, then bought a Sony RX100 or a5100. The RX100 users - perhaps unknowingly - lowered their expectations of image quality (it's a pocketable camera, after all), & were perfectly happy with the very small (1/2 EV, according to our studio scene tests) high ISO noise cost of the smaller, but excellent RX100 sensor. Which actually probably turned in even better low light performance anyway b/c of the F1.8 lens (vs. the slow, kit lens on the Rebel). Secondly, both a5100 & RX100 users got worry-free in-focus photos, since these cameras automatically find faces & focus on them.

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The bigger point here is that the landscape is changing, and so are expectations. iPhone's have almost infinite depth-of-field, and have face detection, so people using smartphones aren't used to out-of-focus images, for the most part. Face detection technology is still only available in the highest end DSLRs, yet come enabled by default in many mirrorless cameras (it's easy for them, since they're always reading their image sensor). Smartphones are even automatically tonemapping to a certain extent, leading to less clipped whites/blacks when dealing with high contrast scenes. Old school DSLRs are still reticent to deal with this, but Sony cameras come with DRO Auto enabled.

That doesn't mean these DSLRs are universally bad as a first camera. Not by any means. If you want to get into photography and wish to learn the nuances, they can be a great starting camera. Especially with the exceptional access to glass.

But they're not automatically, de facto the 1st choice anymore.

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Yes, canon is smar with its dual pixel AF in live view, as many entry level shooters will find this useful for pictures and videos. any yes, many of the target audience will shoot in jepg, and wont care about MFA. It is sad that canon has not been able to solve the DR riddle even in its flagship cameras.
As a photographer, I have many friends that ask me for advice for a "nice" camera, and I have recently recommended the sony a5100, or a6000 if they want EVF. I think entry level DSLR for family photography/video is senseless.

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But you want micro adjusting and auto ISO programming and complain that it is already too complicated for beginners?

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Yes, that's right 67gtonr, because as I just finished stating in my responses above, I no longer particularly believe cameras like the Rebel are appropriate for beginners who just want a camera that works without their intervention.

OTOH, they can be quite appropriate for people who want to get into photography, and spend time learning. In which case, having a way to deal with focus issues inherent to your own design might be important. Or auto ISO that at least allows you to adjust image brightness when you select shutter speed and aperture - again, might be important for someone using this a camera to learn photography.

And kevindar: I'm inclined to agree when you say 'I think entry level DSLR for family photography/video is senseless.' It's kind of starting to seem that way, given some of the other options we're seeing these days.

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Or those might be expensive complicted additions for the vast majority of buyers of this camera.

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I don't disagree.

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Seems like Canon might have been better off taking away features of the one model making it more automatic and adding a few more enthusiast's features to the other one.

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Could you be more specific? For example, what exactly would they do to the T6i to make it more 'beginner-friendly'? And what would they do to the T6s to make it more 'enthusiast-friendly'?

Curious to see what you think, to compare it to what I would do :)

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Very simple, just put in an EVF. All the problems will be solved for the user. Better video, face detection, WYSIWYG, No micro adjustments needed, don't have to worry about focus points clustered in the middle of the frame, smaller body. But we all know this won't happen. First Canon is afraid of validating its competition. The upgrade path is ruined for Canon (locking the user in). Not all their lenses will work. And lastly does Canon even know how to do it?

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So... make it an EOS M3, then? And preferably make sure it has servo AF in live view. Sounds reasonable to me!

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Beginners.... Make em get an old Pentax K-1000 or other old manual camera and a roll of film.

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Oh yeah, I just remembered a very recent poll on this site showed that the most important thing in a camera was manual control. 34% I think.... Not face detection and auto ISO.

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Do you remember if there were options for face detection or auto ISO on the poll?

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No. I don't think there was but I could be wrong.

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Especially NewComers Right? I agree. Someone at Canon has bargain basement mentality and it is all about what the consumer can not have. Like they are just selling the Canon emblem on the camera for people that must have it. Let's see, do I take the $850 plunge on the T6s or do I spend the extra $50 and get the a77II? Such a hard question to answer.

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The a77 II really is quite a bargain body at this point, but the question remains: what lenses would an average user slap on it? The Rebel does offer a set of very cheap lenses...

And as to the note about the polls: AF ranked amongst the highest with respect to things people care about (that we test).

3 upvotes

Frankly, that's the level of nonsense I've come to expect from your anti-DSLR posts at every turn. "OVF that tells you crap"? You have no idea what is in the OVF on a new Rebel and I assure you it's a lot more than 'crap'. You don't want to know however, you just want to rant against DSLR's. Fine.

4 upvotes

My personal opinion, and you may differ on this, I would buy the T6s with the 2 kit lens, the 18-135 STM & and the 55-250 STM, as I think they offer the best value, if they were selling for a lot less as this camera is still cheaply made and not that robust.
The new LP-E17 battery is a joke and a huge disappointment. It should have had more power and much longer life.
Are you listening Canon?

2 upvotes

Also IMHO - I shoot grandkids' sports L-Fine-JPG (RAW won't write fast enough - can't burst more than 4 or 5 frames) - Last Sunday I shot over 1800 frames (no flash, mostly AI Servo, Continuous Shutter bursts of 4 to 20 frames, 55-250 STM lens) without exhausting the battery. Yes, I carry 2 of them, but have yet to need the 2nd.

2 upvotes

If you shot 1800 frames without exhausting your battery then I am impressed.
Thanks for sharing.

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The battery for my T3i has the same 440 shot rating. I can shoot a lot all day and rarely need to put in a replacement battery. I rarely use the on camera flash, so I can get way more than 440 shots on a battery charge. More would be better but the current battery is fine for my needs.

0 upvotes

People are being a bit rough on this camera, but I understand why. I think it's in the WRONG price point.

I bought the T6s(along with the 18-135 lens) and really liked it. The new sensor gave me some great pics and better movies(over my SL1). It also had some nice features.

However, after doing some thinking on how much I just spent for this and its feature set, I couldn't get past the issue that the 70D was just $100 more and offered, from what I saw as so much more. Yes, I lost 4MP and a little better size factor, but you don't need to look hard for what more you get with the 70D over the T6s. I now have a 70D and couldn't be happier.

I think Canon blew it with the price points. If Canon knew they were going to drop the 70D price point, then IMO the T6s should have started at $150-$200 LESS than it is now. This would have given it a better separation from the newly lowered pricing of the 70D.

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"I couldn't get past the issue that the 70D was just $100 more and offered [...] so much more."

That's nothing new. It is a typical dilemma for those who want buy Canon: prev gen Dxx always almost beats current gen Dxxx in price/performance.

I was at the cross road once and (because of that, among other problems) have simply decided not to with the Canon. The Dxx made Dxxx look way too handicapped. The Dxxx made Dxx look way too overpriced. While Pentax and Oly at the time offered the features of Dxx at price of Dxxx...

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Pixel density is mostly marketing. Professional DSLR's like the top flight Nikons and Canons (1DX, 1D4) have 18MP full frame sensors. You ever wonder why? The main reason is that current professional lenses do not resolve to pixel densities above 18MP. Larger pixel densities only produce fuzzy pixels and slower response times. Unless lens designs improve significantly in terms of focus accuracy, using larger pixel densities is a waste of resources. If you do the science and blow up images taken by professional 18MP sensors using professional L series lenses and compare with standard lenses on 24MP sensors you'll see that the 18MP sensor will look significantly better. Always remember, the lens is the reference mark for image quality, the sensor while very important is second in line and can not improve on deficiencies created by the lens including false resolution that high mega-pixel sensors imply. Smartphone pixel densities are another case in point that illustrates this effect.

2 upvotes

Very well said!! But the market still looks for more Megapixels, and who is in business knows that!

0 upvotes

Sceeeerw the big two. I am proudly a Pentaxian and love my gear. I am currently rocking a K30 but am beginning to look to upgrade to the K3. I am having a hard time choosing between the K3 and the K3II. I don't care for the GPS or Astrotracer, but am interested in the pixel stacking, but am mostly motivated to get the extra stop 4.5 vs 3.5 from the upgraded software. But the K3 is selling cheap with battery grips and cards included for under $900. Sorry for jumping in a non-Pentax post with Pentax thoughts...

0 upvotes

do we love these so called critics toward a camera aimed at beginners......
you can call em fanboys, trollers, but get a life if your camera is better!
Dont need your so called critics, DPreview are pro enough to tell us how it behave.

7 upvotes

Ok!

1 upvote

Why do the "pros" read like a product specification? I haven't seen this before, it is usually more - wordy. Is this the new normal?

0 upvotes

Looks like this canon rebel got married to a fat girl, moved to the suburbs took out a 30 years mortgage at 6% interest, his kids are overweight and dumb and he's miserable with a beer belly.

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1 upvote

Well, that would be silly if it wasn't even more worthless.

0 upvotes

Oh look a Canon review......
Lets trash it.
Makes me feel like sooooooo good.
Oh wait, why dont I get out and use my camera instead of reading reviews and critic Canon?

You guys know the answer....

11 upvotes

If that's so, then why arent you out taking pics instead of critiquing critics

8 upvotes

tri,
people seem to have a hard time grasping that once you write here you forfeit your right to criticize others that do the same.

1 upvote

Oh look, the Canon fanboy rushes to the aid of his sacred camera brand. Anything critical ever stated about Canon must be false.

1 upvote

Have any of you tried The Sun website? The comments in the comments section (and sometimes the reviews section) on this site look now a lot like The Sun titles... This used to be a "cleaner" site a while (a couple of years) ago... And "we" were used to learn something from the comments. I hope DPR staff is listening: time has come to REALLY moderate the comments section. In other words, IMHO, you should review and block all "me hate you" comments. There is no added value. I know some sites that are doing this, successfully. Pertinent tech comments, explanations, fine!

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Hey Silver Nemesis
If they do block all comments, believe me, Nikon shooters will become ghosts.
I've been here a while and all these critics are aimed from Nikon shooters towards Canon.
I dont know why they try so hard to troll, but its beyond my knowledge......
And yes they should do something about it, i've been telling them for a long time.
They might block me too by the way! :) :) :)

3 upvotes

I agree there seems to be a dislike for Canon on here followed by a dislike for Nikon and a Love for Sony. They all make great cameras. None are garbage and all can take excellent photos. Lots of trolls with NO gear or photos in their profile bashing away.

1 upvote

The 'Canon Fanboy' is no worse than the anti-Canon basher, in fact I'd say it's the opposite.

0 upvotes

Canon Rebel t6s (760D) wins DPR's Silver Medal Award.... I dont know why you have your headquarters based in Seattle, you'd be better off basing it in Zurich, right next to FIFA!

3 upvotes

we come here to read some insight and we get only insults and blames. get-a-life people

7 upvotes

Manufacturers receive from customers the same treatment they give them.

7 upvotes

There are 100 million Canon haters in the world.

0 upvotes

You know you can get through the entire article and simply ignore the comments section right ? :P

If you don't like the comments don't read !!!

And no most of these guys (like me) aren't Canon haters. We love cameras like their 5D mk3 and IDX. However we don't like these poor excuses for a camera like the Rebel series which we feel are overpriced thrash. Thats all.

3 upvotes

You know you don't have to comment on an overpriced trash camera if you have no intention to buy one don't you!

4 upvotes

^^ Sorry but I wholeheartedly disagree with you. I am discussing about the camera being reviewed not talking about something completely off topic.

If you don't agree with what I say either point out any mistakes in my statements which I will grudgingly retract and/or apologize for or ignore them.

1 upvote

“Like 5D3 and 1DX, hate Rebel”. Put this in another way, "I am rich man."

0 upvotes

^^ Ha ha thats rich ! I love Ferrari cars too but I drive a Micra !!! :(

No I don't own either the 5D mk 3 or 1Dx but I have used both and both are amazing cameras. So yes I admire those Canon cameras but not these rubbish Rebel cameras.

0 upvotes

You get a life! We're insulting and laughing about a crappy plastic camera here, not someones kids!

1 upvote

Have you ever driven a Ferrari?

0 upvotes

No. But I drag raced a Ferrari from signal to signal... I lost... Badly. :(

But the bloody engine note makes my heart flutter every time.

0 upvotes

The comments section is supposed to b the best part, where individuals can share their personal views and real life, unbiased experience. Not bitching

1 upvote

Agree. Comments section is best. A lot of fun here.

1 upvote

@rhurani: precisely. If I want to learn about cameras from N/S/C, I see there is a war going on...and not much else from real life / user perspective. So how can I, a rangefinder user (yes!), to filter an opinion?! This is a circus!

3 upvotes

Good review, the cameras look really nice, my only worry would be the ergonomics for the T6s back wheel, nothing a trip to the store can't cure.

0 upvotes

The Canon Rebel series is like Jurassic World - a recycling of a 20 year old concept with much less glamour and shine than the original.

9 upvotes

Not only Rebel series. 5DS series are almost worse...
Canon's current single asset is marketing.

2 upvotes

Well, Jurasic World is breaking all kinds of sales records...

2 upvotes

rebel like those aged rock&roll artists from the 70's that should be long out to pasture enjoying their retirement. Instead they are insistently on stage looking pathetic.

3 upvotes

Talk talk talk talk but no photos.

1 upvote

So much work and progress with the liveview performance and then they basically cripple the potential of the OVF af performance. I don't know why they even bothered slapping on the 19 point system.

They might as well have ditched the mirror and put an EVF in.

And can people stop parroting about how the camera will only ever be used with the kit lens? Even if that's true it doesn't mean it's acceptable for the camera to underperform. With that attitude the review might as well have been one paragraph saying "good enough for the majority of users" in fact why bother having this website at all because all of the information on here will be meaningless to the typical DSLR user?

6 upvotes

The various features each add cost to the product. Canon makes cameras with more focus points, but entry-level DSLR photographers rarely use such features.

1 upvote

canon AF open loop / closed servo system are fundamentally flawed. For body / lens combo to work correctly as it should with canon, BOTH lenses and body will need to be upgraded. They are trying what they can by upgrading the body section of the AF system, but guess the chance of them fixing their lens (I’m talking the L) base.... I've already stated that buying canon dSLR without AF micro-adjust is ludicrous. canon selling their dSLR's without this function is straight down criminal.

Nick

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Most people who will buy this camera will likely use it with the kit lenses, 18-135, 18-55 or 55-250mm, but strangely, all the sample pics are taken with primes or the expensive Sigma 16-35mm lens. So most people won't get the quality of pics shown in this review.

And strangely, when DPR reviews let's say, an Olympus E-M10, the samples contains plenty of pics taken with the kit lens.

Very strange and not fair to future Canon kit lens owners.

12 upvotes

They probably have the Canon lenses lying around from previous reviews or to test Canon bodies, or maybe someone's personal lens. I don't think anyone at DPR is much of a fan of m4/3, so not too likely to have good m4/3 lenses around. Just a guess.

1 upvote

Canon dated cameras need all the help they can get to entice buyers. And it is the job of DPR to make it so.

0 upvotes

Prossi: That is pretty ironic, considering DPR is constantly accused of being anti-Canon, lol.

1 upvote

Overall DPR IS rather anti-Canon, though they needn't bother what with all the camera experts posting here about why their cameras are worthless. BTW someone should tell the professionals who use Canon way more than anything else.

0 upvotes

Cameras keep getting better...and the complaints keep getting louder.
Someday someone will make a perfect camera, and everyone in the world will complain about it.

21 upvotes

Aint that the truth!

1 upvote

The triumph of the me-centric consumer culture carries on unabated. Keep giving people more and it's never enough to satisfy the needs they think they have despite having no real needs. By the way, most people don't know there is a difference between "need" and "want." They complain about invasion of privacy then sell themselves to Facebook for the high price of zero dollars. We're a society of huge children.

4 upvotes

You guys should continue this discussion down to the retiree social club over a glass of wine and a game of briscola.

0 upvotes

Yes, companies are making absolutely superb entry level DSLRs absolutely loaded with features and near pro level performance. God forbid they should be missing questionably necessary features like Exposure Compensation in Manual Mode or have bodies that don't fit in our favorite skinny jeans.

4 upvotes

Yes, entry level cameras are getting better. I think what people complain about is that Canon doesn't seem to be advancing as fast as everyone else. Yes, they are making progress, of course, or they would not introduce new models.

1 upvote

This is still at 850 bucks camera! A rebel with means...
A couple of hundred more dollars you get an NX1, a couple of hundred less you get an a6000 if you know what m' sayin'.
It sucks for canon, at and on either sides of their price point.

0 upvotes

Yes, and for a little less you can get a D5500 with a much more capable sensor and better AF system.

0 upvotes

Yes, and for $950 you can get a Sony rx100.4. Almost a grand - and look at all the limitations that camera has. It takes nice pictures, but you'll never be able to shoot over 70mm. It takes nice video, but you have to shut it down after 5 minutes. Its most important feature is that it fits in your pocket.
It's not a big deal. All cameras take good pictures, but they're all different. You just buy the features that you want.

1 upvote

kodakrome,
lets stick to system cameras, shall we!?!?
look at the scores. solid D grade. Look at the enthusiastic +'ses: the camera has a sensor, has AF...a shutter button...it takes pictures...
My god the camera stands out for not standing out. Should have named it the 'un-achiever' more than the 'rebel'.
Again for $$$850!

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1 upvote

I think Canon should be given several 35% marks to wake up!

7 upvotes

R.I.P Canon

Then company continues to outsell everybody.

3 upvotes

It must be great to be a Canon product manager.
Step 1. Do nothing
Step 2. Rake in bonus
Step 3. Continue to believe photographers are dumb

6 upvotes

Well Celsus, there is you.

5 upvotes

I jumped ship years ago! Currently have a Fuji XE1.

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Celsus - photographers are not dumb - people who buy cameras are, in general, uninformed. So if Canon can buy more shelf space at Best Buy and give sales people larger incentives to steer people towards Canon products, everyone else can't win. They don't have to have a better product, just stronger sales tactics.

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Gee, as soon as Sony and Fuji figure that out, they'll just buy up the shelf space and become number one!

0 upvotes

Do you think it will be that easy?

0 upvotes

If front/back focus is the issue than it is a toy other parameters get completely unimportant..
Even the best sensor in the world will not help - pictures will be soft.

0 upvotes

Greatest rebel ever! "This time, we really mean it, ". Yeah, like last time!
It's clear DPR staff had no fun writing this. As much fun as getting called into Putin's office.

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3 upvotes

1080 30P? LOL ROFL /facepalm

What is this, 2010?

7 upvotes

Not everyone takes video with their DSLR. I don't take any whatever. I don't give a rat's if it's 1080p or anything else.

0 upvotes

In Dpreview's jargon, does "silver" stand for "blah blah"? Is there anything that has a rating lower than silver?

1 upvote

Yes, no award at all, like for the Nikon DF.

4 upvotes

since you guys are dishing out silver awards to everything like my grandma's cookies what's the point in it?

So if its really special (or DPR team really likes it), then it gets the gold otherwise they are all silver? So the award loses its valve doesn't it?

1 upvote

Well, because there are no real 'bad' cameras anymore. So yes, you can easily get these Canons and make wonderful pictures. If you want to get more precise 'awards', just check the overall score value.

Personally I don't care about the awards and values. DPReview gives an overall score (and rightly so), but personally I don't care for example about live view, jpg quality, etc. But the reviews are very helpful, as you can assess all the weak and strong points and choose the camera that suits you best.

That being said, I would also encourage everyone to use the camera in real life when it's possible. In my mind I almost switched from Nikon to the A7rII, but after using the A7II I clearly realised those cameras are no SLR-killers (yet). Fantastic cameras though!

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4 upvotes

VALVE lolol

1 upvote

@nandbytes - pretty sure we've gone over this with you before but for the record: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/4416254604/camera-scores-ratings-explained

1 upvote

I think we went over the individual rating themselves than the gold/silver award. I noticed recently most things get silver awards which I felt discredited the award. Basically like getting a medal for participating.

0 upvotes

DPR award loses its valve
DPR... valve...
3 letters... valve...

HL3 confirmed! it's confirmed!

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haha, tbh I can't remember what happened at the end of HL2:ep2. All I remember is someone dies lol!

I just googled it, doesn't seem like its official.

Even tho I haven't played PC games in years, A7rII announcement and HL3 announcement within week would be too much to handle! :D

0 upvotes

Canon 760d should have EVF, and it must rely on the live view AF. That's a real game charger, as Sony does. But not, you have a mirror camera without microAF adjustment.
But hey, the innovation is that 760d have a LCD display!!! As the 350d already had 10 years ago!!!!

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Utterly incredible - that a DSLR should have an EVF. If you want a mirrorless camera then buy one, there are plenty to choose from.

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