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Canon EOS 5DS / 5DS R First Impressions Review

February 2015 | By Richard Butler and Barney Britton

Preview based on pre-production Canon EOS 5D S & SR

Canon has added to its EOS 5D range with the launch of two 50MP cameras, the 5DS and the 5DS R. Both cameras are high-resolution full frame models, primarily aimed at stills photographers. The only difference between the models is that the 'S' has an optical low-pass filter, while the 'S R' has a self-cancelling filter (the same relationship as Nikon's D800 and D800E models shared).

The two cameras will exist alongside the EOD 5D Mark III, acting as dedicated high-resolution cameras primarily intended for studio, landscape and wedding shoots, rather than the all-round capability offered by the existing model. The Mark III still trumps the S and S R in terms of maximum ISO and continuous shooting speed.

Slightly unusually for Canon, both models have been announced a long way ahead of their June 2015 availability date, so we wouldn't be surprised if some of these details changed between now and then.

Canon EOS 5DS / SR key features

  • 50MP CMOS sensor
  • 5fps continuous shooting
  • ISO 100-6400 (Extends to 12,800)
  • 61-point AF module with input from 150k pixel metering sensor
  • Dual Digic 6 processors
  • 3.0" 1.04m dot LCD
  • CF & SD slots (UHS-I compatible)
  • 1080/30p video
  • M-Raw and S-Raw down-sampled formats
  • 30MP APS-H crop and 19.6MP APS-C crop modes
  • USB 3.0 interface

Most of the big new features on the high-res 5Ds are about ensuring you're able to get the best of the cameras' extra resolution. Our experiences with the Nikon D8X0 series cameras has shown us that simply having a high resolution sensor isn't enough: to take full advantage of it you need to really obsess about stability.

To this end, Canon has reinforced the tripod socket and surrounding area to allow stable engagement with a tripod. It has also used a more controllable, motorized mirror mechanism, like the one in the EOS 7D II, that allows a deceleration step before the mirror hits its upper position - reducing mirror slap.

The third change a revised mirror lock-up mode that allows you to specify an automatic delay between the mirror being raised and the shutter opening to start the exposure. It allows the user to choose the shortest possible delay that has allowed mirror vibration to subside: maximizing sharpness while minimizing the loss of responsiveness.

Although the S and the SR can both shoot movies with the same choice of frame rates and compression as the 5D III, they don't offer clean HDMI output or headphone sockets. The message is pretty clear - if video is a major concern, these aren't the cameras for you.

 
Canon EOS 5DS
Canon EOS 5DS R
Canon EOS 5D
Mark III
Pixel count 50.2MP 50.2MP 22.1MP
Processor Digic 6 Digic 6 Digic 5+
Maximum ISO ISO 6400
(12,800 ext)
ISO 6400
(12,800 ext)
ISO 25,600
(102,400 ext)
Maximum ISO ISO 6400
(12,800 ext)
ISO 6400
(12,800 ext)
ISO 25,600
(102,400 ext)
Maximum frame rate 5fps 5fps 6fps
Autofocus 61 point, of which 41 are cross type and 5 are double-cross type 61 point, of which 41 are cross type and 5 are double-cross type 61 point, of which 41 are cross type and 5 are double-cross type
Metering sensor 150k pixels (RGB+IR) 150k pixels (RGB+IR) 63 segment (RG/GB)
Optical low-pass (anti-aliasing) filter? Yes Self-cancelling Yes
Uncompressed HDMI output No No Yes
Headphone jack? No No Yes
USB connection USB 3.0 USB 3.0 USB 2.0

A series of features in the EOS 5DS and S R are ones we first saw in the EOS 7D Mark II. This includes the flicker detection function that warns you of lighting flicker and can synchronize the camera's continuous shooting so that it only fires at the brightest moments to ensure consistent exposure (rather than the constant variation you can otherwise get in such situations).

Two other 7D II features to make an appearance in 5D camera for the first time are the built-in intervalometer function that can be used to shoot time lapse sequences. And, as a first for Canon, these can then be combined in-camera to create a 1080/24p time-lapse movie.

Canon EOS 5DS / SR overview video

If you're new to digital photography you may wish to read the Digital Photography Glossary before diving into this article (it may help you understand some of the terms used).

Conclusion / Recommendation / Ratings are based on the opinion of the reviewer, you should read the ENTIRE review before coming to your own conclusions.

We recommend to make the most of this review you should be able to see the difference (at least) between X, Y, and Z and ideally A, B, and C.

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Jeff Svuk

Surely this is fantastic photographic tool, put in the right hands and used under a limited set of circumstances it will produce some outstanding images.
It is not the right tool for everyone and it's cost along with lenses is probably way beyond the justification of most photographers. I will not be buying one but live in hope that the advances made in this camera continue to filter down until the day that I can afford this equipment.
Competition is great for us all, sure Sony are pushing the boundaries but without Canon for them to try and surpass they wouldn't be pushing anywhere near as hard.

7 upvotes
Equine

But now that Sony is on the path of big technological upgrades in their new models, and having a largely body-centric revenue model(I would assume), won't they have to outdo themselves again and again to get people to buy more cameras? They probably aren't making high volume sales for native lenses yet, because people like me want a few decent sub-$500 lenses.

0 upvotes
photominion

I just clicked the article for the comments I admit..

19 upvotes
Dr_Jon

It is one of dprs main attractions... (Sorry guys.)

0 upvotes
photohp

So much chromatic aberration on the 5DR. What lens are they using? It is clear that the sensor has exceeded the capabilities of the lens.

2 upvotes
Hamiltionian

If you click the info button in the bottom corner you can see the exif data. Its the 85mm f/1.8 shot at f/5.6. I was commenting on this below as well. Its a good lens, but clearly showing its age against the new sensor. There are a number of better choices out there at this point. Otus 85mm, Sigma 85mm, Otus 55mm, etc. etc.

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Dr_Jon

It's moire not aberration, down to the lack of an AA filter or a weak AA filter. There's not much you can do about with a Bayer sensor as you only get info on one colour at each pixel so you have to guess the rest.

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srados

I am just eating my popcorn and watching the bashing and some praising...

2 upvotes
Horshack

The studio scene is definitive proof that dpreview has an anti-Canon bias. Check out this 100% crop from the 5DS file:

http://horshack.smugmug.com/photos/i-m6bhXrm/0/O/i-m6bhXrm.jpg

29 upvotes
Rishi Sanyal
8 upvotes
winter1

Hilarious!

Comment aimed at Horshack.

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Richard Butler

Seeing that image made me go back and more closely examine our studio scene images. I think you might be onto something.

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futile32

@Richard Butler
too funny, it took me a second :)

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Horshack

Nice work Richard. No Wonder that D810 review isn't done yet :)

6 upvotes
Richard Butler

I can assure you it's not the D810 review that's been delayed around 10 minutes for this.

I promise I'll work extra hard to make up for those moments spent having fun, though.

7 upvotes
bernardly

Sony must have an agent inside DPR!

1 upvote
futile32

Oh no.. don't be holding up that A7RII review! Got that fella on preorder, wanna know if its a keeper!

0 upvotes
deep7

The detail in the "R" version is really impressive. Surprising to see that the "S" version still shows quite a lot of moiré. Mind you, most cameras do in this test (not the Oly EM5II in high res mode though!).

I read some of the negative comments below. I wonder how many of those people realise these Canons will give results no other 35mm cameras can produce? I hope they sell plenty, partly because the positive choice is good for photography and partly because the narrow-perspectived armchair experts can reflect on how foolish their nastiness is.

Not that I would buy one. I've given up on huge bodies and have no desire for huge files.

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Lassoni

"Canons will give results no other 35mm cameras can produce?"

The D810 and 5DS(R) look very close to each other, yet D810 has a noticeable DR advantage when taking shots of bright sky in the background. Landscape users will still benefit more from very good DR.

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rrccad

funny that, many a "bright day" landscape images have been taking on canon cameras without any problem :)

5 upvotes
deep7

"The D810 and 5DS(R) look very close to each other, yet D810 has a noticeable DR advantage when taking shots of bright sky in the background. Landscape users will still benefit more from very good DR." I almost had to stifle a yawn when I read this stuck record post. My point remains absolutely true.

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Lassoni

You said 5ds gives results no other 35mm camera does? But that is untrue when it comes to exposing the shadows in the post production. You might try expose to avoid clipping of the bright sky, thus the shadows are a bit dark. When you start adding light to those shadows in post production, they will be much noisier with canon sensors than with other sensors. That's essentially what DR is about.

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Lassoni

@rrccad that's because many canon users tend to darken the shadows even more in post production, instead of trying to lift them up a bit. It's when you start lifting the shadows that you start noticing some extra noise that wouldn't be as severe with other sensors.

I guess you can fix lots of stuff with flash, but I'm not very familiar with flash use, and I think it doesn't work for all types of photography / situations very well.

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deep7

By Lassoni (20 min ago)
"You said 5ds gives results no other 35mm camera does? But that is untrue when it comes to exposing the shadows in the post production. You might try expose to avoid clipping of the bright sky, thus the shadows are a bit dark. When you start adding light to those shadows in post production, they will be much noisier with canon sensors than with other sensors. That's essentially what DR is about."

You're not a good reader. I wasn't talking about dynamic range (and, even then, you exaggerate the issue. Have you actually tried to recover blown skies with Canon sensors? They recover blues brilliantly.)

Anyway, that's beside the point. The resolving power is unique in 35mm cameras and you can't deny that.

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Lassoni

The canon can recover sky just fine, like any other camera. But when you expose to sky (to avoid it clipping), if it's bright, you're bound to end up with dark shadows.

Ppl aren't talking/praising canon DR because there's nothing to praise. Every other sensor is doing better job in that area.

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deep7

Lassoni, I really don't want to be rude but do you realise that you sound like a mindless parrot (I'm sorry to say)?

I made a valid point, you completely ignore it and repeatedly carry on about a completely different issue, one you clearly have read about far more than you have personally experimented with. For the last time, I will point out that these Canons will give results no other 35mm cameras can produce. That's a true and valid observation. If you can't get that, fine but please don't sidetrack the point with another topic. Thank you.

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Lassoni

If giving results "unlike other 35mm camera" excludes DR, then maybe the definition alone is subjective. I can do very hdr-esque photos with 1 exposure if I want to..

But I'm done anyway.

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rrccad

imo .. htp does a great job of protecting blown out sky detail. so much that i rarely worry and expose more for midtones than highlights.
I can usually drop my sky highlights down -3EV and still recover.

I find the concept that you need to ETTR to the point of clipping and no further and then pull shadows up to be artificially limiting and unnecessary.

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Rishi Sanyal

HTP gives you back a stop of highlight detail at the cost of more noisy shadows. It essentially does what you could've done by underexposing your shot by 1EV, then applying a 1EV boost to shadows and midtones (but not highlights).

It doesn't offer more aggressive exposure reduction precisely b/c of the dynamic range limitations of these sensors - you'd run into the noise floor too easily when compensating for that underexposure.

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moga

All in all these new Canons are not bad by any means. While I wouldn't buy any of them I know plenty of fashion and studio photographers that are interested in a 50mp sensor. Not everyone can afford medium format and a sensor like 60 mp in the PhaseOne digital back its not much better.

2 upvotes
Petroglyph

Pentax 645D 4200$, 5DSr 3900$.

4 upvotes
rrccad

how much are those 645D lenses there? what's your kit cost?

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BarnET

Pentax 645D has a CCD sensor.
it's exceptional from ISO 100-200.

Well that's a bit over-reacting but you get the point.

the 645z is an exceptional system. It can images this Canon can't do with exceptional Dynamic range in a single exposure.
you'd have to bracket 3-5 shots with the Canon for compareable results at the low ISO's.

This large 50mp Sony CMOS sensor does come at a price. 645 lenses cover a huge image circle and are produced in very small quantities. So they become very expensive indeed.

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rrccad

lol 3-5 shots for the extra 2-3EV of DR

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BarnET

3 shots +-1 ev is 2 extra stops
5 shots +- 1 ev is 4 extra stops
simple math really.

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rrccad

you do realize you can go 2ev in between shots .. right?

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BarnET

normally people use 1ev intervals.
Some camera's for whatever reason don't even allow more then that.

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rrccad

that's there problem, hasn't been that way on canon since.. well. ever?

and 2ev spread isn't that difficult to handle. any more than a 2ev spread and you're already up at the "top DR" sensors anyways. most times than naught if you are over 11ev .. you're also ever 13ev.

also pulling up shadows is not the only way to optimize DR.

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MartinB77

Regarding Sensor-Tech, Canon is way behind Sony - period.

But I can rmember a time where every other competitor built their CCD sensors and everyone said Canon's CMOS technology is a dead end. Well, Canon proved them lies.

As for me as consumer, I just sit back and wait what's next. Meanwhile my 550D takes good enough pictures for me as at the time I've bought it. Maybe Canon could catch up - hello 80D. If not - hello Nikon/Pentax (i would consider Sony if they could manage it not to lossy compress the RAW files).

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Dr_Jon

As an aside Canon's sensors are as good as anybody's, their issue is they digitise the signals off-sensor which limits the DR you can get at low ISO due to adding some noise. (For example the 6D sensor has 15.5 stops of DR, but you only get to use 12 and a bit due to the extra noise.) At high ISO the off-sensor stuff falls away and they are generally the same at the Sony's, Aptinas and Toshibas (probably better for pattern noise in the latest ones).

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OBI656

Come on, those images ( http://horshack.smugmug.com/photos/i-xJmSDGS/1/O/i-xJmSDGS.jpg ) are not bad, not bad at all. Camera as such is maybe a little bid obsolete however image is what count.

If these cameras show up them self four years ago many of you will buy it.

By the way. I sold all my Canon stuff on eBay beside unused 1V and got my self SONY.

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Hamiltionian

I still don't understand why dpreview uses the Canon 85mm f/1.8 as a testing lens. It is a high quality optic when stopped down but for example, the Otus 85mm is noticeably better.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW

Does DPR own a Zeiss Otus 85mm?

Also the Canon is good but commonly available lens.

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moga

Because it's a great lens (if you find a good copy) and a cheap one.

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vscd

And it has to be comparable with the older tests...

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Erk1024

I must not have a good copy. I looked at some photos I took with this lens and an A7r, and at 100% it wasn't that great. I bought a Rokinon 85mm to replace it, and side by side the Rokinon is much sharper. Of course, there are always variations in production. Wide open both lenses have tons of CA though.

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PeterTahl

aiming at the grayscale (dark side to the right) shows lack of dynamic range of the canon cameras. And that's a big pity. Whereas Nikon and Pentax show distinction in the darker parts, canon fails.

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Rishi Sanyal

I don't think you can determine dynamic range properly from our studio scene. We have a separate set of tests for that.

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PeterTahl

Sure Rishi, but this a real life shoot and it is obvious that there's at least a little gap in distinction of the dark grays

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Rishi Sanyal

OK, but I'm just trying to clarify that that's not got anything to do with dynamic range. That's just a result of the tone curve applied to the Raw file.

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Yanko Kitanov

It's a pity they couldn't reach a bit closer to the 645z. Pentax is still in another league...

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HowaboutRAW

And it costs a bit more, but so does a Leica S2.

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Photomonkey

From what I can see there is not much difference. In a print it will be invisible. As for zooming in PS, who makes money that way?

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Lassoni

Closer to 645z? Like how it can be used for sports/wildlife to capture BIF / motorsports? Versatility makes it much better camera, you bring it everywhere.

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Yanko Kitanov

I am doing college athletics for demo to beginners with a manual, film, no VF, no EV meter, no AF, no Auto aperture Leica IIIc from 1947. This is to show how our grandfathers did sports reportage with great success.

I am ready to discuss this with those who believe they need all the gear in the world for action/sports.

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Lassoni

That doesn't change the fact that 5Ds is more probable / likely to be "general use" camera than Pentax 645z . You get very close to same "detail", whilst the ISO range is much wider to use for different situations. It's the camera you carry with you, whilst pentax might be reserved for some "bigger projects" (for those who have money to buy one)

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Horshack

Here are 100% crops of the 5DS vs 5DSR studio shorts with and without sharpening:

http://horshack.smugmug.com/photos/i-xJmSDGS/1/O/i-xJmSDGS.jpg

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mvmv

Thanks, very informative.

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Nilangsu
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Lassoni

The 5dsr looks oversharpened.. maybe adjust the slider to be 20 (value) lower than 5ds sharpening?

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Hamiltionian

Very interesting, thank you. Agreed, 5DSr looks oversharpened, though I assume you used the same settings. Perhaps the 5DS can achieve the same 'look' as the 5DS R after sharpening, but without the moire?

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Horshack

For fairness I applied the same sharpening to both, which I agree leaves the 5DSR oversharpened. In real-world usage the 5DSR would be sharpened less in post vs the 5DS and with about half the sharpening radius. That would bring the two even closer than what is depicted in my comps.

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fzrTom

A D4 or a D750 RAW in low light test at 3200 ISO looks as good as the 5DS at ... 800 ISO. Clearly this camera isnt done for high or even medium ISO, not sure someone will use it over 800 ISO. It's a camera for studio photo with a lot of light. In this condition it can give good results.

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HFLM

In print mode, or at pixel level? If you don't specify what you mean it is worthless.

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Victor Engel

On my first day with the 5DS I shot a local band at the equivalent of ISO 16000 (6400 and -1 1/3 stop exposure compensation). I posted a few of the pictures on Facebook, and within minutes, one of the pictures was made into the musician's profile picture.

These samples are made with noise reduction completely turned off. Even the default settings in Lightroom greatly improve the result, in terms of noise.

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Lassoni

Victor, could you link some of the pics you found to be most successful?

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Victor Engel

http://victorspictures.com/p466344682 (from the shoot I mentioned -- all handheld with a 135mm lens at f/2)
Hover over the top, left of each image for information. Note the pictures are cropped for composition. You can see by how much by observing the size.

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rrccad

two stops? I'd get your eyes checked in a hurry. i see maybe 1EV for the D4 even less if you compare same resolutions.

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SSantana75

Don't get your eyes checked, you are correct. You shoot Sony, I shoot Fuji + Canon and the guy above is a Canon fanboy, I definitely see at least two stops, even compared to the D750 at same resolution. I'd even go as far to say the X-T1 will produce cleaner images when shot (and exposed correctly) at 6400iso. I love my Canon but unfortunately their sensors just don't cut it in mid-to-high iso's when compared to the competition.

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Lassoni

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=canon_eos5dsr&attr13_1=nikon_d4&attr13_2=nikon_d750&attr13_3=nikon_d4s&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=800&attr16_1=3200&attr16_2=3200&attr16_3=3200&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.6054817275747507&y=-0.8306360657315924 is this what you mean?

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Stanchung

Comparable size then they look pretty similar in noise with the 5DSR noticeably sharper.

But at full res the noise on the 5DSR is obviously worse.

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Stanchung

For print they are all pretty much the same with the lower MP D4 showing noticeably less res.

I think with some optimum noise reduction, it's possible to squeeze out some top notch quality from the 5DSR that surpasses the D810. Banding/moire issues notwithstanding. the D810 has it but D750 and D4s are relatively clean compared.

Notice strong red noise in the 5DSR. :/

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Lassoni

ISO noise is not the biggest issue I see, but the DR that canon has, has been lacking. It's very nice to be able to pull out HDR type of pictures with 1 exposure, or at least being able to play around with the picture a lot more.

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Stanchung

There's still workarounds but I think Canon users who want the resolution would be very happy with it especially in good lighting.

I'm not sure I would use it for a low light event camera though. The load would be too high at the processing end.

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Lassoni

@Victor Engel nice pics, thanks for link :D

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rrccad

lol @SSantana75 .. no i'm actually a realist here.

if you see two ev ISO difference in this .. check your medication.

http://i.gyazo.com/f624d8dd390be448a3c4757f833340f1.png

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Stanchung

rrccad, that's for downsized and the 5DSR does look better.

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rrccad

16mp camera to a 50mp camera .. who in their right mind wouldn't downsize?

not to mention you could do even better on the 5Ds because you could apply software NR and THEN downsize and be even far more ahead of the game.

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Stanchung

not disagreeing rrccad but there are some who would find it taxing on resources with such large files.

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Phototaker41

Too much noise at ISO 6400 in comparison with Sony A7s

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kewlguy

50MP vs 12MP, congrats, you just reached a new level of 'smart'.

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HFLM

? What comparison is that?

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Rishi Sanyal

Remember to hit 'Compare' or 'Print' at upper right when comparing cameras of vastly different resolutions. The 5DS cameras in fact do quite well, despite their high resolution.

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rrccad

not to mention, you can apply post RAW NR to the 5Ds's 50Mp, and then downsize to 12Mp.

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Marcelobtp

more than 3000 comments, this is a new record?

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Zeisschen

maybe, but 95% negative comments was a record ...

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The Silver Nemesis

It is not a record, it is a trend.
Probably it will go to 100% (soon), and then everybody (not quite sure yet about DPR staff) will be happy. 100%, however, can have multiple meanings. In North Korea, for instance, common people are experiencing one version of that 100%...

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Zeisschen

Unfortunately a forum is quite democratic and has freedom of speech. The ones they think they live in North Korea are obviously Canons managers...

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The Silver Nemesis

Freedom of speech does not mean that you are right. I have explained that in one of my previous posts.

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Zeisschen

Unfortunately whether democracy nor freedom of speech has anything to do with being right or wrong. But what was your point?

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The Silver Nemesis

My point was: this site is, judging by most comments (but not limited to), unipolar. There are fervent writers, like you, expressing their pow. That's fine (and aligned with the freedom of speech). What is not fine, im my opinion, is the way the discussion goes ("I'm OK, you stil have a long way..."). I don't really care if you are a brand adept, bashing other brands, I am here to LEARN from people that already USED the equipment, because this, I think, is entitling them to have a solid opinion. And even there there is bias. So, you already had access to 5DS and A7RII? Great! Can you tell me which tech features made your photographic journey great or miserable? P. S.: oh, dear, look, my Veyron is better than your Aventador...!

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sportyaccordy

I don't see what the problem is. It looks competitive at the minimum and slightly more saturated RAW (which is a plus IMO). Can't see EXIF values here- how do the exposures compare? What lens did they use?

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Lassoni

there's no "plus" from having saturated raw. I've never heard that one before!

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Mssimo

The subjective user review comments range from terrible to OK. Not even a single "amazing or spectacular". Imagine how this camera will be viewed this time next year. My guess is that the price will drop like a rock (maybe starting in the next month or so). First drop will be to $3199 to match sony A7rII and im sure it will be down to mid $2000's by 2nd half next year. Its still a great camera, but it does not look as great when you start comparing it to the competition. I remember how much I wanted to like Olympus cameras back in the DSLR days. Awesome cameras with great lenses and crap sensors. When olympus went to sony sensors they already lost me but gained many new customers along with several awards. What are you waiting for canon?

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Stanchung

It's a ploy to drop the price by sneaky Canon users. haha

I think it's has a very capable sensor. It does look like the best for resolution with a pretty intense colour profile.

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aarif

better then i thought

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AbrasiveReducer

The comments about Canon becoming a lens supplier to Sony are amusing, but I can't help thinking that if Canon does move to a better sensor, it's all over. Sony will still handle the "innovation" by making what nobody else does (same for Fuji) but from Canon's point of view, access to all Canon lenses, no adapters, Sony sensor quality, that would pretty much cover SLR users.

Come on Canon, let Sony make the mirrorless electronic wonders and also the sensors in your SLRs so we can have Nikon quality, without having to deal with Nikon.

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Frank C.

Unlikely to happen, Canon will milk their sensor tech to the max in order to preserve their profit margins and keep shareholders happy. They understand the majority of consumers buy on brand recognition only (Canon is king) and that pros are locked into their lens system...basically a win-win situation for them!

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The Silver Nemesis

Canon is not king. It is a president & CEO. And there is a Board of Directors out there...

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Eric Hensel

" I can't help thinking that if Canon does move to a better sensor, it's all over."
This assumes Sony is standing still.
Canon is in an unenviable position.

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Zeisschen

It's not only about the lenses. DSLR just look very old today

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Alpha Jack

I'm a Sony shooter and I agree. In fact I could argue that this allows Canon shooters a chance to keep their foot in the Canon door. More may end up buying Sony bodies but now that they can use their current lenses there is little pressure to dump them. They can just wait for Canon bodies to improve enough. Maybe that's why Maki stated that Sony lenses have to be better than Canon. If Canon owners buy Sony bodies, there is no conversion until they also start buying some lenses.

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Alpha Jack

Let me also add that the knife cuts both ways. As a Sony shooter I might pick up an adapter and Canon lens or 2. Now if Canon in the future were to provide a killer body, I might sell out to Canon. Am I the only Sony shooter that has had that thought?

1 upvote
The Silver Nemesis

@Eric: Canon is in an unenviable position because Sony strategy (based on an ancient Greek trick - the Trojan Horse) was brilliant. It is not the sensors per se, but the ability to gain the market. This is the only thing that can hit Canon where it hurts most. But there is a warning as well: you want both Canon and Nikon back in sensor tech. Otherwise, if there will be only one winner, prices might look curious for the consumer. Just look at AMD/Intel...or Microsoft vs everybody...

1 upvote
Zeisschen

@ Alpha Jack

Yes, you are.

@ Silver Nemesis

I think it's not only about sensor tech. SLR cameras got ridiculously big after the transition from film to digital. Zoom lenses became popular but had to be fast and thus big, to compensate the bad high ISO of the first digital sensors.

Meanwhile technology changed. With sensors like on the Sony A7s you can shoot in moonlight at F8 and still get amazing results. For F4 zooms and the very popular prime lenses you don't need a huge body.

What I mean is, the smaller form factor is what's appealing about the Sony cameras at least as much as the sensors do. To achieve AF performance like on a DSLR, that was the only big challenge for mirrorless. It seems to be solved no, so DSLR AF technology got more less obsolete.

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rrccad

Sony strategy was brilliant. the strategy that sees them down from a high of a 20% marketshare to one langiushing around 11?

0 upvotes
The Silver Nemesis

@Zeisschen: sorry, I disagree. Smaller form factor is not ALWAYS an advantage, as it brings some structural compromises. The sensor was / is the top selling point (so far).
@rrccad: wait and see, please. It is a mid-long term strategy. Unless Canon and Nikon will DO something.

0 upvotes
Ktrphoto

@Zeisschen

I agree with The Silver Nemesis. A smaller form factor alters your control over depth of field. Many of us think that the 35mm form factor is close to ideal ... at least so far as control over depth of field is concerned.

As for: "DSLR just look very old today"

So what? Whether or not it "looks old" is irrelevant to choice of camera... unless you are more interested in looking cool and up-to-date than you are in making photographs.

Actually - hold the press. Looking old can be an ADVANTAGE for a camera.

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Zeisschen

so we agree to disagree

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Ktrphoto

No I don't agree to disagree. I simply disagree and I think you are wrong to think that the DSLR form factor is obsolete.

0 upvotes
Zeisschen
0 upvotes
tocar

I've heard numerous times that mirrorless cameras will bring the demise of the dSLR but so far it hasn't happen. dSLR sales are still strong and will be in the near future. Why would Canon have Sony make their sensors for dSLRs when Canon can do it themselves? I know Sony makes sensors for some point and shoots for Canon but sometimes I wonder if it's worth it.

0 upvotes
Eric Hensel

"No I don't agree to disagree. I simply disagree and I think you are wrong to think that the DSLR form factor is obsolete."
Amazing...

0 upvotes
tocar

I didn't say it was obsolete.

0 upvotes
Eric Hensel

tocar, I was referring to KTRphoto's post --notice the quotation marks?

0 upvotes
Mark Stump

All look about the same to me.

2 upvotes
kevin_r

Just going by the existing cameras, I'd venture to say that the 5DR will match the A7RII at ISO 12800.
OK, you can flame me now.

1 upvote
futile32

Anyone else seeing comments marked as 4months ago? on page 4/5 onward

1 upvote
Klaus Weber

yes, this is because new stuff is added to the same article that was originally published back then.

1 upvote
Everlast66

Yep, DPR probably periodically link all the articles related to the 5DS/R review in progress to the same thread and thats how it accumulated over 3k comments.

1 upvote
futile32

yeah just figured that out, appologies. Confused the crap out of me

2 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

Yes, because this is a revision to an old post.

1 upvote
Caerolle

DPR has learned from Canon. This same article will appear, slightly updated, for the next ten years.

22 upvotes
garyknrd

Kinda curious why anyone would pick this over the new Sony?
What are the advantages?

3 upvotes
Gesture

Established lens, flashes, accessories. Canon support network for professionals, commercial photographers. You like the Canon image "look."

8 upvotes
Klaus Weber

Much, much more lenses in offer (solutions with metabones adaptor are "nice", but not really good). Better handling of a bigger camera, esp. with bigger hands. These would be my two big reasons, there are more for sure.

But yes, I would love to see a Sony sensor in a Canon SLR body, really!

2 upvotes
Frank C.

If the A7R II is all what it's cracked up to be it'll have many Canon users scratching their heads, pros maybe not so much, but consumers/prosumers heck ya!

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11 upvotes
Everlast66

These Canon cameras are like "kit cameras" you get with the Canon lenses that you buy for your A7R II
;p

9 upvotes
drivecancel

Native telephotos for sports/wildlife since I guess Sony with adaptors still won't be quick enough to track/focus on such subjects

Otherwise I have no idea, Canon's the worst value for money.

2 upvotes
Teila Day

Better 3rd party support. You can walk into almost any camera store, in almost any country, and get things for a Nikon/Canon... One can't do that with Sony.

0 upvotes
drivecancel

You could argue you can now that there's both a Nikon and Canon adapter for Sony cameras! Everything is third party.

You might have a point when it comes to other accessories though.

1 upvote
BarnET

The Nikon F-mount has 19th century mechincal couplings.
making a adapter for it sucks balls.

Metabones doesn't have a smart adapter for Nikon F-mount glass yet. So no autofocus no aperture control(unless you get a adapter with a stupid lever) no optical stabilisation.

So Canon EF-mount is the only way to go on Sony camera's until they finish their own lens-lineup. Kinda sucks since that means we can never buy a proper native Dslr with a good sensor for those lenses.

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Frank C.

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-5ds-sr/7

100 ISO +6EV compare Nikon vs Canon

Nikon kills ANYTHING Canon

shame....Canon's got some pretty good glass

I guess it'll eventually be used on the A7R II

Canon to become Sony premier's lens supplier!

18 upvotes
futile32

Wow that is quite a stark difference.

0 upvotes
jnd

Why are people obsessed with underexposing by 6 stops? Yeah, we know that Canon isn't ISOless, so dial in the proper settings and be done with it.

5 upvotes
Lanski

Nobody is obsessed with underexposing by 6 stops. Nobody is suggesting you'd deliberately (or even accidentally) underexpose the whole scene by 6 stops. The 6 stops test is a good way of showing how much shadow pulling latitude a camera has. It may be that in order to capture the highlights you may need to underexpose another part of the image by 6 stops, but it will more likely be the case that you'll have underexposed part of the image by 3 or 4 stops. The 6 stops test will still give you a good guide as to how well those areas (not the whole image) can be recovered when processing the RAW in your chosen software.

22 upvotes
Rishi Sanyal

Lanski - perhaps we should have you writing for us. :) Thanks for that clarification.

1 upvote
scrup

Big difference in files sizes as well.

5DS R
JPG - 46.2MB
RAW 46.9MB

D810
JPG - 23MB
RAW - 70.9MB

0 upvotes
iwannabesedated

You must be basing your comparison on Nikon uncompressed RAWs. Lossless compressed RAWs (used by most Nikon shooters) weigh in at about 42MB. As their name implies, they are LOSSLESS, so no reduction in quality, just size. Regards.

0 upvotes
memau

when you don't want shooting EV bracket to get HDR shot you'll appreciate how good sony sensor can do LoL
and don't forget canon camera usually has lower DR about 1.5EV less than competitors, the difference will be more significant if you really want to preserve highlight detail

0 upvotes
scrup

Just based on Franks link
In the comparison tool DPReview has the files to download and shows the file size.

0 upvotes
W4YNE 1

Test scene family around the drawing easel, bottom right hand corner on the floor between the easels legs, is that a red & blue patterning on the floor from the Nikon 810 sample?

0 upvotes
Sonylover1

Long time user of Sony (F828, R1, Nex7, Rx100) and Canon (T90, 40D, 7D, 1DsIII) I am more and more impressed by Nikon 810 and the latest development by Sony.

Canon 5D S or R, little difference, both need AAfilter are no match for Nikon 810. And we havent seen Sony A7RII yet! Disappointed.

Canon have the best Lenslineup beside Nikon. They should open up for cooperation with Sony and admit use of their lensring.
The best of both world and Canonlenses would flood the market.

I am in love with my Canons but as a Sonylover I cant dream of a more innovative manufacturer than Sony.

7 upvotes
armandino

I find statements such as "Canon 5D S or R, little difference, both need AAfilter are no match for Nikon 810" quite amusing and narrow minded.
Have you used them both? I mean, did you take them both in the studio or for field work?
Based on common experience it seems obvious that if someone frequently needs lots of DR the D810 has more to offer. However for most common applications if shear resolution is what is in demand the 5DS is likely the better offering. Not to mention that photographer might have different preferences in the ergonomics. Things might look different when the D8XX will receive the 42.5MP sensor.

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Sonylover1

Narrow minded or not. It was my statement in a short commentary. Dont expect a comprehensive analyze.
All modern cameras are wonderful tools - the shortcomings is on the photographer. D810 has been tested - its a real killer.
Canon dont do any quantumleaps - other does.

0 upvotes
futile32

Looks good to me, better than I think people suspected. Curious to see how it scored on DXO

2 upvotes
armandino

me too, my guess is 85-89

0 upvotes
rpm40

Is the difference in the filters really enough to need/justify two different models? Seems like an unnecessary waste of resources to me.

3 upvotes
Lassoni

Canon is late to the whole D800/E train. But then again, their sensors have been late for a while now..

0 upvotes
armandino

Canon could have been there earlier, but saying it is late I think it is not right. Now it is not late at all, it seems to me that majority out there thinks that 50 MP is obscene and many swear by 16 "good" MP. It think times are just maturing for such market and this camera is ready when finally all the critical glass has been updated to match the massive resolution. Overall I prefer the Canon strategy, beside the incomprehensible attachment to old design sensors. I have hard time understand the logic of Nikon cameras specs random scatter.

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nikkornikon

Why am I seeing a more clearer and crisp pic on the Nikon D810....than the Canon? in Raw and Jpeg? Poor ISO and Poor Dynamic...Yep it's Canon. lol

15 upvotes
dwill23

Yep, Sony has a better sensor, and since nikon can't develop it's own, they buy it. Canon has led the market for a long time, but read some lens reviews on this site, like the 70-200f2.8 II and you'll see there's a good balance between the two cameras. Once nikon jumps out of bed with Sony they're a dead duck. You think Sony wouldn't do that? Yeah right, it's SONY!!

Also, poor ISO and dynamic range? How many cameras can beat it with similar mega pixel? A few? I wouldn't call that 'poor' by any means. You sound like a newbe troll.

6 upvotes
User9362470513

Look at the black and white writing above the center - it is more legible with the Canon than the 810 or the Pentax. The sketch of the man's face is much more detailed with the Canon. But I guess this does not fit the usual anti-Canon agenda on here. I am sure working pros will continue to buy Canon though.

2 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

dwil:

"Once nikon[sic] jumps out of bed with Sony they're a dead duck."

Because the use of Toshiba and Renesas sensors in Nikon DSLRs has been such big failure. NOT.

8 upvotes
Frank C.

I think Canon will jump to Sony sensors before Nikon jumps out of Sony sensors LOL

8 upvotes
Josh152

Actually Nikon is the smart one. Instead of investing heavily in their own fab lines which force them to keep using outdated sensors *cough* Canon *cough*, they have Sony who already has the equipment and makes the best sensors currently available make one to order for them. Further they can shop around and aren't stuck with one sensor manufacture so they can always go with what is best for the camera they are making. It is much smarter from a business and tech perspective.

6 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

Amazing how many ignore the fact that Nikon also uses Renesas, Aptina and Toshiba.

The Nikon Df is a better high ISO body than the Sony A7S, and Nikon is using a Renesas sensor there, likely engineered by Nikon though.

Panasonic has some of its own sensors in Olympus and Panasonic cameras.

Right Sony makes excellent sensors, but "best" is debatable.

1 upvote
BarnET

Toshiba had banding issues in the D7100. The Sony variant was better since it did not have that limitation. Apart from that Toshiba and Sony share a lot of knowledge in semiconducter technology. They're more like partners then competitors.

The renesas is a pure sports sensor of 16mp with fast read-out and exceptional High ISO's however it's 16mp and the dynamic range is a bit more limited. Don't get me wrong this one is very good and the best for some users

(cr)aptina never got praise. these sensors just suck.

The only Panasonic mirrorless with a Sony sensor is the GH3. Probably since their own sensors were not up to the task of a flagship model until the Gx7 was released.

Olympus used panasonic 12mp first. Then the 16mp Sony once it became available. And now i think they use both in different models.

Sony makes the best sensors looking at the whole line. Even though some can exceed the current Sony sensors in some sensor sizes

Samsung comes to mind with that 28mp sensor

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HowaboutRAW

BarnET:

Aptina sensors are far from crap. This is just a myth.

The D7100 bands yes, but at far higher ISOs than other APSC bodies. (Yes, Sony and Toshiba could be more like partners here.)

The Olympus EM1 uses a Panasonic sensor--this according to someone from Olympus.

That 16MP Renesas/Nikon sensor remains a better high ISO sensor than the 12MP sensor in the Sony A7S. Though Sony could probably solve this problem with better heat dispersion in future models.

If "the whole line" includes P+S sensors, then yes Sony makes the best sensors, but that's pretty far from the mirrorless/DSLR market.

Sony has remarkable full framed 24MP and 36MP sensors, very good APSC 24MP and 16MP sensors, and the 1" 20MP sensor. And that's a substantial line up. (Obviously new ones are on the way too.)

0 upvotes
Bervilat

Now, Canon, please make this sensor deliver 16 bit raw (just like the ones in medium format do) and stuck it into something a bit bigger than the EOS M (just enough to fit the larger sensor) and sell for 1000 dollars.

One can always dream, right?

3 upvotes
Zeisschen

you got to dream a bit more. There's more about making a great mirrorless camera than jsut putting an high megapixel sensor into a body and making file sizes even bigger...

2 upvotes
Bervilat

Oh yea, but that is MY dream camera, not yours.
I just want the best IQ on a compact package that doesn't have expensive features I don't need.

2 upvotes
dwill23

I like my EOS m3. But FF would be nice.

But what I really want that canon doesn't do is give live view focus on anything full frame. Sure the EOSM3 and 70D cameras have it, (and i'm sure newer cameras like the 7D2), but the 5d2 and 5d3 and 5ds don't have it. Why? They want you to use their $20,000 video cameras. boo on you canon.

Why do i want live view focusing so much? Cause that's the only consistent way to focus Sigma's amazing lenses. They truly are insane, but the focus is all over the place, unless you use live view, then deadly accurate every time at f1.4, even close up.

2 upvotes
ET2

Increasing bit depth doesn't increase image quality if the sensor is not up to task. It's actually waste of resources, slows down camera and achieves absolutely nothing

See https://theory.uchicago.edu/~ejm/pix/20d/tests/noise/noise-p3.html

13 upvotes
groucher

That is the best article I've ever read on the subject ET2. Thanks for the link.

1 upvote
Bervilat

ET2 , that was a really nice read! It made me change my mind about my request, it now includes the sensor being worth 16 bits ;)

0 upvotes
AngularJS

Looks quite on par with the Pentax 645Z. What lenses did you guys use for the 5ds(r) and the Nikon? Since the Otus 85 is available on both platforms, would it be nicer to start using it?

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moga

Why buying a 4k $ lens for studio test shots when at f/5.6 - 8 they are about the same? By the way, the Canon 85 1.8 is as sharp as it gets for a fast prime lens.

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AngularJS

Not really. Some lenses don't have Otus' resolution even stepped down (DxO and lenscore.org are your friends!), especially talking about the 50Mpx sensors.

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moga

The diffraction limited f stop for this 50 mp sensor is around f/7.1-8. At this aperture you can get pixel level detail, if you want, with about any lens at least in the center of the frame... well not with craps like 75-300.
While the 55 and 85 Otus are APO corrected lenses, they have more contrast but their qualities start to be even due to diffraction by f/8. So for studio test where we can judge the quality of sensors I don't see the need of an APO lens.

0 upvotes
maljo@inreach.com

They all look very good.

4 upvotes
Jylppy

Looks good, but that much sharper vs Nikon D810. Might be a lens issue also. Chroma noise pumps up a lot after ISO 1600 :-( It will be interesting to see how far will Sony get with A7R II.

0 upvotes
AEndrs

Pentax 645z, you da real MVP
[image of man crying at the microphone]

0 upvotes
JurijTurnsek

Looks good, but not much better (if at all) than Nikon D810. Meaning Sony a7r II should be just as good (probably a little better at high ISO) for a lower price and with a slew of other features.

Also, high ISO improvements bring improvements to medium ISO levels too. And if you don't shoot above 6400, you yourself have a limited photographic vision. Natural light exists with a reason.

3 upvotes
J A C S

Better resolution + less aliasing = better.

0 upvotes
Nukunukoo

Good Lord, why are people so obsessed with taking photos above ISO 6400? Maybe you guys should take off that ND 16 filter off your lens!!!

18 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

Because people shoot indoors with little light and hope to use shutter speeds faster than 1/25 of a second.

Anyhow: Obviously there are better higher ISO cameras than this.

10 upvotes
xlabsmedan

90% of my photograp was indoors with little light and i dont like use a flash (light will be not natural) and sure, ISO above 6400 is very important...

:)

3 upvotes
fatdeeman

Indoors, low light, sports and other moving subjects indoors or in low light? Nightime shooting? I guess you only take photos under a full sun...

2 upvotes
armandino

Sure guys, you are all right. But this camera does not target that audience, it was a clear statement, if you need low light 5DS is not design for you. If you need speed on the highway buy a sportcar, if you need space buy a truck. Is this hard or we just love arguing for the sake of it?

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HowaboutRAW

armandino:

Because the OP pretends that no one would ever have any need or want shoot above ASA 6400.

Of course this isn't the camera to do it, but it's the invented limit that's caused so much objection.

Thru ISO 6400, I've been really impressed with my raws from the 5DS, used the 50mm f/1.2. And above 6400 could be useful in limited situations.

1 upvote
drivecancel

You should try having a modern sensor that can shoot cleanly at ISO 12800, maybe then you will figure out why people shoot above 6400 if they can safely.

1 upvote
armandino

@ drivecancel
the 5DS sensor is based on the 7DII that is not bad at all in noise performance. Actually the sensor efficiency is right up there. I bet that 5DSr will come up with the best low-light scoring on DXO yet. And possibly the A7rII will take the crown away from it right after. Your "modern sensor that can shoot cleanly at ISO 12800" assertion is either arrogant or incompetent.

0 upvotes
Nukunukoo

So I guess at ISO 6400 and above, you all are happy with the quality of the photos then? Or am I to critical of the quality of mine?

0 upvotes
armandino

@Nukunukoo
I agree with you above 6400 or maybe 12800 the image just looks passable, but for some type of photography there is just no choice and that is why for who shoots a lot at high iso one stop gain is huge and is so animated about iso performance.

0 upvotes
fatdeeman

@Nukunukoo

How's the quality of the ones that don't exist because you wouldn't shoot above 6400?

0 upvotes
Nukunukoo

@fatdeeman

Perhaps, but I compose my shots and lighting so that I will never need it and when I do, it seldom, if ever, goes to the client.

0 upvotes
zorgon

Looks pretty good to me, not sure what all the whining is about.

3 upvotes
Sergiusbr

Because It is a C***n!

0 upvotes
slideup

OMG, 50 mp @@ I have to say, 5DS is turning out to be much better than the initial nay-sayers were saying it to be.

0 upvotes
Segaman

Dynamic range with HDR is a great tool. Specially with the new plugin from Lightroom.
You can do great pics, its on youtube, and free.
http://youtu.be/d9508sHP2Gc

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3 upvotes
Lassoni

The HDR in newest lightroom is still very much in its babysteps. The Photomatix hdr is still much better, whether you go for natural or unnatural look.

0 upvotes
Segaman

Might want to look at the tutorial the dude did on youtube, its really great, not sure if he was at the grand canyon, but its sublime.

0 upvotes
Lassoni

There's no tool for selecting areas where the ghosting should be removed (like there's photomatix), everything is automated. The user isn't provided enough options on how the hdr merge will happen. It's a hit and miss, works for some photos and doesn't work at all for others.

I'm going to paste this because it has some good points http://www.stuckincustoms.com/2015/04/23/lightroom-6-and-hdr-wtfadobehdr/

I prefer lightroom over dxo optics pro because of the speed at how you can edit things (some features are pretty good on dso, like the distortion correction). But the "speed" that makes lightroom so good is LOST when the HDR process is made. The process is said to be muuuuuuuuuuch slower than that of photomatix, and it gives enough time for someone to make some coffee. That's not very good.

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Picturenaut

Just a comment after using a 7DII for a while now. If the 5D's noise performance is about similar to the 7DII's, then no real photographer would go beyond ISO 12800 (or much less!). So I don't find Canon's decision to cap ISO sensitivity at ISO 6400/12800 in the 5D's "odd", as Barnaby Britton states here, but wise. Higher ISO's would be just a marketing gag, and that's not needed for a pro/prosumer market product. Nobody would invest in such extremely high resolving (studio/landscape) cameras to shoot them with ISO settings that kill all this resolution advantage.

20 upvotes
TheEngineer

I disagree with everything you just said!

6 upvotes
vscd

I agree with everything he said.

11 upvotes
ozturert

No real photographer goes beyond ISO12800 anyway.

0 upvotes
Stollen1234

Lol not just high ISO..thats so yesterday..high ISO at candle light kids party running arround..

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HowaboutRAW

Picturenaut:

I've tried the 5DS in bad light more than once, and it's impressive through ISO 6400--in raw.

And anything much beyond would be marketing as you say.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW

ozturert:

And in the year 2000 people said the same thing of 35mm ISO 400 colour film.

Times change, capacities improve, in year 2005 terms this is a very good high ISO camera.

And today, there plenty of "real photographers" who shoot past ISO 12,800. But this is not the camera for such shooting.

0 upvotes
ozturert

For ISO12800 there is 5DMarkIII or 1Dx. Still at ISO12800 what you get from those is a joke usually.
Canon makes 5Ds' target very clear. If not for you, you buy something else.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

ozturert:

That wasn't your point, and that wasn't the question.

You broadly dismissed the idea of anyone shooting at ISOs above 13K.

Nikon is better for that kind of thing anyhow.

0 upvotes
ozturert

No that was my point, kind of. Give it to lack of my English :)
5Ds is for a specific target of customers. Above ISO6400 at low light (not talking about ISO6400 + f2.8 + 1/1000 shots), 99% of the time you cannot get big prints because the quality is so low, even with D4s. With 5Ds you have 50 million pixels to use, D4s has "only" 16 millions. On a print, you probably would not get worse results with 5Ds at ISO6400 or 12800 (except from MAYBE at dynamic range).
Anyway, talk to 100 portrait/studio/scenery/architechture/fashion photograph professionals, 99 will tell that they don't use above ISO3200.
Me, yes I use crazy ISO values like 12800, 25600 etc.., but then I don't print or share large anyway when I do.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

Different point then.

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Ktrphoto

"No real photographer would go beyond ISO12800" !!

Who remembers the days when we thought 400 ASA was a fast film, there was no IS, and we did not have software tools to drag back the highlights, pull out shadow detail, correct the colour, reduce the grain and sharpen it up!!

Anyone that has taken up photography since the demise of film does not know how lucky they are or how easy the technical side has become.

I suggest spending a few days with a Nikon F, a 50mm lens, and a hand-held exposure metre, and a few rolls of whatever B&W 400 ASA you can still find. That will give a proper perspective on the amazing capabilities of present day picture taking machines

0 upvotes
ozturert

If you always need ISO25600, then you need a different lighting setup or faster lenses or a different camera (and not 50MP).
Yes, I'd love to have ISO409600 with clean 100MP too.

0 upvotes
munro harrap

IF you dont mind someone removed my comments about the appalling image quality from the samples showing a very poor lens being used for the night shots-completely unsharp, especially at the right third of the image, and at 5.6 in the centre of the image area. This is unacceptable on a 1Ds MkII, so I'm glad Drpeview are showiung how bad the lenses sometimes are, but unglad that I have to repeat myself because .......censorship?

1 upvote
Richard Butler

I can find no record of such a comment having been deleted.

3 upvotes
honey123

good cam

1 upvote
munro harrap

AS long as there's the same short lag the D800 has it might be OK. I'm hoping that Canon will at last nail autofocus with face recognition. As there does need to be a face-first mode on a reportage camera you can rely on, because normally all these machines pick the brightest highest contrast bit that intrudes into the AF area, and the problem is that when you adjust and reshoot it always happens again until you give up and use manual focus!! At these magnifications out of focus subjects cannot escape due to their small size, and Canikon has sensitive outer area focus areas that seem naggingly to grab when they shouldn't and fail (with the people snaps) when they should grab onto the subjects.

Otherwise manual focus!! with super manual focus Nikon lenses in adapters in aperture priority mode, as usual. And there's all those fast Samyangs as well, so Nikon users can simply switch back to Canon and use their Nikon fit optics until they have saved enough to indulge themselves!

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ScapingFeet

Rishi, any idea how many exposure shots can be bracketed at once?

June is almost here, wondering how many deposits are on these fine units?

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1 upvote
Lanidrac

It scares me. 50MP?

9 upvotes
JJSWAG77Z

Most of these photos were taken on sub par lenses. Except 12-40 and 70-200 IS II. I wanna see this on the 85mm 1.2L the 135mm f2 L and also the 200 f2.8L. Flouride elements and aspherical will do it justice.

4 upvotes
Martin Crombie Photography

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/photos/3204378/?inAlbum=canon-eos-5ds-r-real-world-samples-gallery-beta

0 upvotes
Picturenaut

I agree, but I'd not take a 85/1.2 as a reference prime, I'd prefer if DPR would use some other primes including macros. I love my 85/1.2, but this is the king of bokeh, not sharpness, in Canon's lens line.

5 upvotes
Segaman

This picture got a lot of attention.
Its always nice to see phtographers hit the target with a great pics.
It show's us what is possible to get out of the camera

3 upvotes
xyzzyx

Amazing amount of people here that hates progress!

First digital camera I used was in 96. The powershot 600.

It's always the same, big jump in resolution, compromises made on noise, people yell and complain, but I always find that in the end, if you down sample to the same resolution, things are actually better!

What I see as I go through the different parts of the test image, yes, the D750 is doing pretty well at +6, but anything else... Look at the smallest text for instance, there is more detail in the D5s up to, and including, +5. Yes, there is more noise, but also more detail.

Download both full image, resample to same size and look at the circle in the center. Definitely clearer in D5s, even at +5, but it also looks like the D5s may have stronger contrast and/or sharpening (sorry, looking at the jpg now) which could affect the noise as well.

Not taken time to study the raws though, but this looks pretty good. The Nikon is cleaner, but the Canon has the detaills.

7 upvotes
En Trance

I am glad that the NO MP people have to deal with things instead of putting their heads in the sand. Manufacturers are working out problems. Das es Guuud!

2 upvotes
Just Ed

My first digital camera was a Ricoh 480x640 "Full VGA" camera.
It took pretty good pictures despite the lousy resolution....great flash.

0 upvotes
En Trance

There is no logical reason to SPITE RESOLUTION. Perfect It!

0 upvotes
Lassoni

I have to say, 5DS is turning out to be much better than the initial nay-sayers were saying it to be. The lack of better DR is still there, but the 6400 ISO noise performance against D810 looks very very good

3 upvotes
Mr Ed M

I was hoping the Tulip Sunrise RAW was included in the RAWS ZIP.

I've really like to try and process the photo in DPP 4.

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3 upvotes
Larsskv

I agree! I would probably process that picture. It doesn't need that much lifting in the shadows, and less lifting will show less noise. Processed to my liking, I don't think the noise would be so apparent.

As much as progress is good, and more DR is desirable, I always find that the Pictures from my Canon 6D can be pushed to my liking, without noise issues. Natural shadows will rarely look natural, if pushed more than 2-3 stops, and my 6D does that good enough. The DR debate is out of proportion.

4 upvotes
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