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An
Interview with Steve Vai
Rock Guitar's Top Gun
For guitar hero Steve Vai 79, music has to come from the heart and mind . . . with
an edge.
Steve Vai 79, in his own words, is a walking dichotomy. As a former key member of
Frank Zappas band and top-drawing arena acts Whitesnake and the David Lee Roth band,
Vai earned his stripes before stadium audiences across the globe in the 80s, coaxing
hyper-speed solos and bizarre sound effects out of his guitar while engaging in flamboyant
rock-and-roll stage antics.
What might appear (to some) to contradict that history is Vais sometimes
intellectual approach to his own music. For example, for Down Deep into the
Pain from his 1993 album Sex & Religion, Vai worked with a scale he created
which divides the octave into 16 equal divisions instead of the 12 divisions of the equal
temperament, to evoke a divine dissonance in the tunes final section.
With unbridled creative license in his own studio, Vai has consistently produced
thoughtful and technically astonishing music on his solo albums.
Vais dual nature shows up in his personal as well as musical life. He eschews the
stereotypical excesses viewed by many as the spoils of rock-and-roll stardom. Today, he is
a devoted family man with a wife and two sons, and is quite outspoken about his aversion
to drug and alcohol use.
Raised in an Italian-American household in Carle Place, New York, Steve started out
playing the accordion, and later played tuba in his high school band. But after the first
hearing of his sisters Led Zeppelin albums, Steve was inseparable from the guitar.
Even in his teen years, Vais energy for music went beyond playing cover tunes in
Long Islands pubs by night with his garage band. At the same time he composed his
first score, Sweet Wind from Orange County, for his school orchestra.
Vais thirst for musical knowledge brought him to Berklee in the fall of 1978. His
roommate at Berklee got him interested in transcribing music from recordsa vitally
important development for Vais future. With his typical intensity, he set about
meticulously transcribing some of Frank Zappas most challenging music. After weeks
of work on The Black Page, Vai sent a copy to Zappa, who wrote back offering
him a job as his transcriber. By the time he was 20, Steve was playing in Zappas
band, frequently being introduced by Frank as his little Italian virtuoso.
Vais playing and transcribing prowess caught the attention of the editors of Guitar
Player magazine, who made Steves fusion rave-up The Attitude Song their
premiere soundpage insert and featured his transcription work in a monthly column. Doors
began opening, and his first album, Flex-able sold 250,000 copies. His unforgettable
guitar duel scene as Jack Butler, the devils top guitarist in the
blues-fantasy film Crossroads, gave Vai even greater visibility.
Notable stints as David Lee Roths post-Eddie Van Halen lead player, and as the
replacement for guitar-slingers Yngwie Malmsteen in Alcatrazz and Adrian Vandenberg in
Whitesnake, boosted ticket and album sales for each act. In 1990, Vai released Passion
& Warfare, a fiery instrumental disc that sold over 800,000 copies and shored up his
position at the summit of the rock guitar heapa spot he has maintained for nearly a
decade.
In the years since the Passion & Warfare album, Steve released Sex & Religion, and
toured as one third of a hugely successful guitar triumvirate featuring Eric Johnson and
Joe Satriani. A live CD from the tour was released in 1998. Steve has since gone back into
the studio to polish up some outtakes from his Flex-able sessions for a much anticipated
CD.
This interview was conducted back in 1993 as Steve sat on the sun-drenched deck of his
Lake Tahoe home thinking about where hes been and where hes headed.
Q. Do you ever play with any of the people you met when you were at Berklee?
As a matter of fact, on August 6, my band was featured playing with Branford Marsalis and
the Tonight Show band at the end of the program. I wrote an arrangement of a song from my
album so our bands could play together. Branford and his guitarist Kevin Eubanks went to
Berklee at the same time I did. They are really fine musicians.
Q. What are your thoughts on musical literacy for rock musicians?
A lot of people like to knock music schools, but I really enjoyed my time at Berklee and
got a whole lot out of it. That is one of the few environments where you can go knock on
someones door, whether they are a sax player, flute player, or heavy metal
guitarist, and ask them if theyd like to jam.
If a person has the right attitude, a music school like Berklee is a good place to learn.
I saw that those with a good attitude got more out of the school than those with a bad
attitude.
Q. A lot of rock musicians would rather not learn to read music or know theory.
I would not say knowing theory or not knowing it is good or bad. For me, I like to know
the music because it helps my expression. I can sit with manuscript paper and compose
music that I couldnt do if I didnt know music. The big mistake some people
make is thinking that if you know music you cant play from the heart, but it is all
up to the individual. Those statements usually come from someone who has not taken the
time or had the discipline to sit and learn. If they did, they would realize that there is
a whole other world of expression.
It would be wrong to say that because he understood music, Mozart couldnt write or
play from the heart. Those great classical composers only choice was to write their
music down. You cant dismiss what theyve done because they knew how to write
down the little black dots. Sometimes you find trained musicians who cant really
express themselves very well, but can resort to the little technicalities or mathematics.
It is easy for some with a very analytical mind to write melodies and counterpoint without
breaking the rules. But the bottom line is how it sounds.
Q. You originally came to Berklee to learn arranging and film scoring. Were you
hopeful then of making a name as a rock guitarist?
Today I am pretty much what I was back then. My guitar technique has changed, but I was
always interested in arranging and playing challenging music. What I did on my Passion
& Warfare and Sex & Religion albums is very similar to what I did back then.
Actually, my song Sleep from the Flex-Able album was written while I was at
Berklee. I wrote it for a harmony class that Mike Metheny taught.
Q. Was he an influential teacher for you during your Berklee years?
I had some really great teachers. Mike Metheny was one. Wes Hensel was also a fabulous
teacher. Mike Palermo was my ear-training teacher, and he was really into Frank Zappa. He
told our class that in order to play with Zappa, first of all you had to be good, and
second, there was a two-year waiting list.
Q. What are your thoughts on Zappas band being a proving ground for rock
musicians as the Miles Davis band was for jazz players?
Drummers like Terry Bozzio and Vinnie Colaiuta [75] had innate abilities that go way
beyond those of the average drummer, but they may not have gotten the exposure they got if
there wasnt a field like Franks to play in.
Going to work for Frank was an education, but he was really not concerned with educating
people. He was interested in having his music played properly by people who are
proficient. He really knew how to identify a persons talent. He always found
something extreme that he can pull out of a player. In my case, I had the ability to
understand and perform difficult rhythms and to make weird sounds on the guitar. He really
dragged that out of me in the best possible way. That was his genius.
Q. Do you think there will ever be a musicological value to the rock guitar
transcriptions now proliferating in books and magazines, or are they mostly of immediate
value?
It is good to have a document representing the music so that someone who hasnt heard
it can learn it. The first piece of music I learned how to read was Since Ive
Been Lovin You by Led Zeppelin. I couldnt figure out the guitar riffs,
but I got the songbook and learned it note-for-note from the transcription.
Q. But some of those transcriptions are so rhythmically complex that even the best
musicians could never read them without having the record as a guide.
Well, some of the music I transcribed for Frank Zappas guitar book, I did almost as
an art-type project. I didnt expect that something like that would be thrown in
front of somebody for sight-reading. That work was like a meditational journey for me. I
had never seen anything as complex as that stuff. It was fun for me to notate it and
decorate the page with the proper articulations.
Q. With so many musically literate musicians playing popular music, do you think
that someday it might be considered more a serious art form than a popular one?
It is hard to say. It is up to the individuals. Some people dont want to have to
think about it or work so hard at it. They just want to grab a microphone and do a rap and
say, This is my art. Then, some want to learn enough about music that they
could have 120 instruments play their ideas.
I am writing a piece for a 30-piece orchestra and a rock band with me playing lead guitar.
It is with a group called Orchestra of Our Time from New York. We hope to do a concert in
the spring of 1994. I am in the midst of orchestrating a lot of my past and present
compositions. After that I will do a series of concerts in Germany with the Orchestre
Moderne. They worked with Frank Zappa on his Yellow Shark album. I visited Zappa at Warner
Bros. Studios where he and Orchestre Moderne were recording some music by Edgar Varèse.
Frank told me to get an amp and play with the orchestra. It was a blast.
Q. How did you end up playing the role of Jack Butler in the movie Crossroads?
Slide guitarist Ry Cooder was doing the soundtrack, and he called Guitar Player magazine
to get the name of a hot rock guitarist for some sections. They recommended me. Ry called
me, and I went down to work on the musical duel section with him. I had to discuss certain
aspects of the scene with the film director, and he asked me if I wanted to act out the
part. It was simpler than teaching an actor to mimic what I was playing. I guess I also
had the perfect Jack Butler eyebrow.
Q. Did the film bring you to the attention of David Lee Roth?
No, we met before the film was released. In fact, he went with me to the premiere of the
movie. I was bubbling under back then. After Guitar Player used my Attitude
Song for their soundpage, and then my Flex-Able album came out with a few cool
guitar things on it, things began to happen. Dave had heard the record I did with
Alcatrazz and liked that too.
Q. There was a lot of media attention focused on Roths split from Van Halen.
Did you feel a lot of pressure as the one who had to fill the spot Eddie Van Halen had
carved out?
How do you compete with Eddie Van Halen? I loved his playing and knew I would be compared
to him; I was honored to be in the position. I didnt know what would happen at the
concertswhether the audience would accept or ignore me. By the middle of the tour
they were chanting my name before I got on stage. It was a thrill. I enjoyed the whole
thing.
Q. Was it a big adjustment to shift gears from the complex instrumental material
youd been doing to playing in an arena rock band?
I had always hoped to be able to play in big places. I am sort of a walking dichotomy. I
do like playing rock and roll with acts like Roth and Whitesnake, but I also like to
expand my horizons. The ultimate would be to go out with a huge band and play hardcore
rock with horns and an orchestra in arenas. I dont know if it will ever happen, but
it would be great.
Q. Is the new album a synthesis of both the instrumental and mainstream rock music
youve been playing over the course of your career?
The albums single, Down Deep Into the Pain, is a lot more hardcore than
anything I did with the other bands Ive been in. It is musical, there is tender
melody, and bone-crunching thrash. I like high-energy musicwhether it is a
Stravinsky melody or a 21-year-old kid screaming into the mikeits got to have
that intensity. I like music with an edge.
Q. Will you tour with the band that played on your new album Sex & Religion?
Im working on it. I dont know if I can get Terry Bozzio, hes got a lot
of commitments. He is one of my favorite drummers. [Ed. note: Abraham Laboriel Jr.
93 played drums for the tour.] The singer, Devin Townsend, is a wild man and really
musical. He is also an incredible guitar player. He will be playing a lot of guitar in the
shows. With him I can really do some great dual guitar stuff. Between him, [bassist] T.M.
Stevens, and myself, there are a lot of possibilities for some cool pyro playing.
Q. Do you think we are seeing the end of the pyrotechnical guitar hero era?
The music scene is groping for an identity right now. You are always going to have people
interested in being virtuosos who are really proficient on their instruments. But I love
the thrash thing, and some of grunge stuff, if it is inspired. There are kids reacting to
the albums with polished guitar playing and production by saying, I cant do
that. So they go into their garage with a beat up guitar and amp and they start
slashing away on these grungy sounding chords. The next thing you know, there are some
really inspired kids making good music. I can appreciate that, but I like to be able to
play fast and proficiently. So if some guitar magazines are saying that shred is dead, and
the trend is toward grunge, it gives me incentive to go and shred even more. I try to stay
as far out of trends as possible.
Q. Your song Still My Bleeding Heart was inspired by your encounter
with a young person in a hospital with terminal cancer. How did that all come about?
As an artist, I get requests from places like the Starlight Foundation. I received a
request to give this boy a call in the hospital because he was terminally ill. Ive
done this a number of times, sometimes the kids pull through, but that was not the case
this time. He requested me because he was a fan.
It was funny, when I called he didnt believe it was really me. I had to answer a
series of questions to convince him. He was a really sweet kid, and I was taken by his
braveryI felt kind of dwarfed by it. He would just lay in bed playing his guitar. I
got a letter from his parents a few months later telling me that the phone call helped him
in his last months, but that hed lost his battle with cancer. It was very moving for
me. That is why artists write songsbecause of significant events in their lives.
Q. As someone in the rock-and-roll spotlight, is it a challenge to balance your
professional and family life?
Not at all. A lot of rock-and-roll musicians have families, but it is what they do in
their mind or in their spare time when they are away from home that has the most effect on
their mental health and family life. Ive been exposed to a lot, having come up in
the bands Ive been with. I have had any kind of vice you can imagine made available
to me. I didnt overindulge. I never did any drugs, and at this point I dont
drink anymore.
Q. Is there anything else you want to say?
Yeah. I want to tell the Berklee students that when I was at Berklee, I didnt
realize how good it was until I left. When you get out into the professional world is when
the real education begins. Going to Berklee is a great opportunity to hone your chops,
make new friends, and to explore a completely musical environment. You dont have to
worry about the daily business affairs that come into a musicians life once he or
she has to make a living. So sit back, study hard, and enjoy your time
thereits probably the only time you are going to have to do something like
that.
excerpted
from the book "Masters
Of Music: Conversations With Berklee Greats" by Mark Small and Andrew Taylor
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