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Serious zoom: Sony Cyber-shot RX10 II shooting experience

This image was shot at a burst rate of 5fps. The RX10 II can also fire bursts as fast as 14fps, in Priority Continuous Mode, but with focused locked. Shot at an equiv. of 200mm. ISO 200, 1/1600, F5.6.

The original RX10, impressive as it was on paper, never truly appealed to my needs as a photographer. I've always much preferred the compact size of the RX100 to the nearly-DSLR size of the RX10. My feeling is that if I am going to carry a camera the size of the RX10, it's going to be one with a larger sensor (also I tend to prefer shooting with primes, so a 24-200 equiv. lens is quite intimidating). Still, there is no denying that the RX10 has a lot to offer, and I completely understand the appeal of a superzoom camera with a relatively large sensor. Moreover, after shooting with the RX10 II for some time, with its added speed, 4K video capture, and AF improvements, I can honestly say it might just be the best all-in-one camera I've ever used.

Impressive inside and out

First, what specifically sets the RX10 II apart from its predecessor: from the outside, and in terms of general handling, the two cameras are identical. But beneath the magnesium alloy body, you'll find the RX10 II has some very impressive components. For starters, its image sensor is the same as the one in the new RX100 IV, a 20.2-megapixel 1"-type Exmor RS stacked BSI-CMOS sensor. This stacked backside illuminated sensor represents Sony's latest technology, and the RX10 II is one of the first cameras to use it. For the record, in traditional CMOS sensors, circuitry and pixels share the same surface area, but stacking the circuitry beneath the pixels gives more room for both components, and can enable better image quality and faster processing.

The sensor also features an integrated DRAM chip to help buffer all of the information coming off of it.  So when you're shooting a 14fps burst in Priority Continuous Mode, or a 5fps burst in normal continuous mode with AF, the camera will be able to fire off frames longer, before slowing down. It also enables some really cool video functionality, as well as faster and more sophisticated continuous AF, but more on that below. By the way, the original RX10 was able to fire bursts at 10fps in Priority Continuous Shooting and 2.5fps in normal continuous mode. Video capture was also limited to 1080/60p.


Perhaps most impressive are the RX10 II's video capabilities. Not only can it capture 4K video in 24p and 30p directly to a memory card with full sensor readout (in the XAVC S codec), it can also capture video at incredibly high frame rates, including 960fps, 480fps and 240fps. Of course, at some of the higher frame rates, video resolution is diminished.

In use, I found the 240fps mode to be the best balance of high frame rate and solid video quality (at 1824 x 1026 in Quality Priority, it's nearly full HD resolution capture at 240fps). Recording at these high frame rates is fairly straight forward: High Frame Rate (HFR) even has a spot right on the mode dial. When shooting in this mode, the camera offers two options, one that prioritizes record time and one that prioritizes video quality. Video capture is limited to 2 secs in Quality Priority Mode and 4 secs in Time Priority Mode, though keep in mind that quality drops considerably in Time Priority, so I would personally choose Quality Priority every time. Also fun fact: 2 secs of video taken at 960fps will play back over about two and a half minutes.

To capture High Frame Rate video, users must first engage the mode by pressing the center button on the back click wheel. At this point, the camera is continuously buffering video, and focus and exposure are locked. When the moment is right, users can then go ahead and hit the video record button to capture their clip. It's really that simple. But be prepared for the camera to lock up while the clip processes. This can take upwards of 30 seconds, but at least the camera plays back the clip as it's being written, so you get a nice preview of what you just recorded.

One feature of the HFR mode I found to be particularly helpful is the ability to toggle whether one's clip is captured before, or after the video record button is pressed. In the case of the bees above, I opted for the video to be captured in the two seconds before I hit record. This is because bees can move surprisingly quick in and out of a frame, and my lowly human reflexes simply weren't fast enough. The camera can record the two (or four) seconds prior to your button press because it's constantly buffering video once you've pressed that center button.

One of the most noticeable non-feature-related improvements in the RX10 II is its 2.35 million dot XGA OLED viewfinder. It's a pretty serious jump up from the 1.44M dot OLED viewfinder found in the original RX10, and for curiosity's sake, I took the time to look though both back to back, and the difference is, well, serious. The RX10 II's looks crisper, with better detail/contrast and in general, is just a more usable EVF.

The RX10 II also benefits from improved AF performance. According to Sony, it employs the company's 'Fast Intelligent AF' with focus speeds as fast as 0.09 secs. To be honest, I had been shooting with the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 IV quite a bit before picking up the RX10 II and was a bit disappointed that the RX10 II's AF doesn't seem as snappy as the RX100 IV's, especially in low light.

A quick conversation with technical editor Rishi Sanyal pointed to some reasons why. For starters the RX10 II offers more than twice the zoom range of the RX100 IV, and in general, the lens in the RX10 II contains a whole lot more glass than the lens in the RX100 IV. The more glass there is to move, the longer it can take to acquire focus.

And while both cameras have the same sensor and likely use the same AF algorithm, with the same readout speed, the RX100 IV's lens is F1.8, while the RX10 II offers a F2.8 max aperture. Both cameras employ Contrast Detect AF systems, which acquire focus by very rapidly hunting. Because the maximum aperture of the RX10 II is smaller in diameter than that of the RX100 IV, the Contrast Detect system has less light to work with, and also must typically 'search' a longer range before determining the point of highest contrast and, therefore, focus. At least compared to the RX100 IV on the short end (the RX100 IV closes down to F2.8 as you zoom in).

Image edited to taste using Adobe Camera Raw Version 9.1. The following adjustments were made: Exposure +0.15 | Highlights +8 | Shadows +53 | Whites -39 | Blacks -32 | Clarity +28 | Curve Adjustments: Lights +7 | Luminance Noise Reduction: 23. Shot at an equiv of 80mm. ISO 8000, 1/320 sec, F2.8.

Again, the body of the RX10 II is identical to its predecessor, and as such, the handling and usability of the camera is largely the same. I've also mentioned how, in general, superzooms, like the RX10 II, are an awkward fit for nearly everything I like to shoot. Street photography, rock and roll and portraiture are probably my three favorite photographic disciplines, and a superzoom does not make a whole lot of sense for any of those. Still, I forced myself to use the RX10 II while photographing all of the above. And the results were encouraging.

For live music, a Contrast Detect-only AF system and a 1"-type inch sensor certainly aren't the best pairing. I'd gladly reach for a camera with a larger sensor and a hybrid or phase-detect AF system - especially if I'm shooting punk bands that move around quite a bit on stage, like in the image above of the Screaming Females. Still, I was reasonably impressed with the RX10 II's AF performance. Yes the camera hunts, especially at the tele-end. But if you stick to a wider focal length and take your time while shooting in AF-S, you can actually get a pretty good hit rate. On the other, I had very little luck shooting in AF-C in low light.

I was also impressed with the image quality of the sensor. The above image, shot at ISO 8000 was carefully processed in Adobe Camera Raw (you can see the adjustments in the caption). The final image looks a whole lot better than anything that camera directly out of camera. Still, the capabilities to get useable images, in very low light, are there.

ISO 400, 1/1250 sec, F5.6 shot at an equiv. of 24mm.

On the street

Its size, mainly the massive lens, make the RX10 II fairly obtrusive for shooting the streets. Right off the bat, I would look to a smaller camera to shoot in such a scenario. But size aside, I did found that the flip out LCD made shooting from the hip very easy, and as long as I stayed at 24mm equiv., the lens stays nicely tucked.

The camera's near silent shutter also helps the pursuit of going unnoticed. After shooting around Pike Place Market with it for an afternoon, I suppose my only real complaint is its lack of a touchscreen. 'Touch to shoot' is a remarkably easy way to fly under the public's radar while shooting. And with a $1300 price, I don't think a touchscreen is an unreasonable desire.

Finally, for portraiture, the F2.8 lens may seem fast, but when you take into account that it is really the equiv. of F8 wide open, it can be challenging to get some good depth of field and good separation between your subject and background. But I'm used to shooting primes on full-frame, and having such a versatile zoom lens makes getting creative portraits easy. Sure a portrait shot at an 85mm equiv. sounds lovely, but with the RX10 II, you can zoom on back to 24mm and shoot an environmental-style portrait too.

Shot at an equiv. of 200mm. ISO 200, 1/1600 sec, F5.6.

Steady as she goes

There is also no denying the impressive speed of the RX10 II. The jet photo above was shot using the normal continuous burst, which gave a rate of 5fps. And at no time did I hit a speed-reducing buffer, even when firing a sequence of 25 Raw+JPEGs in a row. It's worth mentioning that after firing off a sequence, you can't access playback or the menus, though you can continue to change exposure settings, fire the shutter, or access the Fn menu (the camera remains largely operable). I tried firing a few sequences at 14fps, which locks focus at the beginning of the sequence, but simply found the frame rate to be too fast, even for fighter jets. I will, however, find something useful to shoot at 14fps for our final review.

I also found the image stabilization system to be very useful at the tele-end of the zoom range. The final image on this page was shot at an equiv. of 130mm, at 1/80 sec, and shows almost no camera shake to speak of (it was shot at ISO 4000 and is a bit noisy, though). One thing I did run into with the RX10 II is the speed of the zoom, which by default takes 3 seconds to go from 24 to 200mm. You can change the 'Zoom Speed' to 'Fast' though, and the full zoom operation takes a more reasonable 2 seconds. Users can choose their focal length via either rocker switch in front of the shutter button, or via a ring around the lens barrel. The zoom ring, which also doubles as a focus ring in MF mode, makes fine-tuning the camera to a very specific focal length achievable.

Trying to focus on the horizon, at an equiv. of 130mm, in low light, resulted in some noticeable hunting. However this image was also shot hand-held at 1/80 sec, a testament to the camera's image stabilization system. ISO 4000, 1/80 sec, F2.8.

Overall, the RX10 II does a lot right. It might be a bit of an awkward fit for some folks, like myself, but it honestly did not take long for me to warm up to it. It's a very versatile camera that can handle its own in almost any shooting scenario.

Sure it won't perform as well as a full frame DSLR in low light, and won't have the AF performance of an a7R II, or the high speed video quality of a Phantom cam, but at the same time, it can shoot in low light at high ISOs with decent image quality, it can acquire focus reasonably well in most scenarios, and it can shoot high speed video - even in HD quality. It has the same continuous eye and face tracking we saw in the RX100 IV, which was seriously impressive, especially for a CDAF-only camera. Not to mention its extremely versatile zoom range, weather-sealed build quality, twin dials, dedicated exposure compensation dial, aperture ring, high-res EVF and built-in image stabilization.

As we move forward with our review, we will really be looking to see just how good the camera's AF performance is, especially when pitted against ILCs with similar body+lens price points to the RX10 II. One area we are especially going to examine is AF-C performance when shooting moving subjects. So prepare yourself for some more striped cat videos and some hopefully in-focus sports photography. Until then, enjoy another slow motion video of some bees

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touche56

ok i found this pretty stupid in the Sony blurb on this camera claiming it produces images that far exceed what the human eye can see so I have to ask what is the point if the eye can`t see it ?????

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repdetect

You're not serious are you?

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nikon power

It's the first time I saw a 240fps video as posted above. That's impressive but I wonder if the audio is cut off or it could not be done right with 240fps.
If a video is without sound then it's no good. Video about life must be with sight and sound.
I actually owned two superzoom HX300's that also had Carl Zeiss name on the lens. I think I hang on to them. Paying much more money to upgrade to shoot flying bees is not worth it.

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Kay Fisher

Tried one out at Photoshop World Expo.

1st Thing I noticed was Sony finally changed the auto bracketing to allow the delay timer before firing the sequence. Something Trey Ratcliff has been asking Sony to do for years.

It really feels nice in the hands - super build quality.

FYI my current shooter is a MFT Panasonic G6 and my Super Zoom is a Canon SX50.

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DrummerCT

Can someone explain further, "the F2.8 lens may seem fast, but when you take into account that it is really the equiv. of F8 wide open"

F2.8 is not F2.8?

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ryan2007

The aperture is always the aperture. The sensor size helps with the shallow depth of field more so.
Their is no conversion to do with a aperture as you shoot. Think of F 2.8 as 2.8 same as 5.6 same as using the Sunny 16 rule with any camera.

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avicenanw

F2.8 refers to lens aperture, but depth of field is dependent upon sensor size. The larger the sensor, the shallower the depth of field. If you want to compare the depth of field equivalent of a 1" sensor relative to full frame, then you must multiply the F number to its crop factor of 2.7. So depth of field for F2.8 aperture on a 1" sensor is equivalent to approx. F7.6 on a full frame sensor.

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dr_X

The full answer is that the lens is not 24-200mm. It is 24-200mm "equivalent field of view". The lens is actually 8.8-73.3mm and the depth of field depends on the aperture and the focal length. (or more accurately, the focal length and diameter of the entrance pupil. The aperture being a function of the focal length and entrance pupil.) If you talk about equivalent field of view, then the sensor size becomes an artificial factor.

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islandboy969

I love my RX10 II... it was expensive but I think it is worth it. looking forward to my vacations... got 2-128GB SDXC U3 cards so I have plenty of space to shoot full 20mp pics in RAW and 4k video at 100 Mbits/sec.

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wh34erocoler

Amazing shots

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KonstantinosK

The female singer portrait could do with a bit of color noise reduction. Otherwise it looks very good.

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Saintiwari

"Sure it won't have the AF performance of an a7R II"

Can you confirm this? I thought both RX100IV and RX10II should have faster focussing. Common sense says that. Unless you mean only low light there.

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Mike FL

Dan Bracaglia;

One of the RX10's major selling point is that it has (kind of) weather sealing.

Can you share your experience in this regard?

BTW, you do not have to try it like below as it seems too mach for SONY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo61t5fH6Qw

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Mike FL

"it seems too mach for SONY" should be read as "It seems too much..."

Anyway, if DPR does not test RX10.MK2's weather sealing, DPR is more less show us the very same results from RX100.M4 for video function, or RX10 for still which DPR already tested long long time ago.

Dan Bracaglia. Do you agree?

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David (r00t)

I compared the RX10 and FZ1000 at the store. I liked both. They had an open-box FZ1000 for about $640. I bought it, why not.

I can tell you since shooting with it, I love it. I take it everywhere. The museums here allow you to carry your camera, but not a backpack. For me, its light enough to carry and I like its versatility. Its like a Swiss Army knife, imo.

I have been dragging around my Canon 5D and multiple lenses, everywhere. I love that camera, taken LOTS of pictures with it portraits, events, school function, etc....

I can tell you the bokeh isn't like my "canon drainpipe" @ 2.8. So as the old cliche' goes....the right tool for the right job. My 5D will not be getting much use though. This camera is really fun! Had the Sony been on sale/open box I would have had to do a better comparison :)

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Mike FL

RX10 is better than FZ1000 as FZ1000 is less than $500 USD in Amamzon.jp while SONY RX10 (not MK2) is about $1000 USD.

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SSantana75

David, the Sony RX10 is definitely not a better stills camera than the FZ1000, you made the right choice. Even if they shared the same price the RX10 is only really superior in that it is weather sealed. If shooting video then the RX10 has a number of advantages like a smooth aperture ring, a constant aperture and headphone output but otherwise the Pana is not only noticeably faster in operation but the focusing system is WAY ahead of what the first gen RX10 had to offer.

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Calvin Chann

I think I can say that most posts on here are made by people who have never touched, let alone owned, this camera and are making comments based on what they're read elsewhere, the spec sheet or their own prejudices. And it shows.

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Mike FL

There are "Super zoom" and "Mega zoom"..., and now "Serious zoom".

Next?

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IchiroCameraGuy

Don't forget travel zoom...tiny sensor cameras with much more range than should be there. I like the FZ1000 and G3X focal length range if the "1 inch-type" sensors are better next generation.

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Mike FL

Right, the 1" sensors' IQ has not been changed since first RX100.

Too bad as there is no competition as SONY is the only one makes 1" sensors.

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lapomattiabarambaniviendalmare
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captura

Aptina also makes 1" sensors.

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Mike FL

Aptina almost killed Nikon 1, and I think the newest Nikon 1 uses SONY sensor now.

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IchiroCameraGuy

Lol Mike...very true.

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captura

Where do you get your information? It's wrong. Have you ever owned a Nikon 1? It still uses an Aptina sensor. The newest Nikon 1 is the J5: "The fact of the very fast raw frame rate suggests it's an Aptina sensor..."

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/5577838490/nikon-1-j5-what-you-need-to-know

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Stitzer23

While I appreciate the article, calling it 'shooting experience' seems a tad inaccurate. Too much is dwelt on the spec and tech. Also, while the camera's inability to isolate the subject was touched on, a portrait sample shot at 200mm f2.8 is conspicuous by its absence. Tease.

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Dan Bracaglia

I'll make sure at least one portrait shot wide open makes it into the final review, don't you worry.

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luigibozi

And maybe some more bees?!
eventually shot with the new leica s for comparison.
They are so cute those bees...

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rfsIII

Is it because I'm so old that the amount of noise in the Screaming Females picture looks just right to me?
I expect a photo taken in low light to have some signs of struggle—grain/noise are the wounds inflicted during the battle between photographer and photon.
That picture would look odd without any noise—and not at all punk rock.

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Kharan

ISO 8000!? I agree, that's pretty incredible. Unfortunately, there seems to be a light intensity 'thing' at play, since the ISO 4000 landscape looks much worse (protip: use 1/40 as the shutter speed next time, the stabilizer can handle it just fine ;) )

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fwandy

As others have mentioned. I really like the look of the RX10ii but the price is ridiculous. You only have to look and various stores stock levels and see this is not selling well in the UK.

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dynaxx

At least Sony are showing the results of R&D spending and this has to be recovered if ( as I am sure we all do ) we want them to remain profitable.

I resent paying for this less than having to fund a massive advertising budget that Sony's rivals have to spend to cling on to their market share.

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IchiroCameraGuy

dynaxx, Sony internet advertising and marketing product seems much more prevalent than any other photography brand and has a good part in the shift of their popularity the past couple years. Outside of what is being hyped they are not really innovating more than others - it is about what is given attention and acknowledgment. I like the continuous eye AF a lot though.

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Kharan

Personally, I see Nikon advertising far more often. Only very recently have I seen some Sony 'Raw power' banners.

As an aside, anyone visiting the IR website frequently has seen the Sigma and Pentax ads, which are quite unexpected.

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dynaxx

@Ichiro - I am watching the IAAF World athletics from Beijing and C'non is everywhere ; they are official sponsors of the upcoming Rugby World Cup and as for football/soccer ...

* Official Sponsor of UEFA EURO 2012™, 2008 and 2004
• UEFA Cup™
• UEFA Super Cup™
• Official Sponsor of the Russian Premier Football League
• Official Sponsor of MTN Africa Cup of Nations
• Consecutive World Cup tournaments between 1978 and 1998
• Official imaging equipment supplier of the UEFA Champions League
• Official Sponsor of Youth Football Championship – Danone Nations Cup

etc. etc. I would not be happy funding all that.

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IchiroCameraGuy

They dominate high level sports photography and it is a given they are part of the marketing there. True.

For consumers and consumer gear I see retailers marketing Canon more than Canon does itself - opposite of Sony aside from Amazon

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evan47

its most likely because a lot of rx10 mk1 owners got stung when its price dropped dramatically when the fz1000 was released.
this proved that the rx10 mk1 was overpriced from the start and i cant see many owners wanting to move up to the mk2 until its price drops.

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yahoo2u

To all the Sony boys back at the office, you all read the reviews here, so here goes. Your AUS price of $1899 isn't moving any units and you know that, so lower your price now because you are going to anyway. No one is going to pay that amount. You all tried hard to "spin" the newer features but it's not working.

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SSantana75

Hear hear!

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Sangster

The drawback of powered zooms is the speed. 2-3 seconds can be an eternity when trying to grab a spontaneous moment.

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darngooddesign

I agree. This would be wonderful with a manual zoom.

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iAPX

Just too much noise and worse noise reduction on the sample at 200ISO (sky with the planes). I like the lens, I like the quality of RX10 II, but it should not be compared to DSLRs in any way.

This is more kinda "great vacation pictures & videos" camera, and this is enough to make it a good camera to recommend to people that are looking exactly for that.

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sergueis

In fact, nothing prevents to make aps-c or even full frame lens as small as we want - provided we can build strongly non homogeneous optical medium. Or, even the same but with dynamic optical properties. Some day... I'm sure. :)

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coody

Too much noise in 4k video. It just proves Panasonic FZ1000 video is better.

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tom1234567

I must have upset the SONY FANBOYS
saying it needs a 24meg aps-c sensor,

so they say it can not be done it would have to be bigger,
they could do it and make it smaller technologies are already here to do this,

yes they built the first computer in a room almost the size of a room.
now they can put more power in an iPhone.
Now Hear This don't say it can't be done your just being silly.

RX10ii IS A VIDEO CAMERA NOT A photographers camera
sorry to all the Sony Fan boys

the FZ 1000 IS BETTER VALUE FOR MONEY AT £499

a friend of mine bought the Sony RX10ii camera used it for 3days, now on its way back to shop, photos to much noise at 200iso never mind going higher with the iso.
Have a nice day

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Mark9473

So are you saying there's technology out there to make a 24-200 eq. f/2.8 zoom lens covering a sensor as large as APS-C, and still end up with a smaller lens than the 24-200 eq. f/2.8 that Sony put on the RX10 to cover a 1" sensor? I'm interested, please tell us more.

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2eyesee

@tom1234567
You ignore the fact that equivalent DLSR lenses (e.g. 18-135mm) that cover an APS-C sensor are typically f/3.5-5.6 and much larger. No one makes one any faster.

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MacroBokeh

don't feed the trolls, they are technos ignoramus

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JunzInc

You say it needs a 24 mp aps-c sensor. For its intended purpose it really doesn't need that. It will sell well enough just how it is to those people who see value in what it offers. It is not intended to be a mass seller in the first place. It is a photo-video hybrid camera. Eos-hd had very nice things to say about its video quality. Image quality is a known factor as it has not changed from the previous rx 100's

You have not upset anyone. It seems you are the one who got upset when people pointed out why they didn't so what you thought they should.

And I am sure you will get an aps-c camera with a fast lens when ever the technology is available to make it sufficiently small and financially viable.

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yahoo2u

@Mark9473..........Pana put a 24-70 eqv @1.7-2.8 in a tiny body with a M43rds sensor.....I'm quite sure that a APSC sensor would fit in the RX-10 body, and 2.8 is not necessary for this market grab nor if it had a APSC sensor. The Canon M3 proves that.

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2eyesee

@yahoo2u
The LX100 doesn't even use the full m43 sensor - only about 80% of it. APS-C is twice the size.

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yahoo2u

@2eyesee......the M43rds sensor is IN there, and the APSC sensor is in a similar body, the Sigma Merrills...nothing is impossible.

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Richard Butler

@yahoo2u - As has been pointed out, the LX100 effectively only has a ~180mm sq sensor, rather than the 224mm sq of a full Four Thirds sensor. This is almost precisely 1/2 the size of an APS-C sensor, so you'd expect it to perform 1 stop less well, assuming similar technology in both sensors.

It's little consolation knowing that the rest of the sensor is in there, unused, if you don't get the benefit of it.

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Kharan

@yahoo2u - right now, it's physically impossible. You can't bend light rays that far without aberrations showing up in unmanageable numbers. Diffractive optics/phase fresnel designs aren't advanced enough at this point, and it's still up in the air if they could be made sharp enough to resolve for the pixel density of smaller sensors, as well as made effectively resistant to flare.

Nature says: "There's no free lunch!"

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Nukunukoo

??? @Tom. The only person who seems bothered is you, breathe man. =)

Owning two RX10s, and have rented FZ1000s for its 4K capabilities for the past eight months, they have all performed well during our Wedding video stints. The FZ1000 is not as good as the Sony in low light videos and both have similar Photo characteristics. In that regards, I can recover more DR in the Sony than the Panasonic. Just rented the RX10M2 today and I really expect it to perform similarly with the stellar RX10. With the 4K and 16.8MP photos while capturing vid is a boon for weddings. If the claimed faster fly-by-wire zoom and focusing holds true, this will be fun over the weekend. =)

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Dougbm_2

As the images show it still has the limitations of a small sensor no matter how good it is otherwise ie: large depth of field, Hi ISO noise.

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vincedpr

I bought one of the original RX10's to use at a wedding recently to avoid too much lens changing. fortunately it was just over £500 from Amazon France. It does a job, but nowhere near the quality of my Nex6 (though sadly there's no f2.8 zoom lenses for the nex!)...but nice and quiet compared to the ker-lunk of the nex....but I agree with the others, I'd be disappointed had I paid £1300 for it!! If they could squeeze an APS-C sensor in, it really would bea different story.

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Axibis

This is a Camcorder in DSLR look.

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tom1234567

Sensor does not do it for me could they not have used a 24meg aps-c sensor

And the price is far to high its only worth about £500 and that's stretching it

As usual with Sony you pay for the name,
Its a total rip off and as a video camera its very good but for photos

To much noise. IQ is just not there
Tom G

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Revenant

APS-C sensor, really? With the same lens specs and without being larger, I guess? Sounds like a fantasy to me.

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JunzInc

24 Meg APS-C Sensor with a 24-200 Eq Focal Length and with F2.8 lens. :-) I think you are fantasizing too much.

Price far too high for you. Doesn't seem to deter a lot of people seeing value in it and buying it.

Too much noise compared to bigger sensor cameras, true. But with its feature set and its lens there is really no competitor and that is what drives the price and not really the Name.

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NowHearThis

1. "could they not have used a 24meg aps-c sensor"
Yes. BUT... you would get neither the zoom range nor would you likely get the fixed F2.8 aperture in that size body with any meaningful zoom. You see APS-C sensors are larger than 1" sensors and, because of that fact, would require larger lenses to cover the same focal length.
So in reality, No, Sony could not have used a 24MP APS-C sensor because no one would buy something that would likely be twice the size/weight and atleast twice the price.

2. " its only worth about £500 and that's stretching it"
You should really think carefully before posting silly statements like this. You have no idea how much any single part on that camera costs. You have never built a camera. You are just spouting off some drivel that is purely your opinion and trying to pass it off as factual.

3. "As usual with Sony you pay for the name"
I can say the same thing about Nikon, Canon, Leica, etc

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NowHearThis

4. "Its a total rip off and as a video camera its very good but for photos To much noise. IQ is just not there"
Your opinion is not shared by most who have it's predecessor and you will likely be in the vast minority as well with regards to this camera. Yes other cameras can beat it in IQ, but few can offer this range, feature set, size/weight in a price anywhere near this. Now if it doesn't work for you that's fine. But stop with the lies.

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sibuzaru

https://www.ephotozine.com/article/sony-cyber-shot-rx10-vs-sony-cyber-shot-r1-comparison-review-23394

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MacroBokeh

don't feed the trolls, they are technos ignoramus or they simply can't just afford it. Go buy a cheap cam.

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