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Canon EOS 5DS / 5DS R First Impressions Review

February 2015 | By Richard Butler, Barney Britton

Preview based on pre-production Canon EOS 5D S & SR

Canon has added to its EOS 5D range with the launch of two 50MP cameras, the 5DS and the 5DS R. Both cameras are high-resolution full frame models, primarily aimed at stills photographers. The only difference between the models is that the 'S' has an optical low-pass filter, while the 'S R' has a self-cancelling filter (the same relationship as Nikon's D800 and D800E models shared).

The two cameras will exist alongside the EOD 5D Mark III, acting as dedicated high-resolution cameras primarily intended for studio, landscape and wedding shoots, rather than the all-round capability offered by the existing model. The Mark III still trumps the S and S R in terms of maximum ISO and continuous shooting speed.

Slightly unusually for Canon, both models have been announced a long way ahead of their June 2015 availability date, so we wouldn't be surprised if some of these details changed between now and then.

Canon EOS 5DS / SR key features

50MP CMOS sensor
5fps continuous shooting
ISO 100-6400 (Extends to 12,800)
61-point AF module with input from 150k pixel metering sensor
Dual Digic 6 processors
3.0" 1.04m dot LCD
CF & SD slots (UHS-I compatible)
1080/30p video
M-Raw and S-Raw down-sampled formats
30MP APS-H crop and 19.6MP APS-C crop modes
USB 3.0 interface

Most of the big new features on the high-res 5Ds are about ensuring you're able to get the best of the cameras' extra resolution. Our experiences with the Nikon D8X0 series cameras has shown us that simply having a high resolution sensor isn't enough: to take full advantage of it you need to really obsess about stability.

To this end, Canon has reinforced the tripod socket and surrounding area to allow stable engagement with a tripod. It has also used a more controllable, motorized mirror mechanism, like the one in the EOS 7D II, that allows a deceleration step before the mirror hits its upper position - reducing mirror slap.

The third change a revised mirror lock-up mode that allows you to specify an automatic delay between the mirror being raised and the shutter opening to start the exposure. It allows the user to choose the shortest possible delay that has allowed mirror vibration to subside: maximizing sharpness while minimizing the loss of responsiveness.

Although the S and the SR can both shoot movies with the same choice of frame rates and compression as the 5D III, they don't offer clean HDMI output or headphone sockets. The message is pretty clear - if video is a major concern, these aren't the cameras for you.

	Canon EOS 5DS	Canon EOS 5DS R	Canon EOS 5D Mark III
Pixel count	50.2MP	50.2MP	22.1MP
Processor	Digic 6	Digic 6	Digic 5+
Maximum ISO	ISO 6400 (12,800 ext)	ISO 6400 (12,800 ext)	ISO 25,600 (102,400 ext)
Maximum ISO	ISO 6400 (12,800 ext)	ISO 6400 (12,800 ext)	ISO 25,600 (102,400 ext)
Maximum frame rate	5fps	5fps	6fps
Autofocus	61 point, of which 41 are cross type and 5 are double-cross type	61 point, of which 41 are cross type and 5 are double-cross type	61 point, of which 41 are cross type and 5 are double-cross type
Metering sensor	150k pixels (RGB+IR)	150k pixels (RGB+IR)	63 segment (RG/GB)
Optical low-pass (anti-aliasing) filter?	Yes	Self-cancelling	Yes
Uncompressed HDMI output	No	No	Yes
Headphone jack?	No	No	Yes
USB connection	USB 3.0	USB 3.0	USB 2.0

A series of features in the EOS 5DS and S R are ones we first saw in the EOS 7D Mark II. This includes the flicker detection function that warns you of lighting flicker and can synchronize the camera's continuous shooting so that it only fires at the brightest moments to ensure consistent exposure (rather than the constant variation you can otherwise get in such situations).

Two other 7D II features to make an appearance in 5D camera for the first time are the built-in intervalometer function that can be used to shoot time lapse sequences. And, as a first for Canon, these can then be combined in-camera to create a 1080/24p time-lapse movie.

Canon EOS 5DS / SR overview video

If you're new to digital photography you may wish to read the Digital Photography Glossary before diving into this article (it may help you understand some of the terms used).

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Canon EOS 5DS	Canon EOS 5DS R
7 I own it 68 I want it 21 I had it Discuss in the forums	6 I own it 143 I want it 17 I had it Discuss in the forums

Comments

Total comments: 2115

We want Mirror-less, Canon !

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Speak for yourself ...

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use live view function

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I find it so funny that Canikon are still using the '50s flappy mirror thingy in their cameras! Lol!

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Well, given that you find it funny to repeat stupid things other people have said I reckon you find almost anything amusing.

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Ah the old megapixel race has reemerged. Ya boo sucks to you Nikon with your paltry 36mp!

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This camera can't be any good because it (gasp!) has a mirror and (double gasp!) is made by Canon. :-)

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and *gasp* no swivel screen and no wifi!

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In reference to the paragraph below from the article. Sony's SLTs and Mirrorless cameras don't need to delay because there is no moving mirror, and they use electronic first curtain shutter so the shutter doesn't move until it closes. All you have to do is use 2 sec delay or a remote release and any potential movement is eliminated.

"The option for shorter delays means you can choose the shortest delay required to mitigate the effects of mirror vibration, but that is no longer than is necessary. Sadly, a mechanical shutter is still used to initiate the exposure, and can potentially remain a source of shake. An electronic first curtain could've complemented Canon's new pre-selected delays perfectly, with the shutter press lifting up the mirror and shutter simultaneously, and the exposure initiated electronically after a short delay. We've been asking Nikon and Sony to introduce this feature for some time to reduce the impact of mirror / shutter shock on sharpness."

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People don't want to hear the truth. They want to hear that Canon's lens lineup can easily handle 50MP and the sensors handle noise beautifully at low ISO.

They don't want to see blurred corners and poor edges revealed in the 17mm & 24mm Tilt Shift lenses that was never apparent before. They don't want to hear about the noise in clear blue skies at ISO 200 and blotchy shadows that are worse than ever. Every image I've seen so far that's meant to demonstrate the incredible resolving power of the 5Ds has been utterly appalling, without hesitation. No fine detail at 100%. What is going on?

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I'm actually very excited for this camera.
My uncle is a camera collector so I know I will be getting my hands on this when it releases.

About the megapixel war. Everyone talk about it when a new camera with high megapixel releases. But...........come on...........would u not want this camera?Would you not like to take some amazing photos with it?
You know you want to sleep with it too! lol

Cheers

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50MP isn't such a big deal. Doubles the resolution of a 7MP sensor? When did we get these? Wasn't the first 5D 11MP some 10 or 11 years ago?

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50mp is a big deal when you are talking about the possibility of this camera replacing medium format digital. This will force canon to make sharper lens as well as third parties like Zeiss to make more Otus lens.
Otus lens are expensive but nothing compared to hasselblad glass

Not to mention since Canon has done something, Nikon will be motivated more than ever to do something back. Canon got its balls back with this camera. Easily the most talked about camera in a long time. There are already 2093 post and counting

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Like the industry is waiting for a camera to define it! "THE" most popular image was, is, and always will be a semi-nude female so let's keep it real. If your camera is not superb for this subject, then it is a piece of trash!

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Spot on best comment ever on this subject ;-)

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Don't dare to let this industry giant start manufacturing specialty cameras! The photographer is the Master. He decides which tool he will utilize. You manufacturers better damned well build a tool for his every purpose. I seriously don't get the nerve of Canon, removing functional parts of Legacy Equipment. With Legacy, should come Loyalty. Put a better internal flash on my camera! Put better video on my camera! Give me higher ISO! Give me less noise! Yes, I want higher MP! Yes, I want greater DR! Yes, EVFs are here to stay, so give me two dimensional levelers like Sony, only make them better! Get rid of that stupid Mirror and join the 21st Century! Can we improve on 1/8000 Shutter - Thank you! No, I do not want or need GPS or WiFi on my camera, I have a cell phone! No I do not need or want a touch screen, hotsauce, or pickles! How about a spot light meter in my EVF? Can we have a direct trigger?

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There is nothing wrong with 12 FPS either!

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If you put the damned IS on the camera where it belongs, I wouldn't have to buy it on every lens that I use, but you know this, so I ask you, Who's team are you on?

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I don't agree with the comments that it will be outdated by the time the 5D4 comes out and other Mfrs will exceeed the MP count and its no good without better Dr etc

All these things will be true eventually but Surely the point is at the moment IF you need a 50mp camera, IF that suits your printing needs then it is available to buy ( or will be soon) Just because Canon had the FF market to themselves for a while once doesn't mean its now a race to regain that situation.

DR: if the DR is the same but the noise is better, that'll do me, just being able to edit the deep shadows would be a big improvement. If the colour is better that'll be a boon.

If people want a 4K Vid camera then get teh 5d4 (when it comes out). If people want a high fps or high iSO get the caeras that has it, don't whine about one that doesn't.

Al I care about is whether it will produce a better looking print at the sizes I print than my 5d2. If not I'll pass it by, if it does , I'll get it. Simple really

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Interview with a Canon executive recalling product management meetings that they held regarding video:
http://youtu.be/sJBq0z2Vmu4?t=53s

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"but at least it isn't a step backwards. And hey - 50MP!"

LMAO thanks dpr you made my day.

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Canon is not fighting the sensor war. If u can't take a good picture then, u can't now, Sony sensor is not going to help u get better pictures either.

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More dynamic range opens up more potential shots though.

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Zoron is talking about talking good picture. DR is not the only remedy. E.g. if you can frame and nail your shots properly focused, having >DR is not going to help you. isn't it?

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His point seemed to be that who should care, which is a specious point.

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you should use your google skills then and look for two pro photographers having at it at a ski resort fps match
A6000 vs 7dII ...after seeing the canon fail over and over again come back here and tell us how there are areas where cannon comes out better ..i must add a LOL now :P

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In the near future a lot of us will need therapy because we are approaching our eyes resolution with each step forward in sensor quality. That day will come (if we just wait awhile) and then we can choose between what we can see with our eyes, stereoscopically and in real time motion (no tears for us, think love and wear a smile) and a static 2D approximation we need thousands of pounds worth of equipment to be able to see properly.

We shall then have to cope with the crushing reality of the folly of attempting to reproduce anything at all, and will need therapy to help us realize that we never needed all this in the first place

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For those of you talking about Megapixels wars, let me tell you that this is not a war, but an occurrence predicted by Moore's Law and to a certain extent it is inevitable so far. Camera technology is only catching up, thanks to Sony BTW.

Additionally, sensor-pixel technology is already capable of the following:

If in a m43 sensor Pana is capable of jamming 16MP in 225mm2 then a FF sensor with 864 mm2 can jam 61 MP of the same quality. Now when was the first 16MP m43 that came about?

if in a 1" Sensor Sony is capable of 20MP then FF could have 149 MP of the same quality pixels

If Samsung is capable of 28MP APSC sensor then FF could have 65 MP of the same quality pixels.

So, actually FF 50 MP is well behind because mechanical and cost considerations but technology will catch up on those front too as Moore predicted.

So NO Megapixel wars at all. Be prepared to see the 150MP FF camera with a DR equal of the RX 100 III in perhaps 5-10 years?

BTW I'm not saying that 150MP is great

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thanks to Sony BTW... Sony is not responsible for all camera/optical associated technology. Majority of these technology are outsourced or built on some other companies first principle development.

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But you have to recognize the role of the challenger...

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the fact remains the same.
About challenger:
What's to point of challenging by throwing so much money and still not lead the overall ILC market. They tried the A/M mounts, E, now the FE mounts.I guess they'll focus less on E mount and probably focus more on FE. They'll probably get in to MF if they can't rock the boat with FE mount. You know jumping between formats/mounts is not a cost effective way plus it's going to upset many whom have invested on a particular format/mount.

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You just defined what a challenger is and also explained why challenging is so expensive. Thanks Sony for being the industry challenger. One has to have deep pockets to face Canikon in their own turf.

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Sony has always said if Nikon asked for ta sensor with any number of pixels they could make it.
Personally I have a D800 with 36MP and I dont use it as much as my D600. So if I had a Canon setup I would see no reason to buy this camera.
For someone who shoots landscapes all the time this camera may be a boon or a studio 'advertising pack' photographer but I think that this is technology looking for a problem to solve!

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Moore's law is not really a law but observation ..also related to computers and also is very wrong at times ( chinese cpu tripled in processing power between 2012 to 2013 for instance ) .

as for MP ..when it comes together with other improvements no one will complain .
but when the other aspects as DR remains in 2008 !!! ..and when a person taking shots like that will 99% of the time use a PP software for them that badly needs that DR and color richness . then yea ..people are upset..that Moore's law or not . there has not been any real advancement in that aspect from Cannon for over 5 years.

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Rinkos I believe you missed entirely my point.

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Anyone moaning here would go out and buy one if they could afford both a 5DsR and the necessary new fast sharp lenses. Anyone.

The problem is that outside of advertizing/ fashion and Hello Magazine nobody can. The investment is double the same old versions with a Nikon D810 body.

It is a huge investment as zoom lens prices have doubled in the past few years.
In the year of the Advent of the 5D MkII the Canon 24-70mm USM L f2.8 zoom was LESS than £800 and believe it or not, so were both the 70-200mm L and the 100-400 f4.5-5.6L lenses, and video was still 1080p

Rack up the cost of new MkII versions of those lenses with a 5DsR body now.
The cost of pro Canon gear has doubled in 5 years.

DOUBLED!!!

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its about ruddy time as well but what about the price point? or have I missed it?.

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It's about $2200 for the whole thing, it might be a bit cheaper in 6 months.

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I'm ambivalent about the whole resolution thing, because as far as I'm concerned, my old 5d produces all the image quality I personally need, and I print to B2 and use a 27" 1440p monitor. Yes, I could use cleaner high ISO, but really, I feel image quality has never been better. It's no longer something worth agonizing over, because most modern cameras are capable of producing stunningly beautiful imagery.

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You are right and I certainly wouldn't need this either but for those who needs it, now there is an option. it's about having options to choose that matters.

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http://www.dpreview.com/articles/2549658574/cp-2015-canon-shows-off-prototype-120mp-cmos-sensor

See? Canon is aiming ahead. Of course the main goal to development in photography is to be able to capture what the eye can capture... and possibly exceed it.

To those of you who might think me a fan boy... being impressed by their ambitions will still not get me to buy this camera.

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Perhaps we should all stop the hating and take a step back.

Sure the 5DS (and 5DS R) doesn't have the DR of a D750. But it has the higher MP count.

If you think about it what canon is trying to do is not so easy. There is a lot more at play than most realise. I have read articles that point out that software companies often make changes and releases in order for their consumers to have a sense of progress (cough cough look at itunes). Releasing this camera is a step forward for canon. The DR issue requires a lot of changes and tech implementation that they probably don't have set up (yet lets hope). They are a proud company that doesn't want to simply by sony chips. That move from nikon could be perceived as desperate. It would be the same if canon did the same.

Sony is a company to be watchful for. They have the established tech and fabs to go full steam ahead with regards to the development of their chips. It is the corner stone to their products after all.

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You kind of have a point. But I think the camera would have been a magnitude more interesting, if it had APS-C sensor and was 50% cheaper.

50MP on APS-C, at $2000, would have been a grand news, even with all the high ISO and DR limitations. Because nobody did it before.

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It's time now to move on to SONY or NIKON.
I've been using Canon DSLR for several years.
I have now 5D Mark III. which I use for video and still.
I just couldn't find any rational reason that make canon decreasing the video capabilities of this new 5DS

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Out of interest how many megapixels did my old Canon A1 have when using a roll of Kodachrome?

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Depends on the film.

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Grain does affect detail, however not directly comparable to pixels of course. Grain was a balance between necessity and a desired look. In the old days before decent digital cameras we drum scanned film for high res purposes. (Then put the files into photoshop.) I used the best commercial scanning services available at the time and they often told me with 645 medium format film that they couldn't get anything more out of the scanners once they got around to 60mb RGB TIFF files... ( note* mega byte not pixel).. so for 35mm I expect that would have been about 20ish mb which is not much. Alot more detail in say a 5D3 RAW file than the finest grain 35mm film drum scanned. So the 5Ds/r will be better than the best drum scanned large format 10x8 film I would think. It's going to be a good camera for me to buy... not very exciting but definitely very useful!!

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6 to 8 MP equivelant

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What BS... announcing it in February when availability is 4 months away! That's desperation for you - trying to keep customers onside when they are leaving in droves!

Given the impending release of the Sony sensors with superior DR and how the mirrorless A7 is changing the pro landscape...

& look at the pricing!

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I agree about the A7 changing the game for a lot of things but its safe to say for now. This camera is the only camera of its type so I guess they can charge anything thing they want. There will be some people that will purchase it and under the right conditions it will produce stunning pictures along side with their expensive wide zoom. Its obvious its not for the average joe. I for one rather go the more practical mirrorless route.
Thats business

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What's desperate? Canon is still the worlds largest camera maker, and unlike many others it consistently makes a profit from its imaging division. Mirrorless is still a fraction of DSLR sales, the landscape is actually changing very little other than an overall shrinking market. Mirrorless sales in 2014 were down by 17% compared to 2012 according to CIPA, the revolution has stalled.

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Should I wait for the promised pro mirrorless Canon? at this resolution and 10 fps for 60 RAW frames ( because after a decade they have fitted a big enough buffer), it might be worth it from the noise and vibration angle, especially since I've been told it will look pretty much identical to a 1D MkIV because they are not thinning down the body, thanks heavens. Will fit all EOS EF lenses then.

I do not want to have to upgrade from what's coming in June to what's following pretty soon afterwards, but keep my Nikon until Canon make the switch to mirrorless full-frame. I just cannot afford any more upgrades at these prices.

The new 11-24 f4 is £2800 today, more than double the Nikkor 14-24 f2.8 which is twice as fast-which at these noisy high resolutions means quite a lot on occasion

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depends on your needs.

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Wow, 2020 comments, now this looks like a posting record on DPR. This is comment 2021:1-2-3-4, oh Lord, gimme more MP, gimme more DR, and more FPS - and don't forget 40K video, 'cause I can't get no, I can't get no satisfaction ;-).

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hahahaha!
True, lots of comments!

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I' m curious if Canon generates with their new 5DS series finally 1 comment per pixel here... unless DPR closes this thread before their servers collapse.

There is so much nonsense her, including 6/8 cranks "owning" already 5DS/ SR according this poll (by this moment). This thread is an electronic waste dump. I am sorry for the DPR people who have to host and moderate all of this. Hope they still have enough time for doing reviews.

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NO WIFI, I think they come up with a WFT unit.

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no wifi = fail

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WI-FI is near redundant in a model with these specs.
How long will it take to send a 50mp raw file? How much battery power will it use? And for people in the studio they are going to tether this anyway.

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wifi is not limited to transfer file. tons of applications. wake up, it is mobile era.

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tons of application... buy a smartphone. I have tried the wifi remote shot and file transfer on my 6D. it's slow especially for those 20Mp RAW. The USB3 will be a better performer For 50Mp RAW remote/file transfer in those studio work. The most important thing in pro work is reliability. the problem with Wifi is stable bandwidth. a fix bandwidth and low latency (speed) comunication is not guaranteed due to radio interference where else a USB 3 will run at it's optimum bandwidth and speed.

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No wifi = shut the #$#$ up/ if I see another no this "= Fail" comment I'm going to barf.

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I am happy that Canon up there game. I'm not a brand loyal shooter so what ever works best I use.

However it is very unfortunate that they still limit the exposure comp settings! It's a simple software tweek. And I know that Nothern lights fixes this, but it also slows down the camera. My friend has been using it for years and it would be much better if Canon would get out of this 1/3-1/2 ev step. It is just silly that they don't fix it. It would cost nothing..

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whilst Canon EOS 5Ds/5DsR address ultra-high 50 mp shooting limited in good low light, like Nikon D8## series, or Sony FF, with 36mp

meanwhile, the rest of us hi-20mp low light FF shooters (less interested in 30+mp) await Canon's update for its 1080p 5DMkIII to a 5DMkIV aimed at low light and/or 4k Cine, or both ...

plus, ...

I hope: Manual Exposure control HDR video/cine/stills: while keeping it within 20-30 mp range, and up the fps to 7-10 fps will be fine, include 1.6x and 1.3x crop fov modes, too

if 5Ds/5DsR do 50mp x 5fps = 250mp/s with two DiG!C 6 processors, we could conservatively extrapolate 5DMkIV, to be:

11 fps, if 22mp
10 fps, if 25mp
8 fps, if 30 mp
etc

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if one might speculate a conservative change in upcoming low light higher-res, higher fps 5DMkIV than outgoing 5DMkIII, it could be:

~26.8mp
pixel size: 5.68um square
= ~6338 x 4224
or
~27.4mp
pixel size: 5.62um square
= ~6406 x 4270

both: max ~9fps

(= pixel size smaller by a bit, than 5DMkIII; but bigger than 5Ds)

at first I imagined max 32mp before, for a single new 5D4, but seeing the 5Ds show up at 50mp, makes a 32mp FF less likely for the upcoming 5D4

what's your estimate for the 5DMkIII update?

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Sdaniella ,

CANON developpers must take your words very seriously .
you just said what i'm thinking .
even i'm a NIKON shooter but i'm not biased to it .
as you , i think CANON go with a wrong step with that 5d s/r , except if they are HIDING a 5d IV :) .

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Yeah, the 5D4 would be fun, but no tilt screen PLEASE

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Segaman ,
Why not ?
if it is there , you can use it in some cases or not .
why loosing that ?

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I just hate the fact that its not part of the camera, its stands out.
Like the D750, what a horrible camera with the tilt screen.
That its my preference, I know some like the swivel screen,
I rather get to my knee and shoot than having a ugly screen.
Just my preference!!!!

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Segaman,

that's your style ,
have fun :) .

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While Tony is successful, I sometimes wonder. I've watched videos of him handholding huge telephotos and other nonsense, while pretending to be some sort of "expert". I think he is mostly an expert self marketer. I'm sure Canon knows just who this new body is for. I'm also sure it will work. Let's wait to see some images from the real world. As far as cost, it seems to be very competitive compared to the "medium format" bodies available now. By the way, this reply was in response to Sdaniella's post.

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@Segaman: You have your preferences, and that's fine, but I personally think that every camera should have a tilt screen. Most of them snap into an indentation, so it appears that they are at least integrated into the camera. Also, when a screen is not in use, you can easily flip it around to protect the screen (if it flips that way). You'd rather get on your knee to shoot, but how about the (perhaps rare for you) times when you need your camera even lower. Would you rather lie down than simply kneel and look down at the screen? Also, there are other situations when you just can't get a good shot otherwise, such as when you need to get a photo from above a crowd. Of course, with a fully reversible screen, self-portraits are also possible...and yes, pros can also take "selfies" for fun. Flip screens are pretty well integrated into bodies now, and they also let you do things that you otherwise wouldn't do. That is why at least I need them in my current and future cameras.

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I understand, I used to own a canon 60D, i think it had a tilt screen.
But for me , cause i am older I prefer not having a tilt screen, I will get on my knees, and make some bad pics and have to redo much more,,but like i said i really like to keep it as pure as possible.
i own a fuji Xe2 and love the way it looks.
Just preferences
Take care

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@Segaman: Well, we do have different preferences, but thanks for telling me your thoughts. Take care.

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Canon has the diverse FOV EF lenses to deliver effective good "perceived" 45mp+ from it 50mp new EOS 5Ds/5Ds R and AF, that MF (Medium Format) lacks and latter oft confined to studio/good light/strobe shooting still product/model shooting ...

at least according to Tony Northrup (a Nikon D810 convert; indicates Canon has better lenses for higher mp larger hi-res printing, too):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww6QGpryrLM

he, like DPR/Dxo, shoots in good light, at worst, good low light.
(not a real low light shooter, or tester)

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Tony's did a good video. Totally unbiased and optimistic as everyone should be. Wouldn't everyone want to see a camera out there to make the other camera's better. Closer competition is always better for consumers. Thats the point of capitalism.

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Nah, the point of capitalism is two large corporations taking over every competitor and then colluding to fix the prices.

The "free market" is a pipe dream: every corporation's goal is to corner it, by any mean.

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I guess there will be over 2000 negative comments for this already oldtime (non mirrorless, bad DR, clumsy, expensive) product...

Thats Canikon today in a "nutshall"!

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No, that's spoilt consumers in a nutshell..

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baloony
there are many lenses from Sony, Sigma, Zeiss, Nikon, Leica etc who are better than Canons

regarding 1.5 - 2 stops more DR , Dream on, 0,5-0,75 stop DR and the 50 Mp down sample to a 8 Mp file size= take 7dmk2 DR + 0.5-0, 75 more DR

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it's purpose that dictates which lens is good for what. Would you use a fast AF Tele from Zeiss, Leica for sports... is there any decent one out there. how about a tele for wildlife where the lens is subjected to harsh condition.

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At first I thought 50Mpx was overkill for an enthusiast landscape shooter like myself, but I have changed my mind.
It should produce perfectly acceptable results with standard zooms etc at medium Raw (28Mpx) for everyday use.
Then, at full resolution you could attach a quality prime (hopefully) like the new sigma Art 24mm and you will get SINGLE shot wide format panoramas at ~35Mpx.
So, I'm now very interested, dammit!

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I'm sure sony will make a wonderful 50mp sensor soon. The problem for Sony is they only have 1 lens that can take advantage of such a sensor (55mm 1.8). It resolves 29 perceivable pixels out of 36 on the A7R. Many of their zooms barely resolve 15mp/36. Canon's 24-70 mkii resolves 18/22 on the 5D3. The 70-200 resolves an outstanding 21/22 pixels. These numbers will more than double with the 5DSR. Canon has been PLANNING for High MP and have designed their lenses accordingly since 2010 to take full advantage. Sure 3rd party lenses like Sigma Arts and Zeiss Otus can take advantage but they are either extremely pricey or can't focus consistently or fully Manual Focus....
Nikon's got a handful of lenses (14-24/85/Big telephotos's) but the key lenses most professionals use are the 24-70 and 70-200.
And in terms of Dynamic Range, Northern Lights is Claiming 1.5-2 stop improvements
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5ds.html

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"The problem for Sony is they only have 1 lens that can take advantage of such a sensor (55mm 1.8)."

Check your facts and get it right next time

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I hear Sony is working on a 50 MP sensor as well, but I'm sure they won't have the limited DR or ISO. I fear Canon's moment in the sun may be somewhat short lived!

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I didn't hear any such news. Could you point me to the Sony website.

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A shrewd move by Canon releasing the two cameras first - they saw what Nikon did. I'm sure in two years time they'll release a 5DS R Mk II, with the Anti-Aliasing filter removed completely (just like Nikon D810). Many who bought into the 5DS (and some of the 5DS R crowd) will want to upgrade when the Mk II comes out, with the promise of even better perceived resolution and the crippled ISO and video restored.

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tony: take a look at the explanation of how Nikon did the self-cancellation in the D800E. I sure it'll be the same for Canon.

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Thank you 'malcolma'. I found the item you refer to on page:-
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d800-d800e/images/d800e-olpf.jpg
It seems a complicated way of achieving the result. Cameras converted to IR use usually remove the 'hot mirror' and replace with a calculated thickness of plane glass to keep the same optical path length for focussing, etc..
Still, I assume Canon/Nikon know the optical business unless the technique is goverened by the need to use standard components where possible.

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at least it isn't a step backwards. And hey - 50MP!

Sums it all up. Nikon and Sony beat it all to hell with much greater dynamic range.
Lower base ISO with Nikon D810.

Canon is painting a pig and trying to convince all it is a horse.

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What exactly is a 'self-cancelling filter' quoted in the introduction? I thought cameras had either an anti-alias filter or not. Does the phrase 'self-cancelling' imply that there is an anti-alias filter plus another which effectively cancels the first?

An explanation would be of interest and welcome.

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http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d800-d800e/3

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Curious how well this will do for aerials. The big res will certainly be nice for my oblique angle industrial work. But back to the relatively low ISO. I like to shoot roughly 1000 or2000 @f 8 or 11- which means ISO 800 or up. Sounds like these high mp cams will get noisy at that level. Thoughts on this pplication for aerials, and any other issues with new 5ds for aerials?

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What is it with the "maximum ISO" thing? On my old Mark II, anything over ISO3200 is pushed in firmware, which can be verified by generating a histogram of the raw data - there are only even values. I wish DPR would test this!
I doubt anything over 6400 is "real" even on newer bodies. So just push in the raw converter, and you've got your crazy high iso values.

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I'm not a specialist, nobody is specialist, I'm not even a photographer but this camera is a specialist one. It doesn't even have touch-sensitive oled screens. Therefore a bad camera. I hate Canon because they don't recognize me as center of the universe.

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A touch screen is insanely useful for chimping. Pinch zoom and swipe is far faster than using the joystick and horrible zoom controls they use on the latest Canon cameras.
When doing time sensitive work with people such as weddings and some portrait work, you want to check your images as fast as possible. Lots of cases where you can't do the shot again if some thing is wrong.

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... and that's not the market they're shooting for with this camera. That will be the 5D Mk IV's territory, and we've yet to see what they'll do there. The expectation will be that this camera's use case will be the more deliberate world of the landscape/architecture shooter or the tethered studio shooter (where the chimping can be done on a gloriously large monitor with greater detail and accuracy than on any back-of-camera monitor). There is nothing wrong with specialty tools, either from a user's perspective (fewer compromises to make) or from the makers' perspective (sales). That won't keep anybody from hoping for the (soon-to-come) shirt-pocketable gigapixel 60FPS 8x10 with a 42-inch touchscreen monitor and sub-megabyte file sizes (along with the 12-600mm-equivalent f/1.4 collapsible zoom lens that will fit in the same pocket) -- at some level, we all want that -- but being able to pick the best tool for the job at hand isn't a bad thing either.

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Hey for all ,

Untill we see its DR and ISO performance and its "price" :) ,
this 5d-SR is awesome , but , comparing it to the 5d III , why CANON remove the HDMI output and the mic. jack ?

i think that's silly !

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Because Canon wants to protect 5D III sale.
5DS/5DS R are not targeted to videographers.

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lightmatters ,

agree with you , but look at d810 , a huge MP and huge video capability .
i think CANON protect the d810 more than the 5d III .
and don't forget the d750 "the 5d III NIKON's challenger" .

i think 14mp added on the 36mp of the d810 , doesn't make sens , when removing video capability .
i think 36mp in a full option body is the winner here :) .

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Canon should have made just one model without the OLPF, as Nikon finally did. The Nikon D810 is noticeably sharper that the Nikon D800E. Can't believe they went the same route. Simply just canceling the OLPF is inferior to omitting the filter altogether.

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i think there are lots of comments on this, you just helped increase the comments count. it nearing 2K.

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Disappointed that Canon is expanding its 5D line without addressing the need for improvement in autofocus and dynamic range, two areas where the competition is clearly ahead of Canon.

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Poor engineering choices.

To build a high resolution sensor and at the same time to cripple the camera it goes in by not allowing that camera to store the image in native RAW format but only as jpg (which is compressed and hence suboptimal compared to the RAW file) is schizophrenic at best, bad engineering at worst.

Count me out.

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Uh.... it stores RAW images. Crikey... what the heck are you talking about?

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... and your post has one like, who is it? It's you yourself?

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I do recall having seen a review of the specs of that camera that said that "to keep the size of the files that are saved to a manageable size, Canon disabled the saving of RAW files for this camera at the highest resolution".
I cannot find that same statement any more, so I may stand corrected if I misread it. If it turns out to be true, however, it would be a most unfortunate decision.

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You misread it for certain. No one has ever said that this camera will not record RAW files.

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How have 34 forum members already had these cameras (plus 13 current owners), 3-4 months prior to release?

Are these surveys simply an odd trolling opportunity for some, or am I missing something?

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i wonder that, to... maybe these guys must those secret testers for Canon?

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Time travellers!! ;-)

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This may be some kind of trick of the poll.

In case the camera not coming out yet.

I want it = Yes I love this camera.
I own it = I love this camera very much.
I had it = This camera is already in my dream, love it the most.

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No you are not missing anything ;)
But does it really matter?

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All I say to people, before jumping into any conclusions and firm them in stone, think of sensor physics. MF cameras (such as the 645Z) have larger sensors than FF, we all know how this story goes: the more you cram in a tighter space.... plus, don't forget whatever DOF/light gathering ability you have with slighty faster lenses in FF can be almost completely negated by the larger format of the MF cameras: higher ISO in MF cameras translate to lower ISO equivalents in FF cameras as a rule of thumb as well as DOF in MF with smaller apertures being closer to DOF at wider apertures in FF cameras. So, until we see a straight test, a showdown really, we can't say anything with 100% certainty.

Sensor physics!

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I wonder if they (Canon) gave this "pair" to Michael Reichman and Kevin Raber (LuLa) for their trip to Antarctica... And if that would be the first real life test.

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The ISO specs on these new bodies are a disappointment. Give it a brand new 50 mp sensor, but handicap the ISO range for the sake of market segmentation (i.e. not encroaching on 5D MKIII territory), and sell it as a specialist's camera for portrait and landscape. I'm not a Canon hater. I shoot Canon myself and have invested a lot into their system, but I will not be upgrading for this reason.

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Shoot RAW, crank the EV up in post, and then downsize to 5DIII territory and I bet you'll find that the 5Ds is plenty competitive. I have no doubt we'll see such tests done either in the review or the forums. As a studio camera or landscape camera this was never meant to be a high-ISO shooter. This is a resolution camera meant to extract every bit of detail from lenses that probably cost as much as the body. I look forward to seeing detail resolution test shots.

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'specialist's camera for portrait and landscape'
That's a huge potential market. Not specialist.
Add to that product and archival/copy work.
ps. High ISO doesn't mean anything to those who are able to control their lighting.

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Admittedly it is a luxury these days to have 6400+ ISO that can produce images that are still of usable quality, but this is what the current market expects of a dslr at this price range. This is why we have cameras like the 5D mkIII or the Nikon D750/810. While I don't disagree that portrait/landscape is a huge potential market, I still think handicapping the camera so that it, for example, lacks flexibility in capturing night time and milky way landscapes, makes no sense.

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Without decent dynamic range, it's not really specialized for landscape. Even if you shoot multiple frames for HDR, you're going to see every little leaf and pine needle rustle with 50MP...

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one could argue to just wait for the specs od the 5DIV (or 5Dx ?) if a more allround high end body is preferred....

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Blue,
Decent dynamic range....as defined by those who call any camera with a DR advantage "the best" and something with less DR (but still great) "the worst". All we know how to do any more is define anything in terms of extremes. Political parties cater to the extremists. News agencies are more speculation and fear mongering than news. And if Sony makes a sensor with higher DR, everything else is trash. Don't worry about anything else like color or medium rare RAW files or a million variables associated with a camera.

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I really dont think the iso is the result of marketing. It's probably the result of needing much more noise reduction in camera, resulting in less resolution.

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