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Tsarnaev Snafus: Nearly 12 Years After 9/11, Boston Bombings Highlight Intelligence Holes

Boston Prepares To Re-Open Marathon Route After Bombing Investigation
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The Boston Fire Department Hazardous Materials team clean the blast site near the Boston Marathon finish line one week after the FBI handed over Boylston street back to the city on April 22, 2013 in Boston, Mass.

Ten years ago the Department of Homeland Security was created to end the lack of information sharing amongst U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies that had missed the 9/11 terrorist plot. Now it seems that blockages and miscommunications between and within those agencies caused them to miss the Boston marathon bomb plot last week that killed three people and wounded 176, lawmakers said Tuesday.

What “is troubling to me [is] that this many years after the attacks on our country in 2001, that we still seem to have stovepipes that prevent information from being shared effectively not only among agencies but also within the same agency in one case,” said Senator Susan Collins of Maine, the top Republican on the Homeland Security Committee.

Investigators are still compiling what various U.S. agencies knew about Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in the months and years leading up to the bombings. Thus far what’s clear is that some agencies didn’t know what other agencies knew. Indeed teams within agencies seemed to not share information wich each other.

In a statement over the weekend, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said they were informed in March 2011 by Russia’s security agency, known as the FSB, that Tamerlan was becoming radicalized. The agency followed up, interviewing Tamerlan and his family and speaking to people at his school, Bunker Community College. They found nothing “derogatory,” sent their findings back to Russia and heard nothing back from the FSB, they said.

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But, the FSB had “multiple” contacts with the FBI and at least one was after October 2011, according to Senator Richard Burr, a North Carolina Republican who sits on the Intelligence Committee. Apparently that information was not shared with the original team who interviewed Tamerlan. Tamerlan, 26, who was believed to be the mastermind behind the marathon attack, was killed in a shootout with police on Thursday.

Then there’s the question of Tamerlan’s travel to Russia last year. The FBI said they did not know that Tamerlan had left the country because he misspelt his name on his exit card. Tamerlan had a U.S. green card and had been applying for U.S. citizenship — a process that had been temporarily blocked due to flags the FBI had placed on his file. (His brother, Dzhokhar, was granted citizenship on Sept. 11, 2012.)

But Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano testified at an immigration hearing before Congress on Tuesday that her department had been aware of Tsarnaev’s departure. Why this information was not shared with the FBI is an important question, said Senator Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican. “Not to mention, was his name misspelt when he came back?”

Graham said Congress would hold multiple hearings into what happened in Boston and how the brothers became militantly radicalized. In the months after Tamerlan’s return in July 2012, he launched a Youtube page on which he posted radical Islamist videos. “Here’s what I can’t get over,” Graham told TIME, “how did you miss all this radical stuff on videos? But even deeper: When the bomb went off last Monday, wouldn’t the first thing you’d do if you’re the FBI is to go into the files of everyone we’d interviewed in the Boston area regarding terrorism and see what pops up? How could his name not pop up when they had the photo of the guy? How could they not match the two? So clearly there’s a big problem here.”

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The FBI does have a facial recognition database of 12 million mug shots but they have yet to confirm or deny that they ran the images of the Tsarnaev brothers through that database before releasing them on Thursday, asking for the public’s help to identify them. It was the release of their photos that prompted the Tsarnaev brothers’ final bloody rampage that left one police officer dead and another wounded before a manhunt for Dzhokhar that shut down Boston all day Friday finally ended in Dzhokhar’s surrender.

Investigators are now not only compiling what various government agencies knew about the brothers, but are attempting to rebuild both their lives. “They’re leaving no stone unturned,” said Senator Dan Coats, an Indiana Republican, emerging from a classified FBI briefing on the bombings. “Anything relative to these individuals and their lives, what they’ve been doing, whether it’s been here or whether it’s been the trip back to Russia… All of [Tamerlan's] life is being reconstructed literally day by day hour by hour.”

For all the apparent missteps, Hill figures are not rushing to judgement. While most Republicans expressed concern about the apparent miscommunications, none was willing to say the FBI dropped the ball. “There’s been some stonewalls and some stovepipes that’s been reconstructed that were probably unintentional but we’ve got to review that issue again and make sure that there’s the free flow of information,” said Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, the top Republican on the Intelligence Committee. “I can’t say the FBI dropped the ball. I don’t see anybody yet who dropped that ball, that may yet develop.”

Democrats for their part have been even less critical of the FBI. Intelligence Committee Chair Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat, said there are always lessons to be learned after this kind of attack, but that the cooperation in the week since has been exemplary. “What was very clear to me is that this is a long arduous task and it makes no sense to speak about any specific part of it right now,” Feinstein told reporters. “But what I know is that I have never in my lifetime seen an effort as positive as this one is in terms of the cooperation and communication between law enforcement and investigative agencies and I believe that they will get to the bottom of it eventually.”

Given the confusion that has already emerged, that conclusion eventually may be months, or years, away.

72 comments
oahumizu
oahumizu

I'm waiting on CNN to report that the bro's "may" have come out of a UFO.

Arimathean
Arimathean

You know, I am loathe to condemn the FBI and Homeland Sec outright, simply because I wholeheartedly believe that they have almost certainly prevented a significant number of attacks in the past twelve years.  At the same time, this is pretty specific evidence that the investigation was mishandled.  I hope that we can productively tweak the system without alienating or lambasting those serving us well in these agencies.

gysgt213
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@Arimathean I agree with you about condemning the FBI, but I'm not so sure there was at the time specific evidence.  There appears evidence in hindsight, but I would want to see a complete  investigation of the FBI handling of this first.  Too many things coming out of politicians mouths right now are just plain wrong.

tbbaot
tbbaot

This was not a case of government dropping the ball...this is a documented case of willful neglect by the Obama regime. Saudi Nationals have favored travel status granted by obama in January. 15 of the 19 highjackers on 9/11 were Saudi. A Saudi national was named as a suspect in Boston and a deportation order was prepared instead of investigation. The documents verifying this are in the hands of congress. Janet Reno lied when she denied this.

jason024
jason024

@tbbaot Funny because so far the only two suspects in the Boston  attack WERE NOT Saudi. So this is Obama's fault..how?

You are all over the place son...try sticking to one event and one Administration (Reno was NOT in the Obama administration).  

 

RickMartin
RickMartin

This article places too much emphasis on "Prevention Measures" -- unfortunately that is not the "real world" -- there is no way anyone could have predicted the future actions of this individual.

paulejb
paulejb like.author.displayName 1 Like

"Tamerlan Tsarnaev and Family Received Welfare"

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/tamerlan-tsarnaev-and-family-received-welfare_719056.html

Tell us again why we should weaken our immigration laws.

jason024
jason024

@paulejb They did come to the US legally and by all accounts paid their taxes. Let alone they were not "radicals" until AFTER they came to America.  

curt3rd
curt3rd

You dont know when they became radicals. You might be right but no one knows yet.

paulejb
paulejb

@jason024 @paulejb 

What part of received welfare eluded you, Jason?

jason024
jason024

@paulejb @jason024 And in all of your wisdom...if they were not radicals when they came to America (by most accounts THEY WERE NOT)...how do you propose we stop this when there were few if any indications they had radical ties before coming to America? 

Again.... Legally...paule...legally giving them money (they fell within the welfare standards) and  at this point they could have gotten their nefarious money from their jobs. Please describe how you can separate the two to determine what directly funded their nefarious activities.

jason024
jason024

@paulejb legally....so what is your problem again? It is not like they were illegal immigrants.

curt3rd
curt3rd

What makes me curious is why did Russia want us to check this guy out. What reason did they have for alerting us? He was no longer their problem.  Does this happen a lot where another country warns us about someone living in our country? 

Oh yeah, did you notice the date he became a U.S citizen? 

Arimathean
Arimathean

@curt3rd From what I have read in the past, it is common for intelligence services to share information and sources even when their governments are on iffy terms.  The reciprocation comes in handy.

gysgt213
gysgt213

1969, a Year of Bombings

From 2009 Article.

One night, 40 years ago this month, about 50 typists were on the eighth floor of the Marine Midland Building, keying records on automatic booking machines, when a bomb exploded.

Placed next to a bank of elevators, the bomb — which detonated around 10:50 p.m. on Aug. 20, 1969, with a force equal to about 24 sticks of dynamite — ripped off the elevator doors, blew out windows on three sides of the building and overturned filing cabinets. The blast collapsed the eighth floor into the seventh floor below. The explosion ripped a hole eight feet wide through a 10-foot-thick floor. About 150 late-shift employees were on duty at Marine Midland, at 140 Broadway in the financial district, but only two people had injuries serious enough to require extended medical treatment.

During a period of less than four months in the summer and fall of 1969, eight bombings rocked major institutions in New York City. While no one was killed, the bombings caused several injuries, jolted the city, damaged property and became symbols of the radical movements that were challenging the foundations of American society.

Prof. Jeremy Varon, a historian at the New School and the author of“Bringing the War Home: The Weather Underground, the Red Army Faction, and Revolutionary Violence in the Sixties and Seventies”(University of California Press, 2004), said that “1969 was the high watermark of anger and frustration in the Vietnam war.”

He added: “The bombings that year were an expression, an act of, if not foolhardy, optimism. They were desperadoes. They had the belief that they could bomb old ideologies out of existence.”

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/27/1969-a-year-of-bombings/



breindrein
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I cant believe that the intelligence agencies will automaticlly know who will kill next, even from a list of suspicious people that all agencies know of. You know there are current suspicious people, but you cant just bust down doors and arrest them all, just in case. Try and think about those bombs that didnt go off because of the intel agencies stopping it early. Nobody talks about those. The intel guys would also not say precisely which plots were stopped since it might have been cells and the investigation is still ongoing to get to the core. Based on all the people that are really pissed at the US, I think it could have been way worse.

rogercottonsr
rogercottonsr

The problem then and now is...we don't know who is in our country. There are terrorists running amok all over the US and Canada. Maybe even in Mexico. At least if we had a National Identity Card like in Europe, we could keep track of ALL of our lawful residents and it wouldn't bother me a bit! I am not a crook and no one is looking for me. If there were, then let them have me, I'm not gonna run and hide and change my name like millions are doing right now. Hey, we have at least 11-20 million illegal Mexicans in this country running all over the place, using fake names, stolen social security numbers etc.and others from all over the world who overstay their visas and what have you. Until we can figure out who is here and WHAT KIND of individuals they are, ie; criminals, perverts, rapists, robbers, murderers, or decent law abiding, tax-paying people, WE WILL NOT BE SAFE. I don't care what the government spins (says).

jason024
jason024 like.author.displayName 1 Like

@rogercottonsr If only there a way to track guns and who bought them through some national database....wait we can't. 


BTW:...these guys came into the country LEGALLY long before they were "radicalized."

rogercottonsr
rogercottonsr

@jason024 @rogercottonsr right, so we need to get rid of the "radicalizers" the fbi needs to find out who they are in the mosques and shut them down. "freedom of religion" does not include subversion of our country.

rogercottonsr
rogercottonsr

@jason024 @rogercottonsr yes, thanks. what i'm saying is we need a national id card biometric to keep track of every resident at all times. this would prevent illegals or legals who run afoul of the law not to escape detection. remember, the fbi did not find the guy, a smoker just happened to see him in the boat. if you couldn't do anything without a valid national id card, (like a drivers license, but a lot of folks don't drive) then it would cut all crime significantly and we would solve this problem.

curt3rd
curt3rd

Do we need a national database for pressure cookers?  Also, I have not seen anythng in the news on where they got their gun so if it was illegally obtain a database would not help.

dctiger
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It's amazing to me that a senator is questioning why the FBI didn't immediately try to run thru the Boston database for suspicious people connected to terrorism. The Boston Marathon is a global attraction and brings people from all over the world. It's a coincidence that the perpetrators lived just outside of Boston. These guys were on no one's radar because they were independent radicals. It's a tragedy but I don't believe the FBI could've done anything to prevent it. There was nothing found on the individuals when Russia asked them to look into them.

In the days following the attack, law enforcement and the security agencies worked amazingly well to track down the terrorists. They deserve praise and just have to accept that someone slipped under the radar. It's scary but it's true.

donatoadc
donatoadc like.author.displayName 1 Like

@dctiger On no one's radar?  Thank goodness our security doesn't depend on you.  If you can't see that the FBI missed telltale signs in the lead up to 9/11 and has now failed again to follow-up on multiple alerts they received about the older brother in this tragedy then you're not too bright or maybe your daddy's the Director of the FBI.   The older bro was interviewed in 2011 but the FBI didn't even know he went to Chechnya for 6 months last year and then the feds can't even flag him in face recognition database.  Pathetic that our security is in hapless hands.  If I lost someone in this tragedy I'd be demanding the FBI answer for its incompetence.    

eric.casto12
eric.casto12

Easy for these agencies to cooperate when the spotlight is on and the world is watching for the post-tragedy love fest. I believe that they should in the least be held strictly accountable for all breaches of oversight, at worst, be held partially culpable for the original attack and largely culpable for the ambush of the police officer. Oh, by the way - I vote democrat. This has nothing to do with politics, but everything to do with egos and incompetence.

donatoadc
donatoadc

@eric.casto12 Completely agree, the FBI needs to be held accountable for failing to follow-up on information in its possession that could have prevented this.  

Arimathean
Arimathean

@donatoadc @eric.casto12 Be careful.  There is a fine line between asking for care and asking for clairvoyance.  If you cross that line, you alienate the guards who, most of the time, guard us quite effectively.  I suggest that language demanding that we "hold them accountable" also acknowledge that they have likely protected us from much we never knew threatened us.

donatoadc
donatoadc

@Arimathean @donatoadc @eric.casto12 I don't deny that we never hear of the threats the Feds do act on and protect us from.  However, the evidence we've been told on this bombing just makes one wonder if we are repeating the intelligence lapses and sharing that contributed to the failure in putting the pieces together leading up to 9/11.

firmsoil
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Trust us, we are from the government, we know what we are doing.

swagger
swagger like.author.displayName 1 Like

the critics are republicans.  imagine that.  so obama's to blame or we need to spend more money on already bloated security agencies because we need to cut spending.

curt3rd
curt3rd

I didnt see where anyone was blaming Obama.  They are concerned about info being shared between agencies.  Obama didnt blame this on  youtube video this time so he should have nothing to worry about.

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jason024
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@Potemkin  Technically he wasn't radicalized until AFTER coming to America.

Ivy_B
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Of course one of my problems is with Senator Pittypat. Now that the House passed CIPSA, I guess he's going to want the Senate version to include a directive that the FBI review all YouTube and Facebook pages and investigate anyone who posts anything he might not like.

In the months after Tamerlan’s return in July 2012, he launched a Youtube page on which he posted radical Islamist videos. “Here’s what I can’t get over,” Graham told TIME, “how did you miss all this radical stuff on videos? But even deeper: When the bomb went off last Monday, wouldn’t the first thing you’d do if you’re the FBI is to go into the files of everyone we’d interviewed in the Boston area regarding terrorism and see what pops up? How could his name not pop up when they had the photo of the guy? How could they not match the two? So clearly there’s a big problem here.”

jason024
jason024

@Ivy_B And the GOP was whining about our 2nd Amendment rights....What about the others?......silence.....

Ivy_B
Ivy_B like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

"He misspelled his name on his exit card." What about his passport? Didn't he need a passport to come in and out? Passports are passed through a computer. I don't understand why the exit card misspelling meant they didn't know he left the country.

destor23
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Just not sure what people are expecting here.  Having radical beliefs is not a crime.  I'm also not in favor of having the FBI forever tailing every person who fits the "radical" bill.

rogercottonsr
rogercottonsr like.author.displayName 1 Like

@destor23 Why not? What have you done that needs hiding? hmmm?

commentonitall
commentonitall like.author.displayName 1 Like

@rogercottonsr @destor23 

It's the reason our forefathers fought the revolutionary war.  Your statement is Anti-american and it has nothing to do with people hiding anything, but everything to do with the fourth amendment.  Or are you so anti-American that you want to do away with out constitutional rights.  I say YOUR a terrorist and we should be looking at you for thinking so radically.

rogercottonsr
rogercottonsr

@commentonitall @rogercottonsr @destor23 the furthest thing I am is a terrorist. you are very smug thinking you are a better American than me or anyone else. We all have our views. The Constitution is current law, but can be amended, and WILL be amended many times in the future. It was written over 200 years ago when it was a different world. Now our country is flooded with non-citizens, maybe upwards of 30 million, and we have no clue who they are, what their real names are etc. we are ripe to be hit over and over again by those who would do harm to us. The fourth amendment needs to be seriously looked at, Homeland Security and The Patriot Act have already practically rendered the 4th amendment sterile. So don't blame it on me, that is already the reality in force. If you doubt me, go mess with a government agent when they stop you without "probable cause" these days and check your papers, strip search you at an airport, or hold you for an extended period without access to a lawyer etc. Good luck thinking the way you do, my friend, but you need to have a reality check with where we are now at as a nation. Just sayin'.

PaulDirks
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Oddly enough, this article suddenly has me more worried about the survellance state and creeping totalitarianism than ANYTHING that's been said before. So now the FBI is tasked with preventing crimes years before they're even conceived and we should hold them to fire for their failure to do so? Sorry, but that is a massive crock of manure. Hindsight is 20/20 but the kind of survellance coverage that could have prevented this is PRECICELY the sort if thing the NRA has been grousing about.

cent-fan
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Haven't you ever seen the movie "Minority Report"?  The government has a bunch of clairvoyants in hot tubs predicting future crimes.  Heck, I was arrested a week ago for posting this today.  It's all true!

Oh, and Soylent Green?  Don't eat it... well, not with white wine.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic like.author.displayName 1 Like

@cent-fan 

SOYLENT GREEN IS MADE FROM PEOPLE!

Sorry, if someone mentions it, it has to be said.

cent-fan
cent-fan

And Charlton on his chariot also proclaimed "From my cold dead hand you damned dirty apes!"  Can't forget the classics.

53_3
53_3

@DonQuixotic

Yeah, but his allusion with the "white wine" comment.  You know that red wines go with...

53_3
53_3 like.author.displayName 1 Like

@cent-fan

That's racist cent fan.  Shame on you:)

Potemkin
Potemkin

I kinda don't give a rat's behind what you think about surveillance.  Surveillance is what caught the bombers in the first place.  It's what catches crazies and criminals in the act of commiting crimes.  There will always be idiots complaining that they are being policed.  If you don't want to be policed then by all means move to a country where you can do what you please without any police presence, such as Sudan or the Congo.  There you can frolic free of cameras and any pesky police prescence.

jason024
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It's what catches crazies and criminals in the act of commiting crimes.

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So you agree with expanded gun background checks and government keeping a database.....

53_3
53_3

@PaulDirks

You didn't notice any flaws in the proposed use of mental health screenings to determine who can and can't invoke their second amendment rights? I think it really is safe to say that the NRA has fallen all over itself contradiction wise in an effort to fend off regulating that right.

Now, I agree, you're right, to an extent, but this all feeds back into the same thing: where do we draw the line?  What level severity of radicalism? What level severity of mental illness?  When does radicalism become mental illness? Where on the scale, given the paranoias involved, do you place it?