Can you identify this AK
A reader emailed me a scan of a photograph in a recent issue of the Economist. He asked if I could identify the rifle being held by an Indonesian soldier. I quite certain that the rifle is a 5.56mm chambered Norinco Type 84, but the Type 84 is supposed to be a civilian export model, not a military rifle. Also, I don't know of a Type 84 being produced with a Type 56-2 style folding stock or with a AKS-74U/AK-100 style gas block. Can anyone identify this rifle?
UPDATE: That was quick. Nic identified it as a AK-2000.
[ Many thanks to Richard for sending us the photo. ]
Isnt’ there a 9mm AK variant? I can’t remember what it’s called but the magazine length looks like it might be a little small for rifle caliber.
I don’t think it’s an AK2000. Take a close look at the gas system and you’ll note that it is not on a slant. Instead it’s perpendicular. Looks more like an AK74M with a 2000 stock
It’s clearly chambered in 5.56. The profile of the gas block is obscured by an object behind it.
Nic’s right, it’s the Chinese AK-2000.
Meh, more likely a police armory’s custom. I’m more occupied with the ‘engrish’ sign in the background..
It’s not Engrish, it’s in Indonesian. The funny thing about Indonesian is that it uses a lot of English loanwords while sounding totally bizarre.
Brother, is that you?
Norinco Type 56S (56-2) or Type 84 (civil/sport version)
Its a Type 84 in 5.56mm and the stock and front sight give it away that its Chinese. While LE around the world may use 5.56mm AKs most SE Asian countries use 7.62mm AKM and Type 56s now.
Has to be a Type 56 variant in 5.56×45. The rivet pattern and the folding stock are a dead give away that it’s Chinese. The magazine is definitely 5.56×45.
That is definitely a Chinese-type folding stock. Few people have seen them and I’ve only seen them in wood, not polymer. Definitely chambered in 5.56 due to the magazine’s nearly complete lack of curve.
It’s Norinco (maybe 5,56 cal from the curved magazine ), because Indonesian Brimob deployed both original AK-101 and Norinco- AK clones in their arsenal, and I saw it recently.
As far as I am aware the 56C *only* comes in 7.62 – the Chinese did make two export versions of the Type 56 in 5.56, but these were not available in the distinctive compact 56C (black polymer) format. BUT, I would not be surprised if Norinco did knock up a batch of their 5.56 Type-56s (normally known as Type 56S or the Type 84) with the black polymer stocks if they got a reasonably sized order…
It’s without a doubt a Type 56 variant – Nobody else uses that distinctive folding stock (which was designed to allow the soldier to better use his bayonet).
Without a doubt Chinese from looking at the buttstock with the integrated handle. Not sure if its type 84 or 56c.
its 5.56 origin chinese
Looks like a standard 56-2 to me in 5.56 using black polymer forearm and stock piece as provide for the Finns.
Definitely a 5.56 mag.
Though I am on a itouch and pic is grainy.
What issue of Economist, we recieve the magazine.
I think it’s an optical illusion because of the angle it’s being held at – the 56C is 7.62×39 BUT has a more compact 20 round AK style magazine.
Must be 5.56, but I don’t even bother trying to keep up with all the AK model names/numbers.
Guys – Worldguns.ru has a clearer picture of this 56C: http://world.guns.ru/assault/ch/type-56-e.html
We only see one rifle. Might be a unique build by the issuer. Isn’t Indonesia and that area of the globe a hot spot for one-offs? Think I’ve seen several entries on here about that. Seems like the simplest explanation would be they had it pieced together from broken rifles and re-issued it to keep a rifle in the cop/soldier’s hands.
Yep this is a Norinco Type 56C. It’s simply the Chinese take on the AK105.
Looks like a 5.56 QBZ 56C. Probably a cross between the type 84 and the 56C
Chances are they were put together after the 89 import ban with parts from the 84s and other parts laying aroud. I would geuss a limited production run.
Quite likely that it’s a Type 84 Norinco. I have a select fire 56 with the exact same stock (in brown though, not black). I’ll take some pictures of it next week.
It’s airsoft, look at that orange muzzle!
(Just kidding… I think that’s just tape around the barrel.)
No reason to be afraid of this guy…he is no harm…he has an orange muzzle. Now let’s go find someone with a gun that is completely black and take him down because he is a danger!
I was gonna say the same thing. Cops in Indonesia have it real bad to be using BBs.