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Its you.
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07.30.12, 07:41 AM
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the term white trash is very racist...
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07.30.12, 07:41 AM
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Yes, Gabby and Alexandra are so white trash. Eyeroll. That said, McKayla is unfortunate.
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07.30.12, 07:42 AM
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for me it's not so much the name as the spelling. Michaela is usually a female version of Michael. McKayla sounds like she was named by an illiterate parent
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07.30.12, 07:47 AM
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Yes, of course. Michaela is a beautiful name. McKayla is ridiculous.
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07.30.12, 07:49 AM
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I don't like the spelling, but could see parents choosing it to avoid pronunciation issues, if they want it pronounced Mi-kay-la rather than Mi-kai-eh-la (as Michaela sometimes is).
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07.30.12, 12:36 PM
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NP: Same reason I have a problem with Jordyn or Aly
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07.30.12, 07:51 AM
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I've always wondered whether people who use weird spellings of traditional names are trying to be original or if they just don't know how to spell them?
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07.30.12, 07:53 AM
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i think they are trying to be original or creative. my bff, who is very low-key, did this and that's what she told me. i was surprised (loren instead of lauren, fyi).
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07.30.12, 08:00 AM
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They may be trying to be creative but their kids will -- consciously or not -- resent them for it when they have to go around telling everyone they meet that the intuitive spelling is wrong and that it's actually something else. Particularly when people use the letter Y where you'd expect an I. There's just no way to guess that from hearing the name. Poor kids.
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07.30.12, 08:33 AM
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I don't think Aly qualifies as a weird spelling, but Jordyn is.
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07.30.12, 08:07 AM
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It's weird for Alexandra. I would've thought it was Ally or Allie.
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07.30.12, 08:08 AM
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I think nn's often have a variety of spellings. My friend is Alyson so she spells Aly that way. A lot of people would pronounce Ally as "ally" (the opp of enemy) so I could see someone choosing not to use that spelling.
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07.30.12, 08:28 AM
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Guess it hasn't held them back.
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07.30.12, 07:42 AM
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no one said it did
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07.30.12, 07:47 AM
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There's another one, too right - Aly?
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07.30.12, 07:44 AM
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Her name is Alexandra. Lovely name.
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07.30.12, 07:45 AM
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whats wrong with you? does insulting 15 year old girls for their names make you feel better?
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07.30.12, 07:44 AM
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LOL how important are you? As if they're reading UB
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07.30.12, 07:45 AM
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you must be bored! go to work!
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07.30.12, 07:58 AM
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No one is on UB because they're NOT bored.
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07.30.12, 08:02 AM
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i had thought the same thing
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07.30.12, 07:45 AM
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Which doesn't take away from their accomplishments, they're just unfortunate names. Lighten up, people.
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07.30.12, 07:46 AM
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Wow! Just, WOW!
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07.30.12, 07:48 AM
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YOu need to differentiate between calling a name "white trash" and calling a person "white trash."
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07.30.12, 07:54 AM
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np: but I don't think you can - you are essentially calling her parents white trash for having given her that name and then, you are talking about a child so if you think her mom is white trash,it's not a leap that you think she is too.
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07.30.12, 08:09 AM
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ITDA. I have DFs who handed out some really weird ass names, and I wouldn't think to call them WT, just the names
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07.30.12, 08:24 AM
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I think the type of families who put their kids into gymnastics and support them to become top athletes tend to be UMC middle American families. Gymnastics and ice skating seem to be the aspirational strongholds of middle America.
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07.30.12, 07:57 AM
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I bet the same applies to many sports, you just don't know it b/c their individual stories don't get told on TV.
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07.30.12, 08:03 AM
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I follow some other Olympic teams and am aware of their names. Certain names seem to be more prevalent with certain sports.
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07.30.12, 08:15 AM
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Wasn't talking about names so much as the demographic of parents in the "aspirational stronghold."
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07.30.12, 08:30 AM
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You don't think that becoming a professional athlete or playing for a top college sports program are the aspirations of middle America? Ok. I guess that's why college football is so unpopular. For young girls who have talent and families with means, ice skating and gymnastics are what football and basketball are for young boys.
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07.30.12, 08:35 AM
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Why are you arguing with me? I was saying that's the case for most sports--that it's not unique to gymnastics and figure skating as you were suggesting.
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07.30.12, 08:47 AM
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I'm simply responding to your issues with my statement. As for this being the case with most Olympic sports, no, that's not true. I don't think you are aware of the vast number of teams and the various makeups of those teams. Ever follow the equestrian or fencing events? There isn't a trend of "white trash" (as defined by UB) names amongst those teams. But if we are talking about gymnastics, track & field, basketball, football and ice skating, then yes, there will be a trend of of names that UB deems as "white trash."
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07.30.12, 08:56 AM
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And wrestling, weightlifting, handball, volleyball, shooting. Ie. many sports.
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07.30.12, 09:19 AM
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Ice skating is traditionally pretty blue collar. Hockey's a mix.
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07.30.12, 10:38 AM
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So Middle America is synonymous with White Trash names?
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07.30.12, 08:05 AM
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If you check the social security list for what names are popular in the US right now, it's a list of names which UB would deem as white trash.
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07.30.12, 08:14 AM
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I think you just contradicted yourself. Middle America is usually used to convey blue collar/office worker but not professional/farming, isn't it?
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07.30.12, 08:11 AM
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No, Middle America doesn't necessarily denote a socioeconomic status, but a sociocultural grouping.
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07.30.12, 08:17 AM
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its hard to have socio-cultural without the socio-economic piece that, let's face it, affects culture.
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07.30.12, 08:32 AM
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Yes, but there are plenty of UMC families that still ascribe to the cultural preoccupations of middle America. Not everyone becomes a social striver once their income increases.
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07.30.12, 08:40 AM
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maybe we just see things differently. I grew up in flyover country and there was a distinct economic difference when it came to activities that you might ascribe to middle america. For example, interest in WWF, NASCAR and playing football v kids playing soccer, having swimming lessons and going skiing, etc. Sure, there are some people who are well off who enjoy WWF and NASCAR but that is not the "base" and that is the "type" that I associate with middle america
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07.30.12, 08:47 AM
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There's more to middle America than NASCAR and WWF. The Olympics is what I would call a "crossover" event, in the sense that everyone enjoys it, and it's broadcast by a major television network, but the events that are broadcast are those that appeal most to middle America. Middle America just means "mass" or "popular" culture. It doesn't mean trashy, except amongst those who feel the need to distance themselves from it.
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07.30.12, 09:00 AM
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NP: Also from flyover country, and MANY people who are well off enjoy football, watch football, donate $$ to [insert name of State U here]'s football program and want their sons to play football.
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07.30.12, 09:09 AM
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np: but if you go to the "middle of America" even those with means and a college education (the UMC) tend to have far more in common with the cultural values of their middle class neighbors than with the UMC in places like NYC, SF, LA, etc.
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07.30.12, 09:03 AM
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Exactly. Being "middle American" is more of a mindset than an economic standing. If you are UMC middle American, you abilities to participate in middle American past times just become greater.
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07.30.12, 09:16 AM
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Huh? SInce when is gymnastics and skating highbrow or even umc. UMC sports tend to be lacrosse, field hockey, dressage and other equestrian sports. Thise played at prep schools. every midwest town has a huge gymnastics center trying to train the next olympian.
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08.01.12, 07:00 PM
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Let's see--they are Olympians, you are on UB.
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07.30.12, 08:08 AM
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Snap!
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07.30.12, 09:36 AM
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haha. Exactly!
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07.30.12, 06:44 PM
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Having your kid become a professional athlete at the expense of their education and social life IS white trash, IMHO.
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07.30.12, 08:08 AM
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Newsflash: the kids who are world-class athletes are doing it because they want to, not because they're forced.
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07.30.12, 08:14 AM
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most/many olympic athletes have great educations. paul wylie and sarah hughes are harvard grads. kerri strug is a ucla grad. people like you hate to admit this.
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07.30.12, 08:14 AM
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Um, not for nothing, but Yale admitted Clare Danes. It doesn't mean she's smart, just that she's famous.
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07.30.12, 08:18 AM
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she was nationally recognized for acting achievement by the age of 17, which is more than most adults can say.
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07.30.12, 08:23 AM
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Ooooh, acting. Well that just screams intelligence right there.
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07.30.12, 08:25 AM
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it does. have you ever tried it? thought not. child actors have to be extremely bright to get work. she was way more deserving than legacy kids or trust fund kids. her achievements are her own, she got herself into yale.
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07.30.12, 08:27 AM
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Her achievements, however great, are not academic.
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07.30.12, 08:32 AM
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colleges want well-rounded kids, not high-SAT scoring automatons. you think yale doesn't want to fill its theater dept? please.
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07.30.12, 08:33 AM
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I think it proves nothing that Olympics/Oscar winning women get into Ivy, that's all.
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07.30.12, 08:42 AM
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nothing more than when anyone else gets into Ivy, to that I would agree.
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07.30.12, 08:45 AM
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It proves that they are sufficiently accomplished human beings to be sought after by top universities. Isn't that what all applicants hope for?
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07.30.12, 10:33 AM
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There's accomplished as in being smart and studying hard and accomplished by ACTING.
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07.30.12, 11:29 AM
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right, bc HYP definitely want all their grads to be future lawyer/doctor/banker automatons and not creative, internationally recognized actors, producers, directors. right.
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07.30.12, 11:32 AM
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What a narrow,sad view of accomplishment you have.
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07.30.12, 12:39 PM
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Academic achievement isn't the end-all-be-all of life. I would much rather my child follow a passion, be a success at it, make a great living from it, and, hopefully, also be a well rounded person. Her GPA is a means to an end, not an end in and of itself.
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07.30.12, 10:31 AM
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I don't know anything about Clare Danes, but Yale drama is one of the top programs in the country. I happen to support liberal arts educations for undergrads, but if you know what you want to do, going to Yale for your specialty is pretty damn impressive.
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07.30.12, 08:46 AM
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And she had major family connections.
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07.30.12, 10:40 AM
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Many athletes have gotten full-rides to college to play their sports, in addition to the Olympics. Ice-skating and gymnastics are sports that peak early but many of the athletes in their 20s have played for Stanford, Duke, etc.
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07.30.12, 08:18 AM
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If you get into these schools on the basis of athletic prowess- it indicates something, no? It is just not something that wealthy families generally do imo.
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07.30.12, 08:18 AM
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Like the Winklevii? Right, crew is such a lower-class sport. Olympic athletes range from working class to wealthy. You're an idiot if you think that wealthy families don't nurture athletic prowes..
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07.30.12, 08:20 AM
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of course, that poster who thinks sports are white trash is an idiot.
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07.30.12, 08:25 AM
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Interesting because the Winklevii twins are nouveau riche - that's their issue with Zuckerberg. Their grandfathers were coal miners. Their father only came into money when they were children.
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07.30.12, 09:01 AM
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interesting. how did the dad come into money? and how is that their issue with zuckerberg?
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07.30.12, 09:04 AM
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I don't remember exactly. Their father works in finance, I think he had his own financial firm. It was an old Vanity Fair interview from two years ago. Their issue with Zuckerberg is that they look the part of old money WASPs, yet they are really *only* nouveau riche and Zuckerberg ("the Jew") has the pedigree (high achieving/educated family, the 'right' schools going back a few generations and the social standing within their community) of an old money WASP. This came up because they created some fake Zuckerberg profile on the early prototype of Facebook and Zuckerberg created one for them. The profiles were meant as a parody of each other, but the underlying resentments were quite clear. These fake profiles later came up during the trial.
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07.30.12, 09:11 AM
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So what? They're wealthy. The 1 percent is not going to be prominent in Olympic athletes because, by definition, 1 percent families are rare, although I bet they're overrepresented in the country club type sports. You don't get into equestrianism unless you're wealthy (Princess Zara is an Olympian). Most Olympic athletes fall somewhere on the lower middle to upper middle spectrum, like most Americans.
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07.30.12, 09:13 AM
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Right, dressage, polo, water polo, crew are different from ice skating, gymnastics, basketball etc.
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07.30.12, 09:16 AM
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Um, right. They're different. Different sports. Is this news to you?
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07.30.12, 09:18 AM
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All right then, I guess we will just have to wonder why the trashy names populate these sports.
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07.30.12, 09:20 AM
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I suspect if I posted a name poll about Zara and there were no Zara Phillips, it would be met with guffaws. You're an utter sheep.
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07.30.12, 09:22 AM
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And you are ignorant. Zara is an actual name, as is Zohra. Sorry, Nevaeh.
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07.30.12, 09:23 AM
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her point is that zara would be considered a WT name if not for a royal named zara. it's a good point.
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07.30.12, 09:25 AM
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People who call names "trashy" are utter trash themselves. Sorry your kid is so mediocre that you have to look down on other kids and their parents.
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07.30.12, 09:26 AM
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well, that too.
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07.30.12, 09:29 AM
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You are all so stupid- the royal is named Zara because it is a very old name- just one that you are not familiar with, like India as a first name.
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07.30.12, 04:31 PM
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They are new money- and crew is a far cry from say, ice skating.
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07.30.12, 09:12 AM
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So wealthy families don't encourage sports prowess. Unless the sports are crew, horses, golf, tennis, etc. Then they DO encourage sports prowess. So some sports are sports, and some are not?
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07.30.12, 09:21 AM
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There is a difference between wanting your child to be sporty and having this exclusive obsessive interest in having them perform like a dancing bear- at the expense of many many many other things. Is this distinction really so hard to fathom?
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07.30.12, 09:22 AM
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Which sports perform like dancing bears? Swimming? Diving? Archery? You cannot push your kid into being an Olympian, and many have tried. You don't get there without internal drive. If a wealthy parent discovers a talent and skill in fencing or swimming or gymnastics, they will do all they can to nurture that, like any parent.
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07.30.12, 09:24 AM
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+1000
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07.30.12, 09:26 AM
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Tell it to the sour faced one hissing STICK IT, STICK IT in the stands.
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07.30.12, 04:31 PM
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Excellence at ANYTHING comes at the expense of many many many other things. That includes the pursuits that you find worthy and the ones that you don't.
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07.30.12, 09:32 AM
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Exactly. I'd rather my child devote an enormous amount of time to a sport than to getting into the right NYC school. Jesus, people.
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07.30.12, 10:42 AM
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Right. So you know, wealthy people won't shuffle their kid around a bunch of states for "meets" and the like. Not even with a driver. Argue all you want, it happens to be true.
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07.30.12, 04:32 PM
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That must come as news to my millionaire uncle who spent umpteen weekends at horse shows for one DD and travel soccer for another one.
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07.30.12, 04:37 PM
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If you consider a millionaire wealthy by definition, I can see why you would be confused. I am speaking of WEALTH, not simple riches.
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07.30.12, 05:03 PM
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Again, you nothing about competitive athletics nor the wealthy.
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07.30.12, 05:18 PM
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Bill Gates's DD, Bloomberg's DD, the head of BET's daughter and many other billionaire types are competitive equestrians. They spend many, many weekends on the circuit. Maybe the dads don't go themselves, but the kids sure do.
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07.30.12, 05:31 PM
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You haven't been following the thread? About how polo is different from gymnastics? Bill gates attends some of his daughter's shows. I can't believe you think you are teaching me this. Do you see the difference with figure skating and gymnastics?
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07.30.12, 05:58 PM
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Not really. The competitive figure skating and gymnastics world (and other sports) is made of a range of incomes, including wealthy professionals who spend their weekends traveling to competitions. Most sports rely on your own talent, not Daddy buying you the best horse/trainer, so the mediocre offspring of the 1 percent may or may not be represented. I have seen competitive athletes in a range of sports and there are plenty of parents that would be considered wealthy on this board. And there are plenty that aren't.
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07.30.12, 06:10 PM
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No. Name to me a top ice skater or gymnast from a very wealth family. I'll wait.
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07.30.12, 06:11 PM
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Tenley Albright's father was a surgeon, off the top of my head. And she went to Radcliffe and Harvard Med and became a surgeon. First American woman to win a gold medal in skating.
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07.30.12, 06:16 PM
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There you go. Surgeon has money but that is different from serious wealth. As Chris Rock says....
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07.30.12, 06:19 PM
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You asked for the names of ice skaters and gymnasts and I gave them to you. If you're the one insisting that only LMC families put their kids into those fields, then you are simply wrong. As I've said over and over, professional class families do this too.
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07.30.12, 06:21 PM
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Oh no, I am the poster talking about what wealthy people do and for which sports. I don't consider a doctor's wife driving for skate meets as indicative of wealthy parents.
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07.30.12, 06:24 PM
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No, what you've said is that wealthy won't shuffle their kids around to weekend sports. Except for, uh, horses. That's different. And crew. And tennis (Carling Bassett came from a very wealthy family). And if doctors and lawyers and professors and executives do, then they are, by your definition, not very wealthy. Because wealthy families don't drive around. Except for crew and horses and tennis. You know nothing about any of this.
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07.30.12, 06:29 PM
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Well I am old money and a doctor, so I think I do. Not wealthy from the career. So I know quite a bit. And since you baited me into shutting you down, I'm out. Good night.
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07.30.12, 06:34 PM
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Actually, you just look like an illogical fool and we both know it. "The wealthy don't do this! Unless they do!" You are such a provincial. Try to educate yourself a bit before popping off next time, 'kay?
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07.30.12, 06:37 PM
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Provincial is not a noun.
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07.30.12, 06:38 PM
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From Dictionary: noun
"6.a person who lives in or comes from the provinces. 7.a person who lacks urban sophistication or broad-mindedness." You really, really should shut up now.
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07.30.12, 06:41 PM
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No, really, you think you've won with your empty little life but if you knew...you would just stop angry gymnast.
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07.30.12, 06:42 PM
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Are you the one I just shut down with your "that's not a noun" comment? And you're still feebly trying to have a comeback? Girlfriend, give it up. You're Lochte and I'm the French. You lost this one. Take it like a man.
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07.30.12, 06:45 PM
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No sweetie. And this is how I know, you are grasping and arguing and fighting for something that is factually untrue. Wealthy people don't do this so...you don't know because you haven't won. In life. And to say more will be even more unkind so once again, good night.
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07.30.12, 06:48 PM
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You're STILL trying!! After you lost with logic, you resorted to trying to nitpick word choice, then when you lost with that, you switched to trying personal insults. "Your empty little life," etc. "You haven't won, in life." Do you realize that just makes you look like a child throwing a tantrum? I'm laughing hysterically at you this evening, you realize. Most fun I've had on UB in awhile.
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07.30.12, 06:55 PM
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More recently, the father of Jennifer Sey (national champ and author of a memoir about gymnastics) is a doctor.
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07.30.12, 06:20 PM
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As above, doctors are not wealthy per se.
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07.30.12, 06:21 PM
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Shannon Miller's father was a university professor and her mother was a bank executive. Again, professional UMC family.
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07.30.12, 06:25 PM
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I am sorry but wealthy and professional middle class are different. Very.
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07.30.12, 06:26 PM
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yet neither are LMC or trashy, which was OP's point. and sarah hughes' father is a lawyer and she went to harvard.
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08.01.12, 04:19 PM
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Sorry but that is nothing compared to Destinee Hooker.
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07.30.12, 09:14 AM
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What's your name?
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07.30.12, 09:16 AM
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Destiny
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07.30.12, 10:24 AM
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i don't think aly or jordyn are WT names. aly raisman is from an edcuated, jewish, affluent family. and dave grohl's wife is jordyn blum, she is not WT at all.
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07.30.12, 09:23 AM
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While all the broad, class-base generalizatons are extremely interesting, I think people are overlooking the fact that the gynmasts are about a decade younger than the average age of the US team (27). These are common names for American girls of their generation.
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07.30.12, 09:25 AM
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Black mom here: it's just you :(
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07.30.12, 09:27 AM
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You must be thrilled that Jordyn was eliminated from the all-around, right? So relieved that UMC-named Alexandra and Gabrielle will be representing the US.
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07.30.12, 09:41 AM
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they're in the olympics and you're not.
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07.30.12, 10:24 AM
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Just curious, what do you think would be more appropriate names for the gymnasts?
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07.30.12, 10:30 AM
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Bendy, Splitter, Jumpy
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07.30.12, 10:32 AM
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ava, olivia, chloe, zoe, isabella, sophie, mia, you know all the typical UB sheep names that are supposedly so KLASSY.
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07.30.12, 10:47 AM
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: )
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07.30.12, 11:27 AM
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Wait till 2020. By 2024 those will have morphed into trailer trash names, so watch out!
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07.30.12, 04:23 PM
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They are popular names for their age group.
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07.30.12, 10:39 AM
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I love how everyone is equating call a name WT with calling a person WT.
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07.30.12, 11:30 AM
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Only LMC people push their daughters into becoming gymnasts.
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07.30.12, 03:05 PM
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Yes
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07.30.12, 04:33 PM
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You're a damn fool. You know nothing about that world, nothing. Are you involved in the gymnastics world at all?
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07.30.12, 04:36 PM
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Dear Lord no- not a big thing in my circles.
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07.30.12, 05:05 PM
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So you have no idea what you're talking about. Gotcha. Done with this then.
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07.30.12, 05:18 PM
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Bye tackmaster.
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07.30.12, 06:00 PM
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Bye ignoramus.
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07.30.12, 06:11 PM
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Lol. That's not what that means Horshack.
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07.30.12, 06:13 PM
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Wow. These teenage girls train their entire lives to represent the United States at the Olympics and people are calling them "white trash" and mocking them for being LMC. People suck.
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07.30.12, 04:35 PM
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No, just the bitches here who are jealous because their coddled DS's have the athletic ability of the stay-puft marshmallow man.
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07.30.12, 04:38 PM
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Well, is it ok to notice that the NBA is not made up of men born into the 1%- or we can't notice that either?
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07.30.12, 05:06 PM
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I'd rather notice that you're jealous of talented kids. Enjoy your mediocre kid in the next room playing video games.
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07.30.12, 05:33 PM
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Jealous? That's how you account for observations that make you uncomfortable? What a lmc girl thing to say.
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07.30.12, 05:59 PM
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Actually, it's very LMC to call world-class athletes "white trash." I'll take it that your kid has yet to accomplish anything of note.
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07.30.12, 06:05 PM
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I never used the term white trash. Why so defensive?
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07.30.12, 06:12 PM
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No one called THEM WT, just the names. Untwist panties.
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08.01.12, 04:23 PM
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It's kind of a cheesy sport just due to the extra crap. Look at the outfits, the cutesy ponytails, all the stupid stuff they are asked to do, loaded on top of athletics. Just like skaters. It's toddlers 'n tiaras when it should just be about athleticism. That said, they are totally incredible athletic women and deserve enormous respect for that. So sad that they have to glitz out like vegas and act like little girls in order to do well. Men's gymnastics is a lot more dignified.
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07.30.12, 05:43 PM
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The stupid bouncy walk even when not on the floor, the perkiness, the flirtiness, the arms in the air - TA DAAAAA! Just look at the killer, really killer faces on the great female gymnasts, fully of stony resolve - more than volleyball or whatever - and then see them flash that little smile and flip their ponytails on cue. It's something that makes me not want my daughter to do it. Why should any serious athletes have to do that? Couldn't they just flip and jump and vault? Like the men do? And if not, why not? OK, rant over.
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07.30.12, 05:48 PM
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I agree. I find the cutesy floor routine (the dancing and posing, not the tumbling) and the perkiness to be trivializing. I love watching gymnastics, but I wish they didn't "feminize" it the way the do.
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07.30.12, 06:20 PM
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for the most part these days, olympic gymnasts are NOT women, they are girls. teenage girls. not as young as they were for a while in the 70s-90s, but girls all the same. the older gymnasts, do not to nearly the "cutesy" stuff that the younger ones do. but aren't ponytails the usual athletic hairstyle for a girl who doesn't have super short hair? they need it off their faces (this the 10,000 hair clips) and to stay in place.
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08.01.12, 04:14 PM
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Amy Chow, Stanford doctor. Alicia Sacramone, Brown. Etc, etc.
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07.30.12, 06:20 PM
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and the rest of them get married and have babies after they retire from competing at 20 and then spend their lives pushing their kids to be gymnasts.
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08.01.12, 07:02 PM
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I'm not sure if the olympic judges' jaws were dropped because McKayla did a perfect amanar vault, or because they were horrified that tons of Americans will start naming their baby girls "McKayla."
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08.01.12, 04:04 PM
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Points were deducted from her perfect vault because "Michaela" was misspelled.
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08.01.12, 04:14 PM
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enough. she was terrific and her mom looks anything but WT.
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08.01.12, 04:22 PM
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Yeah I'm sure that's exactly what OP said. You ladies are unbelievably thin-skinned.
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08.01.12, 04:23 PM
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they have American names. UB values are not exactly mainstream
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08.01.12, 04:22 PM
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Testing: White trash, white trash, white trash
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08.01.12, 04:25 PM
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