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President Obama, pt. 2

December 11, 2011 4:29 PM

Steve Kroft questions the president on a wide range of critical topics, including his performance in office, the U.S. economy and unemployment, and the budget woes in Washington.

President Obama: The economy, the Congress, the future

60 Minutes OverTimePresident Obama: The full "60 Minutes" interview

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by truth121 March 9, 2012 11:47 AM EST
The USS Liberty': America's Most Shameful Secret by Eric S. Margolis
NEW YORK - On the fourth day of the 1967 Arab Israeli War, the
intelligence ship 'USS Liberty' was steaming slowly in international
waters, 14 miles off the Sinai Peninsula. Israeli armored forces were
racing deep into Sinai in hot pursuit of the retreating Egyptian army.
'Liberty,' a World War II freighter, had been converted into an
intelligence vessel by the top-secret US National Security Agency, and
packed with the latest signals and electronic interception equipment.
The ship bristled with antennas and electronic 'ears' including
TRSSCOMM, a system that delivered real-time intercepts to Washington
by bouncing a stream of microwaves off the moon. 'Liberty' had been
rushed to Sinai to monitor communications of the belligerents in the
Third Arab Israeli War: Israel and her foes, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.
At 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over
'Liberty,' which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves
of low-flying Israeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers
repeatedly attacked the American vessel with rockets, napalm, and
cannon. The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship's
electronic antennas and dishes. The 'Liberty' was left afire, listing
sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded,
including the captain, Commander William McGonagle. At 1424 hrs, three
Israeli torpedo boats attacked, raking the burning 'Liberty' with 20mm
and 40mm shells. At 1431hrs an Israeli torpedo hit the 'Liberty'
midship, precisely where the signals intelligence systems were
located. Twenty-five more Americans died. Israeli gunboats circled the
wounded 'Liberty,' firing at crewmen trying to fight the fires. At
1515, the crew were ordered to abandon ship. The Israeli warships
closed and poured machine gun fire into the crowded life rafts,
sinking two. As American sailors were being massacred in cold blood, a
rescue mission by US Sixth Fleet carrier aircraft was mysteriously
aborted on orders from the White House. An hour after the attack,
Israeli warships and planes returned. Commander McGonagle gave the
order. 'prepare to repel borders.' But the Israelis, probably fearful
of intervention by the US Sixth Fleet, departed. 'Liberty' was left
shattered but still defiant, her flag flying. The Israeli attacks
killed 34 US seamen and wounded 171 out of a crew of 297, the worst
loss of American naval personnel from hostile action since World War
II. Less than an hour after the attack, Israel told Washington its
forces had committed a 'tragic error.' Later, Israel claimed it had
mistaken 'Liberty' for an ancient Egyptian horse transport. US
Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, and Joint Chiefs of Staff head, Admiral
Thomas Moorer, insisted the Israeli attack was deliberate and designed
to sink 'Liberty.' So did three CIA reports; one asserted Israel's
Defense Minister, Gen. Moshe Dayan, had personally ordered the attack.
In contrast to American outrage over North Korea's assault on the
intelligence ship 'Pueblo,' Iraq's mistaken missile strike on the USS
'Stark,' last fall's bombing of the USS 'Cole' in Aden, and the recent
US-China air incident, the savaging of 'Liberty' was quickly hushed up
by President Lyndon Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara. The
White House and Congress immediately accepted Israel's explanation and
let the matter drop. Israel later paid a token reparation of US $6
million. There were reports two Israeli pilots who had refused to
attack 'Liberty' were jailed for 18 years. Surviving 'Liberty' crew
members would not be silenced. They kept demanding an open inquiry and
tried to tell their story of deliberate attack to the media. Israel's
government worked behind the scenes to thwart these efforts, going so
far as having American pro-Israel groups accuse 'Liberty's' survivors
of being 'anti-Semites' and 'Israel-haters.' Major TV networks
cancelled interviews with the crew. A book about the 'Liberty' by
crewman James Ennes' was dropped from distribution. The Israel lobby
branded him 'an Arab propagandist.' The attack on 'Liberty' was fading
into obscurity until last week, when intelligence expert James Bamford
came out with Body of Secrets, his latest book about the National
Security Agency. In a stunning revelation, Bamford writes that unknown
to Israel, a US Navy EC-121 intelligence aircraft was flying high
overhead the 'Liberty,' electronically recorded the attack. The US
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by DoYourHomeworkFirst January 12, 2012 12:24 PM EST
continued from previous comments due to character limits per post...

7) The degradation of prosperity began in 1913 when Congress and Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act. Since then the Fed has increase the money supply to the point where $1 in 1913 is now $22 today. The Fed is not owned by the government. It is as Federal as Federal Express. It is not accountable to anyone and is not audited by the government. The Fed is owned by the money cartel, wealthy families that span back hundreds of years. They make money out of thin air and it is not backed by gold. The Fed trades the newly printed money for newly printed government bonds. The Fed then collects interest on the loan (serves as a consistent earnings stream for the Fed). Now more money is in circulation which causes the money to become de-based (i.e., losings its value)and leads to goods and services prices. The interest rate for borrowing will inevitable increase as our debt increases. We will become Greece if we continue this path. 98 years of this scam is enough.
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by DoYourHomeworkFirst January 12, 2012 12:23 PM EST
Obama is mischaracterizing what has occurred and what is currently occurring in Washington. He knows exactly that the policies he has plowed via Congress have augmented the continued path to strip out liberties away by driving our country in more debt.

There are several inconsistencies in this interview. One inconsistency is when Obama describes the prosecution of Wall Street. Obama states that he has no influence on the Justice Department to pursue action against Wall Street for the financial crisis. Last time I looked Eric Holder was in Obama's Cabinet. Regardless, Wall Street did not violate any laws as Obama points out so the point of no influence is an empty statement. So what does this statement accomplish?

The only means to improve our quality of life is to grow the economy and pay down on the debt. Many politicians focus on the former and ignore the latter. And they do this because most of them are influenced in some manner by the money cartel (i.e., the banks that make up the Federal Reserve). The money cartel is the core issue our country needs to address first. But not to distract from this post I will stay on point. The steps we need to take are in contrast to the spending plan Obama has submitted in his annual budget proposals. They are:

1) Create a balanced budget amendment. This law would control spending and ultimately control the growth of government. Thomas Jefferson and other key liberation pioneers of our country understood this very well. Liberty is limited by government. Reducing government influence on our daily lives is a necessity for prosperity. Big government is a precursor to socialism. Look where Greece is today. We are 10-15 years away if we continue to travel on the path we are today.

Organizations such as the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and the National Labor Relations Board take personal accountability away from us when we make poor decisions and they unfairly distribution the ramifications of those poor decisions on the tax payer that did their homework first. For example, if you sign a mortgage loan where the interest rate adjusts after so many years then you better make prognostic efforts for worst case circumstances. When your monthly payment increase to 80% of your adjusted earnings why does it have to become my problem? Do your homework first, take responsibility for the unfavorable outcomes, and lean from your mistakes. So in essence these organizations consume tax payer money and eliminate personal responsibility.

2) Reduce corporate taxes to make manufacturing in the US attractive. Businesses are in business to make a profit. Although many believe businesses are in business to provide jobs. Providing jobs (i.e., opportunities for prosperity) is a consequence of business success. Success is making profits, not by paying taxes where the money will be spent on those that cannot support themselves because they made poor decisions to put them in the situation they are in today. Yes, there are special circumstances for unfavorable situations. But when compared to the general population they are small. You can't spend more than you earn.

3) Level the tax rate for all Americans and Businesses. This makes it fair for everyone. This makes everyone accountable for themselves because the big government will not be there to support those make the choice not to improve themselves to be job market competitive.

4) Cut entitlement programs. We can't continue to pay for services and goods because the systems do not have adequate funds. Make companies such as health care provides compete for price and the level of service. Our current Medicare program does not encourage health care providers to compete because Medicare does not force them to compete for price and service.

5) Reduce corporate regulations. Yes, there are some basic levels of regulation that are necessary. But to layer regulation complexity the ability to grow and prosper will be hindered and ultimately limited. If businesses want to take excessive risk then the ramifications of these actions need to be real. These businesses know that Uncle Sam will bail them out. There is no incentive to make sound decisions based on good risk management.

6) Taxing the rich does not come close to reducing the debt (now at approximately $15 trillion). If Obama could strip way, not just tax but complete strip away, the total wealth of the top 1,210 billionaires in the world, not just American but the world, we would only have enough to pay down approximately 1/3 of our total debt (estimate to be $4.5 trillion). So taxing the wealthy Americans at a higher rate does nothing to pay down the debt.

to be continued in another post...
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by ThinkAboutWhoLie January 8, 2012 4:18 PM EST
Note, your communities lost millions of jobs and their homes before President Obama took office. Where were you when all the manufacturing jobs left in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005,2006,2007,2008? Where were you when President George Bush let cheap steel come into this country from communist China? Where were you when 90% of our manufacturing goods came from China in 2001-2008 and shut your job down? Where were you when health care tripled on your seniors and me from 2001-2007? Where were you or your friend when Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to 20 million illegals and didn't shut the border down? Where were you when George Bush let another 20 million in doing his term and didn't close the border and our drug epidemic tripled? GET SOME PRIDE! VOTE AND USE YOUR BRAIN AND NOT YOUR SKIN COLOR! Confront your Republican Congressman and Senators who took the tax payers welfare check and didn't work for it! Your President and his administration has managed 2 wars that wasn't paid for before he took office, managed over 20 major natural disasters, over two major manmade disasters, stopped Bin Laden from sending you scary messages every month and fixed that other tyrant who killed all the Americans in the downing of Pam Am over Lockerbie along with 100 others. SO when you want to talk, say something that is true! By the way, my health insurance doing the Clinton years was about $100.00 a month for a family plan, it is now that much a week. I could have retired at 62 doing the Clinton years at $1600.00 dollars a month, now after two years of George Bush; it is 66 and $700.00 dollars a month. Your pocketbook was picked before President Obama took office. Rush Limbaugh and Fox News are picking it some more! By the way, Rush get paid about $400 million a year to lie to you and your Republicans are getting paid millions of taxpayer money to be a hindrance! Vote Smart! Democrats and independents work hard!
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by ThinkAboutWhoLie January 8, 2012 4:17 PM EST
Maalsom70, please go to your local school or library and have someone show you "how to use the tools on your computer". Note, your communities lost millions of jobs and their homes before President Obama took office. Where were you when all the manufacturing jobs left in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005,2006,2007,2008? Where were you when President George Bush let cheap steel come into this country from communist China? Where were you when 90% of our manufacturing goods came from China in 2001-2008 and shut your job down? Where were you when health care tripled on your seniors and me from 2001-2007? Where were you or your friend when Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to 20 million illegals and didn't shut the border down? Where were you when George Bush let another 20 million in doing his term and didn't close the border and our drug epidemic tripled? GET SOME PRIDE! VOTE AND USE YOUR BRAIN AND NOT YOUR SKIN COLOR! Confront your Republican Congressman and Senators who took the tax payers welfare check and didn't work for it! Your President and his administration has managed 2 wars that wasn't paid for before he took office, managed over 20 major natural disasters, over two major manmade disasters, stopped Bin Laden from sending you scary messages every month and fixed that other tyrant who killed all the Americans in the downing of Pam Am over Lockerbie along with 100 others. SO when you want to talk, say something that is true! By the way, my health insurance doing the Clinton years was about $100.00 a month for a family plan, it is now that much a week. I could have retired at 62 doing the Clinton years at $1600.00 dollars a month, now after two years of George Bush; it is 66 and $700.00 dollars a month. Your pocketbook was picked before President Obama took office. Rush Limbaugh and Fox News are picking it some more! By the way, Rush get paid about $400 million a year to lie to you and your Republicans are getting paid millions of taxpayer money to be a hindrance! Vote Smart! Democrats and independents work hard!
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by maalsom70 January 4, 2012 10:33 PM EST
RESISIDENT OBAMA HAS PUT OUR COUNTRY IN MORE DEBT THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT IN HISTORY. HE ALSO HAS ADDED MORE STAff than ever. he also is giving my social security yo illegal aliens. MAKE ENGLISH OUR LANGUAGE. STOP GIVING GIVING FREE BRNIFITS TO ILLEGAL ALIENS. YOUR OBAMACARE IS KILLING THE SENIOR CITIZENS. IF YOU WANT TO SEE HOW HOW BAD THE EXONOMY IS COME TO WESTERN PA. AND SEE THE HOUSES FOR SALE AND FOREXLSELSED. WE USE RO EO BE A GREAT MANUFACTURING COMMUBITY. NOT WITH CHIBA AND THE PRICEE OF GAS. TE;; THE FIRST KADY TO SAVE A LITTLE MONEY BY ONLI HAAVUBG ONE ATTEBDENT. ALSO HACE TIU AND CONGRESS HAVE SOCIAL SECURITY ANDE OBAMACARE GOD BKESSSS AMERICA,
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by ziggy745 December 24, 2011 6:59 AM EST
Listen People, we are the people, we have the real power. Vote all GOP incumbents out in November 2012. The message will be very clear when they are out of work. I am sick of Radical Republicans. Don't you get it yet? The Republicans only care about themselves and how deep their pockets are at the cost of all of us. They will do anything including lie's lie's lie's to put us on the soup lines and to inrich the 1%. Take back the power of the people. Vote them the hell out of office in November 2012. Maybe we will get America's credit rating back and give us a chance to do right by our fellow man.
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by ziggy745 December 24, 2011 6:56 AM EST
Listen People, we are the people, we have the real power. Vote all GOP incumbents out in November 2012. The message will be very clear when they are out of work. I am sick of Radical Republicans. Don't you get it yet? The Republicans only care about themselves and how deep their pockets are at the cost of all of us. They will do anything including lie's lie's lie's to put us on the soup lines and to inrich the 1%. Take back the power of the people. Vote them the hell out of office in November 2012. Maybe we will get America's credit rating back and give us a chance to do right by our fellow man.

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by ThinkAboutWhoLie December 16, 2011 2:02 PM EST
I love my President. My President is the best President our country has ever seen. He is honest, trustworthy and his title deserves respect! Our President has cleaned up the problems with two major wars, navigated the faith of almost every enemy that has unhanded or open handed caused America Harm! In three years his Administration has dealt with masterly over 20 natural disasters in America, the loss of millions of jobs and homes before becoming President, while the Republicans have taken the tax payers money to do nothing but be a distraction and a constant hindrance. The best of our President is yet to come! Our President is the most intelligent, shrewd, strong, logical, rational man that God has placed on this earth. He is level headed and efficient while these racist monsters attack him for being efficient while cleaning the messes that many of them were instrumental in making! GOD BLESS OUR PRESIDENT AWAYS AND HIS FAMILY! CBS you should be ashamed in your censorship of the people who support our President!
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by kelliegirl01 December 14, 2011 12:10 PM EST
Great to see some very well thought out posts here. It makes me have hope that Americans do have the foresight to see through the Republican agenda and that President Obama is indeed, a good president who I hope is re-elected.
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