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  • irishtimes.com - Posted: February 21, 2011 @ 10:00 am

    Two gigs, a documentary and THAT album

    Jim Carroll

    There are some gigs which have the bang of an event gig to them long before you walk into the venue. These are the gigs which many of those in attendance hope beyond hope are going to be like those fabled event gigs of old. You know the list: The Strokes, Broken Social Scene or Sigur Ros at the TBMC; Arctic Monkeys, Bloc Party, The National (look, you weren’t at the Cobblestones’ gig, OK?) or Jeff Buckley at Whelan’s and, for the six older readers in the audience, Oasis, Suede or Beastie Boys at the Tivoli.

    You know the feeling too: the gig when the next big thing came to town, slayed everyone in the audience and sent them home sweatin’ and testifying about what they just saw. The gig you wish you’d been at instead of staying home and watching Celebrity Lumberjack Olympics. The gig which, 10 years from now, you will say you were at because the gig has become Irish indie rock’s equivalent of the GPO in 1916. The event gig which brings out the event junkies. The event gig which the vast majority of the audience will swear blind was the best thing they’ve ever seen. This old town, it seems, has a propensity for misrepresenting ordinary gigs as extraordinary nights out. Let’s be clear, Mona’s Irish debut at Whelan’s last Thursday night was not one of those gigs.

    Oh, I know, there will be protests. There will be many who tell us in the comments below that the band from Nashville, TN stood and delivered, that they are the future of rock’n'roll, that they are the new messiahs, that they are young guns who were born to run and who will hightail it into the sunset for many years to come. They will tell us that Nick Brown has the swagger of a young Springsteen and the quiff of a young Strummer. They will claim that last week’s show was the last chance we’ll ever have to see a band like that up close and personal.

    But every time I closed my eyes, I just heard the Kings Of Leon. There was a surprising disconnect between the authentic wham-bam of the singles to date and what was coming out of the PA stack in a packed-to-the-gills Whelan’s. Instead of the real thing, though, we kept hearing diluted, disappointing, swagger-free, contrived blue-collar rock’n'roll. Instead of reaching for the stars and going for broke, Mona played their contracted 45 minutes and sipped a Guinness. The excitement we came in search of was elsewhere. We’ll probably still be saying the same thing when they’re headlining a stage at Oxegen 2012, doing two nights in the O2 in 2013 and playing Slane in 2014.

    I’d wager that there were probably no more than a dozen people who saw both Mona and Sleigh Bells last week at Whelan’s and 10 of them were working for the venue or promoter. What they missed was a short, sharp, sweet thrilling gobstopper of a show which fired on all cylinders and oozed EXCITEMENT (yes, excitement, the real X factor) on every level. It’s a simple concept: you have Derek Miller throwing poses with his guitar against a backdrop of Marshall amps and you have Alexis Krauss throwing shapes over every inch of the stage. The music is savage, a hell-yeah slap of heavyweight distortion, cranked-up infectious buzz and beligerent songs which are so high on the hog that they float up to the roof and out of the venue. The guitars and electronics do the boompty-boomp and Krauss does what comes naturally when those sounds begin to work. Yet in the midst of the smashing, gleeful pop carnage of “Crown On the Ground” and “Infinity Guitars”, you get a soft-toned, love buzz like “Rill Rill” to show that the duo can also coo with the best of them. A show which sent me home beaming with delight.

    There wasn’t a seat to be had in the Lighthouse on Saturday evening or night for Inside Job as the crowds came out to see the Oscar-nominated documentary on the back of a slew of good reviews from various quarters. Following on from books like The Big Short, Too Big to Fail and Fool’s Gold, Charles Ferguson’s documentary tells another tale of the housing and credit bubbles which blew up in late 2008, brought down so many banks and financial institutions and caused the kind of worldwide shitstorms which are still resonating today.

    Ferguson begins his documentary in Iceland, but the outlandish behaviour of a tiny number of that tiny island’s 320,000 population is a mere amuse-bouche for the story he find in the United States as the banking business lost their collective reason in an effort to redefine the “greed is good” mantra. There was no mention of domestic baddies and gombeens like Seanie or Fingers or Bertie in this flick, but there were still guffaws (usually when there was yet another announcement that yet another person refused to be interviewed for the film), tuts and sighs from the stalls at the stories which were unveiled on the big screen. A powerful, angry, thought-provoking documentary. Who ever thought that a story of men in $3,000 suits could be so gripping?

    And finally, THAT album. Curiosity got the better of me so I paid my money, pressed a few buttons, downloaded the files and listened to “King Of Limbs”. When Thom Yorke buys his next set of dance lessons, he can thank me for the cash.

    Regular OTR readers will know that I have regularly expressed certain strong opinions on Radiohead’s business machinations and especially how the band are protrayed as some sort of geniuses who are thumbing their noses at the traditional way the music industry works when they’re really just a band who’ve played the old-school game really, really well. When it comes to the music, I never really heard any reason to be excited about them until “Kid A” came along and knocked me for six. That album continues to be one of the most adventurous, exciting, unconvential and gamechanging records ever released by a big-ass rock’n'roll band. I keep returning to Radiohead’s music to hear more of that but, sadly, that horse seems to have left town. Yorke’s solo album “The Eraser” did a quick gallop around the same yard, but there haven’t been any more gymkhanas of that sort since.

    And therein lies the problem. “King Of Limbs” is alright if you’re looking for something which is stuck between the trad-rock stations, which the band seem ready and willing to abandon, and the far side, which the band don’t seem quite willing to completely embrace. If you haven’t heard Tune-Yards or Flying Lotus or The Notwist, you’ll probably think “King Of Limbs” is alright. You know that the band have been listening to the right records and that they have the right motivations for their electrobleeperyrock haze, yet they just don’t seem able to close the deal.

    Instead of conviction, there is conservatism. They’re a big band who want to make the big jump into the unknown, but something is holding them back for going for broke. The more I listen to “King Of Limbs”, the more it simply fades into the background like a bad ambient electronica album. You don’t get that with “Cosmogramma” or “Butter” or “Space Is Only Noise” or “Cerulean”, four albums which “KIng Of Limbs” would probably like to be seen hanging around with. With “King Of Limbs”, the spark which sends those other albums into the stratosphere is missing. Listening to “King Of Limbs”, you keep hearing a band who have inexplicably donned straitjackets.

    Oh sure, it has moments when all of that uneasy, slightly fussy abstraction finds a focus and you can see where the band wanted to go. “Bloom” is a wild, bracing blast, “Codex” has a graceful, old-fashioned, orchestral style and “Lotus Flower” has a fine, idiosyncratic momentum (even when you’ve not watching the video). Elsewhere, it’s hard to pinpoint any moments when the album or band truly gels. You can hear Jonny Greenwood’s film score influence throghout for sure, which is always a magnificent sound, and York’s liking for skittery, glitchy electronics is clear and present, but where’s the influence of the others on this sonic shopping list? It’s no surprise that most electronic producers fly solo so Radiohead’s collective embrace of the sound was always going to create some bumps.

    When you forget about the sideshows (there’s now apparently a raft of conspiracy theories surrounding “King Of Limbs”) and simply view the album as a single piece of art, it’s OK, but far from great. While it’s always interesting to see a big rock band abandon their comfort zone, “King Of Limbs” is really another grope in the dark after the huge, confident strides once taken on “Kid A”. Sure, they seem to have abandoned the dumb-fuck indieguitar histronics of their early days and that’s to be welcomed. But a band of Radiohead’s ability need to be bolder and brasher. Or, perhaps as seems to be the case, true adventures in sound can be only be had when the artist in question has absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain.

  • 49 Comments »

    1.
    February 21, 2011
    10:16 am

    first thing i thought when i listened to king of limbs is those guys have listened to a shit load of wonky hip hop albums , the drum patterns are out there(think the drummer phil must have been sick that week) . i need to give it a few more listens before i say whether i really like it but what i’ve heard sounds good to me so far

    Comment by petee
    2.
    February 21, 2011
    10:25 am

    Jim agree totally with you about King Of Limbs. It’s ok but nothing new or grounbreaking. It definitely sounds like a band going through the motions.

    Comment by Derek M
    3.
    February 21, 2011
    10:27 am

    Forgot to mention i saw Inside Job Saturday in Dundrum and it was stuffed as well. Really broad demographic of people in attendence. Very well made documentary which makes you feel so angry about the inept way this whole crisis was handled worldwide.

    Comment by Derek M
    4.
    February 21, 2011
    10:28 am

    This line is so patronising: ‘If you haven’t heard Tune-Yards or Flying Lotus or The Notwist, you’ll probably think “King Of Limbs” is alright’. Essentially, if you like this album it’s because you are a naive, uneducated listener without the sophisticated palette of this reviewer. I have heard these acts, I like this Radiohead album, the two are not mutually exclusive.

    Comment by Chris
    5.
    February 21, 2011
    10:30 am

    I tried to get to the bar in Whelans when Sleigh Bells had just started, I don’t think I have ever seen it as packed as it was on Friday night – completely rammed
    It was a v short but energetic gig

    Twin Shadow also excellent on Saturday night, but the sound was dire in crawdaddy – very frustrating

    Comment by MBD
    6.
    February 21, 2011
    10:36 am

    petee – I think I prefer the albums they listened to than the one they produced

    derek – I really, really wish it was better – I know it could be better – but they just don’t seem capable of going for broke and embracing a new sound. A pity. I admire them for trying but I know they can do much better (see “Kid A”)

    And it was the same with the audience for Inside Job at the Lighthouse – a real mix of people.

    Chris – do you really think “King of Limbs” is as good as or better than those albums? Come on, be honest. Leave your Radiohead fanboy hat and waistcoat to one side and be honest.

    MBD – SB were stunning – one of the best gigs I’ve seen in Whelan’s in years. Passed on twin Shadow – the album hasn’t really gripped me that much. More anticipation for Twin Sister, to be honest!

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    7.
    February 21, 2011
    10:56 am

    @ MBDF,i was also at the twin shadow gig , the sound was very muddy . solar bears who supported were excellent , they beefed up the album tracks and put on a good show

    Comment by petee
    8.
    February 21, 2011
    10:59 am

    I was one of the punters that attended both shows in Whelans, JC. No record company affiliations either. Was actually stood in front of you at Mona – lovin’ the fancy earplugs chief. Hope you wore them for the Sleigh Bells show as Friday night was ~seriously~ f*ckin loud. Wouldnt mind knowing just _how_ loud it was. Certainly for a Whelans gig it set a new benchmark for me. Got to be a blog post from you on the use of ear protection at gigs in the wake of it ?

    From where we were standing at Mona it was admittedly difficult to get into the show – Whelans was that packed. If I’m down the arse end of Whelans my impression of a gig is more or less always gonna suffer. However apart from “Listen to your Love” (which indeed has a hint of “The Bucket” off it) nothing really carried back to the bar from the stage. There were a couple of moments “…great to be over here on the other side of the world playing to white trash like you…” that stood out but nothing to enter the show into the pantheon of saw-them-before-they-made-it-big gigs in Dublin. Most of the ones you mentioned (Jeff Buckley/Beastie Boys the exception natch) wouldn’t register on my radar but this was pretty forgettable. That said – theyre still prolly gonna be huge. Theres a market out there for people who have now grown tired of the KOL’s success and want to move onto something a little fresher. Mona could just be that band.

    As regards Sleigh Bells, I thought it was immense. Think I tweeted straight after that it made me wish I was 17 again. Theres a youthful vigour to their performance which was a real tonic – normally totally inaccessible to a old git like myself… Such a contrast with the staid formulaic nature of the previous night. What are Sleigh Bells exactly? A metal pop band? Interesting to hear that they wouldn’t be back again this year. I think this is a mistake… they haven’t quite reached their potential tipping point yet. As a live experience I look forward to the next chance to see ‘em with a longer set.

    Comment by David Corway
    9.
    February 21, 2011
    11:05 am

    While I would generally defend Radiohead I’d have to agree with your comments here.
    Kid A and The Eraser remain the most enduring recent work. There’s almost a sense of contractual obligation to KoL, which is the last thing you’d expect from these guys given the position they’re in.
    They have all the freedom in the world and they’re almost marking time.

    “You have tried your best to please everyone
    But it just isn’t happenin’ “

    Comment by Sean Brody
    10.
    February 21, 2011
    11:06 am

    David – I’m sure I wasn’t the only one! But there didnt seem to be as much crossover as you’d often get – SB are one for constituency and Mona are for those who usually go to gigs in the Olympia. Dude, you NEED earplugs – those “fancy” earplugs are probably the best investment i’ve ever made in terms of protecting my hearing – and you should have said hello!

    Re ear protection – have a read of this http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/ontherecord/2010/02/02/how-not-to-go-deaf-for-a-living/

    Re Mona – I was bored rigid by them. I really was. I’ve loved all the singles and I was really expecting a great show and it was as flat as the current election campaign. No spark, no buzz, nothing to remember it by.

    Re Sleigh Bells – oh, I’d LOVE to experience that gig again! They just made me feel so happy and buzzed up. Totally off the charts.

    petee – good to know that Solar Bears now have a live show worth shouting about to go with that great album of theirs.

    Sean – don’t get me wrong, I was genuinely hoping to have another “Kid A” on my hands. I always filter out the fanboy reviews and discount the first-listen reviews but I was quite disappointed. It just lacks any sort of oomph – and yes, skittery electronic albums can have and do have oomph. I like your reference to “contractual obligation” and, as you say, that’s the last thing you’d expect. It sounded meh to me. Oddly enough, the gap between albums was almost exactly the same as the FF/Green Party government (NME can add that to their list of conspiracy theories).

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    11.
    February 21, 2011
    11:09 am

    @7 – thought Solar Bears were v good , some of the tracks a lot better than the others, and their sound seemed sharper than Twin Shadow
    Lots of very drunk excitable people in the crowd wasnt there! like they wandered into the wrong part of the Pod complex – funny to watch

    Comment by MBD
    12.
    February 21, 2011
    11:13 am

    Glad i went skiing and let my mona ticket go to waste!

    Comment by Peter
    13.
    February 21, 2011
    11:17 am

    @4 my two cents on the radiohead album (fanboy hat, waistcoat and badges to one side), i’m with jim it’s a flaccid affair.. opening track bloom kicks ass, the way they use brass on that track is awesome and an unexpected sonic turn (of the kind that populated all tracks on kid a, the kind that makes those tracks so vital still).. beyond opening track there’s a lot of self-parody going on, the melodies aren’t as strong as on previous albums.. i haven’t heard anything i wasn’t expecting yet.. held up to the records they’re currently trying to emulate (i.e. cosmogramma and the like) and it’s all a bit safe.. next please..

    going mad i missed sleigh bells, a mate tells me it was totally-super-awesome..

    Comment by halandor
    14.
    February 21, 2011
    11:21 am

    Jim – stupidly, perhaps, I listened to Space is Only Noise right before the King of Limbs. I’ve always liked Radiohead releases, but the new one has brought nothing new to the table and I was glad when it ended I just wanted to re-listen to Mr. Jarr again. I’ll go back to King of Limbs in a couple of weeks to give it another go. I just think you point about Fly-lo and Nicholas Jarr are just right. Side by side, Radioheads new release just doesn’t compare with the wave of exceptional electronic that has come through since Kid A.

    Petee – so a short Solar Bears set a month or two ago and thought it was excellent too.

    Comment by Mick
    15.
    February 21, 2011
    11:28 am

    And I loved Inside Job, the perfect companion piece to The Big Short.

    Wednesday night might be a good time to read Michael Lewis’ piece on Ireland again.
    http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2011/03/michael-lewis-ireland-201103

    Comment by Sean Brody
    16.
    February 21, 2011
    11:30 am

    Mick/halandor – yep, it’s an album which is trying – commendably – to be like its influences but is failing – sadly – to be anywhere as good. The acts cited as influences are leagues ahead of Radiohead because they’re prepared to take chances whereas Radiohead, for some reason, are not. A lot of the reviews have missed the point too – they’re namechecking the influences but are not pointing out the fact that those acts are way, way ahead of Radiohead in terms of appreciating, approximating and applying those sounds. Maybe those reviewers haven’t actually listened to the albums they’re listing? Anyone who thinks Radiohead are being bold or organic or willfully difficult here is just missing the point. The other album I listened to over the weekend a lot was the new Tune-yards’ album – now, there’s a woman who is years ahead of Radiohead when it comes to making unusual, brilliant electronic-influenced pop.

    Sean – also interested to see Fergal Keane’s Panorama show on the Beeb tonight – How To Blow A Fortune – http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00z0fyd

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    17.
    February 21, 2011
    11:37 am

    I must be the only one in Whelan’s on Friday night who didn’t enjoy Sleigh Bells. I hadn’t heard them before and a friend had a spare ticket so I popped along. I think their sound is a symptom of the kids listening to mp3s through crappy ipod speakers, it’s so high end! Where’s the bass? Maybe I’m just past it, I’m 36. I could appreciate the energy and commitment of the singer’s performance and her shape-throwing is reminiscent of the girl from Crystal Castles but the guitarist looked like a farmer who’d found two Marshall amps in the hay shed and turned them up to 11 while he pulled shapes he learned down the village hall. Just my two cents, I could see the crowd were loving it though.
    I think songs 5 & 6 on the Radiohead album are superb, any idea if they’ll play Ireland this year Jim?

    Comment by Colin
    18.
    February 21, 2011
    11:46 am

    Saw all the these gigs & film. Agree with all these points, though I actually fell asleep listening to KOL, waitress had to wake me so she could close up. It’s a pretty typical post ‘Bends album, a nice mood piece overall, and fits in with the last few albums nicely on shuffle. Yeah, ear plugs are a life saver if you’re any kind of a regular gig goer, digital technology now allows scary high frequencys to be thrown out, never mind the volume.

    Comment by Martin Foyle
    19.
    February 21, 2011
    12:26 pm

    Saw Sleigh Bells on friday, probably the shortest gig in history about 40 mins?
    It was great while it lasted but I felt a bit cheated, like cmon a few b-sides, covers or just re-do a track or 2??

    Comment by Blackfoot_strikes
    20.
    February 21, 2011
    12:29 pm

    blackfoot – much prefer the short, sharp, sweet thrills of SB to a more flatulent set which struggles to get to an hour.

    martin – earplugs are truly the only way to go. Have started using the “moulded” ones and am very annoyed that I didn’t do so much earlier

    colin – ah, everyone is entitled to their opinion! As for Radiohead live in Ireland, have no idea – have other tour dates been announced?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    21.
    February 21, 2011
    12:33 pm

    Yep thought Sleigh Bells had a great set and definitely one for earplugs- not the loudest in Whelans and would imagine Health were far louder. Most interesting thing from King of Limbs was my eldest sons comment on the video- Yorke is ‘either intoxicated or under the use of substances’. Otherwise just musically meh and thankful that there was a stream from KROQ in the States so didn’t lose anything from the experience.

    Since I am a big advocate of earplugs these days because of the tinnitus- cheapest place in town for the moulded musicians ones is Hearing Healthcare on Capel St- 180 for a pair with one set of filters last time I checked. http://www.hearing.ie/hearing-protection-index.html. They will probably take a month+ to get but worth every penny and you can still hear the music clearly.

    I did check with him for bog standard ones for a friend but was taking too long to get so ended up getting them from Juno Records in the UK- http://www.juno.co.uk/dj-equipment/hearing-protection
    Important thing at the end of the day is to use something if you’re going to a lot of gigs!

    Comment by Tim
    22.
    February 21, 2011
    12:33 pm

    Eh, you responded to my comment about a patronizing line in your review with an even more patronizing question. By phrasing it like this “Leave your Radiohead fanboy hat and waistcoat to one side and be honest” you have already dismissed any answer I could give you. This is not debate, rather you are seeking to pre-judge & belittle opposing opinion by framing this opinion as being offered by someone ill-informed and blinding by partiality.

    Comment by Chris
    23.
    February 21, 2011
    12:46 pm

    I was at Sleigh Bells. They were very good and very energetic, but it’s not a gig I’ll remember in ten years for two reasons.

    a) they had no band. Why hasn’t anyone mentioned that when the guitarist disappeared the gig basically turned into a karaoke session? One of the main advantages live music has over recorded music is the chance to improvise. That was lost on Friday.

    b) it was far too short. I don’t care if they are a new band.

    When the Go Team played the Village they only had one album which was entirely made up of samples, yet they managed to overcome both above obstacles and play a much more memorable gig.

    Comment by Mr B
    24.
    February 21, 2011
    12:47 pm

    Did anyone at Twin Shadow notice a surge of young males towards the stage when the band took to the stage?
    There was something quite disturbing about it..the hipster equivalent of a take that gig or something..
    I think the singer in the band even felt a bit uncomfortable with all the euphoria

    Comment by Chalkie
    25.
    February 21, 2011
    12:58 pm

    are the moulded earplugs the ones where you send them a mould of your ear and they send you back the plugs or did you go into a special place to get them custommade/ fitted? il prob be getting earplugs this year but im trying to figure out whats the best option. my girlfriend has tinitus, i think its from punk gigs- apparently high end is a lot worse than low.

    re: KoL, cant really hear that much fly lo influence to be honest, maybe the beats are a little wonky but it sounds like their biggest influence are themselves. like in rainbows theres nothing really mindblowing there- no harrowdown hills, no everything in its right places.. the last few tracks are alright, nice and mellow.

    Comment by xdeletiax
    26.
    February 21, 2011
    1:22 pm

    Didn’t get to Twin Shadow, but saw him DJ’ing at the Young Hearts gig later, the whole experience was in three words – OH. MY. GOD. One of the best nights of my life. Tommy Peoples. David Kitt. It was unreal.

    Comment by ciaran
    27.
    February 21, 2011
    1:52 pm

    xdeletiax – yes, they’re the ones. Took less than a week for them to come back too. Highly recommended. I was using the ECR20s but the moulded ones are much better because (a) they fit properly and (b) just reduce the volume level rather than cutting out all the high or low ends.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    28.
    February 21, 2011
    2:22 pm

    You can’t compare TKoL and Flying Lotus, that sounds only a small element of the whole sound of TKoL. Also imo Cosmogramma’s been pretty overhyped, and The Eraser has better highlights maybe, but also more filler than TKoL. Hard to imagine how Radiohead could ever do another Kid A. I think TKoL deserves credit. Bloom is as good as anything they have ever done, and something they haven’t done before, and in general the blending of electo, natural tones and ambience throughout the whole record makes it pretty special.

    Comment by Joseph Conroy
    29.
    February 21, 2011
    2:25 pm

    in general the blending of electo, natural tones and ambience throughout the whole record makes it pretty special.

    Joseph – but it’s nothing which other acts listed above and elsewhere have not done already. Are Radiohead fans and apologists really happy to see one of their favourite bands just repeating themselves? Just content to be like everyone else? Just content to be treading water? There’s nothing groundbreaking, new, exciting, thrilling or interesting here which you won’t find elsewhere. Isn’t this more proof that the bigger a band gets, the more conservative they become?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    30.
    February 21, 2011
    2:43 pm

    Let’s be honest, Radiohead are 8 albums and 26 years into their existence at this stage. There are very few bands (possible none) that have managed to sustain a career of that length while continuing to innovate. The chances of them putting out something groundbreaking at this stage are slim.

    Comment by cmd
    31.
    February 21, 2011
    2:55 pm

    I wouldn’t call it conservative. I’m not afraid to call a bad or unnecessary Radiohead album a bad album. I think Hail to the Thief doesn’t work at all, and that they could easily have never bounced back from that. In reality Radiohead have no need to keep releasing records, but I think TKoL is a good addition to their catalogue and that much is interesting. While I see where your coming from, I think that this, while being less innovative than Baths or Flying Lotus they lack elements like York’s lyrics and the whole craft of more traditional songwriting and his vocals (well apart from and the World Laughs at You). Your ‘it not being something groundbreaking argument is fair enough’, but I still think it’s a good Radiohead record. But I suppose its the tpye of album people are always going to disagree over.

    Comment by Joseph Conroy
    32.
    February 21, 2011
    3:03 pm

    Joseph – so “a good Radiohead record” but not a great Radiohead record, then???

    You say “while being less innovative than Baths or Flying Lotus they lack elements like York’s lyrics and the whole craft of more traditional songwriting and his vocals”. But surely Radiohead are trying to move further and further away from this traditional way of working? Also, they’re a band but this doesn’t sound like a collective creative work – I’d love to know about the individual members’ contributions to this album because I’m hearing a lot of Greenwood and Yorke but not much of Selway, for example. And I’d love to get their true thoughts on the album. Are we seeing a U2-like divide here, where some members are more like Larry Mullen in how they regard the new direction?

    I would argue that Baths and FlyLo’s innovation does NOT need the elements you mention above because they’re showing that you can create great music by moving away from the old-school. On the other hand, Radiohead still adhere to those principles and maybe it’s this which is hampering. Just listened to the album again after lunch and it sounds half-cocked and unfulfilled. I wonder can I get my money back?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    33.
    February 21, 2011
    3:08 pm

    speaking of flying lotus he has a new track out on ed banger today: http://soundcloud.com/pinboardblog/caravan-of-delight-www

    Comment by xdeletiax
    34.
    February 21, 2011
    3:22 pm

    Like some other posters, I think you are being a little bit harsh on Radiohead here JIm.. I agree it pales in comparison to some of their earlier work – but perhaps you are expecting too much?? …at this stage in their careers, of course they aren’t going to sound as fresh and vibrant as the likes of Tune-Yards or Sleigh Bells… don’t be ridiculous…You are right about the sound of the album being very much all about Thom And Johnny tho – it could easily have been a followup to the eraser rather than a full band release… I think Codex is the one song that stands up with the best of their work..

    Comment by Des
    35.
    February 21, 2011
    3:27 pm

    Des – I’m not being harsh, I’m being honest. Please don’t take it out on me that the band have produced a bit of a dud. As for “expecting too much”… I was simply going on the purple prose of Radiohead fans and their camp-followers in the media. Most of those early reviews promised the sun, the moon and the stars – instead, we got a so-so album which falls between so many stools and is simply Yorke and co aping what has worked for other acts. Time for them to go back and write another “Creep” because they lack the ability to take chances with their music – or maybe they lack the creative wherewithall to do that?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    36.
    February 21, 2011
    3:36 pm

    Gas you mention the six readers who went to Suede, Oasis & Beastie Boys at the Tivoli. I will hold my hands up as being one of them. Was at the Suede gig all those many moons ago. Had just recently interviewed Dave Fanning for my college mag and he bought me a pint at the gig. Very decent chap. The band were quite good too. Lots of vim and swagger. Must dig out my paisley shirts – now that I’m twice the size…

    My buddy was at both the Suede and the Oasis gig. Infamously he appeared in an Oasis book of those early Oasis years. There is a shot of the front row of the Tivoli audience and everyone is looking adoringly at Noel…except of course my mate who is giving the photography the cheesiest grin.

    I wonder who the other five readers are?

    As for Radiohead…you’ve lost me. I really don’t think they are even pressworthy anymore. They leave me cold. Next!

    Comment by James D
    37.
    February 21, 2011
    3:58 pm

    Does cutting the media out of the release schedule seem to put it to the superfans to write the reviews??

    Is it fair to say that if a radiohead album doesnt send the land of indie running furiously to the lab to re-jig all the equations, its a massive failure??

    I’ve been alternating it with anna calvi over the weekend. I didn’t pay for but if i still like them in a few months, then i’ll pick up hard copies. I think its kind of fun to listen to so far.

    Comment by captain a
    38.
    February 21, 2011
    4:09 pm

    more radiohead commentary..

    this new album for me actually lacks greenwoods touch at all! where’s the beautiful, playful orchestration? to my ears it’s all yorke.. the rhythmic elements have been pushed so far forward that most of the tracks are just mid-tempo drums and bass grooves, all the interesting stuff you typically find sitting around yorke’s voice and melody (i.e. lush strings, discordant guitar loops etc etc) are almost absent..

    @22 “rather you are seeking to pre-judge & belittle opposing opinion by framing this opinion as being offered by someone ill-informed and blinding by partiality”.. dude.. as a massive radiohead fan, prone to being blinded by partiality, this new record doesn’t cut it..

    @25 no the flying lotus et al influences are not blatant, more subtle, it’s more about the ‘type’ of record they’ve tried to make if you know what i mean..

    @28 for me cosmogramma was/is worth every drip of hype.. but i’ve passed it round to a lot of people as a must-hear album and many don’t like it.. main reason being it’s too busy and noisy

    Comment by halandor
    39.
    February 21, 2011
    4:19 pm

    Does cutting the media out of the release schedule seem to put it to the superfans to write the reviews??

    Captain a – that’s a very good question. I think what it has done is brought about a rash of first-listen reviews in a rush by established media, bloggers, fans and everyone else to be first. Hence why the best review has been the Vice review – http://www.viceland.com/music/2011/02/new-radiohead-album-the-first-review/

    I don’t think Radiohead need the media at this stage of the game. As we have well established here by now, they had the luxury of nearly two decades on and several albums for a major label to establish a devoted fanbase. Now that they’re “indie”, they can simply announce the release date and a certain swathe of their fanbase will purchase the album sight unseen. This is how every band with a fanbase operates, but these bands still need the media profile and presence to sell the album to the non-believers and the switchers and the casual fans. Radiohead obviously feel they don’t need to do this, hence why they can bypass the traditional media route.

    Does it matter that they bypass the media? Not an iota to me. But I find that a lot of media outlets covered the album who wouldn’t cover a release of this ilk if it came from any other band. Radiohead get this media profile not because of their new music – minority interest as it has become – but because of their past, a past they can thank EMI for.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    40.
    February 21, 2011
    4:46 pm

    “minority interest as it has become”

    Sorry but this is crazy talk. In Rainbows sold around 3 million copies and was only the 10th independently released album to get to No.1 on the Billboard chart.

    Comment by cmd
    41.
    February 21, 2011
    4:47 pm

    cmd – sorry, I should have been clearer. I mean “minority interest” in terms of sound – how often do you see a glitchy, skittery, twitchy electronica album get so much ink or attention? Can’t wait to see the new Baths or FlyLo album get that sort of love on release.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    42.
    February 21, 2011
    4:59 pm

    “My buddy was at both the Suede and the Oasis gig.”

    Was at those two, skipped the Beasties as I had my leaving cert a couple of weeks later.

    I remember there was a snapper from Select at the Oasis show and he was getting disgruntled fans who couldnt get there hands on tix (they were £6.75) to burn Oasis posters on Francis St.

    Nostalgia wise, I am tempted to go see Suede perfrom Suede in the Olympia in May.

    Comment by OC
    43.
    February 21, 2011
    8:07 pm

    Surprised that Vice review didn’t get mentioned till around 40 comments, very funny stuff. Also Jim where have all your Radiohead fanboy friends gone? I was expecting more fuming. Will tune back in tomorrow

    Comment by part time punk
    44.
    February 21, 2011
    8:23 pm

    Was also at Suede and Oasis gigs at the Tivoli.

    My now Wife (then girlfriend) had no ticket for the Oasis gig, but she met Evan Dando outside, and he brought her in! You can imagine my shock when she came in the door with Evan Dando. She had no idea who he was, he just kindly offered to bring her in…

    I went to alot of gigs at the Tivoli, and would get a set list from the sound desk at the end of the concert. At the Suede gig, there were a couple of guys at the sound desk. During the encore I I gestured to the one of them for the set list. He promptly gave me the set list, but scribbled on it first! I was aghast, WTF?? Turned out the guy was ‘The Edge’ and mistook my gestures to be a request for an autograph, still have the set list. Brilliant performance by Suede, very tempted to go to the first night in the Olympia…

    Re: KofL
    I’m a big Radiohead fan, but they’re treading water. IMO Kid A and Hail to the Thief are the masterpieces, this new album is like a weaker companion piece to In Rainbows. Disappointing.

    Comment by eoiny
    45.
    February 21, 2011
    9:22 pm

    sleigh bells were me·di·o·cre…………twin shadow is where it’s at………

    Comment by emma foote
    46.
    February 22, 2011
    10:55 am

    http://www.factmag.com/2011/02/22/radiohead-the-king-of-limbs/#

    the best review iv read so far

    Comment by xdeletiax
    47.
    February 22, 2011
    1:43 pm

    Was planning to go to both Sleigh Bells and Mona but only got a ticket for Mona. For Mona, I didn’t go in expecting to see ‘future of rock’n’roll’ or thinking they are the ‘new messiahs’, if you go expecting that then, of course, you’ll be disappointed. I went on the back iof the brilliant ‘Teenager’ single and I came out suitably impressed. At times, yes, they sound like KOL but what’s wrong with that? When debut ‘Youth and Young Manhood’ was released KOL quickly became the darlings of hipsters and critics alike. Worldwide mainstream success abruptly ended all that. Mona could be the new KOL or they could disappear. I’m not bothered, to be honest. Thought they were great on Thursday night. That is all.

    Not too disapponted about missing Sleigh Bells as heard mixed reports about it. The album is good but they’re a bit of a one-trick pony.

    Really looking forward to seeing ‘Inside Job’. It should be compulsory viewing for everyone.

    Comment by Quint
    48.
    February 23, 2011
    2:40 pm

    Was also at the Suede gig in the Tivoli so I think that makes 4 of us (5, if you include Eoiny’s wife). My two memories of it are that Bernard was swinging his fringe something brilliantly on the night and that the show was maddeningly short. One friend clocked it at about 50 mins. Did they even do an encore? My memory says no. Okay, so they only had one album worth of music but hell! Didn’t see the Beasties or Oasis, but did some very, very good shows at The Tivoli. Must check for the ticket stubs.

    And just to prove that I’m not totally cooking on classical gas today, it’s taken me a few emails to realise that KOL is King of Limbs and not Kings of Leon… sorry.

    Comment by Colette
    49.
    February 23, 2011
    10:59 pm

    Number 6, checking in…

    That Oasis gig is an interesting one as mostly what I remember is that the sound was pretty bad, and that I was much more impressed by Ride the previous week. I did enjoy their shout-outs to Silvermints and Brunches though. Really odd to think they were once the coolest, most-expected-to-fly band around…

    Still, the fact that it became a ‘fabled event gig’ taught me two important lessons: one, I would never have a career in A&R; and two, maintain suspicion of any gushing about gigs where you justhadtobethere, man.Although that said I will always by kicking msyelf about missing Jeff Buckley:(

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