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Opinion: Mosque in Manhattan Print E-mail
By Norman Jameson   
Monday, August 16, 2010

(ABP) -- What is the issue for Christians in the American debate about whether or not Muslims should be “allowed” to build a mosque in Manhattan?

Such a mosque would not be the first in Manhattan. In 1991 a mosque opened in uptown Manhattan. Money from the governments of Kuwait, Libya and Saudi Arabia bought the land for the cultural center/mosque in 1966 and later built the facility.

The proposed cultural center/mosque would serve Muslims in lower Manhattan. It would rise 13 stories on the site of what is now an old building that was damaged Sept. 11, 2001, when Muslim extremists flew jets into the World Trade Center towers, killing 3,000 people of many nationalities, races and religions.

That atrocity threw our country into a funk from which a stink cloud still rises. Because we could not bear the insult, we invaded Iraq and justified a pending invasion of Afghanistan.

American response has cost many times more lives than were lost on 9/11 and the long-term human toll will color our psyche and our economy for many years. It apparently also is causing Americans to consider disregarding the very principles of our nation’s founding in favor of another dip in the pool of self-pity.

America is not a “Christian” nation in the way we think of “Muslim” nations. If it were, birth certificates would automatically indicate “Christian” as the “faith of birth.” It would be illegal to convert to another faith. Jews, Native American religions, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons and atheists would be unwelcome. They would need to practice their faith covertly, at great risk of discovery and penalties unto death.

That’s the way it is when a nation defines itself by the predominant faith of its people.

That’s the way it was for Baptists 400 years ago in Europe when they stood for freedom of conscience against state churches and in some cases were chained together and thrown into the river to be “baptized” by immersion. That’s why our ancestors fled Europe. That’s why Roger Williams eventually had to flee Massachusetts Bay Colony and establish Rhode Island.

Baptists must stand for the freedom of conscience for all, for which our ancestors died.

Any question of this mosque in New York City is not about the First Amendment’s precious words that the “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....”  The question of this mosque in New York City has everything to do with self-absorbed Americans nourishing our pain from 9/11 and continuing to look for someone to blame, for someone to pay, for something to make us feel alright again.

Because the radicalized terrorists who struck at our heart were Muslims, we somehow think that to deny unrelated American Muslims the opportunity to build a worship center close to where the World Trade Center towers once stood is to strike some kind of defiant blow against terrorism. We think it will raise freedom’s torch higher because we’ve defended the memories of those who died by denying a place to read, swim, meet and worship to people who claim the same faith as the terrorists.

I’m glad that standard doesn’t hold in North Carolina, where more prisoners indicate their faith of choice is “Baptist” than any other faith. As a Baptist, I would be held accountable for their crimes.

Americans have an irritating penchant for memorializing tragedy. We want to lay wreaths on dangerous highways where fatal accidents occurred. We put plaques at the site of mass killings. We restore buildings once blown up and put parks around them so people can come and see and remember how awful it was. A commission argued for months about an “appropriate” memorial for the site of the 9/11 tragedy and a major concern was, “How will the families of the victims feel?”

I’m sorry for those who lost loved ones that day nine years ago. The truth is many thousands of families have lost loved ones since that day -- not in the same way, but the death is as permanent, the pain as searing.

I’m proud of those families who hold pictures of their loved ones and remember them fondly, bearing no grudge and recognizing that life goes on. If every nation nursed, nourished and fed their injuries like America, the world would come to a grinding halt because human tragedies strike daily: terrorist attacks in markets, suicide bombers in restaurants, murderous horsemen in Sudan and Darfur, genocides, raids on villages to conscript children for armies, train wrecks in India, capsized ferries in Indonesia. The list goes on endlessly.

To be true to our principles as Christians and for other Americans to be true to the Constitution we cannot let the painful memory of a terrorist attack and sympathetic acquiescence to those families whose identity was arrested by the events of that day dictate our responses in the future to situations that -- were they unrelated to that day -- would be totally unremarkable.

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Norman Jameson is editor of the North Carolina Baptist Biblical Recorder

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written by brotherroy, August 16, 2010
Well said. Now let's see what comments follow.
St. Nicolas Greek Orthodox Church
written by Benjamin Keach, August 16, 2010
St. Nicolas Greek Orthodox Church was the only worship center of any type destroyed on 9/11. After a nine year legal battle with the Port Authority and New York City, they still do not have permission to rebuild. Meanwhile, a mosque that was never there is on the fast track. Who says there is religious freedom in the United Staes?
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written by howell88310, August 16, 2010
Benjamin,

I was unaware of St. Nicolas Greek Orthodox Church being unable to rebuild. I am not surprised. The building of the Ground Zero mosque is not about freedom of religion or historic Baptist principles. Does anyone in their right mind believe that Obama, Bloomberg, Jameson, or any other elite would support and defend the "rights" of Westboro "Baptist Church" to build at the same location? I didn't think so.


What is surprising is the condescension and arrogance displayed in this article. Rather clumsily and I suspect intentionally, Jameson manages to offend anyone, especially families who lost loved ones on 9/11, who would dare oppose the building of the mosque two blocks from Ground Zero. While one may make plausible arguments defending the mosque on legal and freedom of religion grounds, the arrogance that accompanies most defenses, particularly Jameson's, offends me.
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written by KT2005, August 17, 2010
The left really has framed the issue well for their side. No one denies that Muslims have the right to build a mosque at ground zero. Of coarse they have a right to do this. Yet these Muslims are incredibly insensitive and are provoking others to anger by using their rights (ABP needs to read 1 Cor. 10).

Let's say a man kills your father and terrorizes your family. In doing so the killer dies. His brother, who thinks a lot like his murderous brother, now wants to buy the house next door to what is left of your family. Does the brother have a right to buy the house. Yes, of coarse he does. Should the brother buy the house and cause your family distress? No, any decent person knows the answer to this question. The Muslims are being very insensitive. Besides, the leader of the mosque is no moderate. His views are disturbing. I love how the left changes the debate from should they build the mosque to do Muslims have the right to build. How one frames the argument matters.

I also think we are at a turning point in the media. The new media may have just overtaken the mainstream media for the first time ever in the past few months. This is a huge change. How will a center right nation react politically when the media is also center right? The lefts last stronghold is our education system and Hollywood. Dismantle the teachers unions and universities and the left is really in trouble.
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written by jus10ray, August 17, 2010
I am astounded and offended at the wrongheadedness and repulsiveness of the "killer's brother next door" analogy. But it does serve to higlight the willful ignorance fueling all this anti-Islam backlash.

If the sponsors of Cordoba House were truly "brothers" to the killers who crashed planes into the WTC, no reasonable person would support the project. That's obviously not who they are. Anybody with a shred of integrity can see that much.
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written by KT2005, August 17, 2010
jus10ray,

Muslims call one another brothers just as we call other Christians brothers. In additions, all Muslims believe the Koran and have other common beliefs. As far as reason goes, if common sense is indeed common, then poles say my positions is the one with sense. Americans believe these Muslims are insensitive and should not build the mosque at ground zero. Perhaps you do not like the analogy because if fits so perfectly.
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written by Marcello, August 17, 2010
Well said, Mr. Jameson. Christianity thrives in the United States precisely because we have religious freedom. It's in our best interest to ensure that those freedoms are preserved.

I live in an area with a significant Muslim population. Some of these Muslims are descended from Muslim slaves who were brought to this country against their will -- they've been in America for more generations than many Christian families! And yet we still treat them as "foreigners" who make us feel "uncomfortable". So we ask them to step to the back of the bus. Did we learn nothing in the 20th century?

Which is why I thank God for our Constitution. Unless the lunatics take over the asylum -- which I don't think will happen, in spite of all the noise -- the pluralistic vision of the founding fathers will prevail. It's lasted over 200 years. May it last many more!
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written by KT2005, August 17, 2010
"Some of these Muslims are descended from Muslim slaves who were brought to this country against their will"

Ahh....What? Documentation please?
Agree - but one problem
written by Piratejason, August 17, 2010
I wholeheartedly agree with the majority of your thoughts.

But - this instance has not been handled appropriately by the same Government that claims 1st amendment protection for it's comments on the issue. I am a Church - State separatist - no Kingdom building has ever resulted from Governmental acceptance. I want someone to explain to me why federal tax dollars funded the trip abroad to gain financial support for this project. The last time I checked no Baptist Church received federal funds to add a fellowship hall or Youth Center - nor do I want them to.

Your opinion that 9/11 was an "insult" and the only rationale for war is very short sighted. Regrettably we have been in a war - not of our choosing - since the Munich Games. Not only are they engaged in a war on "cultural America" they are waging war against The Kingdom. I choose to fight both fronts on my knees with a broken heart.

The location is pure provocation, but that was what I expected.
KT Says...
written by Big Daddy Weave, August 17, 2010
"No one denies that Muslims have the right to build a mosque at ground zero."

Been following Sarah Palin's tweets huh?

Perhaps you should take a moment to read the article on Richard Land, also here at ABP. Land is proof that your "No one denies..." argument is wrong.

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written by KT2005, August 17, 2010
BDW,

Have you read Palin's tweets?

"We all know that they have the right to do it, but should they? This is not above your pay grade."
12:04 AM Aug 15th via web

You are usually pretty accurate on facts, but you missed it on this one.

As far as Richard Land, does anyone pay attention to what he says besides ABP? You may be surprised to know I'm not a fan of his. He is an arrogant man who is more concerned about making a name for himself than building the ERLC institution he has been put in charge of. ABP did a good job of making him look silly. . . which is not too hard to do.

So. . . everyone with a decent understanding of the Constitution is saying what Palin and America are saying: its not about "can" but "should." Muslims should not build a mosque near ground zero, just as a confederate memorial should not be placed next to slave graves. This is not complicated stuff.

For KT2005
written by JamesH, August 17, 2010
KT2005,

Here's your documentation. Any reputable American history book will do, as well.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2009147,00.html?iid=sphere-inline-sidebar
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written by KT2005, August 17, 2010
Thanks James,

I don't think we are currently talking about black Muslims who received their faith from their slave ancestors. Whatever black Muslims were made slaves were quickly converted to Christianity. All this to say, there are no Muslims who were brought here against their will that have anything remotely to do with our modern day problems with Islam. In other words, there is no connection whatsoever between Muslim Africa slaves of yesteryear and our current struggle with Islam.

So this statement is not true:
"Some of these Muslims are descended from Muslim slaves who were brought to this country against their will -- they've been in America for more generations than many Christian families!"

Africa Americans may be Muslim, but that is by choice and not because great-grandpa handed down the heritage.
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written by Marcello, August 17, 2010
KT2005,

Historians like Sherman Jackson have done extensive research on the history of Islam among the descendants of American slaves. Many assumptions -- such as "whatever black Muslims were made slaves were quickly converted to Christianity" -- have turned out to be less true than is commonly believed. Jackson's work is likely to be available at your local library.
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written by Big Daddy Weave, August 17, 2010
KT2005,

I think you're a bit confused. Not sure why you're asking me if I've read Palin's tweets. I have and have even blogged about them recently (www.thebigdaddyweave.com).

I quoted you - and mentioned Palin - because your quote sounded like you'd been reading Mrs. Mama Grizzly - apparently I was correct.

Palin: ""We all know that they have the right to do it, but should they? This is not above your pay grade."
KT2005: ""No one denies that Muslims have the right to build a mosque at ground zero." "

My point, which you apparently did not get, was that both you two are wrong. Richard Land is proof that someone does indeed deny that Muslims have the right to build their facility at the proposed location.

You might not like Richard Land. That's fine. If you use a RSS reader, subscribe to a Google Alert for Land and see how many times each week he is quoted in newspapers across the country and mentioned on political websites and blogs. I don't hold him in high regard either - but he's not a nobody.
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written by Big Daddy Weave, August 17, 2010
Just to add: Richard Land gets by far more media attention from mainstream and alternative news outlets than any other Southern Baptist, including Al Mohler. He's your go-to-guy on any social issue.
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written by GMoney, August 17, 2010
I understand that this issue is highly sensitive. I understand completely how the American people don't want a mosque built here, nor do I blame them. It's a natural reaction. There is still anger, there is still fear. Yet if we claim to be a "Christian nation", or even for those of us on here who claim to be Christians, we must allow room for the Holy Spirit to move. Forgiveness is not easy. Reconciliation is not easy. Healing takes time. We cannot forgive, reconcile or heal without God.

The Imam leading this project has sought his entire life to strengthen the relationships between Christians, Jews and Muslims. Sure he has had some controversial remarks in the past, but his overall work has been very peaceful and worked towards mutual understanding.

Perhaps instead of immediately jumping back into the pain 9/11 caused, we should instead stop for a moment in the uncomfortableness and ask what God would ask us to do in order to move to a place of forgiveness, reconciliation and healing.
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written by wadot, August 17, 2010
This article so upsets me that I just don't know what to say. Look people, the Westboro Baptist Church has the constitutional right (confirmed and reconfirmed in court) to do the nasty deeds they perform around the funerals of military service members killed in the line of duty BUT no one in their right mind could say that they should. It continues to amaze me how those who believe we should just roll over every time an agressor threatens us and never ever go to war but are so very quick to take their own personal freedoms for granted and speak so arrogantly about freedom. I assume that Mr. Jameson would not thank me for my 20 years' service.
nothing more than a provocation
written by Dr. J, August 17, 2010
Build the mosque somewhere else- show some sensitivity and respect to Americans.
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written by KT2005, August 17, 2010
BDW,

Good point on Land being a somebody. That said, he is way off the mark here. I don't follow Palin tweets, or any other tweets. Why are they called tweets anyway? Yet I do agree with "mama bear" on this point. I only googled her tweets to see if you were right about what she said. It sounded too out there to be true. I really do not know what Land is saying. If you read him he also says they have the right to build the mosque by buying private property and obeying the laws. I hope he is trying to a make a nuanced point and is being mischaracterized. . . the same way you misspoke about Palin.
I'll try one more time...
written by Big Daddy Weave, August 17, 2010
I didn't misspeak about Palin. I noted that you and her were on the same page by say arguing that NO person denies the right of Muslims to build a mosque at that particular location. Land's position proves otherwise.
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written by KT2005, August 17, 2010
I see what you mean now, is anyone else saying what Land is saying? Or is there only one exception out of 6 Billion people on the globe?
KT
written by Slick, August 18, 2010
Behold, KT spoketh ill, yea, against Richard Land. And I agree!
The last word
written by Jim Brokenbek, August 18, 2010
I Corinthians 6:12a; 10:23

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