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Blogger Jim Jay said...

This is very interesting - thanks.

I think you're right that the German Green Party is fully accomodated with the system now - but that the lessons are not just lessons for Greens elsewhere, but others who seek to push a radical alternative vision.

I think that you're also right that there may well be a "moderating" tendency when you get elected - at least if you intend to be effective.

Part of that is "bad" - which is the part people like us emphasise, because we see it pushing people to the right - but the other side is that before you have responsiblity for running a council (say) you probably have not spent much thought about the minutea of the budget which is a necessary and unavoidable task when you are actually responsible for it.

Delivering services probably does stop you shooting off at the mouth every time you think of something that sounds cool...

20 July 2008 23:34

Blogger Karl-Marx-Straße said...

I heard a debate on "1968" on the radio last night* - well it wasn't much of a debate as it was between Daniel Cohn-Bendit (representing "the west") and Die Linke 'realo' leader Andre Brie (representing "the east"), and any event that includes Cohn-Bendit on the platform can only really end in farce as he is incapable of civil discussion and prefers playing to the crowd.

Anyway, giving the experiences in Berlin - currently Die Linke have one-sidedly announced a pay deal without negotiations for local government workers - 'like it or lump it' and have argued that 'while we are Die Linke when we are in government, we are an employer, and have to act as one' - not as if that would have passed anyone by in Berlin over the past years - (sorry for the German-ness of this extremely long sentence)...

giving the experiences of Die Linke in government in Berlin, or in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, where the SAV has some activists and a councillor (in Rostock), your German comrades are the last people who need to be taught the lessons of the 'left' in government. They need to be teaching the rest of the party, instead. In Berlin they gave it a good go, at least.

Another brief history of the German Greens, written about 8 years ago, can be read at http://www.workersliberty.org/node/7799


*http://www.inforadio.de/static/dyn2sta_article/974/250974_article.shtml

21 July 2008 13:13

Blogger Derek Wall said...

interesting, the structures of capitalist democracy push radicals towards far from radical policies, Greens and socialist need to be aware of these pressures, sadly most European Green Parties have lost their radical edge and my worry, always in 28 years of membership of the Green Party is that we will go the same way.

No easy answers but radical green politics needs defending, some encouragement from the US Greens selecting Cynthia McKinney, the green direct action movement (climate camp) and the rise of ecosocialism but it is always pessimism of the will for me.

26 July 2008 22:07