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Musings from Bertie Ahern, and how I won the Nobel prize for literature
2009-10-12 09:26:18
By popular demand (well, a few Facebook friends and a few Irish journalists) here are some of Bertie Ahern's reflections from my 80 minute chat with him at the Cheltenham Book Festival.
As I tweeted yesterday, he thought Barack Obama's Nobel Peace Prize was premature; that these prizes should be for achievement not expectation, and on that basis he did not exactly demur from my suggestion that perhaps he and TB might have expected one at some stage for Northern Ireland, and that but for Iraq, it might well have happened already.
He had an interesting take on some of the key players in the peace process. Like me (see The Blair Years) he found Martin McGuinness - 'straight as a die' - easier to deal with than Gerry Adams - 'if it's Sunday, he'll say it's Monday and then in fact it'll turn out to be Tuesday'. He found David Trimble infuriating at times, but felt both respect and sympathy for the way he dealt with his Party. 'These are people whose idea of a perfect Saturday is a conference to give the leadership a hard time.' Ian Paisley 'ended up a good friend' but for years he would not shake his hand or even look him in the eye. 'Sure, there was a lot of abuse along the way but sometimes you just have to take it.'
Of the various Northern Ireland Secretaries he dealt with, there was not much warmth for Peter Mandelson. 'I liked his dog.' John Reid was 'a great guy but maybe the wrong temperament for Northern Ireland.' Paul Murphy had the right temperament. He had many fond memories of Mo Mowlam, including when she stormed into the room during the Good Friday talks, threw her wig on the table and asked 'what are all you fecking men actually doing?'
TB's role, he said, was central and relative peace in NI simply would not have happened without him. He gave a long and rather moving assessment of TB's handling of the process and concluded by saying 'the man is a hero in the whole of Ireland.'
He said if he was a politician in Britain, he would be Labour 'not the Labour of Michael Foot, but the Labour of Tony Blair.'
He came from a very Republican family and his Dad was a member of the IRA, who was jailed from time to time, but was passionately opposed to violence. Bertie talked of his first trip to Belfast amid a period of violence, and another visit in the aftermath of Bloody Sunday. He said that even though 'the legal eagles' had turned the inquiry into an over-expensive and over-long process, it was the right thing to have had one.
He had an interesting take on the struggle for a united Ireland, said he still believed in it and wanted it, but that there had to be a period of stability and calm. He thought re the battle with Al Qaida that it was always worth finding out if there were people to talk to.
Some of my favourite passages in his autobiography relate to his early days in Irish politics, and some of the rough, tough stuff he had to get up to. He clearly felt deeply the limitations of a PR system which tended to deliver minority government, but rather wistfully said even De Valera had failed to persuade the Irish to change it. As chief whip, he said he had to get up to a fair few tricks 'including forgetting how to count' when pairing MPs for tight votes.
He denied, unconvincingly, his mentor Charlie Haughey's description of Bertie as 'the most skilful, the most devious and the most cunning' of Irish politicians. And he denied Charlie McCreevy's assertion that nobody really knew him. He confirmed his view that the first rule of politics is that 'the other lot are the opposition, but your enemies are on your own side.'
He raised a good laugh among the Cheltenham audience when he told the story of the time he went to see Haughey to tell him he would lose a leadership vote. It ended with the words 'feck off.'
He admitted he had sacrificed his marrriage to Miriam for his career. Getting into another relationship, with Celia Larkin, was politically fraught. He admitted too that he resigned in part because of the incessant allegations made about his finances which became the subject of the Mahon tribunal.
When I asked him if he might run for the Irish Presidency, he said,interestingly,'I thought you said no difficult questions.' He then gave a long and elaborate answer which certainly did not rule it out.
He is very nice about most people in his book. I am 'brilliant', for example. How kind. I pointed out that the two for whom he seemed to have the greatest contempt were ex-Tory Chancellor Norman Lamont, and the singer Dana! He clearly felt Lamont had been useless when chairing the EU finance ministers in the lead up to the ERM crisis (NB David Cameron was Norm's advisor) and paid insufficient regard to the impact of events on Ireland. As for Dana, she was a religious right-winger and 'a bloody nuisance'.
Anyway, the whole event seemed to go well and it was great to catch up with him. I went from the racecourse to the town hall for an event on my novel, All In The Mind, with Kirsty Lang. Lots about mental illness, lots about politics, and plenty more evidence that Cameron is not home and dry. People just are not sure about him and his Party.
Kirsty asked me about my next novel, and I told her it was about a film star and explored what happened to people, their friends and families, when they become famous. Taking my lead from the Barack Obama peace prize, I unilaterally declared that it had won the Nobel prize for literature. And it's not out till February.
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On Scottish independence, Cameron's short-termism, and Jimmy Carter being rightPublish date: 2009-09-17 09:56:56
Is Cameron Alex Salmond's Trojan Horse?Publish date: 2009-09-15 10:13:42
On the TUC, Roy of the Rovers and Anna WintourPublish date: 2009-09-14 11:04:46
Memo to Apple boss Steve JobsPublish date: 2009-09-13 17:36:31
A day in the life of a (crap) City traderPublish date: 2009-09-11 17:52:25
Defend record with pride, attack Tories with gustoPublish date: 2009-09-10 11:06:36
Cameron's Conservatism beyond parodyPublish date: 2009-09-09 10:38:00
On transforned cities, and tales of Princess Di and Laura BushPublish date: 2009-09-08 09:45:54
Labour should put minister up against Griffin on Question TimePublish date: 2009-09-06 12:39:56
School speech the latest source of right-wing frothing at ObamaPublish date: 2009-09-05 08:23:02
More horse's mouth, less Beeb blah pleasePublish date: 2009-09-04 22:49:20
Real respect for sport can be Olympic legacyPublish date: 2009-09-04 09:27:34
First ladies watch out for Japanese bombshellPublish date: 2009-09-03 10:47:19
TV debate - good idea in theory, but ...Publish date: 2009-09-02 15:37:43
'No worries' - the new response to thanksPublish date: 2009-09-01 12:25:19
Tremors of Japanese political earthquake will be felt far and widePublish date: 2009-08-30 15:50:54
Pressure on Ed Miliband can help get a climate change dealPublish date: 2009-08-28 13:39:08
Why Tories and media cannot stomach GCSE success storyPublish date: 2009-08-27 16:03:34
Exposing the absurdity of Chris GraylingPublish date: 2009-08-26 13:20:19
Joy and beauty and a night of magicPublish date: 2009-08-20 10:55:11
Twitter NHS backlash good for ObamaPublish date: 2009-08-14 15:44:49
A lifetime's ambition fulfilledPublish date: 2009-08-08 16:59:02
Breaking the blog-a-day spell as warm up to holidayPublish date: 2009-07-20 17:44:49
No hiding place from Twitter, me on the bike, JP in DCPublish date: 2009-07-17 18:17:09
At last - something Obama cannot do wellPublish date: 2009-07-16 10:05:47
Will MPs take the lead in the debate on euthanasia?Publish date: 2009-07-15 12:30:01
Berlin brothel leads the way to a greener worldPublish date: 2009-07-14 10:57:25
A time for GB to explain the whole picturePublish date: 2009-07-13 12:37:54
All hail Monty, Jimmy and Collie!Publish date: 2009-07-12 20:06:36
First triathlon of the summer for me, education award for FionaPublish date: 2009-07-12 09:43:06
Of Burnley's friendly and Obama's wandering eyePublish date: 2009-07-11 12:38:52
Two great early morning momentsPublish date: 2009-07-10 10:27:07
Cameron had better be sure he's rightPublish date: 2009-07-09 11:06:22
Guardian scoop has big questions for press, cops and CameronPublish date: 2009-07-08 20:40:54
Divisive legend: Lance ArmstrongPublish date: 2009-07-07 10:38:23
First hug a hoodie, now grab a gayPublish date: 2009-07-06 12:57:09
Mail on Scumday's wonderful account of Lansley's kipperdomPublish date: 2009-07-05 13:14:51
Ecclestone undermines his own success with alarming views on HitlerPublish date: 2009-07-04 14:04:04
When the conmen move more quickly than the councilPublish date: 2009-07-03 10:19:52
Andrew Lansley done up like a kipperPublish date: 2009-07-02 10:10:52
A day spent interviewing footballers, then being interviewed by a transvestite comedianPublish date: 2009-07-01 14:47:40
When the power of black eyes fadesPublish date: 2009-06-30 09:24:59
Farewell to Henry HodgePublish date: 2009-06-29 20:41:12
Honouring the power of sport to do goodPublish date: 2009-06-29 14:49:42
Andy Murray is a winner. Is that why some Brits don't like him?Publish date: 2009-06-28 09:19:20
New Parliament will look very different. The younger the betterPublish date: 2009-06-27 17:34:26
Two nice surprises, sad end to dayPublish date: 2009-06-26 09:16:33
Apology from the Spectator on Iraq boosts Henry Hodge fundPublish date: 2009-06-25 19:57:26
Thanks to Mr Harper on mental health, rebuttal of Mr Hague on IraqPublish date: 2009-06-24 23:47:54
Glad to find Eric Cantona in a quiet cinema ...Publish date: 2009-06-24 00:46:23
By Dave's friends shall we know him?Publish date: 2009-06-23 11:30:20
The Speaker has to balance tradition and change - but defend ParliamentPublish date: 2009-06-22 11:58:44
Less a blog than an apology for not having done onePublish date: 2009-06-21 20:07:43
The day Lions skipper Paul O'Connell took my trousers downPublish date: 2009-06-20 11:48:28
On the Iraq inquiry, Independent article wrongPublish date: 2009-06-19 20:28:24
Thank you to three readers, now please get involvedPublish date: 2009-06-19 09:13:35
A tribute to a lovely manPublish date: 2009-06-18 17:19:40
Bad times in Belfast, great day for Burnley, odd statement from Ed BallsPublish date: 2009-06-18 10:04:47
A plea for five-figure cyber-donationsPublish date: 2009-06-17 07:40:42
On two inquiriesPublish date: 2009-06-16 08:57:39
From India to Iran to Labour witPublish date: 2009-06-15 10:13:17
Memories of Princess DianaPublish date: 2009-06-14 09:54:55
A House Divided?Publish date: 2009-06-13 02:53:47
A humbling NHS experience, a media row and a good GB speechPublish date: 2009-06-12 10:48:46
Psychiatrists heading for relegation in 'disease prestige' league tablePublish date: 2009-06-11 10:25:35
The shrinks awaitPublish date: 2009-06-10 09:44:16
As Obama fights for healthcare, let's celebrate the record herePublish date: 2009-06-09 12:52:55
Anger at BNP seats must be turned into activismPublish date: 2009-06-08 14:11:10
Can today be as frenzied as Friday?Publish date: 2009-06-07 10:31:04
Take heart from a win in LambethPublish date: 2009-06-06 18:46:40
JP is right there was no proper campaign but Tories still weakPublish date: 2009-06-05 13:47:20
Do we care more about the NHS or moats?Publish date: 2009-06-04 00:21:23
Guardian of social justice or attention-seeker?Publish date: 2009-06-03 10:19:33
Who says Britain can't deliver the best?Publish date: 2009-06-02 08:08:38
Mainstream has a duty to vote against BNPPublish date: 2009-06-01 11:03:29
Let Diversity inspire a vote against the hate-filled BNPPublish date: 2009-05-31 12:24:20
White House whack at UK media well-timed but sure to be ignoredPublish date: 2009-05-30 13:41:00
Elvis has a plan to make MPs King againPublish date: 2009-05-29 12:09:44
At least there's a campaign on in ItalyPublish date: 2009-05-28 09:04:32
A blow to gay rights and a boost for Cameron's short-termismPublish date: 2009-05-27 11:27:41
It's my blog and I'll be a big kid if I want toPublish date: 2009-05-26 23:25:58
Highs feel better after so many lowsPublish date: 2009-05-26 10:13:12
Only one present countsPublish date: 2009-05-25 11:05:46
Contrast Cheney and BushPublish date: 2009-05-24 12:11:45
Sex (or at least the female form) obsessed BritainPublish date: 2009-05-23 20:49:57
Sport at both ends of the financial spectrumPublish date: 2009-05-23 09:57:23
Stronger together - whether Scotland or expensesPublish date: 2009-05-22 10:22:36
Back to Number 10, familiar faces, familiar argumentsPublish date: 2009-05-21 10:14:34
Speaking up for ParliamentPublish date: 2009-05-20 11:44:17
Peace in the Middle East - yes he canPublish date: 2009-05-19 09:37:35
Breaking news - one frenzy at a timePublish date: 2009-05-18 10:34:30
Getting a good look at Vince CablePublish date: 2009-05-17 09:36:55
How do you solve a problem like Silvio?Publish date: 2009-05-16 09:32:21
It was the internet wot won itPublish date: 2009-05-15 10:04:57
There now follows ... a good whack at CameronPublish date: 2009-05-14 17:21:28
They got their kit off - so you get your cash outPublish date: 2009-05-14 07:41:11
Expenses row must not obscure Tory intentions on minimum wagePublish date: 2009-05-13 16:12:08
We love you Burnley, we do ... what a nightPublish date: 2009-05-13 02:37:17
A tweet cannot express the wonders of TGVPublish date: 2009-05-12 08:48:31
It's Mind week - Get it off your Chest with me and Stephen FryPublish date: 2009-05-11 06:29:15
Hate the Mail, love ObamaPublish date: 2009-05-10 10:04:00
Burnley 1 Reading 0 - a biased reportPublish date: 2009-05-09 21:26:32
MPs expenses - time for party leaders to meet againPublish date: 2009-05-09 09:50:19
Should happiness replace prosperity as national goal?Publish date: 2009-05-08 08:43:23
Musings from a sleepless nightPublish date: 2009-05-07 07:33:49
Darren Fletcher - an injustice that has to be rightedPublish date: 2009-05-06 09:52:29
Maggie's legacy not as great as she thinksPublish date: 2009-05-05 08:33:02
Here's hoping Cardiff is metaphor for CameronPublish date: 2009-05-04 09:38:30
More Mr Benn and Co pleasePublish date: 2009-05-03 10:03:00
Going Fourth with JPPublish date: 2009-05-02 18:25:41
Journalism - print first, think laterPublish date: 2009-05-02 09:10:01
In praise of two poetsPublish date: 2009-05-01 10:26:36
JP hits the road againPublish date: 2009-04-29 18:52:11
My night with Eddie IzzardPublish date: 2009-04-29 10:53:25
Explaining the 50p top tax ratePublish date: 2009-04-28 09:22:53
George Best and Martin McGuinnessPublish date: 2009-04-27 09:02:35
Cameron confused over indepdendence and impartialityPublish date: 2009-04-26 12:20:56
Guide ro Marathon running part 2Publish date: 2009-04-25 11:01:34
Good signals on coal and the OlympicsPublish date: 2009-04-24 10:45:28
Tips for the London MarathonPublish date: 2009-04-23 17:29:27
Missed the Budget, saw why it matteredPublish date: 2009-04-22 23:09:31
Football good, politics bad. AllegedlyPublish date: 2009-04-22 00:00:24
The Great Wall gets greaterPublish date: 2009-04-21 09:55:22
Two sides to police storyPublish date: 2009-04-20 11:39:54
Budgets, Balls, billionaires and Susan BoylePublish date: 2009-04-19 12:31:45
Do muscles have memories?Publish date: 2009-04-18 09:44:44
Bring back standing at footballPublish date: 2009-04-17 14:50:22
When Facebook friends fall outPublish date: 2009-04-16 12:29:16
Guardian sightings and the email and bath plug agendaPublish date: 2009-04-15 11:32:16
The spin is all in the prismPublish date: 2009-04-14 09:22:41
A setback, not a crisisPublish date: 2009-04-13 12:55:19
The real lessons from Damian McBridePublish date: 2009-04-12 10:49:47
Will English always be the dominant language?Publish date: 2009-04-11 10:02:02
On the pipes and what makes a ScotPublish date: 2009-04-10 11:06:20
John Prescott lazy? NO WAYPublish date: 2009-04-09 09:11:31
David Frost is seventyPublish date: 2009-04-08 08:48:38
The Speaker, BBC2, tonight and tomorrow 8pmPublish date: 2009-04-07 14:25:31
Obama, colds and being woken by Korean missilesPublish date: 2009-04-06 11:59:24
When a call matters more than protocolPublish date: 2009-04-05 11:33:42
Green Cities Champions LeaguePublish date: 2009-04-04 10:19:53
Could Cameron have delivered the G20 deal?Publish date: 2009-04-03 10:11:59
Of Benn and BonoPublish date: 2009-04-02 08:21:16
Memo to Sarko - allez vite a LondresPublish date: 2009-04-01 08:46:17
Happy April Fool's DayPublish date: 2009-04-01 01:44:05
Eurostar, Le Monde and a thought for the G20 sherpasPublish date: 2009-03-31 09:17:22
Why Kevin Rudd made an impactPublish date: 2009-03-30 10:24:41
Pre-G20 hype matters less than post-G20 processPublish date: 2009-03-29 13:17:28
The Damned UnitedPublish date: 2009-03-28 10:37:04
A hobby horse, a plug and a bit of sportPublish date: 2009-03-27 10:22:23
Cloughie - he had a lot to be big-headed aboutPublish date: 2009-03-26 09:38:36
A sad sight of the old fearing the youngPublish date: 2009-03-25 17:03:07
Post-modern, post-structural, or bullshit?Publish date: 2009-03-25 08:18:02
Learning the right lessons from ObamaPublish date: 2009-03-24 08:53:15
Lazy Dave needs to keep an eye on lazy KenPublish date: 2009-03-23 11:16:14
Farewell favourite restaurant, hello hometownPublish date: 2009-03-22 08:18:09
Dave, Danny and have the Tories really changed?Publish date: 2009-03-21 08:55:13
Life beyond Dover ...Publish date: 2009-03-20 10:11:21
My friends in The New Statesman - Fergie, Fiona, Tony, Sarah, Kevin, 'Dacre,' and a great GB idea for the G20Publish date: 2009-03-18 10:38:22
Iraq, Iran, GB, Obama and diplomatic chessPublish date: 2009-03-17 10:07:13
The Age of StupidPublish date: 2009-03-16 08:27:13
Is all change good?Publish date: 2009-03-15 10:00:06
The pressure of being a post-modern sex godPublish date: 2009-03-14 10:00:55
Cameron still hasn't sealed the deal with businessPublish date: 2009-03-13 09:21:49
Stand up for social workersPublish date: 2009-03-12 08:31:17
Surely Malcolm Tucker could have told Armando Ianucci ... You can't spin a spinnerPublish date: 2009-03-11 10:58:25
Start of a new approach from Labour?Publish date: 2009-03-10 09:54:12
A peace process still strongPublish date: 2009-03-09 08:21:05
Day of destiny for the real footballer of the yearPublish date: 2009-03-08 09:21:06
Private advice to Peggy Mitchell - the leaked note in fullPublish date: 2009-03-07 08:17:21
Boris, the Tories and the tummy-tickling poodle pressPublish date: 2009-03-06 09:49:37
A day in the life of the self-obsessed TV reporterPublish date: 2009-03-05 07:55:47
GB - good speech, well deliveredPublish date: 2009-03-04 19:31:05
Notes on the environment, a role in EastEndersPublish date: 2009-03-04 10:58:56
She may be my 'wife' but it is time to rebut!Publish date: 2009-03-03 10:52:59
Some speeches matter more than othersPublish date: 2009-03-02 12:04:45
Mental health and the Carling Cup FinalPublish date: 2009-03-01 09:08:17
Inside the chocolate factoryPublish date: 2009-02-28 10:23:59
GB on the G20, JP on Jeremy KylePublish date: 2009-02-27 09:14:36
Charity and the credit crunch, please give generously!Publish date: 2009-02-26 08:55:12
Why oh why are the Tories not home and dry?Publish date: 2009-02-24 09:44:59
Me, Dermot and ten top songsPublish date: 2009-02-23 10:02:19
Names round-upPublish date: 2009-02-22 08:43:39
What's in a name?Publish date: 2009-02-21 09:58:14
Editing the New StatesmanPublish date: 2009-02-20 11:42:36
Salute Peter M’s proper use of the F wordPublish date: 2009-02-19 09:58:58
Labour's communications challenge for the NHSPublish date: 2009-02-18 10:34:39
In praise of KeighleyPublish date: 2009-02-17 14:33:57
A night at the EmiratesPublish date: 2009-02-17 00:06:51
When marriage is testedPublish date: 2009-02-16 13:36:35
Spare me the myths and the whiningPublish date: 2009-02-15 13:29:50
Dave Cameron - is that all there is?Publish date: 2009-02-14 11:11:55
Boris Johnson: F is for ...Publish date: 2009-02-13 07:55:10
The Cameron vacuumPublish date: 2009-02-12 14:48:33
Lincoln, Obama, Blair and the 24 hour media culturePublish date: 2009-02-11 10:28:47
Eighteen interviews later ...Publish date: 2009-02-10 19:24:45
Time to talk about Time to Change on NewsnightPublish date: 2009-02-09 22:47:49
So that’s what they mean by online community?Publish date: 2009-02-08 12:12:51
First blogPublish date: 2009-02-05 15:23:57
Colin Hooper
2009-10-12 13:57:15well done on winning the Nobel prize for literature. I have won the next economics prize on account of my not voting Tory at the next election, thereby helping save Britain from a depression caused by their 'small state' policies which, as a former member of the MPC has said, will cause five million to be unemployed
Not an Irish journo
2009-10-12 13:55:13I am not an Irish journo, or a journo of any sort really, but what I remember from the exchange was AC asking if BA wanted to run for President, as de Valera had done after leading the government (I can't spell Irish word for PM!!!) and BA said, as AC says on blog, you said no difficult questions. He then said it was some time off, he was still in the Irish parliament, there was no rush, there were lots of factors (he did not mention the one re the tribunal) and lots if time, two years or so. He did also say that he had to wonder did he want to get back into such a high profile, but he also said 'everyone in Ireland would fancy being president,' or something like that. At the end of his answer AC said 'I think we'll take that as a yes!' It was a very funny exchange. I am surprised there were not real Irish journos there because they covered a lot more ground than I had seen in BA's recent interviews in Ireland. (I am Irish by the way, just not a journo)
Another Irish journo!!
2009-10-12 12:57:47More details please!!! The Presidency question is a big one over here - if the Tribunal Report is critical, he cannot be seen to chase to position. But if it is not - it looks like we could have President Bertie in two years time!
olli issakainen
2009-10-12 10:34:22Last year´s winner of the Nobel peace prize Martti Ahtisaari (former president of Finland) said on Finnish television that Barack Obama was given the prize in order to encourage him to seek peace in the Middle East. The prize has been given for this kind of reason previously, too.
Some have suggested that Obama should give his prize back. As far as I know, this can´t be done. I think Henry Kissinger tried to do it.
Carole
2009-10-12 10:27:56I was at your event with Mr Ahern and later at your session on your own book and what came through, in a way that never does in the media, was that actually your and his politics are driven by conviction. I was impressed by Mr Ahern's analysis of his colleagues in the peace process, and his ability to see the good sides even of people who had abused him and degraded him because of his nationality and religion. I agree with what you said at your own event, namely that hundreds of people turn out to events like that because they do not really get proper debate in depth on television any more, even though there is more time on the television. I attended another event yesterday and learned more about American healthcare in that session than I have in weeks trying to follow the debate through the media. I agree about Obama by the way. I bet he does too. To his credit he looked a bit embarrassed by it all
Harold Hall
2009-10-12 10:23:42Thank you for your candour and openness at your town hall event. I think many in the hall who knew you only through your media image were taken aback by just how frank you were, and also with your political observations. Your point about Cameron being good at image but nothing else was well made. I get the feeling people are beginning to see through the act. The only worry is that too many have already given up on Gordon
Irish journo
2009-10-12 10:21:28Come on AC... tell us more about how he answered the Presidency question? Sounds like you covered a lot of ground. Agree with him about Obama.
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