Ordinary voters are dangerous for the Left: remember Joe the Plumber

Joe ‘the Plumber’ didn’t have a plumbing licence, didn’t have his own business and would be better off under Obama’s tax plans. He was adopted by the McCain campaign and they lost the election. Ordinary voters are dangerous for the left!

Or even “disastrous”

“He did not smile with hypocritical indulgence, and then go on to describe his interlocutor in private as a “redneck oik” or a “selfish throwback” or whatever.”

We don’t know what he said in private. He wasn’t miked up by SKY TV.
If was was miked up and said something whoever miked him up had the integrity to treat what was said in private as “private”.

Somehow it is OK to eavesdrop on private conversations?
Is it OK to bug his car in case he remembers to remove the mike? Is it OK to bug his phones or use directional mikes or bounce lasers off the windows to detect their vibrations?
When does what is said in private become legitimate for broadcast?

What ever happened to honesty and integrity? Oh, I forget, the is none in politics and none in journalism.

Do the other politicians need to fear? have they sent out memos reminding people to witch off their mikes? Or are they confident the media wouldn’t publicise anything they had to say in private?
Do we bug Gordon’s house, his bedroom?
What other people say to him in private?

We know, or think we know, that Brown is a walking disaster. Does that justify the behaviour of the media?
Is it “the public’s right to know”? or “the public’s right to know what we want them to know”?
The media is not without its own agenda.

@jmw1

Be realistic; firstly, it was stupid to allow Brown to be miked by SKY as in previous elections, Labour did their own miking.

Secondly, with a political bomb-shell like that, SKY has every right to broadcast it. It is clearly in the “public interest”. It’s their mike; Gordon only needed to remove it if he wanted privacy!

And I bet you’d be playing a different tune, had Cameron been caught calling a voter a “frightful oik” or similar.

If this sorry episode shows anything, it’s that it isn’t just a party’s policies which count, but the voters need to get to know the politicians. While Gordon stares into the camera tonight, he’ll be acutely aware that his facial expressions, body language and tone convey as much, if not more, than his words. He also knows that words might be his strongest point, but he’s woefully lacking in the other areas. His inner cabal will be very, very anxious tonight.

And the difference here is that Brown – unlike Blair – is very much on the Left. That’s the shift many people haven’t grokked. They still think it’s New Labour on the ticket.

Betfair are offering 48 to 1 on a Labour win; Labour have gone back to the 80s.

It would be interesting to ‘bug’ any politician for a day or two. Judging by the rather flustered interview that Cameron gave the other day at ‘Gay Times’ he’s not too keen on homosexuals. I’d love to hear his comments immediately after he minced through the streets on a ‘Gay Pride’ march if he thought no-one was listening.

Well done to Sky News for exposing this vile excuse for a human being. Yes, most of us already knew what a detestable bully, coward and hypocrite he is. But this latest showing of the man’s true colours means that not even the ‘deniers’ can continue to deceive themselves. To know a man is to observe his wife. Sarah doesn’t look like a woman familiar with happiness or love and doesn’t have the confidence to speak without her husband’s permission for fear of saying the wrong thing.

jmw1: Somehow it is OK to eavesdrop on private conversations?

When that person is standing for election to the most influential office in the land, absolutely. We need to know about the characters of the people who are asking for our vote.

@ will

To know a man is to observe his wife.

Really? Did Dr Johnson say that? Or is it an original?

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“Somehow it is OK to eavesdrop on private conversations?”

No. You’re right – no matter how much I dislike Gordy I don’t agree with bugging people even if they are “standing for election to the most influential office in the land”.

Do you want to get to know our politicians? I would rather know about the policies.

Do you want to know if the PM is a bully? No not really. I would sooner have someone who might actually stand up for what they believe in than some wet PR man.

Of course there can be doubt on the real matter… Brown still needs to be removed!

@jmw1

Given that the British people are the most spied-upon in the world thanks to this unelected pretend Prime Minister, it seems a bit cheeky to grumble about the rest of us eavesdropping on his private conversations. Me – I love the irony!

Y Rhyfelwr Dewr
on Apr 29th, 2010
at 12:33 pm

You were going to vote for him before this? you didn’t suspect he wasn’t all his public persona implied?

biff0
on Apr 29th, 2010
at 1:12 pm

So great. Now we show them that it is OK? Fat chance of dismantling some of these things we don’t like.
There may be an element of poetic justice in this, true, but what you basically say is its OK to do this.
I don’t like it when the government does it and I don’t like it when the media does it.
Simple.

So, now Mr. Brown can relate to how many of us feel about his intrusions into people’s daily lives. Politicians like him use the crude weapon of fear. The “boogie man” from France / Spain /Russia / Saudi Arabia is going to get you unless we spy on you and your daily life. It’s a story for the ages. Glad he got caught, and hope he pays the electoral price.

I believe Winston Churchill once remarked along the lines of “the worst argument for democracy is a five minute conversation with a voter”.

Richard Manns
on Apr 29th, 2010
at 12:03 pm

Wrong on everything.

“Be realistic; firstly, it was stupid to allow Brown to be miked by SKY as in previous elections, Labour did their own miking.”

Last time Labour had more funds. You think SKY is being altruistic? The purpose for which the mikes were fitted was for the “meet the public” events. Not for private conversations in cars.
This was implicit in the fact that the mikes would normally be switched off or removed. The mistake in doing neither doesn’t mean the conversation is no longer private.

“Secondly, with a political bomb-shell like that, SKY has every right to broadcast it. It is clearly in the “public interest”.”

How is it in the public interest? Its a very elastic justification if it includes private conversations.
Would it be in the public interest to tap his phones? Indeed, it could well be said that it is in the public interest not to know the private conversations of public figure or private figures. Is it in the public interest to know your private conversations?

“It’s their mike; Gordon only needed to remove it if he wanted privacy!”

It was quite evident that that was the intention and expectation. It is equally feasible to believe that under the circumstances he may have forgotten. To ,make that stick you’d have to believe also that Brown wanted to be heard saying what he did.

“And I bet you’d be playing a different tune, had Cameron been caught calling a voter a “frightful oik” or similar.”

Wrong here too.
I have already objected to the Telegraph’s underhanded way of revealing Clegg’s expenses during the election when they hoped it would do the most damage and not during the expenses scandal itself where it was legitimate to do so.
If it was an open mike situation with Cameron, I’d say exactly the same – I don’t care who it is that is shown up this way, it is dirty underhanded and morally wrong. Once you accept the morality you can’t oick and choose.
I’d say again about Cameron if it were one of his expenses secretes disclosed during the election with the intent to cause damage rather than at the time when it was a public interest issue.

lastly, if you’ve been following these blogs you will have realised that I am not now nor have I ever been a labour supporter.
I have been a Conservative supporter and still am now that they go under another name, a name that must not be mentioned on these blogs because it is the policy of this paper to suppress even the public utterances of that party. Suffice it to say I don’t consider Cameron or his party true tories.

Labour have form on this. Remember the fuss a few years ago when Clive Soley (then a big wheel in the party) told an internal meeting that white working class pensioners were “conservative” and “racist”.

Far from being a moment of madness, Brown was expressing exactly what New Labour think about the indegenous working class, or indeed anybody who thinks that immigration is an issue to be debated.

Professional politicians are so far removed from ordinary people that they cannot see the threat that rampant immigration poses to very many people. The competition for jobs, services and social housing is very damaging to many under-class, working-class and even middle-class voters. Why won’t the elite classes recognise this?

It’s the Thirties and Forties all over again. The current “leadership” both left and right are as out of touch as were Henry Wallace, Oswald Moseley and Howard Z. Foster.

It would have been wiser had they simply not attempted anything so suicidal as “reaching out” and just been themselves instead. They are immune to our needs, wants and concerns, and were raised to be that way.

People will put up with another brick in the wall if enough of them build a livable house. They don’t like bricks being thrown at them by PR types with customer relationship management fixations left over from their days in retail.

As the public has sorted out they have less voice in their own destinies than they would have in the old Soviet Union, with no relief from either left nor right, no progress will be made until the lot go completely broke in spite of the treasure we odoriferous serfs have showered upon them with grudging but unswerving reliability. It is both a sad yet encouraging observation that the presumed “obsolete” Royal Family have earned more public respect and esteem and display better leadership skills than those duly elected. It is perhaps because they fabricate no pretense to be other than what they are.

Remember de Gaulle’s prayer vis a vis the Reynaud regime: “Oh Lord, please grant us a government which makes us neither laugh nor weep.”

jmw1 on Apr 29th, 2010 at 11:50 am

Is it OK for some jobsworth on the Local Council to tap your private phone calls? Intercept your emails and inspect your internet browsing habits? Plant hidden cameras in your rubbish bin?

Your hero Brown thinks so, and has put in place legislation to enable such actions.

Sauce for the goose, IMO.

Private conversation? You deluded fools, stop making Brown out to be a victim of the nasty TV people. This was no more a “private” conversation than his comments outside of the car.

He agreed to be miked up and he forgot to take it off. HE made it a public conversation, not anyone else and SKY were entitled to shame him.

Brown is a grown man, responsible for his own actions or will the Left Wing trying to blame this on “Society”

hyl3 on Apr 29th, 2010 at 11:34 am

If Joe ‘the Plumber’ didn’t have a plumbing licence, or his own business how come he would be better off under Obama’s tax plans?

Perhaps by “better off” you mean more able to scrounge off Obamas new health/welfare programme.

None of which alters the fact that Obama is almost as duplicitous as MacRuin and both of them have ruined their countries.

Thye trouble with the Left is that much of its thought is based on theory or “how things ought to be.” This inevitably causes problems on the rare occasions when the politicians run up against the reality of the real world – or “how things actually are.”

jmw1 on Apr 29th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

Stop waffling – nobody is interested (excepting Guardian readers) in ploughing through your nonsense.

Get a grip man – we have an election to prepare for!

LOl, it looks like Labour need an electable leader. Where is Michael Foot when you need him?

Don’t forget the disgusting spectacle of democrat politicians colluding with biased media folk to get ‘damaging’ info on ‘Joe the Plumber’.

It is absolutely irrelevant whether he had a licence or a ponytail or a wooden leg because the politician came to his neck of the woods and asked for his vote.
f you do that you are entitled to ask questions without having your private details pored over in public having been released by elected democrat officials.

Catweazle
on Apr 29th, 2010
at 1:44 pm

Someone else who cannot read.
You obviously haven’t been reading the other blogs and it is evident you haven’t read my answer to Richard Manns either, though possibly your comment was on its way before that reply got posted.

But whether your have read elsewhere or not, it doesn’t say much about your own intellect if you cannot read and consider the argument but have to make unwarranted and unfounded assumptions on the base of it.

You think that because I oppose the invasion of Brown’s privacy that I condone the invasion of everyone else’s privacy? That is so absurd that it beggars belief. On the contrary, it is far more logical to assume that because you think it is OK to expose the private conversations of politicians that it is also OK to expose your private conversations or mine?

“Your hero Brown thinks so, and has put in place legislation to enable such actions.

Sauce for the goose, IMO.”

And as for “sauce… ” you said it, not me. I’d have no one’s private conversations made public. You would. SO you work out who that comment applies to most aptly.
Get your friends to explain it to you if necessary.

Well, this is what you have said. It shows that i am probably wasting my time talking to you. Just read my comment above.

privatesregor

And who are you when you are at home?
Nobody I guess because while you don’t want to read what other people have said, you do like to post even when you say nothing.
Catweazle and Richard Manns at least had something to say, but not you.

this is a re-enactment of the Dead Parrot Sketch. Labour are trying to sell us a dead parrot, claiming that it isn’t dead at, but we, the vast majority of the electorate, know better.

It isn’t Gordon Brown who is the dead parrot, although he does a mighty fine impersonation of one, but the whole Labour concept; right the way along from Blair, Mandleson, working-class hero ex postie(make sure you get that bit in) Johnson, through to James Purnell and the ‘Flipper’ Blears.

their whole concept of social engineering under the guise of ‘equality’ and ‘fairness’ is and has been exposed as a sham- it is a dead parrot, and the public are no longer buying it; as was so brilliantly exposed yesterday

The thing about anyone with a zeal based on a mission is this: they don’t realise that the mission once described conditions accurately, but it might not any more.

It’s a bit silly to tell a woman whose father sexually abused her to trust men. You might get her to trust you after a few years, but she won’t take it on trust. No matter how many decent men there are in the world…

It’s a bit silly to tell a metal basher in Yorkshire how much you’re doing for manufacturing. They know better……..

It’s a bit silly to get women to teach boys how to be men. But it was left wing mantra for 20 years when all men were rapists………..now millions of men are impotent instead. Silly, isn’t it?

It’s a bit silly for one generation to tell the next one that they know best what will work in their generation. They might know best in their own generation, but each generation must find its own truth……..

And it’s a bit silly for America to tell the world that America knows best. It knows what’s best for America. Nothing else.

jmw1 on Apr 29th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

Who am I?
Quite well known – for not always the right reasons.

Nothing to say?
In fact I said quite a lot – you just didn’t like reading it

I use a pseudonym to prevent types like you sending hate mail or worse still start crawling around our rather inaccessible (country) estate.

To avoid any further correspondence perhaps you would pre-empt your future “posts” with either the words “Sensible” or “Nonsense” – this will allow readers to make their own decision about further reading.

Although the moniker “jmw1″ may be sufficient.

“Joe ‘the Plumber’ didn’t have a plumbing licence, didn’t have his own business and would be better off under Obama’s tax plans.”

Thousands of plumbers in the U.S. don’t have plumbing licenses. They work for companies that buy the licenses, because they’re expensive (government in action).

the man’s middle name is Joseph and is called Joe by friends.

You’re entitled to the rest of your opinions, but you’re not entitled to your own facts.

Ordinary voters are only dangerous to left-wing politicians because they inadvertently expose the limitless arrogance of these people and their fundamental contempt for the plebs they require in order to get elected.

Brown has just stated that no unskilled person from outside the EU can come to the UK but of course hundreds of thousands of students going to dubious private colleges come here each year and are permitted to work.

Once they get a national insurance number they can survive and after five years are allowed to stay indefinitely.

Government minister Lord West said in the Lords in March that four and a quarter million national insurance numbers have been issued to foreign nationals in the last seven years.

A sensible new policy would be to prohibit foreign students at private colleges working and the numbers would dwindle rapidly.

@jmw1

“So great. Now we show them that it is OK? Fat chance of dismantling some of these things we don’t like.”

Make that NO chance. Hence the public frustration and the resultant schadenfreude over Brown’s humiliation.

And as for showing them that it’s OK – they’re not naughty children needing a firm parental hand, they’re politicians. And politicians don’t require the electorate to serve as their moral compass, they require the electorate to keep the political troughs overflowing and not ask embarrassing questions.

In the good old days before TV and the internet, politicians had to address crowds from a soapbox and often endured being pelted with vegetables. That’d do me.

Fascinating how some trolls are turning this into a “bugging” story. I guess that will be Campbell’s idea.

Imagine how “unfair” it would have been if Hitler was heard criticising Judaism on a live mic. The Left would have rushed to his defence, especially as he was also a socialist.

Nah!

Due to his own stupidity, he spoke into a live wireless mic and was therefore on record with his views of his core vote.

Of course, most of them, bigots that they are, will still delver their votes for him, so that the left can continue to destroy the white, English working class.

Sad, innit?

jmw1

How can Brown’s comments NOT be in the public interest?

We are in the process of deciding who will lead this country for the next five years (at least that’s what we’re told), and while I agree that policy should be the deciding factor, I for one would be uncomfortable voting for anyone who demonstrates such blatant two-facedness.

I want my MPs and Prime Minister to have the confidence in their private beliefs to air them publicly.

I’m not sure about everyone else, but it’s not the fact that Brown called her a bigot that irks me, it’s that he called her such in private after he was so polite to her face and had apparently won her over.

This demonstrates to me that he is quite capable of showing one face in public and another in private – a quality I (and I’m sure many of the world’s leaders, who if he somehow manages to hold on to power) do not place great trust in.

It’s not that Brown’s comments were private ones that you should be worried about, it’s that they differ so vastly from those he was airing publicly just seconds before.

I would have had more respect for Brown if he’d pulled her up on it in public if he believed that’s what she was – at least it would have shown a man willing to argue for what he believes. By rolling off all these figures in public, then calling her names in private, it shows a lack of confidence in his own policy.

Sadly though, what she said is not that far beyond what millions across the country are worried about but few dare mention, and the whole thing only demonstrates Brown’s automatic defence mode and inability to take on board what people are saying to him.

He only heard one word she said – ‘immigration’ – and based his opinioin on her on that word alone, despite the fact she went on to praise Labour’s work in local schools in far more detail than she spoke to him about immigration.

I will place my vote based on policy, but at the same time I don not want to see someone who can be so two-faced running our country.

I get the feeling with some on the left, that anyone who does not agree with them is either a bigot, a racist, or a fascist. It’s a good way of closing down a free debate on an issue by throwing mud at someone else’s point of view.

jmw1

I always read your posts, you make some good points, well. However, I cannot agree with you on this.

Yes, broadcasting this was a little underhand, but Brown is a big boy now with aides to help him. If between them they make such a schoolboy error in not un-miking him, whose fault is that?

You say that what he says in private is not in the public interest. Normally I would agree, but it is the hypocrisy which is the issue here. Had he shown irritation with her at the time his remarks would be much less significant.

This very reasonable lady was a life long Labour voter. She began by saying she was almost ashamed to be Labour now, but finished saying how well he had done with education and she would be voting for him again. I think the fact that GB quite obviously despises his own core voters (or their opinions) is very much in the public interest. Particularly the Labour voting public.

As Ronald Reagan once said ,with a sense of humour that the Left don’t have:The Right is right and the Left is wrong.

last time I looked. Barack Obama PRESIDENT
Joe the plumber ?

Someone let slip the term “cattle” WRT the common people. That is how they regard us.
We were enrolled into the EU eco facist parliament without consultation by this party.
That the majority want a vote on EU membership is disregarded in favour of MPs’ own interests.
Brown signed the Lisbon treaty that permits any change to the constitution without consultation as if that had already been enacted and effectively signed away sovereignty.
Wind farms were introduced without a cost benefit study and against the wishes of those they affect, end users and nearby residents. Their introduction has since been shown to produce more CO2 than they save, has involved huge expense and driven up the cost of living and energy poverty. The myopia has guaranteed we will see brown outs.
Biofuels have been shown to be environmentally damaging, produce more CO2 than they save and use 20 times as much water to produce compared to e.g. diesel. They were responsible for ~70% of the increase in food prices and deaths due to resultant starvation.
Green taxes, carbon credits, fuel and energy surcharges, green bureaucracy and gov’t funded NGOs are without justification as there is no credible evidence that CO2 at under 1 part per 500000 per year additions in any way, let alone significantly warm the climate. The benefits have been downplayed. Higher crop yields, expanding biomass with lower water consumption, bigger trees with faster growth.
Brown sold the gold that was the Bank of England guarantee for the issued promissory notes without consultation. When that was done to the dollar its value plunged.
The overwhelming majority of laws introduced that have increased business and personal tax, energy and essentials costs were been drawn up by the EC and rubber stamped by the EU’s EPP and eulab.
At the EU’s behest and eulab’s fawning obeisance the flood gates were opened to immigration.
Brown’s political career has been the biggest disaster for the UK since WWII in my opinion, perhaps bigger in that we didn’t lose sovereignty and national identity to the Nazis.
Legal jurisdiction is gradually being passed to the EU, a no jury system would you believe.
Perhaps intended lightheartedly as a jest but actually with sinister deeper meaning, a vote for any of the 3 big parties could be considered an act of treason in that each want deeper integration with the EU that is introducing federalisation that means loss of national status, government, legal jurisdiction and identity.
Without consultation of course.
Let’s hear it for the EU’s representatives that we get to choose.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

:) Thanks Janet.

Is JMW1 really Phil Kean in disguise? Seems to be making a dogmatic takeover for the blog.

Why can he not see that other people’s opinions have value too?

Privacy claim.

“Brown, apparently forgetting that he’d left a television microphone pinned to his chest, called 66-year-old Gillian Duffy a “bigoted woman” as he was being driven from a public meeting where she had needled him on immigration.”

The fault rest with the demonstrably incompetent PM demonstrating with one act of both his arrogance and his low brain cell count.

On the other hand, was it deliberate? Only if he was to be a masochist would he want to win this election.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/28/AR2010042801397.html

No, Delboy, not Phil Kean.
If you all believe it was justified, go ahead but you’d better require that all private conversations of all politicians are made public.
You can’t justify in the case of Brown and not in the case of Cameron or Clegg and you can’t just rely on chance so you’d better have them all miked up at all times with something akin to an electronic tag that they can’t take off or switch off, who knows what goodies you’ll be missing otherwise?
Either get it all in or keep out what does emerge. How else will you get balance?

Some facts about Joe the plumber.

1. He was a plumber, unemployed, and looking to start his own plumbing business.

2. His license was expired.

3. He was playing ball in the yard with his son when Obama APPROACHED HIM.

4. His point on tax policy was valid whether or not he was a plumber, hairdresser, licensed or not.

5. City government workers (Democrats) accessed his private information on government computers, to dig up dirt on him. VERY AGAINST THE LAW. Heads rolled as a consequence.

6. This whole liberal argument of him being a McCain plant is absurd. Unless McCain could prophesize that Obama was going to walk into Joe’s yard that day, that moment.

We need more of “Joe the Plumber”, (and this lady in UK) confronting our elitist Pols.

No jmw1 This was fully justified Gordon Brown or any of the others try to milk as much of the I am a man from the streets just like you and will use any sound film footage that shows them as such.If like Gordon they then mess it up showing their true colours they can.t complain.But it makes no difference Gordon is a dead duck now.

Interesting, isn’t it, how the NuLab minions insist on the sanctity of privacy, followed by the argument that we’re all human and make mistakes.

As with the CRU e-mails (’hacked -> stolen -> they’re human beings’) so now with Gord.

If it is one of the ‘cattle’, that is us, the electorate, then we have no right to privacy and can look forward to the police visiting us about hate crime.

So, in the immortal words: sauce -> goose -> gander

WIll 3:44 p.m.

Thank you for posting the facts. Something the Left also does not wish to do. Seminar poster that they are.

I would like to add that the heads only rolled so far, stopping short of Obama’s administration, who gave express instructions to the Democrats to dig up the dirt. And it was not only city government workers, there were state government workers involved.

Unfortunately, the fallout did not travel far enough up the snake to get the head.

“So, this is Utopia, is it? Well I beg your pardon I thought it was Hell.” — Max Beerbohm

Joe The Plumber did nothing to arrest Obama’s ascent, and the Tea Party lot have already demonstrated that they will vote for whatever the Republican Party Establishment chooses to serve them up.

At least over there you have a dust up over that type of behavior. Over here, President Obama implies that half the population is “bigoted” every other day and not a peep!
No problem with slamming your constituents in the US I guess!

Joe the Plumber changed no outcome in the U.S. election and probably did not change many minds. It was just a glimpse into Obama’s character that many people chose to ignore because there are more people in the cart than pushing it.

The author also pens “It sounds like confiscating the wealth from those who have earned it, in order to hand it out to those who do not deserve it…”

It “sounds like”???? IT IS EXACTLY THAT!!!!

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Truer words were never spoken. Under Barak Obama the American dream has become a nightmare for entrepreneurs like Joe the Plumber. Hope and change has morphed into the government saying, “What’s yours is mine. I’ll take it.” Gordon Brown is a socialist as well. I thought the United Kingdom threw off Keyenesian economics.

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jmw1

Please, back off. If you have something worth reading then it will be read. You don’t have to resort to insulting other contributors, it’s not big and it’s not clever.

Stand or fall by your own reasonings.

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jmw1 on Apr 29th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

“If you all believe it was justified, go ahead but you’d better require that all private conversations of all politicians are made public.”

You really don’t get it at all, do you?

Are you really as totally incapable of discerning the difference between the general and the particular as your posts would suggest?

@hy13

Do you realize that you are sneering at the white working class just like the Prime Minister? The point about Joe the Plumber was that he wasn’t thinking about today, or whether Obama’s tax policy would benefit him now. He was thinking about his dream for the future: to own his own business.