Cameroons say climate change deniers 'are old – and dying'

One never ceases to be amazed by the arrogance of the attitude – words fail one really… DAVID DAVIS FOR LEADER OF THE TORIES!

Let’s debate the science, not our age.

Pathetic, really.

“In five years time, no one will argue about [there being] a man-made contribution to climate change.”

Absolutely godammed right. AGW will have been laughed out of court by then: everyone will see the emperor has no clothes.

Crustyfoo.

I certainly hope you are right in that.
It is quite frightening the way that schoolteachers get at the minds of children with their propaganda. A few pictures of polar bears looking homeless and the kids are back home hectoring their parents about GW as though it is all the fault of human beings.

Another frightening thing I saw on the Beeb last night was a documentary alleging that certain groups in Georgia and Russia are doing their damndest to rehabilitate Stalin. Here again, the youngsters are the main target, because they have not first hand knowledge of Stalin’s era. Whoever said that the commies had gone away?

A rabid ageist then, that Tim Yeo!

And the way the elderly are treated in this country he’s right: most of those old people, Tory or not, who were taught how to think for themselves, will have been k…, ahem, made to die.

It never fails to surprise me that people like Yeo, who are all for choice (as long as its the ‘right’ one), fail to see that especially the young people show a herd mentality, driven by the MSM, of frightening proportions. They don’t think, they use the latest propaganda slogans.
And we should ‘celebrate’ this?

Mr Yeo shows the same mindset as all those who have jumped onto the AGW/cap’n trade bandwagon:
use neo-religious group-think to influence the mindless, and to protect their own vested interests.
Yes, I’m looking at you, Mr Gore – amongst a host of others.

@owdal80
“Whoever said that the commies had gone away?”

No, but Lefties usually do have to grow up. Unless they join the BBC of course.

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“In five years time, no one will argue about [there being] a man-made contribution to climate change.”

What? Will we have dismantled the Athropogenic Climate Disaster movement in 5 years?

That seems a little hopeful to me.

A decade or so ago I was ‘had’ in London by a seemingly upright elderly ‘gentleman’ in tweed who in his hour of need requested some money ‘on loan’ to get home after his car had broken down. Needless to say business card provided was a fake and never did see my money again! Very annoyed at the time but can see funny side now and makes for a good story. It sometimes is an advantage to be older and I won’t be had again! I suspect most people are probably feeling the same anger right now but in time they’ll get over this con.

It this ‘evidence’ was called upon in a court of law, and had been found to be less than reliable, tampered with and facts changed to fit a pre-supposed conclusion, what would happen?

We are told: “We only have x amount of weeks to save the world” – if it ‘really’ is that serious, then you would have thought that mutual collaboration for the good of the planet would override any kind of personal benefit derived from your ‘research’. But no, we find that everyone involved in perpetrating this death knell for common sense has been less than honest – from ‘scientists’ seemingly securing their tax payer funded grants, based on who can come up with the best Roland Emmerich doomsday scenario – the crazier the better, to the polititions who cannot be trusted with their own expense claims, let alone pretending to ‘save the planet’!

I was going to vote Conservative, I work in both the UK and Italy – if I were in Italy come election day, I would have made sure I’d have voted, no matter what. Now, I find that Cameron is just the flip side of the coin to Brown, weak, intersted in himself only and seems to have no problem in following a carbon tax route. He has lost my vote.

Where’s a Cato when you need one!

Cameron & co will be dead and buried in six months time when they lose the election as his conservative base all vote UKIP.

In 4.5 years time the UK will be bust, and then, finally, we will have the return of a Thatcherite government to put things right again.

“The dying gasps of the deniers will be put to bed.”

So by calling party members ‘deniers’ he associates them with ‘Holocuast Deniers’ which in most peoples minds links them with Nazis. Is this a clever strategy?

Tories label their own ‘Nazis’.

I wouldn’t worry toooo much. If it is anything like his cast-iron pledge to build 5,000 more prisons, it will be reversed next week !!!

Capitalist: “Cameron & co will be dead and buried in six months time”

And one hopes that they will take the demented one with them !!!

OK Mssrs Cameron and Yeo, you have convinced me, I won’t vote Conservative next time.

And better hope then Mr Yeo the other old farts have all died off before the election next year ir they might vote for UKIP.

Speaking as one of the younger farts of this dying breed, I do not dispute the evidence of climate change – there never has been climate stasis – and it is definitely warmer now than in the Little Ice Age when people skated on the Thames, but it is not evidence of cause.

All that money wasted on school fees: Cameron is a dimwit to believe it is. It is logical fallacy: post hoc ergo propter hoc.

The Cameroon wing of the Tory party needs to understand that older people tend to be more sceptical, and for good reason. They have had to listen to the expert predictions of any number of doom mongers over the years, and those doom mongers have invariably been proven wrong. Oil should have run out yonks ago, for example.
One reason why Lucky Dave is not miles ahead in the polls is that he and his advisers are too easily distracted by trendy issues that are nowhere near the top of most voters’ priorities, even if they are hot topics of conversation at Notting Hill Set and Hampstead Thinker soirees.
As for Tim Yeo, he will officially become an old age pensioner himself next March, so if I were he I would lay off patronising older people.

Has anyone noticed that most of the “climate scientists” who are sceptical about man made global warming are a bit long in the tooth?

I suppose that this could mean that they are going gaga – but I suspect that what it means is that you cannot now get a job as a “climate scientist” unless you subscribe to the AGW thesis. So much for scientific consensus!

I posted this on another blog, but it is worth repeating on this blog as it is more appropriate.

Here is an interesting Yahoo poll conducted this week in Oz.
People were asked to indicate how they would vote at the next general election (latest date for the Oz GE is Nov 2010):
(ETS is Emissions Trading Scheme. Liberal is right wing in Oz)

Labor: 30% 4743 votes
Liberal: (supporting ETS) 7% 1152 votes
Liberal: (no ETS) 43% 6834 votes
Nationals: (Country party 4% 687 votes
Greens: 7% 1146 votes
Independent: 4% 667 votes
Other: 5% 722 votes

It sends a bit of a message to our politicians about what internet users are thinking on the ETS. Surely it is not all old people who use the net?

Cameroon, be aware.

For the first time in 40 years I, an active Conservative supporter, am thinking of changing the way I vote.

@ Terry on Dec 3rd, 2009 at 12:15 pm

I think that would be the same for the UK, in the ‘real world’, bereft of spin and vocal minorities pretending that their views are the mainstream default.
I have voted Conservative since the late 80’s (labour before then, being young and very naive) – not this time though, not while Cameron is seemingly so out of touch.

He seems determined to drive those poll numbers down. In a choice between Vichy Dave and Vichy Gordon people can see little there is now between the two “main” parties.

David Davis is a more worthy leader. Cameron is happy to allow us to become part of a corrupt undemocratic European superstate without a referendum and is happy to campaign for crippling carbon taxes based on fraudulent science. Time he was replaced. Go for it Davis!

They really are determined to give people reasons not to vote for them, aren’t they? What a shower.

I should add that I’m not a long-standing Tory voter; I’ve voted for all three big parties in my time. And this time?

If you’d asked me before the referendum climb-down, I would have said, “definitely Conservative.” If you’d asked me before Yeo’s idiotic remarks, I would have said, “probably Conservative.” But now…

The great benefit for tory voters in voting UKIP or abstaining is that if the tories don’t get in, they will surely split – Cameron will be welcome to the statist pro-Copenhagen rump, while a pro-democracy anti-EU anti-statist party will emerge.

If the tories win under Cameron, it will be as bad for genuine conservatives as NuLab were for traditional Labour supporters. How have Labour ended up? A warmongering party propping up bankers and billionaires with money expropriated from the genuine working classes and their future generations. Not exactly a great result for them

I was going to vote for the Conservatives, right up until that pro-Copenhagen missive from Cameron. Yeo has sealed it for me – off to vote for UKIP now

The Tories do not want to win the election do they? In fact these statements are playing to the manipulators and controllers behind the scenes who provide the finance for the global warming movement and everything else.

The media, remember, is used to manipulate the chosen ones into power and to fool the people that it was them who put them there.

As the Majority of those Who use the ‘Interweb’ are ‘Young’, this statement is Disturbing on two levels, firstly it determines that People of a certain age are more prone to rail against the ‘Machine’, as it were. Secondly it suggests a ‘Lacking’ of this reality of situation from Yeo.
I would ask He remember that the ‘Young’ have little to lose, and plenty of time to ‘Lose’ it within, and as evidence suggests They are quite willing to Revolt what does He consider would be the likely result if ‘They’ decided that They had been lied to?
I can almost hear those pulling on the rope to lynch this particular ‘Liar’.

‘Yeo Heave Ho!’ indeed.

Cameroons should reflect on the tenor of the overwhelming majority of comments below Cameron’s own article

http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2009/11/27/the-copenhagen-summit-is-of-historic-importance/#comments

‘Old and dying’ are we? The Cameroons aren’t young, inexperienced, rather silly little whippersnappers then?

AGW is a fantasy threat to our way of life.

The Tories have made the huge mistake of believing there is a fantasy constituency who will respond – in a prescribed way – to that threat.

By insisting people vote in response to a fantasy (as if it were reality), the Tories are undermining and devaluing democracy.

The Tories have become lost in this fantasy (that is, they have lost touch with reality) and therefore the Party is also lost to the electorate.

Come the general election, voters will be faced with a choice between political parties who collude in propagating this fantasy (ie: the absurd and infantile assertion that somehow the world will end because of a trace gas), and parties who have the ability, maturity and respect for the democratic process to refuse to contaminate and undermine it with invented threats of ‘ghost’ events.

Any party showing the authority to stand above the incontinent fantasising that has so submerged other ‘politicians’ will get my VOTE. Currently that looks to be UKIP. The argument that my vote for this party is tactically ‘wasted’ is unimportant to me… I will vote with my conscience and with the intent of clearing out the charlatans that are currently destroying our modern democracy. I hope a majority of people do the same.

I was so appalled by Yeo’s comments that I have written to him, setting out in a polite and reasoned manner why referring to such dissenting (or “denying”) voices is unacceptably patronising.

If this is some sort of charm offensive, then one begins to doubt whether this party can displace the appalling Brown and his drear crew; even to achieve a hung parliament.

As a Party member and lifelong Conservative voter, it is dispiriting to think that the only apparent rationale for continuing to vote for them is to exclude Labour.

Perhaps I might encourage other “older core voters” like myself to explain, politely, to Mr. Yeo that our dying gasps still deserve a proper hearing?

I’m not old or dying, but I’m still going to vote Tory because the alternatives are dire.

Cameron forgets that a lot of people in their 30’s who grew up with Thatcher as PM look back on this as a golden age and are vociferously independant in thought and deed as a result.

Most conservative minded people that I know within this age group, including myself, are not enamoured by the Conservative Parties swing to the left. Serious concerns regarding Dave’s policies on AGW and Europe are not confined to the elderly.

Perhaps you might wish to feed back your views to the Blue Blog.
I just did, and I feel better for it. Heh heh
http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2009/11/27/the-copenhagen-summit-is-of-historic-importance/

Tim Yeo is a good reason not to vote Conservative. Nor is he a disinterested person, he is chairman of two companies which will benefit from the promotion of the scare of man-made global warming.

Re climate change my fear is that Copenhagen meeting will be side-tracked arguing over carbon trading instead of concentrating on esssential remedial actions to allow for the irreversible damage that has already occurred and which will result in flooding,further rises in sea level and storm surge.No politician in UK has had the courage to rally people to action because there will be winners and losers. London needs to look at the example of the good burghers of Rotterdam who have built their new sea defences from public subscription to 6 metres-to allow for the inevitability of the Greenland ice shelf melt and still be secure.The last North Sea storm surge in November 2007 saw London Thames barriers come within less than half a metre of being breached.20 percent of London was placed at risk of inundation.Rotterdam closed its gates and was safe.Hamburg, with no sea defences had 3 metres of sea water in the old fish market.
So what has been done for London for next time? Zero.So now our high rolling government are risking London being inundated for the Olympics and a multi-billion bill and huge economic disruption-never mind the even greater simultaneous risk to places such as Hull,whose only true long term recourse could be evacuation.Lets get real-the Poles are warming at double the rate of elsewhere on Earth;the glaciers are melting;the north east passage can now be navigated in summer, and soon we will have year-round NE and NW passages for ships.The causes are not simply man-made;solar flare activity is also culpable,and after a Maunder minimum, the sun woke up again at the end of September 2009 with a spectacular solar flare one million kilometres long.Neither man made nor solar activity will disappear.The cheapest man-made carbon emission action is population reduction and control.There are no cheap actions to overcome the irreversible damage from the sun.Not only do we urgently need huge new infrastructure programmes to prevent flooding we also need our power station transformers and energy systems to be urgently protected from the huge magnetic energy likely from the forthcoming solar flares.If we’re hit with a major flare event now it could take years to recover and our cities would be left without power because our government has done nothing.This is the reality.
We have had a bunch of wimps for politicians, we need to get rid of the ostriches and import some elephants.

Do we really have to hear more from Tim Yeo?

He’s prejudiced, out of touch and out of date. It’s high time he was put out to grass before he alienates any more voters.

I reiterate.

I will ( probably ) vote for the Mad Cameroon and his dodgy friends next year, anything to get rid of the awful NewLabs, but I will be holding my nose when I do so.

I suspect that many Tory voters will feel the same.

However, he can take this as a warning, once we’ve got rid of Barmy Broon and his mates, Cameroon is on probation. If he turns out to be Bliar Mark Two ( as (I suspect ) then it’s UKIP / BNP for me next time!

elizabeth47 on Dec 3rd, 2009 at 5:50 pm: You really should do some research. We have had less extreme weather in the last few years compared to previous centuries:There is a good weather history site at http://booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/wxevents.htm.

Here is a very small selection of flooding events in UK history and I have stopped at 1952 to avoid an even longer post. Capitalisation is in the original.

1099, 11th November, tidal flood, Thames Estuary and North Kent; thought to be responsible for the formation of the Goodwin Sands. Flooding also affected the Dutch coastal areas. “Thousands” of deaths reported. The 11th century saw a high number of disastrous floods along the English east coast.

1236 – Westminster Palace flooded due to heavy prolonged rain. High storm-surge tide in November drowned many people and a great number of cattle in Woolwich area. Sea surge in Norfolk destroyed flocks of sheep & herds of cattle, tore up trees and demolished houses. In one village alone about 100 people died.

1250 – Major North Sea/English Channel storm/flood. Winchelsea, 300 houses and some churches destroyed, caused great damage to adjacent parts of England, Holland & Flanders.

1287, Sea surge in East Anglia coastal areas in December. Houses destroyed, Hickling village, water overflowed the high altar of the priory by a foot or more. Some 500 people perished.

1555 Westminster flooded after great storm of wind and rain in September/October

1570 October & November: tidal flood affected Thames estuary as far as Erith and extending from the Humber to the Straits of Dover. Coastal changes; cities drowned on the continent. Great cities flooded, many killed.

1606 Flood: 2,000 died around the Severn Estuary, Tuesday, 20 January. Major flood damage in East Anglian towns and villages.

1725 April 25th: Rain fell in London on at least 60 out of 75 days between this date and the 8th July.

1809 January: “The Great Thames Flood” took away the central arch of Wallingford Bridge, part of the old Bridge at Wheatley, damaged or destroyed bridges downstream, at Bisham, Eton & Windsor. Flood damage also at Deptford & Lewisham and Windsor. Highest flood level on the upper River Thames recorded at Shillingford Wharf (47.25m above OD).

1821 November & December: The Thames flooded the church at Bisham, with a local bridge being washed away on the 26th December.

1829 July, severe flooding on tributaries of the River Aire & reservoir failure at Adel, Leeds. August: Disastrous floods of all rivers between Moray & Angus. Stone bridges and houses washed away in 5 or 6 counties, coastline altered at river mouths.

1852 November/December, Thames Valley from Vauxhall to Windsor a ‘vast lake’. Oxford standing in a ’sea of water’, the Cherwell and Isis several miles wide. North Kent railway, Medway valley and the marshes along the Thames one expanse of water for many miles. Parts of Chatham, Rochester and Stroud also flooded. At Guildford, Chertsey, Woking and Battersea, flood was several feet deep.

1866 (November) Hesketh Bank, Southport, sea flooded the village and large areas of farmland. Extensive flooding on the Aire & its tributaries at Keighley, Stockbridge & Leeds. At Apperley, the railway viaduct collapsed and floodwater reached several feet deep in houses at Castlefield Mill and Bingley. Kirkstall railway bridge overtopped, flooding Kirkstall Station & Kirkstall Road. Six people drowned.

1894 (November) Major Thames Valley Flood. Thames burst its banks and affected scores of towns/hamlets, many thousands driven from their homes.

1920 (May): THUNDERSTORMS in central and northern England, serious damage, and people were DROWNED in their homes: in Louth, Lincolnshire, 104mm of RAIN fell in two hours flooding the town. The River Lud rose by 6 feet in 10 minutes, with FLOODING, destruction of bridges, 23 people drowned.

1928 NORTH SEA SURGE/THAMES ESTUARY SEA FLOOD strong surge down the North Sea coast combined with a high tide in the Thames estuary, producing severe flooding in London as the Embankment was breached. The sea-level was some 6ft above predicted level. At least 14 people were trapped and drowned in their homes, thousands left homeless.

The Thames nearly a ‘mile wide’ at Maidenhead. Water supplies contaminated with raw sewage. Many thousands of properties FLOODED/DAMAGED, with up to 6000 in the Thames basin alone. A Commonwealth Disaster Fund was set up, to help relieve the food shortages.

1952 (15th/16th August): THE LYNMOUTH DISASTROUS FLOODS Approximately 135mm (out of a total of 228.6mm) in just 5 hours on Exmoor. All this RAIN swelled the rivers East and West Lyn, draining through Lynmouth before reaching the sea, 34 people killed, hundreds homeless, many houses demolished and cars carried away.

It shows the effect of the propaganda when any weather event, cooling as well as warming, is blamed on anthropogenic carbon dioxide. Just where were the Jumbo jets and 4×4’s in these earlier, very often worse, events?

So the sceptics will die off over five years? I’ll see Yeo’s prediction and bet that the Copenhagen climate junket will fold.

Al Gore has already cancelled.

@wmsticker – really? Is Algore not going to Copenhagen?